Easily the best game in the series. Why are FF fans so stupid?

>>385754467
It's a tie between 8 and 9 for me.
11 was pretty great also.

because FF fans are still trying to come to terms that they are the single worst RPG franchise next to Elder Scrolls

Vii is edgy reddit garbage. 9 is for patricians.

>>385754552
>>385754736
lmao 9 was literally the most boring FF since 1

>>385754643
Name a good JRPG franchise

>>385755182
Ni Katsuki Mouna

I really want to give this game a shot, but fuck the Junction System.

>>385755475
You know the game can do it automatically for you

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>>385754467
Because they unironically think 7 is the best.

>>385754467
VIII is great and gets a lot of undeserved hate. It's not the best, but it doesn't deserve its status as the FF whipping boy.

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>Combat is spamming Overdrives
>Drawing is a tedious and unfun mechanic
>Leveling up makes you weaker
>Every party member that isn't Squall or Rinoa is irrelevant after disc 1
>Story jumps off a cliff during disc 3
>Story is a closed time loop meaning everything you do is essentially pointless
Easily the worst game in the series, why are FF fans so contrarian?

Is it true that Squall's "whatever" is actually an awkward sort of apology in Japanese? Or is that just a meme?

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I want Squall's SeeD!

>>385756664
Poorly translated and leads to a bad impression of the character.

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>>385756853

>>385754467
Truly a masterpiece

>mfw when everything was downgraded in IX, even the characters were chibi shit again
No wonder it flopped

>>385755182
Shin Megami Tensei

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That's not XII

What was the significance of the hot dogs? They came up a quiet a few times in the plot. Are they like a representation of something deeper?

>>385755475
Really? What don't you like about the junction system?

>>385755182
Dragon Quest.
SMT

>>385754467 see >>385756224
Also because you faglings won't admit that you have a cast of characters somehow more boring than the cast of 7. Tifa and Barret excluded.

>>385757127
Literally who

>>385754803
>Being this wrong
I prefer full fantasy to magi-tech

>>385754467
It's not great but it's better than XV

>>385757127
He said "best" anon. Make your own thread for worst in series.

>>385757127
>not ZA

>>385754467
I agree. My second favourite is FFIV.

IX is the only one that really ended up boring me to death.

>>385754467
>another FF VIII episode
Summary of what the thread will be:
>draw system is shit
>characters are shit
>the twist is shit
>graphics are shit
>...whatever

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>>385758003
>wanting a pic of the version that has a demon wall with no demonsbane behind it
>wanting a pic of baby mode uncapped damage

Here is your trash version.

>>385754467
People with taste regularly acknowledge that it is indeed the best FF.

>>385758134
Exact opposite here.
Gave up on VIII after the first disc out of boredom but I love IX.
Vivi a best

>>385754467
I don't know. I've always thought it was retarded as fuck that anyone would think 8 is the best in the series too.

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>>385758446
Was it Quino?

>>385758002
But anon, OP posted the worst.

>>385758528
Yes
10/10

>>385758528
The PS1 FFs were truly the best.

>>385757127
XII is only second best, sorry.

>>385758003
>thinking the remake is better

>>385758646
Every time I've seen someone rate the FF's the last few years XII is pretty much consistently second best.
Is it really that good?

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>>385758741
>Is a casuazlied single player version of XI good

>>385758741
Yes.
Other good FFs that people tend to overlook are X-2 and XIII-LR.

>>385758741
Everyone thought it was shit when it came out, it's only recently that people changed their mind about what's "good" in a JRPG. XII is a great game that was ahead of its time.

>>385758847
I remember that. I felt like I was the only one who liked it when it first came out.

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>>385758528
Quina was great. I don't understand why people dislike her/him.

I also don't understand why people love Freya. She's almost as boring as Amarant, despite supposedly being a main character.

But I can think we can all agree that Eiko is the worst character from any FF, and the game would have been far better without her.

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>>385758846
>XIII
>Lightning Returns in particular

>>385758741
No. It's not an embarrassment to the series, but it's in the bottom 50%.

>>385758847
Yeah I just completely missed it since I never really enjoyed X much, only recently went back to the FF's I never played

>>385759001
>Freya as bad as Amarante
Whoa lad, lets not get too ahead of ourselves here, at least Freya actually tries to do shit

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>>385759001
>him/her
It's a him since Protect Girls doesn't work with Quina.

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>>385758576
>But anon, OP posted the worst.

OP did not post XV

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>>385756992

>>385758941
People here didn't start posting on how good it is on /v/ until about 5 years ago.

>>385758741
While I never got hooked into XII, I never really understood people who said it was the worst FF. Pretty much every aspect is 10/10. Just didn't get into it because I'm having a hard time getting into long games in general, honestly. But I fucking love the combat system in its entirety. I don't use gambits. Feels like cheating to me.

...

>>385759160
Anything from 13 on doesn't count.

>>385759167
Meant to reply to

>>385758847

>>385759167
Gambits are really only good for grinding, other than that it is cheating.

>>385759307
>using a core mechanic of the game is cheating

>>385759307
>Optimal play is cheating
You're openly admitting the combat is complete trash.

>>385754467
the only fun thing about FFVIII is the card game.

>>385759414
Honestly, if you just set up gambits and press forward, you're not doing much. It's just the game playing itself. Which is cool and all to let it grind by itself while you sleep, but kind of takes away the whole point of playing yourself. Might as well watch a playthrough on youtube at that point, you know? That's why I like how you can do it full-manual.

