How well do you think Metroid: Samus Returns will sell? Is it

>>385730758

3DS sold 30K unites on the month Switch was released.

>>385730758
It will sell a 150,000 copies. Most Metroid fans are autists that won't support the game for stupid reasons like Mercury Steam being involved in its development. They are still going to pirate the game though.

I wonder how badly AM2Rfags are going to cut into the sales.

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I refuse to accept this content paywall bullshit
You remember Metroid: Zero Mission? To unlock Hard Mode in that game, all you had to do was finish Normal Mode
But no. Now if you want it you have to give Nintendo more money.
Fuck
That
I'm pirating

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>People will defend this

>>385732530
Dumb white boy poster.

Buy game. Make your own amiibo. Problem solved.

>>385732678
Don't buy game, play the original, problem solved.

>>385732530
>implying the nu-males on /v/ play hard mode anyway

>>385732720

Don't buy game. Series dies again. Problem.

>>385732613
unless they remake the map layout metroid 2 is mostly isolated levels with a hub in the middle so it won't made that difference

>>385732785
We want the series dead.

>>385732613
Do you complain about the teleporters in Castlevania too?

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>>385732785
Not mine, I'm not married to the series. There's enough metroidvanias now.

>>385732530
>has different difficulties

0/10

>>385731891
>being involved

>>385731891
>>385732530
Great example right there.
If this game fails, then Metroids death is on the hands of the fans.

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>>385732865
Last I checked Metroid and Castlevania were two different series.

>>385732613
"it's okay when AM2R does it"

>>385733085
Shit happens.

>>385732860

Who is the we you refer to?

>>385732920

Okay. If you're satisfied then that's good for you.

>>385730758
Metroid thirst is real. I'd say it could hit 2.5 million which is pretty big for the Metroid IP.

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>>385733085
YES GODDAMN IT
THIS SHIT NEEDS TO FAIL
EVERYTHING NEEDS TO FAIL SO THAT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY BURNS TO THE GROUND AND YEARS FROM NOW FROM THE ASHES WILL ARISE A NEW GOLDEN AGE WHERE DEVELOPERS WHO ACTUALLY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THEIR IPS WON'T PERFORM SUCH CANCEROUS, DISLOYAL PRACTICES

>>385733093
Same genre. They call them Metroidvanias for a reason. They arent a problem in that game so it shouldnt be a problem with this game.

>>385733210
After seeing that MercurySteam is involved and they are turning the game into a cinematic experience with melee counters that are activated with a button prompt that takes control away from the player along with addition of teleports, I think it's safe to assume most fans are content with Nintendo killing the series after this.

Not to mention they are engaging in practices such as locking important content that is on the cartridge behind a physical DLC. When I pay money for a game I expect to get everything that is on the disc/cartridge. Waiting so long for a Metroid game means that I shouldn't have to be picky about what they put out since it should be amazing but it appears that's not the case.

Will SR have another hard difficulty mode or is Fusion mode the only one? If Nintendo is smart, there will be a hard mode unlockable by playing the game normally that is identical to Fusion mode only it doesn't have the Fusion suit cosmetic.

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>Best game in the franchise wasn't even made by Nintendo.
Kek.

>>385733470
If Nintendo is smart, they'll make you buy a McDonalds toy for every missile upgrade in the game.

>>385733507
>AM2R
>best anything

Hahaha

>>385731891
>They are still going to pirate the game though.
DAMN RIGHT FUCK NINTY For SUPPORTING THODse PEOPLE

>>385733271
u mad?

>>385733507
>that Samus sprite
thanks for demonstrating why what you're saying is complete bullshit.

>>385734030
>sprite
Automatically better than 2.5D.

>>385733271
Yea, that's what'll happen, just like the first time the video game industry burned to death and it was only saved because Nintendo rebranded video games as toys for children and marketed them to normy 8 year olds.

>>385734138
I'll take slightly bland 3D environments over wildly inconsistent and mostly rehashed spritework.

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>People will defend this

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>>385734030
>that Samus sprite
What about it?

>>385730758
Better than Other M and FF combined

>>385735024
Those particular sprites look good because they're just edits of ZM sprites.
The particular example there just looks crushed and awkward.
Like I said, the quality of the sprite art in AM2R is very inconsistent.

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On the subject of AM2R, where can I get the latest version?
I've only got 1.0

>>385733085
>thinking metroid's future relies on a 3ds remake instead of prime 4

>>385735357
>He thinks Prime 4 didn't get cancelled

>>385735357
Prime is just a spin-off series desu.

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>>385735357
>Metroid Prime 4
>not being developed by Retro Studios
And don't try to pass it off as mug Retro. You know damn well that the Nintendo in-house development team doesn't care about Metroid as much as they did back in 2002

>>385735504
Sakamoto says otherwise.

>>385735504
A spin off series that overtook the original like persona with smt

>>385735568
Nintendo also said that Tri Force Heroes wasn't a spin-off game. Don't get me wrong, TFH is awesome. But it is still a spin-off title.

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>>385731891
Please stop this.
I'm a metroid fan, I love every single game aside from the last two that were utter shit.
I'm going to buy this, actually I already pre-ordered the european Legacy Edition AND the samus amiibo. I'll get the metroid amiibo too as soon as it is available, and I'll get Prime 4 too.
And I'm buying the amiibos because they are the only fucking merchandise in existence, aside from 500 bucks figma figurines.

Remember: on this board there are around 10 metroid fans. The others are wannabe faggots that played a couple of games and called it a day, and like to pretend they are fans.

>>385735940
Oh yes, the Prime series sure is popular.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-05-metroid-prime-federation-force-flops

>>385733307
>same genre
Here's /v/ everyone.
Did you know that you can think of portal and call of duty as the same thing?
In both you shoot.

>>385736074
It sure is, prime 1 sold double what fusion did on the same day on a console with less sales. Prime 2 did the same with zm in 2004. They didn't even bother making a 2d metroid with prime 3. Now that they brought back metroid 2d is getting an outsourced 3ds remake while prime is getting an in-house sequel on the switch

>>385730758
I think it'll do alright in the west, but will bomb like every other Metroid game in Japan

>>385736002
Aonuma has never commented on Tri Force Heroes in its relation to mainline Zelda whereas Sakamoto has explicitly acknowledged the Prime games as canon. The first three Metroid games take place in between Metroid and Metroid II, this isn't up for debate.

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>>385730758
I'm gonna get it for free because they're locking content behind amiibos

>>385733507
>Best game in the franchise
>am2r
AHAHAHAHAH OH MY FUCKING GOD AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH PLEASE TELL IT AGAIN THIS IS THE BEST PUN ON /v/ RIGHT NOW!

>AM2R is better than the prime trilogy.
>AM2R is better than FUSION
>AM2R is better than motherfucking super metroid
>AM2R is better than Zero Mission
OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE CAN BE SO STUPID

>>385732860
stop this ridiculous meme

>>385736067
>no true Scotsman

Most Metroid fans are retards that won't hesitate to call for the cancellation of a game in their alleged favorite series for absolute meme reasons.

>>385736256
Every 2D Metroid has sold better than Prime 3 which was on the second best selling home console of all time.

>>385736505
>most
Provide proof

>>385733507
Zero Mission is better.

>>385736505
>for absolute meme reasons
like being obviously shit?

>>385730758
nah fuck nu-tendo for closing AM2R I'm going to pirate all their shit now

>>385736512
I will never forgive Nintendo for marketing the shit out of Other M but not putting the same resources into Prime 3.

>>385736369
Nintendo offically includes TFH in the retarded time line (that only idiots care about btw).

>>385736436
You weren't gonna buy it anyway. The 5 threads that popped and reached auto sage status when the amiibo shit was announced were fucking retarded. All of the threads are full of people complaining when 90% of threads about 3DS or 3DS games is full of people bragging about how they pirate 3DS games

>>385736593
Fusion and Super are better than ZM.

>>385735526
Here you are making the SAME mistake everyone made back in 2001, thinking "only nintendo knows how to do metroid, this retro whatever guys know jack shit about what metroid is".

You didn't learn anything from that.
It is sad.
Now you suck retro's cock, without realizing that it matters not who makes metroid.
What it matters is that they love it.

>>385734693
how is this an issue?

