Why are superheroes with powers so hard to balance in video games?

>>385711730
because they're not remotely balanced in anything else either

>>385711730
A superhero being that powerful is just lame. The writers know it, so thats why they come up with contrived reasons to take their powers away all the time

Alot of superhero games would work well as VR tech demos

Superheroes are not interesting characters by virtue of being more powerful than anything and only being threatened in world ending events.

They're just self insert fan fiction, essentially, using 1966 Manhattan as their backdrop.

>>385712685
Super powers are contrived.

>>385712685
>>385714827

>Lets fucking pretend we have ever read a comic book

Why do superheroes dominate American comics anyway?

>>385711730
Speed Force is the most retarded thing in existence. Basically Deus Ex Machina.
Also it's not about hard to balance.
What i hate in games is when the lore says i'm powerful or i have some strong item but gameplay/engine restricts me from using it in it's full potential.

>>385711730
Superhero comics are no different than shonen manga with power level wankfest.
Only difference is the artstyle really.

>>385711730
You can't balance time/speed powers while making them simultaneously satisfying and fun to play against.

>>385715043
Because at this point its mostly a deconstruction of early comic superhero tropes, but no one reads comics to know this. Especially you.

Because they and their powers weren't created with video games in mind.

>>385715016
>>Lets fucking pretend we have ever read a comic book
Do you really believe the "you haven't read the comics" is legitimate response to people's dislike of superheroes?

>>385715238
Yes, because it never is about the fucking powers in a comic book. Superman isn't about super strength, it's about what happens to the world (politics, morality) when someone is that powerful.

>>385715343
>Superman isn't about super strength, it's about what happens to the world (politics, morality) when someone is that powerful.

That exact idea is why comics are currently a burning dumpster fire.

>>385715206
>its mostly a deconstruction of early comic superhero tropes
Why would anyone want to read that trash anyway?

They arent

>something that happened in a single page 20 years ago is canon forever and is how you establish the characters power in every comic ever since

Stop this. Every single time a character swaps hands into a new writer it's essentially a different take.

When people say X can do Y because in page 23 of issue 512 form 1987 it makes me fucking cringe. Shut the fuck up.

Explain one thing to me - why in comic books worlds, superheroes are allowed to roam free and destroy half the city fighting some super villians?

I would rather expect society and goverments to turn against them, after all more than half of super villians commit acts simply because they want their "nemesis" attention. So why not making any real attempt to control superpowers in first place?

>>385711730
Because often the focus is on the powers, which are admittedly a draw, rather than how dangerous those powers can be.

Superman for example. A game should focus on limiting property damage and injury to bystanders. This was a pretty important point in golden age superman where he'd even rebuild buildings he'd been responsible or involved in destroying. So a game that just has you crashing through the world like it is made of paper without consequence is missing the bigger picture.

Incidentally Spiderman gets a lot of hate for the same reasons. His webbings take some time to degrade, so he's leaving these things all over town whenever he goes anywhere and he's no superman so he doesn't have any real ability to repair damage incurred while superheroing. So a spiderman game should basically have the difficulty continually ramp up in a grand theft auto sort of way until there's actually other heros (in addition to government authorities) hunting him on top of the regular stream of villains.

Whereas a more public hero rich guy like Tony Stark is going to just be hit with an endless stream of lawsuits, some of which will even be justified. Not to mention that he started his comic book life as a struggling alcoholic with daddy issues. It's all in the comics, but I guess it isn't as flashy as flying around zapping shit so that tends to not make it into games.

>>385716552
Because it's not real it's made up fantasy stories

>>385711730
It's the same with superman and his strength

>>385716687

But even fantasy stories should use at least a bit of logic. You know, something similar to how Star Trek tries to explain "physics" behind warp drives, even if said explanations make litle sense, but still follow some logic (based on wonky basis but still SOME basis).

>>385716552
How about you actually read some comics? There's a shitload of comics that focus exactly on that.

