Why don't you study Japanese to play my game?

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>>385702729
I'm going to start studying it very soon. Really this time.

i started but I think anki is kinda shit surely there's something better
It's silly how it's not timed or anything

Gonna wait for a fan translation, it's at 80%, surely it's going to come soon!

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>>385702843

WHERE IS IT GIDEON

WE'RE STILL WAITING

I definitely think it's worth playing if you like seeing where the series has come from, especially if you're a persona nut. I'm not too crazy about the gameplay, but story's execution is ace. Probably my number 1 recommendation to any longstanding MT fan besides Nine. Work on that Japanese friends. It's worth it!

i decided to start studying spanish instead. learning runes is too much effort just to understand shitty cartoons and games

>>385703290
[raffs]

>>385703290
But learning spic just to understand people who invade your country is better?

>>385703449
>cheap labor is bad
poor black and white workers are the worst. they walk around texting all day, don't show up for work, take off early, walk off randomly, and just don't get shit done.

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>>385703093
>It's going to come soon

You sweet succulent,naive summer child

>>385704365
>can't understand the most obvious irony

>>385702729
Because it would more than likely be a waste of time on the level of playing video games, with the addition of being boring as hell. You should only learn Japanese if it's absolutely necessary desu. This is coming from a guy that took 3 years in high school and can barely remember a thing outside of the kana and basic grammar.

>>385706804
>>385703121

I am. I feel like I'm close to done with grammar but I'm struggling to find the best method to grind kanjis. Any recommandation?

>>385703283
Is Nine actually good? I still find it so weird they made a SMT exclusively for the fucking Xbox.

>>385702729
>500-700 hours to learn a language
I mean it's tempting, but videogames is such a weak motivation.

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>>385708989
No recommendations, but I believe in you. You can do it

>>385702729
When Japanese gets a modern writing system I will.

>>385702729
because I'm not a disgusting weeaboo degenerate

>>385702729
I'm not going to learn moonrunes just to wach anime and play vidya which ill probably stop doing in a couple of years anyway.

>>385703028
I'm pretty sure there are timer plugins, or you can just do it yourself.

The only person you're kidding when you spend 20 seconds on a card is yourself.

>>385702729
If I learned Nip it would be for VNs and manga, not some shitty SMT game.

>>385710109
>which ill probably stop doing in a couple of years anyway.
This is what I was worried about a decade ago, and then western entertainment started getting shittier at a exponential rate.

Don't forget, you're here forever.

it's too much work. i don't need to try at things when i can play the same, already translated games forever until i die. i wish i already knew it but have no willingness to put effort into it.

>>385702729
Because I already know Japanese and I'm not really interested in your game.

>>385710479
We're talking about an hour a day here. I guess someone who can't spend 2 second learning about the caps lock and shift buttons wouldn't be able to manage that, though.

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>le Japanese is IMPOSSIBLE to learn
Fucking uncultured Americans. Just because you're too stupid to have had the experience of learning a language at a young age doesn't mean everyone is too lazy to put their burgers down for a second and read a few books. I guess that learning something for personal reasons or fun is "gay and pointless" to you anti-intellectual rednecks, since you look at things solely from a profit margin as all that matters is "MAKIN' DAT CASH, NIGGA," or however you idiots phrase it. Maybe if it weren't for that nasty circumcision of yours, you wouldn't need to watch all of that porn just to jerk off and would have more time to learn some Japanese. Oh well, stay retarded, ignorant, and overweight forever, I suppose.

>>385710842
European here who knows five languages, Japanese is literally impossible to learn.

>>385710776
wow, that really wounds me. how will i recover?
What you you think are the best resources for learning? I know I could go look up /jp/ guides and shit, but I want to know your opinion. Also, I probably should start typing properly, because while I'm trying to for this post I keep not capitalizing things out of muscle memory.

>>385710987
I don't know why anyone would spend enough time on bad habits that they become muscle memory.

What works best for me probably won't work best for you, you're going to have to put in 5 minutes of work here and there to draw your own conclusions.

>>385710842
nice blog post, life isnt as black and white as you think it is

>>385710975
>ESL who has spent his whole life picking up trivial languages that share half their words can't handle an Asian language
More news at 11.