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>>385736743
How is turning Metroid in a cinematic experience a problem? Well go look to Other M for starters, the player should be in full control at all time in a Metroid game and these cinematic melee takedowns go against the core ideals of what's been established in the past games.

>>385736505
They are not fans.
They are faggots and this board is filled to the brim with their kind.

>>385736512
And Metroid 2 was on the best selling handheld ever but still had an abysmal attach rate. Your point

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>>385736721
>Nintendo
>loving Metroid
LOOK AT THIS COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKING MORON
LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH
YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT DON'T YOU?
YOU REALLY THINK THAT NINTENDO ACTUALLY LOVES METROID AND THAT THEY DON'T JUST SEE MONEY
I HAVEN'T KEK'D THIS HARD IN MONTHS

>>385736567
Look at the average sale numbers of Metroid games and compare them to the number of manchildren that signed the petition calling for Fed Force's cancellation.

>>385736841
I want to be honest on this. I loathe other M, but I think that the combat system was good.
Missiles sucked ass, but melee attacks were pretty rad, so I don't mind this addition at all.

>>385736716
>Best controls
>Most potential and opportunity for challenge runs
>Best spritework
Zero Mission is peak Metroid.

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If I don't consider the game good, why should I support it?

>b-but the series will die

And? if Nintendo can't make a good game, why shouldn't it die? I asked for a GOOD Metroid game, and they're just laughing all the way to the bank while making mediocrity. I see no reason why I should support such cancerous practices. So far everything I've seen of the game has been pretty bad. The combat is braindead, the metroids are retardedly easy, the level design is bland, the artstyle and graphics are passable, and overall the package just seems weak. Take into account content locked behind 4 separate amiibos (I don't care if it's optional, for 40 bucks it should still be in the damn game) and you have a pretty big flop.

Oh, and don't throw the "entitlement" card at me. I'm allowed to be entitled. If I tell those scumbags at Nintendo to clean my bathroom, they better do it with a smile and then thank me for the opportunity to be of service. I'm not here to serve them. They're here to serve me.

>>385737012
All of those points apply to Super, not ZM.

>>385736931
Found the faggot.
You have to love what you do if you want it to turn out good.
Probably you never created anything in your life so you can't know it.

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ZM/Fusion > Super
Now don't get me wrong. I love Super and it's a fucking brilliant game. But it's just too floaty. The physics has never sat well with me. The GBA games have better gravity.

>>385730758
>How well do you think Metroid: Samus Returns will sell?

It's a first party title, it'll sell because most nintenyeardrones don't even realize it's just a remake of Metroid 2. Most of them think it's a brand new game

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>>385737101
>Floaty controls
>Better than anything

>>385737010
this, how do people not fucking understand

the first-person aiming and general control scheme in other m sucked SHIT but the basic idea behind the combat was completely fine, like with all team ninja games

I cannot tell you how many fucking times over the years I saw people go "I want to see samus bash things with her arm cannon" and then they got it in smash but it wasn't good enough, and then they got it in other m but anything associated with other m has to be bad so that doesn't count, and now we are getting it and suddenly it's bad again

>>385737078
This is some pasta tier shit I'm saving this

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>>385730758
I wouldn't call myself a die hard fan of Metroid like most 40 year old anons here but i loved Metroid Prime Hunters for the DS and the franchise theme is cool so i wanted to give this game a try until i read this.

>You're going to need 4 Amiibo to get all the content in 3DS remake Metroid: Samus Returns.

http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/3DS/Metroid%3A+Samus+Returns/news.asp?c=74835

I don't give a fuck that this game needs Amiibo's to unlock an extra costume or two, but a difficulty level? Fuck them.

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>>385737207
Git gud nigger.

>>385737232
>Responding to ACfag
Why do people still do this? You can spot the guy a mile away.

>>385737312
>underage can't stand the sight of a differing opinion

I'm sorry brah.

>>385730758
>remember this is a thing
>get excited
>remember teleports, magic and QTEs
>get sad

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>>385737159
Super Metroid's physics are much better for platforming and exploration. However in action heavy games like Fusion or AM2R, the heavier physics makes for better combat.

>>385737312
All I said was that it was good pasta and I'm gonna save it for shitposting efforts in the future

>>385737112
>implying that Nintendo turns out quality products
>implying that anybody left on the in-house development team has ever worked on a Metroid game
>implying they enjoy it
I smell a shill
Worse
I smell a delusional shill

>>385730758
They're sending it out to die so they can point to its failure as the reason Metroid is dead. Everything about it screams low budget rush job and a pathetic reaction to AM2R.

>>385737284
I'm doing the logical thing and buying the game but pirating amiibos

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>>385737404
What about it was shitposting? Am I missing something?

Metroid has always been niche, only Prime 1 and 2 cracked the 1 million mark and they're releasing this outsourced low budget turd on ancient hardware that's easy to mod and pirate.
300k sales max
Maybe if Nintendo didn't fuck up and released this years before AM2R it would've been successful, now we're about to witness a one man produced indie fan game absolutely crush a Nintendo published game with """""legendary""""" director and producer Sakamoto at the helm. and of course he won't be firedagain

>ACfag has returned

We'll never really get rid of him, will we?

>>385737438
>Polygonal models
>MercurySteam
>Developing it for 3DS instead of Switch
What's the budget for this game anyways?

>>385737661
And whose fault is that, tumblr?

>>385730758
fuck nintendo for making the amibos mandatory

i hope it tanks

>>385737729
This.
True fans want the series dead.

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>>385737626
>only Prime 1 and 2 cracked the 1 million mark
wrong

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>>385737491
See, this is the shit that I'm talking about right here
This makes me fucking livid
Why doesn't everyone at Nintendo just add -Berg and -Stein to the end of their names? Because at this point all they're doing is fucking profiteering

>>385737712

What does tumblr have to do with any of this shit? How is it even remotely related?

>>385737756
Why did ZM tank so hard?

>>385737848
Late GBA game.

>>385737779
Because people who cry ACfag at the drop of a hate are thin skinned and can't stand the thought of their safe space being violated by differing opinions. Wana tell me how that isn't tumblr incarnate?

The series should have stayed dead to be honest. A Mercury Steam game lead by Sakamoto riddled with Amiibo crap and a new Prime lead by Tanabe without Retro is a fate worse than death.

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>>385737972
>Sakamoto
>Bad

>>385730758
>>385732530
i could understand additional costumes being locked behind amiibos....but a DIFFICULTY LEVEL??? nintendo games are already obnoxious with either piss easy gameplay (hey pikmin) or harder modes unlocked ONLY after playing the game once (dream team/link between worlds).
but now they want us to scout figurines that are most likely scalped to death, pay for them, and then scan them to unlock a higher difficulty mode (and still unlocked after playing the game once because people need to be babied every step of the way instead of jumping in the game however they want according to their gaming level).
i am so not here for this. what happened to games that can be purchased years down the line and still be played fully without hassle? anyone remember the whole ds/wii dlc fiasco? any ds cartridge you purchase now, you cannot play its dlc (unless you buy another piece of hardware OR use emulators to grab what the COMMUNITY has safekept instead of nintendo doing it). so what will happen 10 years from now, when nfc readers will not be a thing and you cannot scan your amiibo to unlock stuff in your purcahsed games? i am so over this "consume now and toss like pop corn" ideology behind gaming nowadays. especially when the content is already available and ready to run on day 1 (that whole: dlc is because devs did not have time to insert them on day 1 is bullshit and you know it, atlus!).
but people will stull buy because ~squishy!! ~it's so uber kiyuuuute! ~ i can cuz i gotz moneyz so get a job! well i do have money but i also have ethics and values. peace.

>>385730758
It will sell over a million or 2 million.

>>385732860
>We

>>385736841
>How is turning Metroid in a cinematic experience a problem?
that's not the question I asked. I asked how parry move is a problem. not the same thing.

Also, Other M being cinmatic was not caused by the dodge or sudden blow attacks, but by the many cutscenes.

You are not making any sense.

>>385738212
>parry move is a problem
The parry move in SR is a cinematic 'press button to strip control away from the player' experience.

>>385737928

You're just like JDIF.

>People who claim it's a falseflag are antisemitic bastids!

>>385738293
please shoot yourself in the head so that the rest of your existence can be a cinematic experience thanks

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>>385738352
Not an argument friend.