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>>385715343
>Superman isn't about super strength, it's about what happens to the world (politics, morality) when someone is that powerful.

Superman is about the idea that even someone as omni-powerful as the man of steel himself can be taken down by forces no amount of power will help you against.

That's why superman's rival is Lex Luthor. A man no faster, or physically stronger, or more indestructible than your average human. And he still was able to beat Superman in Red Son in one sentence.

Too bad modern Superman writers are fucking hacks and just make it about him punching some other super strong guy really hard.

>>385716847

Like which ones?

I liked Superheroes when they were just super humans instead of Gods among men. Lame as fuck.

>the flash
don't the writers constantly make up new shit to make wally west even more op?

>>385716552

They answered that.

Civil War was about Tony wanting to have SHIELD register all of the superheroes so it could track every single idiot who could blow up a small town before they did it.

Also, in those worlds, supervillains are a threat to national security. Checkmate, SHIELD, and the Suicide Squad are US or international bodies who fight super villains.

>>385716909

Watchmen
Miracleman
Zenith
Top Ten
Suicide Squad
The Authority
The Boys

etc.

>>385716909
Civil War is probably the most well known. Comics go more in depth than the movie. Lots of X-Men stories revolve around people liking muties and hating them for various reasons.

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>>385717005
I'm actually 90% sure a depressing number of comic book writers are dumbass fanboys like the idiots in youtube comments, only now that they're in the writers position they can actually make their favorite hero stronger than everyone else as the entire industry tries to compete with each others dick sizes, but the game is pointless because everyone can just grow their dicks at will with no limit on size.

>>385716846

That's how we get bullshit like "Cyclops is powered by punches from the punch dimension" or "Hulk does super math to never kill anyone when he rampages"

>>385717183
>artists, writers, philosophers and scientists running government
this wouldn't be a utopia, it would be a disaster

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>>385717087
Agreed (pic related).
However, it's also important to remember that they want comics to sell. These aren't one-off stories - they want the characters to seem cool to the audience, so they'll keep buying them.
It's the old "who would win between X and Y" question. The answer is of course that it depends on the writer, but it also depends on what character the publishers want to focus on, which character has an ongoing series, etc. Sales will always play a role.

>>385717087
that's been the case since the 70's

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>>385717334
>t. superman

>>385717087

Actually, full time writers for comics do get free subscriptions if they are important enough,but a lot don't care about continuity at all. They are given something by editors and then come up with a story idea. Bendis can override other people's stories with impunity since he sells.

Geof Johns is known for his taking old characters with fucked up backstories and fixing them, and Ewing works everything together, though.

>>385711730
Saitama is faster

>>385717183

Earth becomes Krypton and explodes, you idiot

>>385717183
>triple replaced a couple

>>385715016
Capeshit is universally awful. Even "meta" comics that try to be so subversive and edgy like Watchman are fucking terrible.

Post Black Manta

>>385716552
Haven't you ever seen The Incredibles?

>>385717407
I've always wondered why every single "superhero takes over the world" story is about Superman, with Batman usually opposing him. I get why logically, Superman is certainly the most capable of doing so, but it's cliche at this point. I want to see Batman try to take over the world and set up some 1984-style police state or something.

>>385711730
Because games have to have some sort of challenge to them.
Superman is a good example of someone who's hard to do well in games. If he just flies straight through robot enemies, uses super-speed to tie up robbers, etc, then there's no challenge. Nobody "normal" would ever challenge him.
But what if we outfit all the enemies with kryptonite bullets, or/and depower Superman in some way so they are a challenge, or/and create super-enemies that can actually pose as threat to him? Well then there's nothing special about him. Then he's standard action-guy #384 who has to punch enemies, shoot them with laser-vision and avoid their attacks. It would be a challenging game, but it wouldn't feel like playing as Superman.