>>385702729
Soon to be a dead language when 2020 Tokyo olympics come around and Japan is forced to become culturally enriched.

>>385703121
I already learned it, sorta. Purely from anime and video games over many years. I can understand the vast majority of spoken Japanese, if they talk about something really specific like politics a lot of the terms will fly over my head but any generic anime/game has dialogue that is very easy to follow.

Text is a different beast because of fucking kanji but kana + context helps me figure it out often. I really should learn kanji but it's a hell of a process so I'm not feeling too motivated.

>>385710975
I'm yurop too and Japanese is really easy for the most part. Kanji is the kick in the nuts but doesn't stop you from learning to spoken Japanese. Grammar and pronunciation are cake. There's no retarded stuff like in English where you don't know how to pronounce a word until you hear it.

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Too lazy to learn Japanese because HURFDURF ANCIENT CHINESE HIEROGLYPHCS? Pick up Korean, or ghetto Japanese, as I like to call it. You can learn Hangul in an hour or two and that's the only writing system that you'll ever need for Korean. Plus, they some of Japan's scraps anyway, at least on Sony consoles. There's even a PC port of Digimon World for Korea. Oh, who am I kidding. You lazy fucks couldn't even learn German or Spanish, which are mostly the same characters as your own language anyway since this involves putting forth actual effort to achieve a goal.
>>385710975
Are you an African or Arab immigrant or something? Anyone with an IQ of above 100 can learn Japanese if they actually bother to study. Have you never finished a university course either? Try getting a Japanese partner or something. I met a guy through Japan Guide and we practice at least once a month. Sure, the process isn't super duper fast, but instant gratification is not the point of learning anything worthwhile. Just try for an hour a day and keep at it. Eventually, you'll at least be at the level where you can read shitty children's books. I translated a raunchy song about Aladdin jacking off after just half a year of studying and a bit of dictionary use, well enough for the Japanese guy to say "Wow, this looks like a good translation." Sure, his English is hit or miss, so his opinion on that may be a bit shaky, but that and being able to read Gash Bell was enough for me to realize that I had made at least SOME progress at that point.

Granted, if you wanted to really learn fast, you could just move to Japan to throw yourself in the den of lions, but that's probably a bit too extreme for most people.
>>385711157
If you have enough time to shitpost on /v/ and play video games, you have enough time to learn a language. Hell, I cut out my 4chan time for a few months recently and managed to get good enough at Tekken to beat one whole Japanese guy when I finally went there.

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Japanese isn't hard, it's just filled to the brim with counterintuitive and unneccessarily complicated nonsense.

One easy example - Riyou suru/Shiou suru/Tsukau - all three mean the same fucking thing, "to use". Their way of talking is also simplistic to the point of retardation, I hope you like getting an entire sentence wrong because you also got the context wrong and they can't be bothered to properly use plurality or gender.

That said, understanding songs like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZVb9IggJQ after some time of fucking around with the language actually improves on them, so it's kinda worth it.

>>385711636
How'd you learn grammar? I'm trying to find a good site

>>385711837
I took it in college, then continued on an IRC channel with actual Japanese people on it.

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Too lazy
>never will play Majin Tensei II, If and Devil Summoner without failing to use a guide
>>385702729
>80%
How can he get away with it?

Gideon announced their translation for SRW Alpha a full 10 years ago. If you dumb dekinai-kuns had just started learning Japanese instead of waiting, you could've played through the entire series with full understanding of each game by now.

>>385711448
>I can understand the vast majority of spoken Japanese,
No, you can't. Being able to pick out some key phrases isn't a great skill.

>>385711768
>To utilize
>To use
>To wield
Omg all of these are the same thing English is so retarded.

Misunderstanding something because lack of plurals or gender is just a rookie mistake. They do have both a way to point out plurals (tachi, 々) and gender specific pronouns but they are generally only used when necessary.

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Japanese is way too hard, I mean what is up with kanji, there's like a hundred of them. Look at this shit, practically unreadable.