>>385738212
The parry move is a problem because it trivializes Samus as a whole. She's supposed to be a ranged character, and you shouldn't be allowed any reprieve for letting any enemy get within melee range of you. once they cross that threshhold, you as the player should suffer for being an idiot. Giving you a button to stop enemies at any range is just retarded and makes combat too easy. You saw this when the idiots at the treehouse were easily able to wipe the floor of the entire game with very few deaths, and mind you these people have the collective brightness of a wet lightbulb in a dark cave.

>>385738318
/pol/ pls leave.

>>385738293
>The parry move in SR is a cinematic
No cut-scene are. No parry move. It is part of the player experience.

You also press button to shoot your canon or jump you know?

>>385738046
>fusion is a linear sidescroller with unskippable cutscenes
>Zero Mission showed you exactly where you had to go for the majority of the game and you can't avoid those cutscenes either
>Other M was a fucking mess, so bad people still get triggered just by the name
yeah, this senile old man who hasn't made a good product in over a decade is truly a wonderful and talented dev.
Remember to call the Metroid fanbase shit in your next post nintendo shill, that's all you can do. Point at past titles and call people big meanyheads

>>385738415
i didn't want it to be

kill yourself

>>385738441
>and you can't avoid those cutscenes either
wrong

>>385738046
Sakamoto is the Lucas of gaming. He no longer understands what made the series great. He should not be allowed anywhere near a Metroid game again but Nintendo are retards who never learn. Instead of pulling a Sega and giving the AM2R dev a chance to work on a new official game, they give this hack another chance. The same hack who killed the series in the first place.

>>385738417

>/pol/ you have to leave, your presence is problematic!

You have to go back tumblrina.

>>385738441
>Zero Mission showed you exactly where you had to go
Reminder the average Sakamoto hater is so casual that they don't know how to sequence break in ZM when it's the game best built for it.

>>385738535
Not an argument.

>>385735940
So you're still at it?
See this guy>>385737756


>>385735568
Yeah, he sure did.
Sakamoto: "We wanted to explore Metroid's possibilities as subjective (first person) action game. A member of Nintendo mentioned Retro, a studio that had great experience in this field. I didn't participate a lot in these games: I supervised that they maintained the essence of the franchise, but we gave them a lot of liberty with the plot. In fact, I have always seen the story of the Primes as alternative and not integrated in the story of the other Metroids, that's the reason they had total liberty when creating it. And Samus was different, tougher."
>"I have always seen the story of the Primes as alternative and not integrated in the story of the other Metroids"

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>>385738478
how do you skip this? It wastes like 2 minutes of my life on every replay. This and every other chozo statue that shows you where to go

>>385738613
That's the only one you can't skip.

>>385738613
There's only one (1) Chozo statue that's mandatory.

>>385738598
the only thing hard about ZM is some of the end game shine sparks, it doesn't take super duper gaming skills to get the high jump and varia suit immediately after getting ice beam or to beat ridley first instead of kraid

>>385738417
>The parry move is a problem because it trivializes Samus as a whole.
No. it odesn't. Giving her more attack option doesn't trivialize anything.
>She's supposed to be a ranged character, and you shouldn't be allowed any reprieve for letting any enemy get within melee range of you.
I don't see anything of the sort being set in stone on the tablet of the ten commandments.

it make complete sense that she also can deal with lose range enemies.

>you as the player should suffer for being an idiot.
Players who can't parry still suffer. Pressing buttons to move away from the enemy or to parry basically come down to the same thing. Variety in gameplay isn't a bad thing.

>Giving you a button to stop enemies at any range
Not at any range, at a specific range and you timing has to be right.

>. You saw this when the idiots at the treehouse were easily able to wipe the floor of the entire game with very few deaths
They play game for a living idiot. If they still died, it means the game was balanced.

>>385738504
People aren't allowed to redeem themselves and improve? Samus Returns isn't an improvement over Other M in comparison? Might as well say trying to correct prisoners is a pointless endeavor despite some coming out better compared to before after they leave.

>>385737871
This

>>385737468
Im doing the logical thing for someone who has money, buying the game, and the metroid amiibo, that its super cute, squishy and unlocks the fusion suit.

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>>385738598
>when it's the game best built for it.
Wrong. Prime was better and that was by accident.

>>385738602

It's not supposed to be an argument. I'm telling you to go back.

>>385738680
>>385738720
there's also a second one after the ice beam that blocks your path
>trying to imply I don't play the games when you guys obviously haven't
keep going nintendo shills, surely calling me a "hater" and "not a true fan" will inspire me to buy Metroid 2s remake!

>>385738613
>This and every other chozo statue that shows you where to go
This is the only Chozo statue you are "forced" to take. All the other are skippable and get to auto-seat themselves the moment you take the item before they showed you.

so it's one Chozo statues you have to take at the beginning of the game and that's it.

>>385738762
RBO 9% Hard run in ZM is the hardest type of run you can do in a Metroid game.
>>385738874
>Doing autistic out of bounds clipping and infinite morph ball glitches
>Better than ZM
Was it autism?

>Metroid threads are as bad as Fire Emblem threads again

Well, that didn't last long.

>>385738902
>there's also a second one after the ice beam that blocks your path
Wrong. it unblock you if you take the item it shows you before.

>>385738779
>No. it odesn't. Giving her more attack option doesn't trivialize anything.
Sometimes you shouldn't be allowed more attack options. You need limitations to keep the game at a steady pace, or you just trivialize the rest of the product. It'd be like giving you the screw attack from the first boss.

>I don't see anything of the sort being set in stone on the tablet of the ten commandments.
I see it pretty damn well with pretty much every other good Metroid.

>Players who can't parry still suffer.
The window for parrying is way too generous, so this is an impossibility. It's built for braindead retards.

>Not at any range, at a specific range and you timing has to be right.
Wrong. Like I said before, the timing window is way too generous. If it required even a modicrum of skill, those idiots at the treehouse would've never been able to even beat the demo.

>They play game for a living idiot.
No, they don't. Stop shilling for them.

>>385738902
Nope, you can skip it with a bomb jump. Or just enter Kraid early, get Super Missiles early with a shinespark and exit the same way you entered.

>>385738978
1% Hard Fusion and 24% Prime are harder.
You can do more in Prime without OoB or infinite speed than you can do in ZM.

>>385738815
You first need to acknowledge that you did something wrong before you're allowed redemption. That means nothing short of a full blown apology that says "I screwed up, Other M was terrible, I will never try that again." No passive aggressive interviews that skirt the issue. It's gotta be a full blown apology.

>>385733307
Different actually. Metroidvania is a term that was specifically coined to refer to Symphony of the Night, which was different from all other previous entries in that it was much more like Metroid than the other games, hence "Metroidvania".

So basically, that term only refers to a specific type of Castlevania game. Whereas all Metroid games are just Metroid games.

>>385739114
>You can do more in Prime without OoB or infinite speed than you can do in ZM.
No actually you can't, because without scan dashing (something patched out of almost every version) Prime is 100% linear barring the artifacts whereas everything in ZM is intended.

>>385739196
That just makes the point even stronger. Prime's original release was better for sequence breaking than ZM, and that was a complete accident.

It's a Jew move for sure, but to be fair Metroid 2 never really had a hard mode to begin with. This sounds like an afterthought, much like BOTW's hard mode was.

The simple solution is to not buy it and make your own hard mode. Going to Ganon right after the great plateau, no heart upgrades, etc. Chances are this hard mode will be like BOTW's, enemies being turned into damage sponges with no noticeable increase in difficulty. Basically not even worth the money.

>>385730758
I didn't even know it existed until hearing about it on /v/. What is it?

>>385739378

A remake of Metroid 2.

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>>385738815
maybe if it was on Switch and not outsourced people wouldn't be freaking out.
It looks like a literal shovelware game thanks to the shit resolution and poor graphical style, the melee is firmly NOT metroid and the 360 aiming looks like it'll slow the game down to a crawl when Zero Mission sped the game up to hyper speed.
We're currently in a renaissance of side scrollers with amazing art and level design, it'll take a bit more to stand out than a cheap NSMB 2.5 blocky 3D artstyle

>>385739286
>Prime's original release was better for sequence breaking than ZM
There are far more routes in ZM than Prime.