That's why Spider-Man or Batman is a better choice. They are really strong, but a bullet or a hard enough hit will hurt them. You can feel like them when you play, while still being challenged.
For Superman you either have to make it somewhat generic, or think about some totally other ways of challenging the player - like timed missions (save the people before the bomb explodes) or being more efficient at combat (avoid hurting the people controlling the murder-bots; avoid damaging the buildings around you, etc).

>>385711730
classic Doc Strange solos and curbstomps.

The thing I can't stand about Western comics is the inconsistency. In one comic kryptonite will completely fuck Superman's shit up to the point where he can't even move and in another comic it'll just kinda make him feel sick and get weaker.

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>>385711730
It depends on the hero. What you have with the Flash is just dumb bullshit which might as well be the equivalent of omnipotence, so that would never be a fun video game.

I would love the ever loving shit out of a Green Lantern game where you have an energy construct customiser (something like Besieged) which you can use in battle against various space threats. Bonus points if they let you spec into other Lantern Corps as well.

>>385718062
Because
A: Batman's character revolves entirely around not killing people, which means there's no realistic mechanism with which he could hold worldwide control without doing so. If he did start killing people, he wouldn't be Batman anymore, he'd be some completely different character dressed as Batman.

B: Batman's power is tied to money, which is very easy for a government trying to stop you to take away.

C: Batman is still just a guy. No amount of cleverness or martial arts training will stop an army, or a nuke. (Or a sniper during one of your speeches)

D: There's a reason Batman fights petty crime and people with really weak powers. He would lose most of the high powered heroes, especially if they ganged up on him.

>>385718425
It's almost like it has been written by thousands of different authors over the course of nearly 100 years, and absolutely no one has the time to read every single comic and make them all match.

>>385718565
Isn't Batman the king of ass-pulls, though? Isn't "I knew you were coming so I planned this elaborate scheme for this exact situation" his thing?

I'm gonna make a new comic brand In a couple of years and the first comic I'm planning to do is about superheroes. What should I do to not fuck up?

>>385718626
Now you're seeing my problem

>>385719337
It's going to be a hard market to break into. As far as I know, even established brands like Marvel and DC don't sell that many comics these days. Marvel even more so due to applying liberal amounts of diversity to their comics.

If you want to make capeshit interesting, you're going to need competent writers first and foremost. Rather than being some sort of power level punch up, you might want to focus on heroes with powers that can be used creatively or have distinct limitations to them.

>>385718565
>T. Someone who only watched the movies
Pretty much everything you said is bullshit.

>>385718112

Or just made a fighting game, DBZ had the Budokai, zenoverse. why not make the same thing with supers?

>>385718565

1984 governament never killed its victim, it always broke them first.

All this capeshit is just awful

>>385711730
Because "current" comic writers have absolutely no sense of continuity. Continuity used to be a big deal in comics and they would actually reward readers for finding things they screwed up. Now they just recton or have massive comic reality changing events and change the characters powers and personalities on a whim so there is no semblance of "balance" between one writer and another on the same title.

With video games it's the same thing. They're addicted to bigger numbers and don't create a base line and scale from which to adhere. They do shit like creating infinite juggling, stun locking, and/or combos arbitrarily with no regard for the affect it has on the rest of the game. As a result, players actively seek out these flaws in every new game that comes out and exploit these poorly designed games to maximum effect.

tldr: the problem isn't exclusive to video games with superheroes.

>>385719739
Injustice is already a thing. Personally I'd like something like the Lego games but with more effort and well, not Lego. I get that such a massive roster with a big budget isn't reasonable but I'd settle for something smaller too, like Justice League or the Avengers. Arkham Knight got close when you could team up with your buddies but it was usually just a single room and then it was over already.

>>385720334

how about something akin to devil may cry but with superman?

>>385716882
what's the sentence Lex uses?

>>385718565
>He would lose most of the high powered heroes, especially if they ganged up on him.
Doesn't he like have contingency plans for fighting every super powered hero out there just in case one of them goes rogue?