>>385759697
The game is designed around gambits, you can play without them as no Final Fantasy requires any sort of optimization unless you're doing challenge runs or various late game encounters but saying you can just ignore a key mechanic isn't a compelling argument for the combat.

>>385759075
Lightning Returns has a fantastic combat system and nice optional bosses, which are the interesting aspects of the Final Fantasy series.

>>385759001
Eiko had better summons and white magic than Garnet. If it wasn't for Eiko, Rusty and Beatrix might not have fallen in love!

>>385754467
Music is amazing, character design is breddy gud but the gameplay just scares me

>>385760063
>FF
>fantastic combat system

>>385758528
Quina never stood out for me other than being a comical character. His place in the story was to literally chase a frog thus finding the entrance to Fossil Roo. FF9 is my favorite but I find the story would have been unchanged if Quina or Amarant were removed

Say what you want about the mechanics and hiccups in the story, but ffviii is a once in a lifetime phenomenon. The setting and atmosphere is unlike anything else ever made. Its the videogame equivalent of that feeling you can't quite put your finger on. Like a wonderful dream you can barely remember but every once in awhile get a surge of every emotion you felt while in that dream. It is the embodiment of why the series even existed in the first place.

But that's just me I'm a comfyfag. 11/10 game

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>>385754467
the story is complete shit
you can cry spoony all day and meme all you want
is a fact

>>385758846
I really expected the worst of the worst when I finally got around to playing the XIII games and was quite presently surprised. It did take a while to get going, but I ended up having a blast playing each installment, and that initial dull time got shorter with each game. Lightning Returns was especially enjoyable and I really never expected XIII's cast to be my favorite FF cast by the end of all three games.

>>385759167
Same. Though I do like to waste time making "canon behavior" gambits. I can't wait to spread that autism across to jobs when XII comes to PC.

>>385754467
Cool story but a god awful/broken battle system. I couldn't imagine the obscene disappointment going from 7 to this back in the day

>>385762580
you dont know how disapointed i was going from Vi to the dumpster fire known as vii

>>385754803
Said nobody ever. You seem like the type who would defend 13 as underrated.

>>385760390
No way this is real

>>385756224
>leveling up makes you weaker

I still don't get how they beta tested that battle system and thought it was a good idea.

>>385762752
You don't know how disappointed I was as soon as I left Midgar in VII.

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>>385758846
>playing anything related to 13

Ignore this anon he is so very very wrong

>>385759001
Eiko was the best mage though. Better than garnet. I didn't care for the character though either.

>>385762809
It is real. Talk to the old man in Lindblum. A lot of NPCs in FF9 are overlooked and say some funny shit.

>>385760390
Final Fantasy IX is one of the few true 10/10s in gaming.
>But the battles take a long time!
Not an argument.

>>385763347
But it literally is an argument.

Except FFII was the best

>>385764000
As opposed to figuratively an argument?

>>385764768
Yes

>>385764672
.... whatever.

>>385762863
It's called level scaling and it's to prevent you having to grind on random battles to progress in the game

It's not like if you level up too much you're suddenly too weak and can't win fights. It's just that if you know how the leveling system works and abuse it, you can be really overpowered and break the game.

So that I'd say, play by the "rules" and level as you should and the game will be as difficult as it's supposed to be. Or you can be a cheesy fuck and avoid leveling and the game will be super easy, congratulations.

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>>385764672
I don't disagree with that, but why even bother with FFII when you could play SaGa?

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>>385767195
I find the setting of RPGs are extremely important and SaGa doesn't do it for me. I got suckered by Amano's art which is honestly one of the main reasons people buy final fantasy. I couldn't make myself play the gay ass magitek final fantasies either

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>>385767623
>I find the setting of RPGs are extremely important and SaGa doesn't do it for me
But SaGa's narrative is all about the settings and lore, I don't really get what you mean by that. SaGa's worlds are all really fleshed out and dynamic.

>>385767195
No game since The Last Remnant

>>385768419
Is it bad I like SaGa art more than FF, who is the main artist for the games anyways?

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VIII was shit and nonsense. Laguna was the only good thing about it.

>>385758617
he understands

>>385769368
Laguna and that one scene with Gilgamesh.

>>385769526
>and that one scene with Gilgamesh.

That shit was the fucking best.

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>>385769106
>No game since The Last Remnant
>What is Scarlet Grace
>>385769191
Tomomi Kobayashi.
She also does illustrations or short works for other games, she also did a short album for FFVII back in the days.

>>385763347
Most FF battles feel long and tedious in their own way but I like that FF9 is probably the comfiest

>>385769791
>>What is Scarlet Grace

Never being released in English.

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>>385769901
>Not knowing japanese
You only have yourself to blame.

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>>385769797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKGnfiwR2E

>>385769791
>>What is Scarlet Grace
a shit game with low production values

Because we don't have shit taste like you.

>broken draw system
>everything about junctioning
>retarded story
>retarded characters
Only really good thing about it was the OST.

>>385770487
>a shit game
What's shit about the game?

>>385770487
>with low production values

Technically that describes most SaGa games.

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>>385770649
Wrong.

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>>385770649
SaGa wasn't really low production outside of games like Frontier and Scarlet Grace, which are mid budget games, all the rest has high production values, it's just that instead of pumping out state of the art 3D is focused on other things like music, gameplay and content, and even most 2D games were very good for their time, Unlimited looks still very good for a nearly two decade old game, the mechanical complexity for the game is also high.

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>>385754467

Final Fantasy VIII has the best absolute everything EXCEPT for the fucking enemy leveling.

I keep myself from replaying it only because of that shitty system.