>>385711768
>all three mean the same fucking thing, "to use".
To utilize, to apply, oh man, English is fucking retarded too. All these words with slight variations in meaning and places where they can be used, how can anyone learn any language?

>>385712197
To utilize and to use do mean the exact same thing and I remember a teacher friend of mine just lomblasting students who opted for the former, for being "little pretentious cunts". His words.

>>385702729
Because it's too confusing to self-study and it always feels like I'm making no progress. I need a study plan or something at least.

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>take Uni class
>love learning it, do plenty of extra DJT shit on the side
>tell myself I'll study it hard when summer hits
>end up doing an anii rep a week at most

>>385712312
And if you said you'd riyou suru a pair of scissors to someone, you'd look like a fucking ape too.

There are lots of fancy words you only use for things like instruction manuals.

>>385702729
I'm doing it and I kinda hit a wall. I understand most of the sentences, but there is still more grammar that fuck me up than not. What do I do to pass this phase? It's frustrating as hell.

>>385702729
Because the language is shit, and I don't see any reason to learn it. I already wasted half a year on it when I was doing an exchange in Japan. If there's no translation, it's not worth my time.

>>385711768

Your issue is that they have different words that mean the same thing?

Hey bud, can you define the word "up" for me? And then list off all of its colloquial uses ex "what's up?" and "hold up" and "shut up" and "fuck up"?

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>>385711448
>but any generic anime/game has dialogue that is very easy to follow
Can you translate this for me, then?
https://my.mixtape.moe/lmgbsi.webm

>>385712431

Dictionary of Japanese Grammar, anon.

>>385712340
get a partner

>>385702729
Because I'm only interested in learning for financial reasons.

>>385712542
Wait until he discovers idioms.

>>385712076
Why does everyone always assume this? Every time I tell them I learned Japanese from games and TV they're like "no you didn't." It's like learning through thousands of examples is somehow an alien concept to them. Every time I listened to what people said and also read the translation until I was at a level where I don't really need the translation anymore. I mean this happened like over a decade. It's not like I'm claiming "lol I watched a bit of anime and now I'm a master :^)"

I watch raw Japanese TV all the time and don't get confused unless it's a complex topic with lots of special vocabulary like more involved scientific topics or politics. I've also completed a bunch of Japanese games without a guide without getting confused because they had full voice acting so I always knew where to go next and what I should do there. I can't really make it through text only games without looking up help online because of kanji though.

>>385712629
I can't imagine having such a worthless life. Money has less value than ever, and you're still trying to get it?

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>>385712197
>>385712279
Fuck y'all for making an ass out of me due to my attempt to poorly portray a language I don't know nearly enough about.

All right though, fair enough. What about their retarded tendency to give one verb like eight distinct fucking meanings? Who thought it was a good idea to give kakeru and deru (as one example out of many) so many different fucking meanings depending on the context? And then they have the fucking gall to split each verb into transitive and intransitive versions of itself, a concept with which I struggle with to this day because nobody can properly explain it to me.

So, apparently I can say doa ga aiteiru to just underline that a door is open without suggesting who opened it, but if I know someone opened it, you have to use a completely different verb along with TE ARU instead of TE IRU. Remove the TE form to state that something just "is" and it's completely fucking reversed, too.

And these, along with shit like motte kuru which literally means to COME while HOLDING in order to denote "bring", are just the basics. I mean, what the fuck gookmen?

>tfw DQX servers will be taken down before I'm competent enough with nip to play it

>>385712312
>>385712405
That's my point though, all languages have words/phrases that mean the same thing but one is generally more widely used but that guy was talking like Japanese is somehow retarded for having such cases.

>>385712708
You need money to live, anon.

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>>385712574
>>385711448
Watch this chain carefully, guys. Watch as he falters over a fucking Yugioh game. You're about to witness the skill of a /v/ Japanese """expert"""

>>385702729

I've got Kana down perfect, working my way through Hira but the Kanji mountain may be a hard climb.

>>385712726
>Who thought it was a good idea to give kakeru and deru (as one example out of many) so many different fucking meanings depending on the context?
See "up".

Every language has quirks, and terms that apply to broad concepts that might not even exist in English. You're complaining about the most bizarre shit from your Japanese 101 course, most of which is so simple even a child can grasp it.