>>385720431

Laser beams can't melt steel beams

>>385720431
"Traps are gay"

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>>385717183
>The triple replaced the couple

>>385717407
Benevolent, nearly immortal dictator? Sounds like the real Utopia.

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>>385711730

The writer fucked up so hard with that panel.

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>>385720431
MISS TESSMACHER!

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>>385721296

>>385721296
DEEPEST LORE

>>385711730
There are no events that happen for less than an attosecond. One atom can't even interact with another in that timeframe.

>>385717183
>know about actual warmongering aliens and otherworldy stuff
>kill Superman

Lex will never stop being a retard.

>>385721390
>>385721296

The Silver Age was so based.

>>385721296
>preptime

>>385721496

SPEED FORCE, NEGRO

>>385716552
What is Watchmen

>>385721685

This is from Red Son. Superman was a super commie who took over the world and made it into a hypercontrolled utopia.

Luthor destroys him mentally by writing WHY DON'T YOU PUT THE WHOLE WORLD IN A BOTTLE in an envelope.

>>385711730
>in games
They can't even balance anything in the comics or shit movies.

BvS wasn't good but I like where they took Bruce, literally the only redeemable thing from that movie. After seeing Gotham go to shit and Jason get killed, he didn't care about how shit got done, as long as it was done.

Better than the Marvel trash so far.

>>385721776

It's not preptime if you have a time machine.

Also, Lois Lane tried to marry Jor El during the 60's so she could have Superman to her own.

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>>385718436
reminds me of when Swamp Thing grew Constantine some dank weed for his birthday, then proceeds to get fucked up along with Zatanna

>>385722338
The comics where Constantine and Swamp Thing team up are consistently 10/10.

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How do sports, the olympics, and even modern science work in superhero worlds? You can't get excited when a new olympic record is set or when a new scientific discovery is made due to the existence of a super powered freak or peak humans like Batman.

>holy shit a new record is set
>except there are plenty of people who can run much faster or lift more
>holy shit a new scientific achievement
>woops, guys like Stark make it look like child's play in comparison

Must be shitty living in a comic book world. Even more shitty since you could be walking down the street and end up being disintegrated in a random battle between hero and villain. Hero wins and goes home to bang a supermodel tier wife while you're dead.

Fuck comics

>>385721812
What about Aquaman?

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>>385722582
this

poor background characters

>>385711730
The Ultimates comics from marvel has the living tribal getting fucked by lord order and master chaos fusing together to create logos. You have metaphorical concepts kicking and punching each other and some kind other kind of god that was the original universe. Not the god of the original universe. It is actually the original universe. I can't think of anyway that the power creep can get any higher but I'm sure Marvel can do it.

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>>385722582
that's why you get smart and be a superhero yourself or get cozy with the superheroes

brainlet

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>>385722582
That's not even getting into some of the more fucked up things that you could happen to you, like Darkseid discovering the Anti-Life Equation and enslaving all living beings in the universe or ending up in an alternate timeline where some sort of super disease turns everyone into fucked up monsters.

Pic related.

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>>385722851
>less then a fucking attosecond

>>385722582

>have tons of geniuses that can invent working time machines and such
>societies still live like today
>still having all the classic problems like no proper electic cars and dependance on oil, no working low temperature fuel cells, no quantum computers in common house etc

Normally even the simplest new inventions that Reed Richards poop during breakfast could revolutionize industry but noooo.

Okay, I know that they are comics, unlrealistic and shit but still.

>>385722098

deepest lore

Eobard Thawne was here.

Barry Allen smells.

>>385722905
Is he just a monster or can he reason enough to put on the cape? Show me Batman

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>>385723168
To make a long story short, there's this elemental force of death called the Rot in New-52 Swamp Thing, the antithesis of the Green (plant life) and the Red (animal life). The Rot basically made every superhero who was unable to resist it into fucked up undead monsters. They're all the slaves of this sorceror called Anton Arcane and there's no reasoning with them.

This is what Batman became.