Whoever thought it was a good idea deserves a well placed anal cancer.

>>385754803
agreed, but at least in 1 you can beat it in a night with fast forward and try shit like all white mages.

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obligatory

>>385771272
I think the worst is Romancing SaGa 1 which reuses assets from FFIV and FFV.

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I'm a hardcore fan with FF8, so many times I would even try to escape reality with lucid dreaming, I would be in Balamb Garden where I would often train with Zell in the training center and help Selphie with the Garden Festival, but one day as I was talking to Selphie, we went to my dormitory for a private talk. She immediately said, "You know you could live with us forever.." I gave her a confused look and she continued, "We understand that you live on earth and you REALLY wish to live here". I then said "How..How did you know?" She then giggled and said "Because we've been watching you, silly!"

This was a dream come true and I almost cried right there. She then said, "I talked with Headmaster Cid and he agreed that you would be PERFECT for SeeD, you just have to do...one thing". She then held my hand and looked deep into my eyes and said "...You have to kill yourself for the transfer to work correctly." I then gave her some questions, "How long do I have before the deal expires?" She then said "Cid said 3 months.." I added by saying "What's the most painless way?..." She giggled again, "Suicide will require pain buuut...if you want it quick...Get a gun and a nice shot to the head works.

I then agreed and she gave me a kiss on the forehead, "I know this will be tough but once it's over and done, you'll get to live here!" I then woke up and this was last week and i purchased a gun. I might actually kill myself because that dream just felt too real to be fake and my life isn't doing so grand.

>>385758847
From what I understand FF12 was FF11 offline

>>385760987
I hated the jail

It was just a long vertical tube

>>385772043
FF12 never was online.

>>385771559
>which reuses assets from FFIV and FFV.
Been a while since I played the SNES version but if you're referring to the character sprites it's just that the artist is the very same, IIRC Mieko Hoshino, she also did the character sprites for 2, which are curiously completely different in style to anything she did before.

>>385770840
One of these days I will finish SaGa Frontier 2...

>>385771803

You can still ive with them forever if you take some cyanide and then lucid dream about i.

What are you waiting for, anon, just do it, happiness awaits you.

>>385772174
Followed by Garden becoming mobile and moving like it was stuck in molasses. Jesus the game was a slog more often than not.

>>385772219
That is to say FF12 took ideas from FF11

Obviously it's offline...

Differing opinions does not make one stupid.

The bad Final Fantasy is Type-0.

>>385761501
The initial plot is pretty good with the child soldier schools

>>385773797
The sad part is, that's probably Tabata's best game.

>>385773873
VIII wastes its concepts so fucking hard its actually kinda astounding to behold. It disappears up its own ass with melodrama.

13saga > the rest

>Best graphics
>Best combat
>Best OST
>Best artstyle
>Best cast

Keep staying contrarian though just so you can fit in.

>>385774457
That's pretty much the case for nearly every FF, depending on who you ask.

>FFIV wastes its concepts so fucking hard its actually kinda astounding to behold. It disappears up its own ass with melodrama.
Quite spot on desu.

>FFVI wastes its concepts so fucking hard its actually kinda astounding to behold. It disappears up its own ass with melodrama.
I think the melodrama served it in the end.

>FFVII wastes its concepts so fucking hard its actually kinda astounding to behold. It disappears up its own ass with melodrama.
Agreed. The whole bit with Cloud is nothing but melodrama.

>FFIX wastes its concepts so fucking hard its actually kinda astounding to behold. It disappears up its own ass with melodrama.
See VI.

>FFX wastes its concepts so fucking hard its actually kinda astounding to behold. It disappears up its own ass with melodrama.
Yep. The romance was unnecessary.

>>385754467

As a FF IX fag i disagree but VIII is pretty good. The first 2 discs where fucking amazing and the story is pretty good too.

To think there is still people out there that don´t get it and think Ultimecia is Rinoa...

>>385754467
Plot is a mess.
Battle system and growth system are incredibly broken, difficulty is a joke.
Most of the characters suck.
World map is lifeless and mundane.
Not the worst game ever made but easily the worst PS1 Final Fantasy.

VII > IX > VIII

>>385774634
I never really got that impression with the other entries, despite all the memes. VIII tries just so hard to be "operatic" and fails spectacularly at every turn. Even with a literal opera in VI, and the extravagance of Kefka and Sephiroth, they still don't really come close to the absurd nonsense surrounding the Sorceresses. And the "love triangle" between Squall, Rinoa and Seifer was some of the worst character drama in the entire series.

>>385760851
Did I fucking stutter?

>>385762771
M8, fans of 9 are the ones more likely to enjoy 13 since 9 is where the super linear design style began.

>>385775814
FF's combat systems are only barely better than DQ's, they're the bottom of the barrel of what RPGs can offer you, saying that they're fantastic in any way is laughable.
But you're right about LR, it has a decent combat system, because it plays like a Tri-Ace game.

>>385756664
It's a meme started by someone who doesn't understand Japanese very well. They honestly think it's apology. It's not.
It's more like cartoon Links 'well EXCUUUUSE me, Princess!'. It's an 'apology' dripping with sarcasm. It's brushing an issue off like it's not important. It's not far from 'whatever'.

>>385775532
IX > VII > heat death of the universe > VIII
Reminder IX is Sakaguchi's favorite.

>>385772043
You understand wrong.

>>385760987
>>385771803

This is a dangerous game...

>>385754467
VIII was breddy gud. Rinoa and Squall are cute, but the story was kind of shit. I think 7 and 15 are still better though. But it's far from being the worst. That'd be 13.