>>385739009
>Sometimes you shouldn't be allowed more attack options
And sometimes it makes things better.
>You need limitations to keep the game at a steady pace, or you just trivialize the rest of the product. It'd be like giving you the screw attack from the first boss.
Most people who have played it say it's balanced. So this isn't the case here.
>I see it pretty damn well with pretty much every other good Metroid.
This is not a valid logic, you are stating the game isn't allowed to evolve or experiments. If a new move work well in a game then there is no issues.

>The window for parrying is way too generous, so this is an impossibility
You haven't played the game to be able to tell that. With several enemies attacking you together, it can actually make things interesting.

>Wrong. Like I said before, the timing window is way too generous.
You haven't played the game.
>it required even a modicrum of skill, those idiots at the treehouse would've never been able to even beat the demo.
Your whole rant is based on assuming they are bad at videogame when they play them for a living. You have to provide better evidence of that than your own opinion.

>No, they don't. Stop shilling for them.
Stop assuming of the competence in videogames you have no idea of.

>Pressing buttons and having a story is a cinematic experience

It's like ACfag took criticisms of games like Uncharted and completely misinterpreted them.

>>385739520
Stop. please. he does the exact same pasta every thread. don't feed him.

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>>385739560
Not seeing an argument here.

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>>385735315
Bump
Please?

>>385735315
there's a MEGA link floating around

>>385739429
It's going to sell terribly.

Even if they remade Super Metroid it wouldn't sell great at this point, but better than this. That game is already a masterpiece so needs no updating but I've no doubt it will be a few years down the line

You faggots do know that, with possibly one exception, the Amiibos simply unlock content EARLIER than you'd normally get them and plus they're 99% cosmetic and affect nothing anyway? If they were locking the true ending, fifteen playable characters, and half of the game behind Amiibos as the ONLY way to get them THEN you'd have a reason to throw these near-constant shitfits.

>>385733416
I feel bad for you, ACfag, so here's a (You) just for you.

>>385739678
It's not. Special attack have special animation. Nothing wrong, there. Cinematics are bad because they oveload game with cutscenes, not because of special animation.

You are like a SJW who has heard that sometimes, male lead in a story disrespect women and thus assume that every story with a male lead is disrespectful. Don't be that stupid.

>>385739520
>And sometimes it makes things better.
Never in Sakamoto's case, and he + Mercury Stream don't get any benefits of the doubt until I personally have the game.

>Most people who have played it say it's balanced
The majority are casuals who think games like Dark Souls are hard. So they're automatically wrong. And for relying on ad populum, you're wrong by proxy.

>This is not a valid logic, you are stating the game isn't allowed to evolve or experiments.
In this particular case, it's only allowed to evolve and experiment when another example didn't already show a better way of doing it. In this case, AM2R is objectively superior and it didn't need a dumb melee mechanic, so the melee mechanic is stupid and unnecessary.

>You haven't played the game to be able to tell that.
Don't need to. Sakamoto and Mercury Stream have never once made a challenging game. Even Super Metroid needed mods to give it an edge.

>Your whole rant is based on assuming they are bad at videogame
These are the same people that have never even touched Super Metroid because it doesn't have enough story and cutscenes to keep their interest, so they're essentially human garbage.

>Stop assuming of the competence in videogames you have no idea of.
First prove to me why I should trust a shill for Nintendo when they've lied constantly.

>dude you can unlock the amiibo stuff if you beat the game? You can just get it early!
>interview with dev directly conflicts this
>W-WELL IT DOESN'T MATTER YOU DON'T NEED THAT STUFF

Goal post shifting is real nice, I see.

>>385739787
>It's going to sell terribly.
[citation needed]

>>385739817
so hard mode ISN'T locked behind an amiibo? Now I'm confused

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>>385738293
By this logic, jumping is a "cinematic experience" because you push the button and have to watch your character hang in the air for a second without being able to do anything else.

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>>385739878
>Sakamoto and Mercury Stream have never once made a challenging game.
Wrong.

>>385739560
>it's bad for Uncharted to have them, but it's okay for Nintendo because of my personal bias

So are you saying it's ok when Nintendo does it (tm)?

>>385733416
>and they are turning the game into a cinematic experience
Source?
>with melee counters that are activated with a button prompt that takes control away from the player
It doesn't. You push to parry, you parry. Spacial move animation isn't taking control away.
>with addition of teleports,
Nothing wrong, there.
> I think it's safe to assume most fans are content with Nintendo killing the series after this.
Except most of the complain you mentioned leading you to that conclusion are eithe wrong or unbased, so you really can't come to that conclusion.

>watch any Super Metroid LP
>they use fucking super missiles on phantoon and then die like little bitches
>they never catch on that he rages and spams his bullshit attacks after getting hit from the super missiles
literally every time, it's both amusing and frustrating to watch

>>385736876
>Metroid 2 was on the DS
wut

>>385739817
No they fucking don't, Nintendo outright confirmed not 48 hours ago that you need the amiibos to unlock all the content.

>>385739928
Hard mode isn't, but Fusion mode is.

http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-officially-confirms-that-metroid-samus-returns-fusion-mode-can-only-be-unlocked-with-amiibo/

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>ACFag shits up another thread
Who'd a thunk it

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>>385739870
>Nothing wrong, there.
It strips control away from the player to play a cinematic sequence and this is a regular move that Samus has access to at all times. Are people really trying to say this isn't a cinematic experience?

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>>385740029
Pic unrelated, right?

>mfw massive slowdown whenever more than 2 pixels are on screen

>>385740103
so what's fusion mode? And why would the fusion suit be in the game at all? It only made sense in Prime because it launched with Fusion and Fusion was seen as the safe choice in case that 3D adventure from an american studio failed

>>385740060
>Source?
The reveal trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhOx-FpEAQk

>>385739487
I disagree.
>ZM
Get the bombs. Optionally get the Varia Suit. Either go to Kraid immediately, go to Ridley ASAP or do the intended route. Maybe you skip the Acid Worm or Imago, but it doesn't change much.
>Prime
Get the Space Jump, or don't. Do all of Chozo Ruins out of order if you do. Kill Flaahgrah, or don't. Get Boost and Wave. Go for the Pirate Base before getting the Ice Beam or head back and get it right now. Use the Magmoor Caverns entrance to skip the Pirate Base and pick up the Plasma Beam early if you want. Pick up the Gravity Suit and Power bombs if you want - then pick which way you want to enter Phazon Mines. Get Grapple Beam, or don't.

Vanilla Prime is full of options, it's much more interesting to mess around in than ZM where roadblocks are put up purely to force you onto a certain path. Besides that, the world is just so much bigger than ZM's that there are inherently more options.

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>>385740224
Presumably a higher difficulty than Hard mode. The Fusion suit would be in the game as fan pandering, which is completely fine.

>>385739909
Exaggeration for effect because it's the Internet, so it'll sell less well than expected but not terribly, but that's what people will call it.

The 3DS is on its last legs and I think most regular people don't know Metroid 2 exists in the first place, it's 1, Super or Prime.

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>>385740148
Wanna know how I know you've never played Fusion?

>>385739678
>>385740031


The argument is you don't know what a cinematic experience is. You think you do, you saw people say certain games are cinematic experiences, and you assumed that it meant pressing buttons and having a story line.

If pressing A or B to do thing is a cinematic experience, then every game in existence must be one. If having even the littlest bit of story is a cinematic experience, again, every game in existence must be a cinematic experience.

You have to realize that when most people say "cinematic" what they mean is a game where you have very little if no control at all, and the primary draw is its storyline. There's a sequence of events that you have to follow in order to progress in the story. Heavy Rain was considered cinematic because like a movie, you weren't given control over your character, you were simply there to watch the ride, and occasionally interact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy44s_de15Y

Look at this, do you honestly think that Metroid 2 is the exact same type of game? Do you think platforming, shooting enemies, etc. is the same as only having the choice to press O, or X at certain points?

>>385740286
just as retarded as food analogies. Doesnt work here and will never work

>>385740148
>massive slowdown whenever more than 2 pixels are on screen
literally never happened to me, and I've played Fusion a shitton

>>385737491

>Metroid Fusion
>Hard mode is JP only

>Metroid Prime
>Fusion suit requires buying an extra game

Defend this

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>>385740358
>If having even the littlest bit of story is a cinematic experience, again, every game in existence must be a cinematic experience.
If the game is so good then why does it need to constantly take me out of it with cutscenes?