Hey, everyone. Lets talk about comic stories about hope and change and ground it in reality completely defeating the purpose.

>>385723046
>>385722582

There's actually a Marvel character who was originally a top athlete but then got booted from everything since it was revealed his grandfather was a superhero with superhuman endurance.

And, with Marvel, SHIELD and the Avengers and AIM have access to ray guns and jetpacks, but they are too expensive for mass production. And Tony Stark literally went on a rampage once to disable anyone using his armor, including generic prison guards and SHIELD, since he was blown up by his own landmine back in the day.

Reed Richards in the Ultimate Universe doesn't have the same issue, since he's only 15 years old and he is literally underwritten by the US military and defense contractors. And every superhero there is literally defense contractors trying to make Captain America-tier super soldiers

UItimate Reed eventually develops a super time chamber that evolves a 1000 year old advanced super society that literally eats all of Germany. The US tries to nuke it but fails.

>>385722916
>through them hospital doors

burst out laughing then and there

>>385719636
Hey, thanks a lot man. It is going to be a pain in the ass, but hey, what's life without risks.

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>>385721059
>the air friction at that speed then proceeds to ignite all of them instantly

>>385723623
>>385719636

Do a webcomic, build a portfolio, make a following, do an Image series if you are successful enough. Creator owned is seriously much better than either of the big two.

Avoid superhero stuff, do sci fi comics.

if the flash is that fast could anyone please explain to me how he has any villains that don't just have a copy of his powers?

I mean literally nothing could hurt him given he moves faster than the electrical signals in people's brains, even if someone had a counter to him he could just move out of the way a billion times before his opponent activated it and that sort of speed would mean he could literally be everywhere at the same time

exactly how do his comics work?

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>>385723794

>>385723691
nono you see speedforce automatically removes concepts like friction for any person he wants but only if the friction would hurt them, not when it is beneficial like him actually holding onto them or so

anything that could possibly ever be a negative side-effect of moving fast is automatically solved

>>385723850
so does he just have a copy of his powers or what?

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>>385711730

Flash is such a retarded superhero. He makes even intentionally stupid anime like Gurenn Lagan look sensible.

>>385723794
smart monkey is >tfw too smart for speed, magic icegun stops atoms, mirrorman noclips

>>385722582
>How do sports, the olympics, and even modern science work in superhero worlds?
Same way the women's olympic competitions work right next to the men's, I guess.

>>385724012
but literally none of that would matter
>to smart for speed
can't think your way out of someone who's faster than you can think
>magic icegun stops atoms
person wielding ice gun is kicked halfway across the universe before pulling the trigger
>mirrorman noclips
Again, before he even decides to noclip he should be neutralized a billion times

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>>385723794

He's connected to an extradimensional force called the speed force, but he's not plugged in all of the time. He has off days and has to focus to run at the speed of light.

Also, his primary villains use super science. The Rogues are bank robbers who have element guns and are very good at their job, for example.

>>385723949
he's also smart enough to timetravel all over the universe without fucking up the timeline

So he does it to take a shit on gradeschool flash's lunch>>385723964

When flash tried to time travel one time, he just fucked up everything

>>385724180
except the op's picture clearly has him run a billion times faster than light and he can clearly observe everything while doing so

and seriously element guns? Like I said, if the flash is that fast he could take their guns before they could even think of drawing them

>>385723794
well in every justice league animated movie he just usually trips or gets caught in bubblegum or something

>>385711730
I dunno, but I wish we would get more titles like Prototype or a modern version of that Hulk game.

>>385724169

Flash doesn't see the world at super speed all fo the time. Imagine if you lived at super low playback for your entire life so a short sentence would take ten thousand years to complete and screens literally would take hours to show images. That's why Flash isn't in super speed mode all of the time.

Also, Flash can still be hurt like a normal being, he just heals at super speed. If you kneecapped him, he would be unable to run for a while.