>>385775058
>Cloud's melodrama ruined the game
>Terra's melodrama made the game a masterpiece 10/10

>>385776750
>VIII was breddy gud
>15 was better
That's a contradiction.

FF8 was f8.

>>385759160
>XV
>the worst
I bet you're a 13 shitter.

>>385759239
Yes it does.

>>385776438
I'm not saying they are the same

The way to encounter enemies and battle is more similar than other FF>>385776438

>>385776863
It's not though. I liked XV's characters more and the story, as unfinished as it was, was very simple without being bland or boring. It also produced best waifu in the world: Ignis.

X was the best.
This triggers the meme fags though

>>385774530
>Best graphics
Not anymore now that XV is a thing.

>Best combat
You could make an argument for Lightning Returns, which was a lot of fun even though it was also a steaming pile of poo-poo. The rest were mediocre because they took so much control of the action away from you. It was good in concept, a snorefest in execution.

>Best OST
Love it or hate it. Had some good tracks, but overall it was "hate it" for me. Pretty creative either way but nothing that can hold a candle to X's soundtrack.

>Best artstyle
It was so esterile and lifeless and it only got worse and worse with the rehashed concepts and aesthetics from previous games. Other than the tower before Oerba, Pulse's locations were boring as shit and you never got to see anything terribly interesting in Cocoon other than the amusement park and the final level of the game. No matter how much potential the artstyle had, it didn't shine through.

>Best cast
Now you are just baiting, FF2 and 3 had better cast than this hot flamming garbage.

>>385777008
Overall best for sure.
Its just that everyone has their own subset of things they like about FF and thus prefer the games that excell at those things.

My favorite is XII for example.

>>385777636
>Liking X's OST but not liking XIII's
Doesn't even make sense same composer for XIII was involved in over half of X's and it sounds the same.

Squall is dead

>>385777854
>It sounds the same
No way man. X sounds nothing like XIII.
And if it did, it'd mean XIII's soundtrack was nothing but an imitation of X's.

If there's something genuinely good about XIII's score is that it sounds completely new, different from all of its predecessors, and I've played 8 of the games AND I am a music junkie so I like to think I'm able of a pretty reliable judgement.

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>>385759001
Freya was cool, I just feel like her story was dropped halfway through it. Would have helped if we at least found out what happed to Sir Forgetful.

>>385754467
I don't get it.
You get the worst game in the series, then you just post an image of it but call it the best. What do you want? The fuck are you trying to accomplish?

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>>385778094
God that website was bad.

>>385778392
>X sounds nothing like XIII.
Are you genuinely retarded?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b2NWBVbzD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-xPudQ4yeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5EH1KsoCE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDdDaZuMWko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdsMe2fHZpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PjUvwHBs4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xaUdbEgP1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTxqsTfDgC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBoBO0YMBys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF-XlIS3keY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9E8IIBAd_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjrWjptj9Xc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lZC8IUj-cw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xRCjjiTR7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2v_qbBt4sc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AymdefgOZeM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxJE6SSX-aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kkz6JwE3xE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1AjTdQ2OeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h03yRFpbsk0

>I am a music junkie
Obviously not.

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>>385759001
I still find it amusing that Lani had a more fulfilling character arc than Amarant did.

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>>385754467
The games before and after the one you posted were superior

I know it's super popular to hate this game, but, why exactly?

Better localization than FF7, which was steaming hot trash. Better models. Cooler overworld with more to do.

Honestly, I feel like if they hadn't pulled the whole "we were orphans but forgot lulz" thing people wouldn't even really give the story shit.

People would still cry about the draw system I guess, but I genuinely don't understand what's so bad about it. Grinding materia was way more tedious, and even then that was way less difficult than grinding Esper's perfectly so that everyone got the right stat-ups at the right time.

>>385779385
Not XIII, though

>>385778885
In what reality do those sound anything alike?

>>385780403
The reality where a composer's work sounds similar to his other works. It's obvious you're just baiting at this point though.

>>385780530
They don't, though.

>>385779581
The game is about destiny. Once you understand that and ljnk it to the gf memory loss it's really good

>>385754467
It had the following high points

>art direction
>music
>summons

It had these strikes against it

>bad cast
>draw/junction system
>broke as fuck balance
>terrible plot/writing
>awful textures for a ps1 title
>stol xenogears' budget and XG still turned out the better game
>whatever...
>rinoa

official meme opinion of /v/

>ff1 is bad
>ff2 is good you just don't get it
>ff3 is good
>ff4 is bad
>ff5 is goat
>ff6 is worse than 7
>ff7 is better than 6
>ff8 is good
>ff9 is good
>ff10 is bad
>ff10-2 is bad
>ff11 is good
>ff12 is bad
>ff13 is bad
>ff13-2 is bad
>ff13lr is bad
>ff14 is good
>ff15 is bad (the only one correct)

>>385782050
>>ff2 is good you just don't get it
That's absolutely correct.

>>385782096
drink bleach

>>385782167
You're only proving me right.

>>385782293
I don't see your argument so there's no way to prove yourself right.

>>385776016
Wrong on all counts

>>385782343
You keep proving me right, you just don't get the game so you bitch about it on 4chan because it's what the cool boys do.

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>tend to love FF designs
>6 sounds pretty dope
>hate turn based combat
I really want to like Final Fantasy, but hitting a nigga with a sword just to have some text float out of them saying "miss" and taking turns to fight someone activates my autism like no other

>>385782096
Are you one of those people on /v/ who pretend to have played ff1 and 2 just like persona 1 and 2? tryhard pseud.