>>385739878
>Never in Sakamoto's case,
He made Super, Prime and Fusion he added the speed boost and super missiles and pwoer bombs in super and it was fucking great.
>The majority are casuals
Source?

>In this particular case, it's only allowed to evolve and experiment when another example didn't already show a better way of doing it. In this case, AM2R
AM2R didn't create new moves. It's an homage to the franchise, not an attempt to make it evolve.
> show a better way of doing it
>AM2R is objectively superior
You haven't played Samus Returns.
> it didn't need a dumb melee mechanic, so the melee mechanic is stupid and unnecessary.
>if it wans't used before, it should be forbidden and is defacto wrong
Not how it works, bru. The only way to see of it make for an interesting game is to play Samus Returns.

>Don't need to. Sakamoto and Mercury Stream have never once made a challenging game.
Sakamoto has made Metroid One, Super, Fusion and Zero Mission. And I want to know in how much time you beat "15% or less" on Zero Mission on hard mode.

>These are the same people that have never even touched Super Metroid
It's like you enjoy being factually wrong.

>First prove to me why I should trust a shill for Nintendo when they've lied constantly.
They haven't lied constantly., they have played the game live and it'snot just them, but all of those who have played the game who says it's well balanced and feel right.

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>>385740408
Go ahead, try using your beam weapon any time after upgrading to spazer, or your missiles once you get ice. The game will literally drag to a halt from its own inability to handle that much on screen. And don't get me started on the wave beam. Do tell me how Ridley X fights while you're at it.

>>385740442
Don't forget, locking an art gallery only seen in the jp version of Fusion behind a remake of the original game that you can only see if you connect both games together.

>>385740286
>three hookers
>I just can't sit there naked!
Spoken like a true /v/irgin.

Is Fusion mode the only hard mode, or is there a regular hard mode get for completing the game and Fusion mode is the same mode with the Fusion suit?

>>385740442
>>Hard mode is JP only
Came out later so it makes sense that there's more content.

>>385740273
It doesn't look cinematic at all. Short scene and then most of it is gameplay.

>>385740358
This is ACfag you're talking to, he thinks everything that isn't gameplay is "cinematic" and should be removed. This also includes:

music
sound effects
text
voice acting
character models
map terrain
all graphics
start screens
loading screns
options
option screens
ending screens
dying
respawning
story
plot
dialogue
a beginning
an ending

All of those, according to ACfag, take away from developing the gameplay, the absolute only thing that should exist. If any one of those things exists in a game then you might as well be watching Avatar.

>>385739909

Metroid is a niche series and most 3ds owners that actually know what Metroid is likely have CFW and are able to pirate easiy.

>>385740358
The point is that I should be allowed as much control as possible. All of my movements should be 1:1. instead of showing me a parry move where Samus jumps around in a fancy fashion, how about you let me jump manually? It's bad enough I'm gonna be going through this game with a casual difficulty, but it's gonna be boring throughout since I'll be purposely avoiding use of the parry mechanic, and without that there's no smoke and mirrors to distract from the gameplay's mediocrity. It's like not using fast travel in skyrim, it just showcases the world for being empty and soulless.

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>>385740684
If it doesn't directly enhance the gameplay then what is it doing in a game? If your game needs a bunch of fancy cutscenes, two hour monologues or fancy graphics to be good then it probably isn't a very good game.

>>385740147
>It strips control away from the player to play a cinematic sequence
That's not what "stripping control awwya from the player is". 5 minutes cutscene is. This is a special move and it's only a special move for bosses and it doesn't strip control because you are not forced to use it.

>and this is a regular move that Samus has access to at all times.
It only result in a special moves for boss. for regular enemies, it's just a regular move like shooting or laying a bomb.

>Are people really trying to say this isn't a cinematic experience?
It isn't. Cinematic experience isn't special move. Cinematic expeirence is jumping from cutscene to cutscene while you cna do nothing.

Pary being part of the control isn't.

>>385740604
It only slows down after you get the Plasma Beam, and that's intentional. Do you also believe that Megaman X4-X6 or Megaman Zero series have too much CPU load when they pause to show repeated hits?

>>385732613
It adds a new dimension to speedrunning. Is it better to warp, an apparently slow process, or to travel between zones through entrances/exits/hidden tunnels like in past games?
(Assuming warping doesn't become the only way, which wouldn't make sense anyway for an overgrown planet devoid of sentient life like SR388 anyway)

>>385737101
This.
SM is the best 2D metroid

>>385740908
Definitely the latter. One seriously damages the cohesiveness of the world, while the other reinforces it while also allowing you to feel your power increase as you tear new paths through previously challenging area.

alright retards, a game is cinematic when you constantly lose control to watch "OMG SO COOL" cutscenes where your character does shit they can't in normal gameplay context. An easy example is Other M finishers or God of War boss fights

>>385733271
>THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY BURNS TO THE GROUND AND YEARS FROM NOW FROM THE ASHES WILL ARISE A NEW GOLDEN AGE
I could see the industry arising pretty quick. The entry barrier to game dev is smaller than people think; look at the modding scene, there are 15-year-olds who do it, and the skillset for modding is more than halfway to the full game dev process.

>>385740551
>If the game is so good then why does it need to constantly take me out of it with cutscenes?
Because
1.
it's not constantly
2.
A game being so good doesn't mean it is forbidden to have story bits.

You are not using logic to make your argument, there.

>>385740775

No move in any video game is strictly 1:1. You aren't literally doing a fucking tatsumaki senpukyaku when you press kick and quarter circle back. There's going to be a certain level of attack animation. Hell finishing moves in fighting games are a prime example of this.

Bison's special moves are much like Samus's in this game. You perform the input correctly and you watch an attack animation. Video games have always had this sort of thing, they're not cinematic. If you want a purely 1:1 experience, go outside and fight someone IRL.

>>385740684

It's like he completely misinterpreted what people said they valued gameplay heavy titles. He took that as "anything that isn't a literal fucking pixel doing shit is a cinematic experience".

>>385740560
>He made Super, Prime and Fusion
All of which were easy games and needed difficulty modes to really get the most out of them.

>Source?
Just look at Dark Souls' metacritic page and watch them jerking it off as perfection.

>AM2R didn't create new moves.
But it was still a great game and proved that you didn't need new moves, at least not for a remake.

>You haven't played Samus Returns.
I don't need to. I'm the paying customer, I can judge it any way I want even before release. If I can't, then neither can you hype it up before release. That freedom is a 2 way street.

>Not how it works, bru. The only way to see of it make for an interesting game is to play Samus Returns.
And until they prove it's worthwhile, I'm allowed to consider it bad.

>And I want to know in how much time you beat "15% or less" on Zero Mission on hard mode.
And why would I care about that? Where's the actual difficulty modes that don't just amount to "get less items"? I want stronger enemy AI, more challenging platforming segments, anything really. This is something AM2R provided, why couldn't Sakamoto do it?

>It's like you enjoy being factually wrong.
Them being stupidly casual proves me right.

>they have played the game live and it'snot just them, but all of those who have played the game who says it's well balanced and feel right.
Relying on popular opinion again. Argument discarded.

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>>385741026
>An easy example is Other M finishers
Which is exactly what the melee move in SR is. Are you not seeing the problem?

>>385740775
>The point is that I should be allowed as much control as possible. All of my movements should be 1:1. instead of showing me a parry move where Samus jumps around in a fancy fashion
1. You are not forced to use parry
2. Those special move only happens during bossfight and those are contextual actions. It allow for the game to do things you can't usually do as it can't be integrated in the normal gameplay. Not a bad thing.
>y, but it's gonna be boring throughout since I'll be purposely avoiding use of the parry mechanic
Or you could discover it's fun to use and provide diversity of gameplay.
>and without that there's no smoke and mirrors to distract from the gameplay's mediocrity.
You haven't played the game.

>>385741248
fuck off you retarded spongebob avatarfag

>>385741364
Not seeing an argument here.

>>385740879
>slowdown is intentional
Let me guess, the 20 FPS drops in Zelda prior to the patches were intentional too?

>How well do you think Metroid: Samus Returns will sell?
Hopefully not well. Other M and Federation Force were abortions. Samus Returns has already revealed itself to be an utterly casualized abomination as well. Nintendo has consistently ignored the series' fanbase and will continue to do so as long as people blindly purchase these games on brand loyalty alone.