>>385724259
pretty much proving my point there: the only thing that could stand up to him is just as bullshit as him

how does that remain even remotely interesting? you got someone who can travel in time at will, any time anyone comes even close to defeating him he could simply go back and push their mothers down a flight of stairs
so either he wins or else he lets someone else win, there's no fun in that

>>385723392
>>385723512

So New-52 Swamp Thing comics are where I start? That Batman looks neat. What would you recommend for someone who has never bought a comic?

>>385724382

Because he was early Wally West in those appearances, and every Wally West is a dufus.

>>385724445
>If you kneecapped him
which wouldn't happen because fast

>>385711730
Flash is fast but he doesn't any good movies.

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>>385724461

Start with the Alan Moore run for Swamp Thing. It's basically the modern starting point for the character. The nu52 run is pretty good.

For Batman, Year One, the Killing Joke, and DKR are essential reads.

Red Rain and the sequels are fun edgy Batman.

>>385724461
eat at Jollibee

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>>385724526

>>385724454
>Reed Richards in the Ultimate Universe doesn't have the same issue, since he's only 15 years old and he is literally underwritten by the US military and defense contractors. And every superhero there is literally defense contractors trying to make Captain America-tier super soldiers
>UItimate Reed eventually develops a super time chamber that evolves a 1000 year old advanced super society that literally eats all of Germany. The US tries to nuke it but fails
I'm no expert but as far as i know he can't kill the flash that way because he needs him to exist because he's from the future.

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>>385724454
you asked for it bub

>>385724884
he doesn't want to kill the flash anyway because he wants to make suffer
like a gayer batman-joker dynamic

>>385724526
You never know, man. I mean, getting stabbed with a sword shouldn't happen either, but it clearly did.

>>385711730
I hate how whoever wrote that is defending it. It's such a stupid non power. And yet there he is, telling about his power instead of showing it. The Flash is indefensible.

>>385724856
well given how fast he is this situation should have never happened to begin with unless she's just as fast as him

like when he's lying on the ground, he could just accelerate to lightspeed movement, casually stand up, dust off his suit, smoke a cigar and sip his tea in the time it takes her arm to move an inch

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>>385723794
>tfw injured flash once managed to chase and stop his non-injured past self

>>385724891
I know this is some silver age shit but if he is as fast as everyone says he is he could just accelerate to lightspeed at which point aerodynamics stop mattering because from his perspective the air molecules no longer move

then sneeze in his general direction and blow up half a city

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>>385724891

MOTHERFUCKING CAPTAIN BOOMERANG

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>>385725294

BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED TO PUNCH NORMAL PEOPLE INTO ORBIT.

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>>385725450

>>385725182
he can't go sanic all the time
his future version tried to go fast so hard he couldn't go slow anymore and can never stand still

I think he also loses some sanic speed if he's sharing it with other flashes and villains that tap into the speedforce

>>385723794
His comics work however the fuck the writers want him to work. He is the worst Mary Sue in all of comicbooks.

>>385725418
this sort of proves my point: nothing with the flash's powers should be ever threatened by anything other than something with the flash's powers

and as a result I can't see how he could in any way be engaging as a character

>>385712685
>I WANT MY SUPER HEROES TO BE WEEK

then they are not SUPER heroes, go watch indiana jones you faggot

SUPER heroes are about the SUPER

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>>385725596
>He is the worst Mary Sue in all of comicbooks.

>>385725579
so then just quickly move out of the way, even with all those restrictions if he just moved at mach 10 or so he should be easily capable of dodging her
or you know, punching her in the face with enough force to lift a skyscraper

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>>385725609

Because powers don't make a good character? Superman is really powerful but he has to deal with the issues of protecting everyone and having a normal life, and he has a great cast of characters he interacts with.

The best Superman books literally don't have him in physical danger, but he has a moral decision to make or something to do.