>>385782501
>terrible story
>characters are all bland
>horrific leveling system hur dur beat up your team to LV
>magic and weapons are useless because your bare fists out damage everything in the game
the only good weapon is the bloodsword and it's only useful vs the end boss
>enemy rooms
>all dungeons have terrible design and half of them are just big circles
>has the smallest variety of enemies in the franchise with the most color swaps
>most bosses just get recycled to normal enemies later and are impossible to run from if encountered
>escape rate is abysmal even for an ff title
>forgettable ost

your turn fuccboi

>>385754467
It definitely has its faults but people who swear it's one of the worst games ever are ridiculous and need to play more bad games.

2, 8, and 15 are the holy trinity of bad ff games, if you disagree your are underage.

>>385754467
What mods should I get for the PC version? I have improved FMV and the music mod. Anything else worth using?

>>385756224
>Combat is spamming Overdrives
Combat in most FF's is worse than this.

>Drawing is a tedious and unfun mechanic
Refine. Only retards draw.

>Leveling up makes you weaker
No it doesn't. Most bosses in the game have a level cap and most enemies don't get much stronger after a certain level.

Higher level enemies also drop far better loot. Only a shitter would complain about this.

>Every party member that isn't Squall or Rinoa is irrelevant after disc 1
No.

>Story jumps off a cliff during disc 3
They set it up decently enough. This is entirely a subjective opinion.

>Story is a closed time loop meaning everything you do is essentially pointless
Thank god. This is why we never had to get shit like FFVIII: Dirge of Cerberus May Cry or FFVIII-2.

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>>385782540
I played both 1 and 2 in all of their versions, and I also played both P1 and P2.
FFII is a good game and one of the most important in the series and for Square, since it was the one that prompted a lot of people to not only apply for a place in the company, but to develop for consoles too.
>>385782775
>>terrible story
Shitty opinion
>>characters are all bland
Shitty opinion
>>horrific leveling system hur dur beat up your team to LV
Just as I thought, you don't get the game, what a surprise. And that levelling system is the best thing that happened to the franchise, especially considering it predated TES by years.
>>magic and weapons are useless
Except Blood Swords override everything in the last dungeon and you can instakill everything with Frog, not to mention spells like Blink and Berserk being staples, and good luck fighting adamantoises with no blizzard spells, or Bombs.
>>enemy rooms
Nothing wrong with those, Wizardry did the same.
>>has the smallest variety of enemies in the franchise with the most color swaps
And it introduced most of the iconic monsters and designs too.
>>most bosses just get recycled to normal enemies later
And? It was absolutely normal back then.
>>escape rate is abysmal even for an ff title
>Needing to escape in a FF game
>>forgettable ost
Shitty opinion

Try harder next time son.

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>>385754467

>>385783390
>YOU DON'T GET IT! ;_;

under
age

>>385783390
>II is good
>calls others tryhards

haha okay anon you card you.

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Redpill me on FF8. What makes this game good?

The junction system confused me.

>>385783540
I'm not the one retarded enough to not understand a simple levelling system in a game for children.
But please, go ahead and waste hours of your life hitting yourself when I complete the game in half the time while never doing that.
>>385783636
Not an argument.

>>385782775
>horrific leveling system hur dur beat up your team to LV
It was far ahead of its time. I actually enjoyed it.
>bosses become normals
What is every RPG for 100$ Trebeck.
>shit escape rates
Theres people who actually run in RPGs, no wonder youre bad at video games.

>>385782894
13 is FAR worse than 8.

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>>385783824
>TFW II has its own XV-kun

>>385783883
Nice meme

>>385757286
Man of exquisite taste.

>>385783883
meme opinion. 13 is the most misunderstood game in the series.

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>>385784024
I know you are but what am I?

>>385783903
I never thought I'd see the day, official name is II-kun now?

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>>385783883
>>385784024
>>385784092
>>385784113
II and XV are the only bad games, anyone who disagrees is a brainlet.

>>385783903
Calm down son, I'm no barry.
I'm not denying FFII had its fair share of problems, the awful encounter rate or the blood swords, not to mention the temporary party members that end up just wasting your fourth slot, let alone how easy it is to grind money or the immense amounts of bugs and oversights in the games, including getting level up checks by attacking your own party members, these are all problems.
I'm just saying it's nowhere near as bad as the age old internet memes propagated by retarded youtubers make it out to be, especially compared to other games in the series.

>>385784209
But II wasn't a bad game, it just had a very weird progression system. One later used in Koudelka by a completely different company, for some God unknown reason.

>>385784395
II is a bad game though, its systems are completely ass backwards. It gave birth to the SaGa games, which are pretty good but I don't understand how you can say from a game design point of view that II is good.

>>385784395
>for some God unknown reason.
The micromanagement nurturing system was popularized by SaGa games, which FFII is basically a very rough draft of, SaGa kickstarted the whole idea of having character behaviour reflect itself into character growth, through either stats or proficiencies in weapons of magic, Koudelka was one of the many games, like Grandia or Traverse, that adopted SaGa's basic growth system.
SaGa games aren't popular in the west, but in Japan they are cult stuff that influenced tons of devs, and subsequently game series.

>>385784209
Only XIII's bad

>>385785141
>look mah i said 13 is bad i'm fitting in with /v/! :D

>>385754467
Literally the worst game in the series since II, and I've played all the bad ones

>>385785556
>fitting in on an anonymous imageboard
>by posting an opinion that isn't even exclusive or original to /v/

wew

>>385785556
Same could be said for the II hate and basically any opinion ever.
You either fit in or you're a contrarian, there's no way to have a proper discussion in this place because of cunts like you.