>Is it too late in the 3DS life cycle to sell adequately?
Nothing to do with anything. But I'm sure that's the scapegoat Nintendo will use instead of acknowledging that SR shits all over the original game and never should have been made.

>>385741235
All I want is more control than what the parry mechanic offers. And I need more risk. The enemy shouldn't be stunned period when it happens. It shouldn't even stop them from attacking. I'd be okay with this a little more if the parry mechanic didn't counter them. It's just downright stupid, the enemies weren't that hard to begin with.

>>385741282
>1. You are not forced to use parry
Without it the game has no smoke to hide behind and is exposed for being even more boring.

>It allow for the game to do things you can't usually do as it can't be integrated in the normal gameplay.
The exact same thing could be said for a quick time event in uncharted. Literally word for word. If it even slightly makes the fight easier, it should not be there.

>Or you could discover it's fun to use and provide diversity of gameplay.
Just like with Metroid: Other M? Whatever you say Sakamoto.

>You haven't played the game.
Neither have you. Stop hyping it up.

>>385741643
This.
True fans want the series dead.

>>385741476
It's common in games to pause momentarily after a hit registers for emphasis. Like I said, Megaman did it and all of those games (besides Zero 1) never slowed down.
If you have a save file just before Ridley you can easily load it in a debug emulator like NO$GBA and monitor the CPU load yourself.

Is it Europeans with Edgy and Retarded Opinions Day?

>>385740684
ACFag hated OOT because it had 2 second door animations in dungeons

>>385741237
>All of which were easy games and needed difficulty modes to really get the most out of them.
Except Super is a good and Balnced game And AM2R to which you jerk to, is on par with Super.
>Just look at Dark Souls' metacritic page and watch them jerking it off as perfection.
The majority of the people who post comment on the Darksoul page of meta critic aren't the ones who tested out SR.

>But it was still a great game and proved that you didn't need new moves, at least not for a remake.
That still doens't mean devs shouldn't try out new things.

> I can judge it any way I want even before release.
You technically can, but stating that things are "facts" because you say so is the surest way to be wrong. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you hold the sole truth and facts.

> If I can't, then neither can you hype it up before release.
I have never claimed that it is a fact that this game is good, you have claimed that this is a fact that SR is worst than AM2R. I am not doing what I am saying you shouldn't do.

>And until they prove it's worthwhile, I'm allowed to consider it bad.
You are allowed to shiptost on the internet too, don't be surprised when people aren't with you on that one. Especially if your only argument is "because I say so".

>And why would I care about that? Where's the actual difficulty modes that don't just amount to "get less items"?
Zero Mission HAS an hard mode. And it's one of the challenge actually proposed by the game, as to complete it and have all of the ending, it is part of what you have to do.

>This is something AM2R provided, why couldn't Sakamoto do it?
>why couldn't Sakamoto do it?
Again stating things as if they were fact when youjhave no way of knowing if they are true.

>Them being stupidly casual proves me right.
>Them being stupidly casual
source?

>>385741845
Anything that serves to take control away from the player in a game has no business being in a game.

>>385741710
stop repeating this you retarded nintendo shill, shitting on your customer base isn't going to help sales at all and will probably only keep people sour and more angry

>>385741237
>Relying on popular opinion again. Argument discarded.
It's funny how you consider the opinion of people who have actually played the game as ilegitimate, but your opinion, of someone who has never played it, is becuase you are a paying customer and therfore can say anything he want and that make it defacto fact.

>>385742014
piss off ACfag

>>385741248
>Which is exactly what the melee move in SR is.
No, it's not. You push a button, she parry, you are in direct control of it.

It's only during boss fight there are special moves, which isn't even a bad thing.

>>385741764
the framerate does plummet when defusion missiles are fully charged, too many sprites on screen during the ridley fight

>>385730758
If Federation Force can be considered a success after all the hate and backlash it had, this one will sell gangbusters in comparison.

The other thing people forget is how cheap it is to create a 3DS game by this point in time, which is likely why they played it safe and didn't have it as a title for both the 3DS & Switch as some kind of eShop title.

All the jaggies and other effects in it kind of hurt to look at it, though.

The amiibo sales will be what I'm most interested in, since this has turned into an issue across the entire Nintendo brand, and any precedence for more titles to lock actual content behind amiibos is unacceptable.

>>385732613
And you'll shitpost it in every thread you can

>>385742034
After seeing MercurySteam's name I can assure you that the series is better off dead, not sure how that makes me a 'Nintendo shill'.

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>>385742034
>Falseflagging as a guy who hates Nintendo replying to a falseflagging metroid fan who is replying to another falseflagger

How deep does this go

>>385742165
I do remember the diffusion missiles having that effect actually.

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>>385741643
>>385741710
>>385742210

>>385730758
>Have to pay over $100 to play Samus Returns
>AM2R is the superior game, the best game in the series and completely free

It's going to be a massive flop. Deservedly so.

>>385742185
BECAUSE CAN'T YOU SEE HOW IT MAKES NORMIES LOVE AND DESTROY THINGS I HOLD DEAR TO MY HEART SAMUS ALREADY DOESN'T DIE IN ONE HIT LIKE ALL OTHER CLASSIC GAMES FUCKING CASUALIZATION GARBAGE THEN RETRO COMPLETELY DESTROYED THE SERIES WITH MAKING THE GAMES SO EASY YOU CAN PLAY THEM EVEN IN RETARDED COD MODE EVERY GAME PAST THE SECOND ONE IS WATERED-DOWN BABY GARBAGE FULL OF MOVIES AND NO PLAYER CONTROL YOU'RE SO BLINDED YOU CAN'T SEE HOW EVERYTHING IS RUINED FOREVER

>>385742293
Not seeing an argument as to why I should support a game that has shown to take the series in a cinematic direction, I shouldn't have to be picky about Nintendo's Metroid output since it's so sparse. Locking content behind physical DLC is just the icing on the cake.

If this is the fate of the series I think I would rather it remain dead.

>>385742379
>>Have to pay over $100 to play Samus Returns
Where the fuck do you live? Canada?

>>385741686
>All I want is more control than what the parry mechanic offers.
>The enemy shouldn't be stunned period when it happens. It shouldn't even stop them from attacking.
It work perfectly well in the Rockstar Batman games. PAry is a legit move and of course you should be rewarded for succeeding at it.
>Without it the game has no smoke to hide behind and is exposed for being even more boring.
You haven't played the game
>The exact same thing could be said for a quick time event in uncharted.
Contextual action and Quick time events aren't the same thing QTE are Guitar-hero minigames inserted during the gameplay that break the flow of the game. Contextual action are move you can only do in certain consdtion but are integrated to the gameplay and doesn't break anything. Those are good.

>Just like with Metroid: Other M? Whatever you say Sakamoto.
There wans't Parry in Other M. Also, Other M isn't Samus Returns.

>Neither have you. Stop hyping it up.
And I don't try to pretend my prediction are absolute facts unlike you.

>>385741764
If it was intentional, than that just makes it even worse. You DO remember every fight that involved those beams, right? They were slow as hell and basically made them laughable. Everything slowed down, not just the beams. Projectiles were laughably slow, the enemies stopped cold, it was embarassing. And people say this is an improvement.

>>385741973
>Except Super is a good and Balnced game
It's good, but far from balanced. Enemies die way too easily. Super Zero Mission is a far better game.

>The majority of the people who post comment on the Darksoul page of meta critic aren't the ones who tested out SR.
The history of the treehouse will argue otherwise. These same people have even said that Kirby games are too hard for them.

>That still doens't mean devs shouldn't try out new things.
No, they shouldn't. Not in a remake at least.

>You technically can, but stating that things are "facts" because you say so is the surest way to be wrong.
I base my "facts" on cited sources and trends that are easily documented.

>I have never claimed that it is a fact that this game is good,
Except you keep making claims that the game is good and balanced based on the opinions of sheep being paid to promote the game.

>You are allowed to shiptost on the internet too,
So a differing opinion is now shitposting. Wonderful.