>>385725667
hey there is a good reason cape comics are literally the worst genre of comics around

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>>385725743

>>385725609
It's why they keep rebooting everyone to level1 noobs that can't access/comprehend/handle their powers yet
except this nigger>>385725676

>>385725743
and the flash's powers render him capable of protection everyone everywhere thanks to FAST

like those lowest pages: if the flash is really that fast he could have saved his father

>>385723691
Pretty sure they'd just vaporize.

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>>385711730
>Flash
>fast

hehehehh

>>385725676
Batman doing shit alone in Gotham is excellent.
Batman doing shit together with the Justice League is bullshit.

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>>385725834

Negro, Batman is the most inconsistent superhero.

He can punch Darkseid in the face and then have trouble with a clown. Also, Silver Age Batman, 70's Batman, 80's Batman are all totally different characters.

>>385725856
I believe sublimate is closer to correct
I say closer because there's no english term for going from solid directly to plasma

>>385725974
Batman not killing is also more of a somewhat recent change.

>>385725864
Flash runs faster than death, he is absolutely broken and has saved the multiverse plenty of times. What can "cool spike monster" do?

>>385726003
At those speeds wouldn't you basically just be a mass of particles in a makeshift particle accelerator exploding constantly?

>>385726662
yeh, organic life doesn't really work at those velocities

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>>385722582
The boys comic is literally that.

He and the love of his life are out on a nice day and a superhero fightign some super retard crash through them and the girl gets ripped apart into pieces while the superhero hoes "oh oops" and goes about his day

>>385726437
Make me shitpost.

>>385722916
This meme is getting advanced

>>385726437
Pretty much invulnerable, ability to manipulate time ranging from goes fast to za warudo and instant teleportation to any point in time and space.

>>385717087
I've been a /co/ck sucker for a while now, marvel/dc comic writers and artists mainly comprised of waifufags and autists with a weird agenda against particular characters, followed by the fanboys you're describing.

Nowadays in marvel all the actual talent jumped ship to dc or creator owned works and the only people left are diversity hires and failed young adult novelists, while DC holds the majority of writers who actually want to try and write an engaging story, but they tend to be held back by the shared universe and editor restrictions.

>>385711730

Dragon Ball Super is getting there in terms of absurdity. Zeno-sama can hakai Flash ass at will.

>>385726437
The shrike is beyond death, and time, and thought. The shrike is at the end of everything. It can not be outrun because it does not run. It just is.

>>385716348

And that's why comics, for the most part, suck ass.

>Oh boy! They killed Superman! Again! Gee I wonder what will happen now? Oh look! He miraculously survived/the universe reset/it was an alternate reality and Superman is back!

Like cool. Tony Stark has overcome his alcoholism and is trying to lead a better life. Too bad when the universe resets six months later he's back to square one. Hard to actually get invested in the plots and stories when you realize they have no permanence and no weight because having something actually change would kill their franchises.

>>385724891

>h-he captured my own trick!

>>385728791

Isnt Stark dead right now with black girl and Dr Doom taking his place?

>>385722685
Fuck Aquaman.

>>385729639

I think black girl is getting retconned. The black girl, female thor, and black captain america all caused sales to tank. Turns out the social justice crowd doesn't actually buy comics. So the regular readers got turned off and no one came in to replace them.

>>385730275
I also don't get why they went out and REPLACED existing characters instead of trying to market new female characters

>>385723392
>Anton Arcane
That is the most fantastically retarded name I've ever heard.

>>385730445
Because no one gives a shit about new female characters and there was this bit about Marvel deliberately riling up fans to increase sales.

>>385728791
>Tony Stark has overcome his alcoholism and is trying to lead a better life. Too bad when the universe resets six months later he's back to square one

You could've picked a better example than that as him giving up his sobriety in Fear Itself was a huge thing because of how long it'd lasted.

>>385728791
That's one hope I have for the cinematic universe. Unless they just recast the roles whenever they need to, the very nature of live action is going to force them to carry the story along instead of rebooting.

>>385715016
ahem, visual novel.