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>>385754467
I honestly thought FF10 was better in every way, including the love story. Yeah it was still cheesy and stupid, but at least the chemistry was somewhat believable and the characters were likable, or at the very least better than Squall "I'm so edgy I wear all-black leather with 6 belts and act like I want to kill myself 24/7" Leonhart.

>>385785818
no 2 is another story entirely if you praise it you're trying to be a special snowflake. literally nobody likes it. 13 has a split of like/dislike so does 8.

15 is all hate unless you're XV-kun

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>>385785818
Very well said.

>>385759001
Pretty much every character outside the main four were irrelevant tack-ons with no depth or development.

>>385785938
>literally nobody likes it
Says nobody ever.

>>385785938
the verdict on 13 is nowhere near split. people who like it are in the special snowflake category.

don't care what you think is the best but
ff9 is the worst

>>385785818
>>385785956
>replying to yourself

what's sucking your own dick taste like anon?

>>385785938
And 13 is all hate too unless you're a Lightning waifufag.

>>385755182
Suikoden

>>385785556
>Y-y-y--y-y-y-you're just memeing! You don't really have a valid opinion!

>>385772469
Do it.

The first time I played SF2 I got to the last level, by bullshit luck, and was totally outclassed by everything.
When I played like 2 years ago I absolutely tore through it.
My tips to you:

>don't be afraid to break shit
>don't be afraid to spam big costly attacks
>know that you can regen WP & JP by just defending a round

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>>385786046
>>385786104
>Game that sold millions and reviewed positively is mostly disliked

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Leave Squall to me.

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>>385782050
>ff2 good
>ff4 bad

Fuck off.

>>385754467
8 was a piece of shit, stop your delusions

>>385786240
>if it sold well, it must be good

>>385786238
>>don't be afraid to break shit
It's really hard to convince people that breaking weapons is actually good in SF2.
Then again, explaining all things like Chip circulation and economy, special forging and other stuff like channelling through quells or fields instead of your weapons is a bit overwhelming.

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>>385754467

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>>385754467
If FF8 were good, I would have been able to ditch Rinoa and have Fujin and Rajin join my party.

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>>385782530
You rarely ever fucking miss in FF6 you big whiny baby, this isn't Darkest Dungeon with retarded low accuracy and enemies with retardedly high dodge.

Ironically the most realistic RPG I've ever encountered, that was designed by some NASA scientist and his math wizard buddy, used turn base combat- in that it literally counted for the starting position of your arm, the angle of your swing, the location that you aimed for verus the location that you hit. It would measure the actual time to perform this maneuver and then the recovery time and set it on a time-line, which then determined your actual turns.

tl;dr according to NASA your autism is wrong

>>385786563
Without rinoa, squall would be dead

8 and 10 have a really good soundtrack and are my favorites. 8 and 10's piano collection soundtrack are really good also. Just look at that cover art for 8 though god damn.

FFVIII is terrible and the only redeeming feature is the OST. It's an unfinished mess with terrible writing and boring poorly thought out mechanics. It's a directionless garbage heap that wasn't helped by coming out right after the most acclaimed game in the series, but it doesn't stand up well even on its own. I've tried to play it twice now and the last time I quit as soon as I got to the muscle sorceress Borg cube because of how trite and uninspired everything is. The scene of Squall and Rinoa in space was especially horrible.

>Rinoa has the best STR gain

Are you for fucking real

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>>385786727
It would be worth it be away from her.

>>385786865
It's pointless anyway, since all characters can max any of their stats through junction effortlessly.

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>>385786539
Learning to conserve your resources is important, and if you don't want to make your time investment a waste I guess its forgivable if you follow a guide to not miss any infinite-use quells.

But also whats important is using the game's story as a grinding period to make some of the strongest and rarest things in the game.

>>385786958
>Play cards for twenty minutes
>One hit everything in the game up through disc 3

>People will unironically defend this

>>385762863
if you play the game like a normal human bean, its just the right amount of difficulty

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>>385786878

>>385787027
>implying beginners would play the card game
>implying beginners won't just get stuck at the Tower boss

>>385754467

some parts are the game are truelly 10/10 which is why it's even sadder that the other parts of the game drag it down.

The game could have surpassed FF7. Maybe it needed more development time.

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>>385785894
I actually like X too even with the corny dialogue. It has a certain charm to it.

>>385770474
VIII also has a comfy ass soundtrack, Nobuo Uematsu is a god-tier composer who shouldn't be stuck composing indie-shits like Oceanhorn

>>385787126
>Elvoret
>Hard
As long as you have Double you can just mash attack and use Selphie to heal.

>>385786985
>I guess its forgivable if you follow a guide to not miss any infinite-use quells.
I don't think any Quell bar the Beast Lance in the Ice Megalith is is easy to miss though, many of those are in chests in plain sight or are scripted drops by bosses.
It is important to know when you should take your time to fight though, and that is the main reason you can end up with a really rough game file, but again, you just need to look at the map and see when you can go around and do so.
>>385787027
That's not even the worst design decision in the game, playing cards is a nice way to get stronger, the problem is that junctioning is simply too easy to break even if you don't play cards, the fact that magazines are utterly useless and a waste of money, or that GFs and all magic bar Aura is a waste of time is much, much worse.
Still, FF has a lot of terrible design choices.

>>385787338
>implying
Bullshit, the guy is the true casual filter

>>385787391
Haste is really good too, with Haste and Aura you can just have everyone spam Overdrives the entire game. Also Doomtrain is a god tier GF for his ailments.