>Zero Mission HAS an hard mode.
No, it doesn't. Sure, it SAYS it has a hard mode, but it just reduces the amount of health you can get. It barely replaces any enemies, and when it does, they're just bigger damage sponges, and just reduces the amount you get from tanks and missiles. No major enemy AI changes. Shoot, to even access a version of mecha ridley that isn't a joke, you have to already be overpowered with 100% item collection. At least in AM2R I can alter the difficulty any way I want with no restriction on the restrictions.

>>385742426
Not seeing a real metroid fan anywhere in this post

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Why is the Metroid fanbase so toxic? I thought we wanted Nintendo to give us games.

>>385733507
You're right. It was made by Retro Studios.

>>385742450
>>385737491

>>385742554
its all falseflaggers and ACFag

>>385741973
>Again stating things as if they were fact when youjhave no way of knowing if they are true.
Due to Other M and Fed Force, it's automatically true until proven otherwise. "Innocent until proven guilty" does not apply to greedy corporate suits. They are not human, so they don't deserve the same rights as a human.

>source?
Them dying in pretty much every game they've ever played showcases this pretty nicely.

>>385742554
I dunno dude, I guess most people are just really easy to bait

I have the special edition of SR preordered and I'm going to specifically not buy amiibos but unlock their content for myself anyway because I support the series and not the amiibo DLC business practice

>>385742604
That's not the game itself, go away you fucking leaf

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>>385742052
>It's funny how you consider the opinion of people who have actually played the game as ilegitimate
Because they have any legitimacy whatsoever?

>>385737491
ah yes the art gallery and sound test mode, the most important features of metroid...

>>385742212
it's more like
>marketers are pointing to 15 year old (and older) titles as reasons to buy this latest game
>anyone who dislikes it isn't a true metroid fan and wants the series dead
Advertising, goal post moving and attempting to control opinions all at the same time while. Kimishima can get fucked, modern Nintendo is going straight into the gutter right now and these marketing campaigns aren't going to convince anyone to buy their last gen shovelware produced by a hack and outsourced to a D tier studio

>>385738062
>ethics and values
>about video games

>>385742759
actually I was convinced senpai

>>385742614
>I support the series and not the amiibo DLC business practice
This, boycott the amiibo not the game.

>>385742614
>Amiibo DLC practice

You can be outraged when anything that's actually meaningful is "Amiibo DLC". Getting upset over them unlocking reskins and pointless minigames is silly.

>>385742694
>Conveniently leaves out the user average
lmao

>>385742740
the image isn't about the importance of the unlocks. its about the fact that things that were once free are now behind an amiiboo. Each amiibo has its own significant unlock and for the smash bros one the significant unlocks are two things that have been free in past games

>>385742759
>falseflagging this hard
This is some serious autism

>>385742850
"meaningful" is subjective, and I find unlockable content that you can otherwise not unlock in a metroid game meaningful, so I will continue in my outrage

going to enjoy the fuck out of the game and my free fusion mode though

>>385742524
i'm a real metroid fan and i agree with him, i'd rather it die with what little dignity it still retains

also saying some shit like
>ur not a REAL metroid fan
is tired as fuck and really one of the dumbest things you could possibly attempt to hoist over someone, like who the fuck would pretend to be a genuine fan of a series that's been living in the toilet for half of it's existence? come the fuck on man, you don't have to be so low and petty because anon feels differently than you, it trivializes anything you might have said of value desu

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>>385742759
>People will defend a corporate stooge taking Iwata's place

>>385742869
yes... significant... very big and important, gotta see those omake pictures of samus and listen to music on my 3ds instead of pulling it up online.

>>385742902
I'm not the one false flagging anon, and I'm not the one calling my fanbase shit and claiming they want the series dead.
That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, why is it not okay for phil fish to tell his customers to fuck off but Nintendo stealth marketers can do it?

>>385742869
>buy an Amiibo once
>have a little action figurine to display
>it also unlocks things in a bunch of games

TRULY NINTENDO IS THE DEMON OF DEMONS, THE RAPIST OF RAPISTS, DESTROYER OF ALL WORLDS AND HOBBIES

>>385742685
The point still stands you fucking drone. I have to PAY to unlock content on the cartridge that I already fucking paid for. The full game costs over $100. AM2R is the superior remake and doesn't cost a single penny.

>>385743025
>>385743058
>I don't care about X being restricted when it was freely available before, why do you care? Fucking video game nerds lmao

honestly what the fuck are you people doing on /v/

>>385742498
>It work perfectly well in the Rockstar Batman games
Anon, I forgive you for having the audacity to defend that hot garbage. but try not to do it again.

>Contextual action and Quick time events aren't the same thing QTE
The only difference is semantics. Either way it's making the game easier in favor of style over substance.

>There wans't Parry in Other M
You know you're lying, right? You even got a full charge of your cannon after every successful parry.

>And I don't try to pretend my prediction are absolute facts
You mean the exact same thing you're doing righ tnow?

>dude stop criticizing the counter mechanic! it makes the game great! even though I've never played it

>>385743134
Playing video games.

>>385742943
So you're getting Fusion Mode WITHOUT needing to use an Amiibi. So why are you farting your face off over NEEDING an Amiibo to play Fusion Mode? Direct opposites like this simply cannot exist at the same time.

>>385742515
>The history of the treehouse will argue otherwise.
It actually doesn't.
>These same people have even said that Kirby games are too hard for them.
No need to invent BS, you know.

>No, they shouldn't. Not in a remake at least.
Remake IS a place where you can try new things. Fuck. Even AM2R put things in it that weren't isn't he original. None of what you are saying is a valid point for Samus having to be forbid to have parry moves.

>I base my "facts" on cited sources and trends that are easily documented.
Lol no. you base your "facts" of "How I feel about stuff" and "Because I say so".

>Except you keep making claims that the game is good and balanced based on the opinions
No, I said that those who have tried it have said it is balanced, I never said that it was a fact that it was well balanced. I reported source from people who have actually tried the game.

>So a differing opinion is now shitposting. Wonderful.
Having different opinon isn't shitposting, trying to pretend that your opinion are facts IS shitposting.

>No, it doesn't. Sure, it SAYS it has a hard mode, but it just reduces the amount of health you can get. It barely replaces any enemies, and when it does, they're just bigger damage sponges, and just reduces the amount you get from tanks and missiles.
I can assure you all that is making the game harder and more challenging.

>No major enemy AI changes.
As none of the Metroid games either.

>Shoot, to even access a version of mecha ridley that isn't a joke, you have to already be overpowered with 100% item collection.
Or you can try a "15% or less" run and meet the real deal.

>>385743134
Playing video games, fucktard. Unlike you I'm not throwing a shitfit about nothing on a Japanese troll board.

>>385742614
You're okay, anon. I'm fine with people pirating the amiibo functionality. Just don't pirate the game itself.

>>385742608
>Due to Other M and Fed Force, it's automatically true until proven otherwise.
I don't see how FF play any factor in that, as it's actually good, but no each game should be judged for itself.

>"Innocent until proven guilty" does not apply to greedy corporate suits. They are not human, so they don't deserve the same rights as a human.
That still doesn't allow you to pull "facts" out of your ass.

>Them dying in pretty much every game they've ever played showcases this pretty nicely.
Except in most game they dispaly, they don't actually die. So it's an unbased point you have there.

>>385743094
>the full game
>He doesn't pirate his amiibos
That what you get for being a fucking leaf

>>385742694
Them having no legitimacy doesn't magically grant you legitimacy.

>>385737078
Hahahaha wtf. Nintendo doesn't care about you bro.

>>385743198
Are you just pretending to be retarded? Maybe you're not, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are genuinely retarded. Here's the explanation then.

Nintendo has taken what was previously available as part of the main game purchase, i.e. art galleries and music and difficulty modes, and tried to limit those things to being behind amiibo. Obviously there are workarounds but the fact that there need to be workarounds at all is a problem, these things should be accessible without these hoops that I'm jumping through. It was like that before and it isn't as if this is some incredibly expansive content that took a long time to make, it's shit that was already made and they just decided to lock off behind scarcely available figurines. This is a bad business practice because not only is the customer getting less for their money than they were before, the supply of amiibo is actually not sufficient to meet demand, which is a known thing to occur with tons of amiibo. So why am I mad? If you don't understand that by now you might actually have brain problems. The fact that I can unlock the content for myself is great, and I will do that, but I shouldn't have to. Nintendo is doing a very bad thing by locking this content off and then also making it difficult for people who DO want to buy it to actually do so, and I am entirely justified in my refusal to support this business practice. I would be equally as angry if I could not unlock the content for myself as well. It's their attitude and business practice itself that's the problem, not my ability to access the content (which I will).