>>385712881
Kanji isn't the problem, it's the fucking grammar. I want to kill myself every time I sit down and try to understand it.

>>385711768
>to do
>to have
>to make someone do something
>to let someone do something
>lower their face is wrong, lower their gaze is correct because fuck you that's why.
English is easy, they said.

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>>385702729
Why should I learn some dying language, when you could just speak the language of the victors!

>>385712959

Yeah the subject and verb placement can get fucking wacky at times.

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>>385712659
/v/ is full of both projecting failures that assume everyone is as lazy/bad as them and also has a few special snowflakes that assume only they have ever done anything at all, so you need to post lots of useless evidence to make any claim that you have ever done anything. Hell, I once said that I enjoy Darkstalkers and a guy made me post both my receipt of Resurrection and challonge brackets of tournaments I went to. Of course, even then, it's not good enough for most, as guys like that will proceed to say shit like "lol, you didn't win, so it doesn't count" or "kek, didn't go to Nihon and fuck 20 Japanese girls before adding them all back to your harem for quick access, doesn't know any Japanese".

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>>385712726
>kakeru and deru
you learn them from context, it's pretty straightforward if you ask me. still better than pic related, this is what we have to learn as toddler.

>>385712798
You don't already have disposable income? What are you wasting your time on /v/ for? I sure hope you torrent every game you want rather than buying it.

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>>385712956
>and terms that apply to broad concepts that might not even exist in English
If they did, I'd have a better understanding of spoken Japanese a long, long time ago. Putting the verb at the end, the general structure of the sentence and these god awful fucking cunty particles are what prevent me from doing so.

I'm still digging at it but it will be a long ass fucking time before I'm able to be competent. And having put in some work, I really don't fucking like most of it. Maybe I'm just incompatible with the language, or stupid.

>>385713106
It's just a couple of examples out of many, you can't fucking say it's intelligent to give a verb that means "hang" two different meanings that also mean "wear glasses" and "take up time".

I was going to ... then I recently got into tekken and I also already do art 14 hours a day

>>385713008
Bandit Keith knows enough Japanese to talk to Yugi and pals. He also lost and died.

>>385712659
Because you didnt.

I'm at baby "my house is blue" tier already, but stroke order makes my hand ache.

>>385713209
>It's just a couple of examples out of many, you can't fucking say it's intelligent to give a verb that means "hang" two different meanings that also mean "wear glasses" and "take up time".

but you have those to, why does Have have to means also must and do? what's the point?

>>385713209
>you can't fucking say it's intelligent to give a verb that means "hang" two different meanings
You seem to have misunderstood something key here. The verb doesn't mean "hang". "Hang" is simply a vague approximation of its meaning in English.

The sooner you understand that all languages aren't neat little 1:1 copies of each other, the sooner you'll start making some fucking progress. If you absolutely have to think in English, simply rewrite the meaning in your brain so that "hanging time" means to spend it.

How can you spend money AND spend time? Do you not see that English is full of weird shit like this, there's no reason why spending time is any more valid than hanging it.

>>385713319
Have is completely different because it also acts as a grammatic operator and should be one of the core words that you learn first, along with the grammar. You don't see me complaining about "sugiru" for example, because it only has like two meanings, one of which is often used because it's also has a distinct grammatic function meaning "too much".

>>385713396
>"Hang" is simply a vague approximation of its meaning in English.

壁に絵を掛けてある。- The picture has been hung on the wall. Am I retarded for assuming that it refers to the concept of "hanging" something the same way English does, or do Japanese perceive the sheer concept of making stuff resist gravity vertically different than we do?

>>385713290
Stop trying to deflect your failures

>>385713643
You're acting like English doesn't have hundreds of words that perform the exact same way. The fault rests solely on you, for creating a very static interpretation of 掛ける as "hang". You know you also "掛ける numbers" in Japanese to multiply them, right?