>>385786303
re-read the first line of that post.

>>385787495
>with Haste and Aura you can just have everyone spam Overdrives the entire game.
Why bother when Quistis with Might Guard puts Shell, Protect, Float, Haste and Aura on your entire party in one turn?

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>>385787542
I didn't even care, I just wanted to post FF4 pics

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>>385787107

>>385787391
If he explores everywhere, sure.
Though the Beowulf is also easily missable

>>385782050
>opinion of /v/
>ff8 is good

Oh, you must be new here.

>>385782050
FF4 was extremely bland and had a dumb as fuck story with fake deaths out the ass. I'll take 9 over it any day of the week.

>>385787664
I forgot she had that, can't you also cheese most of the game with Degenerator on her?

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>>385787781
>Though the Beowulf is also easily missable
You're right, I forgot about that sword, that's pretty much the same as the lance in the Ice Megalith, pretty great to have on Ginny too.
>>385787962
Degenerator doesn't work on bosses, but yeah, Quistis is basically the sole reason why magic is worthless in FFVIII, she can do anything your entire magic skillset or GF can, but better.

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>>385787947
as long as bad opinions exist in this world, I can never truly die!

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>>385787769

>>385782050
>>ff6 is worse than 7
>>ff7 is better than 6

Literally nobody thinks this. The overwhelming consensus has always been that 6 > 7

>>385754467
I actually just recently started VIII. Won't lie, the draw mechanic seems pretty dumb.

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Leave Jenova to me.

>>385788329
FFVIII is better enjoyed when you know the workarounds, sadly. You don't know it yet but drawing isn't a necessity.

My first 2 runs back then I did with full leveling / drawing / GF boosting and I'm happy I stopped doing that because it's so tedious. Although there's some elements of the game I love too much to dump if there are existing workarounds.

>>385788329
>the draw mechanic seems pretty dumb.
Draw could have been an amazing mechanic, but its handled terribly.
You could have made it so Draw drained magic from enemies, so they couldn't cast shit, or even effectively debuff them if enemies actually had access to junction, you could have made Draw have some potential to back fire and cast the spell you drew on a random target and so many more things, instead it's just a shitty steal command.

It was my favorite too anon. I think it might just be a nostalgia thing for me though, because I played 8 before 7.

>>385788567
>Draw could have been an amazing mechanic, but its handled terribly.
Thankfully XV fixed it.

>>385788329
Just beat the game myself. All you need to know is to draw on bosses for GFs, otherwise you can ignore it entirely. Use Quetzatol to get the card skill and the card mod skill, and you can turn enemies into items, which turn items into spells. Cottages give you the strongest healing in the game and eventually you'll get cards that give you the best skills to junction besides the best spell

>>385754467
the game would be better if Seifer didnt exist, worst character

also quistis should have had better screentime

>>385788894
Seifer was the best character, it's Rinoa who should have been erased,

farm fish fins, junction water to squall,s attack, keep him in the yellow, get no-encounter from Diablo and spam Renzo for bosses

now just enjoy the tip top tier OST and the best final boss of the series.

>>385789005
Seifer is a both figuratively and literaly a tool, it's so sad that ppl cling to this character. I guess his overal design is better than squall to the eyes

Well guys, despite your different opinions on FFVIII overall, we can all agree it has the best soundtrack of all the FF games, right?

>>385789306
Undeniable truth.

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>>385754467
>best game in the series
You posted the wrong cover, here I'll fix it for you.

>Best FF game
>Not Final Fantasy Record Keeper

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>>385789667
one day anon, one day this board will recognize it as the best in the series

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>>385789784
>Not World of Final Fantasy

>>385789005
>>385788894
Seifer was shit because
>starts off as your school rival
>awww yiss this gun' be good
>turns to the dark side
>appears in first boss fight
>OH fuck yes
>see him again later and he's utterly pathetic
>keeps showing up claiming he's gunna do X and Y
>doesn't seem to do really anything other than worship some emo MILF
>just kind of disappears after you kick his ass again in disc 3
I think FF8 shouldve started a bit earlier in the timeline than the end of school/exams/graduation. Had they expanded on the seifer/squall rivalry thing in school for a while, meanwhile hot blonde teacher keeps hitting on you and Magic Mercenary School Slice of life with combat then Seifer would've been less pathetic really.
He's like a BBEG that just stops being relevant at some point.

>>385754467
Fuck off, Kitase.

>>385788252
Wrong. 7>6. 7 is just the better game

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>>385791096
>game

>>385791131
>13 hours of scenes
>compared to 40+ of GAMEPLAY
Are you retarded?

>>385791932
If the game is so good it shouldn't need to shower you with cutscenes and exposition.

>>385792103
A good game can have a meaty story and exposition. Stop trying to be contrarian about what defines a game like that, especially one made long before the "movie game" meme.

>>385792103
If the game was so bad it might've been a little less "most famous JRPG in history," you can go now, ACfag.

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>>385792248
If the game was so good it wouldn't need to constantly take control away from the player with cinematic experiences.

>>385792472
It only took control away at times the players expected it to. Stop trying to act like it's fucking MGS4 where it couldn't decide if the scenes were short or long enough for you to jerk off 3 times before they finished.