>>385743057
>falseflagging as someone who actually believes this shit
This just keeps going

>>385743213
>It actually doesn't.
From this point I'm just ignoring any pro-treehouse arguments you say. I don't feel like being marketed to by soulless ad-men.

>Remake IS a place where you can try new things.
Only if it fits the game series as a whole. You don't change a fundamental mechanic for the sake of casualizing the series. Prime, for example, didn't go first person to shoehorn the series down one linear corridor. It was taking it in a new perspective direction. The fact that you can ignore using the parry mechanic just means it's not worth the time to even implement.

>No, I said that those who have tried it have said it is balanced,
And I'm saying those people are wrong. They are shills and shouldn't be allowed an opinion.

>trying to pretend that your opinion are facts IS shitposting.
Just like what you just attempted to pull?

>I can assure you all that is making the game harder and more challenging.
As someone who still owns his cartridge of Zero Mission, I can attest otherwise.

>As none of the Metroid games either.
Except for AM2R and multiple Metroid romhacks.

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>>385736436
I want to fuck that cow

>>385743498
>I don't see how FF play any factor in that, as it's actually good,
Aaaaaand stopped reading there.

>>385743186
>Anon, I forgive you for having the audacity to defend that hot garbage. but try not to do it Arkham Asylium is good.

>The only difference is semantics
No, one is a random Dance Dance revolution gmae, the other actually make sense within the gameplay and your buttons inputs actually result in actual action.
> Either way it's making the game easier in favor of style over substance.
It doens't make the game easier. It just make you play the game a bit differently and diversify the gameplay.

>You know you're lying, right? You even got a full charge of your cannon after every successful parry.
That's dodging, anon, not parry. And it was bad design because you weren't punished for spamming the move.

>You mean the exact same thing you're doing righ tnow?
No? What prediction am I doing? What am I saying is fact?

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Reminder.

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>>385743864
>Arkham Asylum is good

I'm sorry anon, but if you want me to read the rest of your post, you need to not start out with bait.

>>385743901
Can't see shit.

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>>385743901

>>385743627
millions of dollars are at stake, do you seriously and unironically believe that there aren't marketing companies that exist solely to help control the popular narrative on mainstream websites? Microsoft was caught and sued years ago for stealth marketing, just because some retards catch on early and think it's a meme (aka Toddposting or Borderlands "pretend" stealth marketing which was still marketing even if it was ironic) doesn't mean it's not happening constantly.
Wikileaks even leaked how the CIA attempts to control people through memes, called military memes.
We're in a new age, keep your head in the clouds if you want

>>385733085

So we should pay for content cut with shitty toys? Fuck the series then and fuck Nintendo!

>>385744041
take off the tinfoil hat anon

>>385743702
>From this point I'm just ignoring any pro-treehouse arguments you say. I don't feel like being marketed to by soulless ad-men.
You still haven't proved they are causal.

>Only if it fits the game series as a whole. You don't change a fundamental mechanic for the sake of casualizing the series.
No fundamental mechanic were changed. it's just a new move and again, there are no rules set in stones for making a remake.
the only rule there is is if it integrate well with the gameplay, then it's good.
>The fact that you can ignore using the parry mechanic just means it's not worth the time to even implement.
There is no logical connections, there. You can skip and ignore items in Zero Mission, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be implemented.

>Just like what you just attempted to pull?
What opinion have It tired to pass for fact?

>As someone who still owns his cartridge of Zero Mission, I can attest otherwise.
My experience is different.
>Except for AM2R and multiple Metroid romhacks.
MAking the iddle animation idffernet isn't the same as altering the AI.

>>385743779
FF is a good multiplayer game.

>>385744103
>billion dollar companies don't attempt to control information and popular opinion
any that don't will be left behind soon enough, Trump got potus purely because he name was spewed every second of every day for 2 years until he became normalized and accepted into meme culture

>>385740908
As long as teleportation isn't mandatory (which would be fucking retarded), you can bet your life that teleporter-less will be a highly played speedrun variant.

>>385744141
>You still haven't proved they are causal.
They died in a game that's already casual. that proves it enough.

>No fundamental mechanic were changed.
Except for how samus fights. She needs to be ranged weapons only. That is a rule set in stone by me. And since I'm the expert here who doesn't defend cinematic experiences like Other M, I have more credibility.

>You can skip and ignore items in Zero Mission, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be implemented.
you can only skip certain items. You have to get the rest even with sequence breaks.

>My experience is different.
Then you might be a tad casual.

>MAking the iddle animation idffernet isn't the same as altering the AI.
Except they do just that.

>>385744224
Metroid is not supposed to be multiplayer. That is a cancer that should've ended with Hunters, that steaming garbage on the DS.

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Just gonna leave this here.

>>385744394
>Metroid is not supposed to be multiplayer
the core of metroid no but there's absolutely nothing wrong with making spinoffs that focus on different things as long as core games are still being made (which they are)

>>385744625
Of course, there's nothing wrong with them being made as long as they don't hamper development. That doesn't make them good. They're still putrid garbage.

>>385744846
Am I the mad one? I don't remember calling people faggots for simply having a different opinion. Meanwhile;

>>385737312
>>385737661
>>385739560
>>385739817
>>385740135

And that's not even half of it.

>>385745004
oh you're ACfag

keep being mad then nevermind i'm going to delete my image you don't deserve it

fuck you ACfag

>>385737756
It's weird to see the actual Zero Mission package after all the mirrored threads

>>385745063
I hope you're not mad, anon. That would contradict your previous post.

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>>385744438
the counter looks fun! fun!

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>>385745196
so much fun!

>>385745196
that run animation is Mass Effect 3 tier and makes my dick limp.
0/10

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>>385744394
>Metroid is not supposed to be multiplayer.
Could it be then that FF is not actually a metroid game but a Spin off? COULD IT BE?

Remember when people thought Breath of the Wild's DLC would hurt its sales?

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>>385745290
dont bully samus!

>>385745314
Being a spinoff doesn't mean it's good. It just means you have abysmally low standards.

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>>385745196
>>385745285
>tfw going to abuse the fuck out of the counter and have tons of fun doing it

>>385745382
>Being a spinoff doesn't mean it's good.
Doesn't mean it's bad either.

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>>385745285
>>385745196
>metroid """"fans"""" will defend this easy mode bullshit

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>>385745391
good taste my man!

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>>385745391
>mfw getting this game for free

Protest never felt so good.

>>385745370
all 3 of those videos showed the exact same gameplay with the exact same enemies.
I know it's pre-release stuff but come on, this looks so boring. Do enemies always go to the EXACT same spot after getting melee'd? Can you actually just not melee them? Everything looks floaty and awkward. Hard to believe this has the Nintendo name on the box

>>385745428
When it's over-casualized trash on a platform that's already over-saturated by multiplayer games, thus leading to it having nobody left to play it? Yes, that does make it bad.

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>>385745487
>I know it's pre-release stuff
then stop being mean! stop it!

>>385745456
Don't cry when the Metroid series never gets another game again. Its blood will be on your hands.

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Am I the only one that's even excited about the game? It sounds like you guys hate it

>>385745581
See, that's the problem I have. That just looks way too easy. And none of the casuals can argue otherwise, since these same people praised Metroid: Other M.

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>>385745438
>>385745487
>after doing this you'll automatically aim
naw m8, this looks like amateur shit

>>385745598
True fans want the series dead, I thought we went over this.

>>385741017
That wasn't a question I was looking to have answered. What I meant was, if both teleporting and conventional travel are possible, it would be interesting to see which option speedrunners would choose at certain points in the speedrun. At times conventional might be faster, and at times warping might be faster. And like >>385744358 said, no-warp runs would be interesting too.

>>385745598
The blood will be on Nintendo's hands for making a mediocre product. I'm sorry we don't all mindlessly lap up games just because we were ordered to.

>>385745598
>make a shit game
>it bombs and fans don't like it
>WELL I GUESS NOBODY WANTS ANYTHING FROM THE SERIES EVER AGAIN! FUCK YOU GUYS
nice fallacy