>>385754467
>Easily the most breakable game in the series

Fixed that for you famalamadingdong.
That is the problem that some fans have with the game:
>The draw system makes spells linked to stats, meaning you typically have to avoid linking your good spells for fear that you might start weakening the stat from using the spell.
>I love triple triad, but refining items from cards made the game too easy to break.
>Enemies scaling based on your level was also a rather dumb idea. Its because you typically want to feel strengthened and empowered when you gain levels, but here, its a detriment and a punishment that makes the game harder. When you level up, your characters stats go up by a little, and when a monster's level goes up due to this, it typically goes from having one small damage move, to a area of effect party attack that inflicts status effects at the same time. The scaling is in level only, not equal.

These are the faults people complain about. For myself however, its only the third worst final fantasy, two others are far worse then it.

>>385783005
>Refine

Even more tedious then drawing spells is having to play triple triad to get cards to refine spells.

>>385754467
VIII was my first FF so I have a lot of fondness for it but you've got to admit it's got some questionable gameplay design choices, and the entire story shits the bed on disc 3. Also Squall and Rinoa have quite possibly the worst developed romance I've ever encountered in vidya. The only thing that makes it redeemable is that theory that Rinoa subconsciously uses her new sorceress powers to make Squall fall in love with her.

Hands down the best setting and music though.

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>the best FF game is a low budget rhythm game

>>385794735
>low budget

>>385793308
Nah man it happens organically, I ignored triad my last playthrough and with the cards I had was able to get 99 in every stat by junctioning the spells. Refine is really easy and cards are found everywhere.

>>385795038

Uh yeah, it is. Of course anything seems low budget compared to a main series FF game. Square should really figure out that they can't keep spending 100+ million dollars to make a FF game. It's not sustainable in the long term. A couple more FFXV and FFXIV 1.0s and they'll be dead. By all accounts they should be dead now. Enix and Edios bailed them out.

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We've already figured this out though

>>385759840
I'm just saying that if you gambit your way through the whole game, you might as well just watch it. Becomes worse than XIII's "press forward and mash X", since all you need to do is pressing forward and nothing else.

>>385795880
I hate to break it to you but the series has always been mash X.

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>>385795374
>XI bad
>XII deeply flawed
>VIII good
>V only decent
>missing a shit ton of spin-offs and distantly related games

4/10
MMO combat does not objectively make something bad, also get some better taste and play/include more of the franchise.

The Final Fantasy fanbase is the worst in gaming only behind Smash and LoL.

>>385797075
>What is the Metroid fanbase
>What is the DMC fanbase
>What is the Souls fanbase
FF does have a cancerous fanbase but there are many worse ones.

>>385787391
>all magic bar Aura is a waste of time
Meltdown is still the strongest magic in the game. Vit-0 is the most devastating debuff in a final fantasy game ever and it can be applied to bosses.

385797075 (You)

>>385797075
>Metroid
>Mario
>Souls
>Zelda
>Any fucking Assfaggot franchise
Nice try.

>>385797441
>What is the DMC fanbase
How are they any worse?

>>385777636
>>385784217
>level up checks by attacking your own party members
FFT has this and is regarded as one of the greatest FF titles of all time. And even when someone's trying to list the downsides of the game, this thing always goes overlooked.

>>385798348
Were you not here when they shit up the catalog with 900 threads during E3 for DMC5?
Do you not go into cuhrayzee threads were they dismiss every other game because of 'muh depth'?

Trust me DMCfans are absolute cancer.

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>>385764000
Did you say argument?

>>385798496
So? That literally happens with any big new game coming, real or fake.

>>385798847
>Ignoring my second point

I do remember fighting the last boss in 8 more than any other boss as a kid.

>first form of Ultimecia starts
>beat her
>summons griever
>camera immediately goes up and Gilgamesh appears
>Zanetsuken happens and instantly kills it, triggering next form
>final form kills my team after a long hard battle
>Instead of game over, camera goes up AGAIN
>IT'S MOTHER FUCKING PHOENIX
>everyone revives
>finally beat her and game ends

>>385756853
>>385756960
>>385756664
>>385776241
What is it in Japanese?

I always want to play FF9 but then I remember that every random battle takes 30 seconds to spawn in then another 30 seconds to load out.
Will they ever remaster the game and fix this?

>>385797441
>>385798283

>Metroid
>worse
Not at all comparable. 3D and 2D fags fight, but the vast majority of Metroid fans still like most of the series, except Other M which almost everyone agrees is bad. Even the most hardcore FF fans hate half the games in their own series and argue with other FF fans about how their favorite is the only acceptable one.

>>385785894
FF10 is probably the one that most successfully did what it was trying to do. I'd say it's the "best" FF, in that sense. In the same way a burger can be perfectly made but less desirable than a plate of spaghetti, or whatever.

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Nintendo, ah, and then you talk about Nintendo isn’t copying anything and how Sony is copying everything, and that’s just bullshit, that bullshit…shit s-saying Final Fantasy was on Nintendo before Sony, have you played the PS1? Nigga, nigga the PS1 got Final Fantasy 7, shit, Nintendo trying to copy that shit, they know that they can’t compete if they don’t have Final Fantasy. Nig, I don’t even care if any other systems get Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy sucks ass now. Ooo, look at Final Fantasy 12, y’know where you’re runnin’ around with a lil’ girl and shit. Fuck everybody knows that girls can’t do shit other than suck dick. So, what I’m really tryin’ to say, is that, Sony…Sony’s the bomb, nigga. That’s true shit, Sony is true shit.

>>385762409
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>>385782050
>ff8 is good
>ff6 is worse than 7
>ff5 is goat

Nobody says these But they're true

>>385782050
So basically the opposite of what you said is true, except for XIII.

>>385782894
XIII-kun detected.

>>385785938
>>385759160
>>385784209
XIII-kun so obvious.