You've taken a single aspect of the meaning of a word, and just gone "great, this is the only thing that word means". 掛ける has no equivalent in English, because it's a condensation of what would be several different words in English.

i am pretty good at japanese, i can read japanese language novels and play japanese games easily, but the spoken language is a lot more difficult due to the amount of vocabulary you have to learn. theres just way more words you have to memorize in order to get fluent at the language than with english, if you are reading you can often figure out the meaning based on the kanji its written with, but not with spoken language, especially with all the homophonic pronounciations. this is a problem with native speakers as well, which is why japanese tv programs often have subtitles.

>>385713236
They were clearly speaking american to him and the translators cut it out to benefit the viewer.
Did he die? I thought he just ran out of the burning house and wasn't seen after that.

>>385713927
do >>385712574 I'm interested

>>385713920
>because it's a condensation of what would be several different words in English

And that condensation is precisely what I don't like. Doesn't mean I can't grasp it, I just think it complicates things to an unnecessary degree.

>>385714052
>https://my.mixtape.moe/lmgbsi.webm
"faint sliver of hope....
become the power to change the future known as despair"

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>>385714032
Funny that you say that. There's an episode where Bakura spells out D-E-A-T-H on a Ouija board and no one can tell what the fuck he's saying except Yami. They all have shit English.

In the manga, yes, he dies. Pegasus makes him kill himself after Keith cheats and tries to stab him. Pegasus also is killed by Bakura and Keith comes back later as a zombie. The manga is weird.

>>385714296

But anon, English has tons of words like that, too. Why is it only not okay when Japanese does it?

>>385702729
I read a letsplay

>>385714296
And what you're not grasping is that English does the same thing. The difference is, you're used to those compressed meanings, and not these new ones which conform to different, foreign templates.

Nothing is being complicated, nobody sits around wondering why someone is trying to hoist time like a sail. Compressing meanings into a single term is very useful for a language, because it vastly reduces the amount of vocab required for things like verbs.

>>385714415
Because it pairs it with tons of other intrinsically confusing concepts. I know most of it is my fault and I'm just too lazy to grasp it though, but let me fucking complain that something is different than what I'm used to.

>>385714440
Shit, I guess. But later on today I'm going to be revising three units of a Japanese book that I've been studying for the past year, basic things like the ~ba form, and I can assuredly tell you that I'll find at least ten things which are stupidly confusing and unneccessarily convoluted.

Yesterday, for example, I've revised that you can express planning through three different grammatic forms that each use verbs differently. Fuck if I know why you'd want to divide your options for expressing planning into tsumori/yotei and a completely counterintuitive ~sho form paired with "I think", but I guess the Japanese are fine with that. All COMPLETELY different just because in each of the cases you're less or more sure of the thing you have planned. Fucking amazing.

>>385714370
Man Yugioh gets weird as hell sometimes. How much different was the manga from the show?

I'm just waiting for someone to snipe If.... out from under him again. It happened with MT, it happened with Mystic Ark, it almost happened with Soul Hackers (the official 3DS translation put paid to that after he'd been sitting on it for 14 years). We need more people stepping up to make him realise you can't just say 'I'm doing this game' and proceed to do nothing with it for a decade or more.

>>385714735
Your course sounds like absolute dogshit if you're focusing on shit like "correct grammatical forms".

Do you want to know how you understand the natural cadence and grammatical rules of speech? It isn't from reading a textbook, it's from seeing lots of examples of actual native text. Trying to learn how grammar works is like trying to learn how a car engine works from a paragraph of text. It'd be far easier to just see a slowed down model of an engine. These aren't things you revise, they're things you naturally grasp and intuit from experience.

You're going to make mistakes, but if you talk to natives on skype or something, you'll breeze past that stage. You won't be able to explain WHY I comes before E, but you'll get it right every time, and that's what actually matters.

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>>385714332
This is the first time I've actually gotten a translation request filled on /v/. Most of the time, people will just flatout refuse to read a line or two because "lel, this looks stupid and like a waste of my time." Thank you very much.

>>385714993
Any other ideas aside from having to bother with strangers on skype, or obvious things like learning from animeys or vidya?

>>385715291
The more you read and watch, the greater your understanding of the language will be. You might be a little stunted when it comes to composing your own sentences without some native input, but that's not a huge issue.

>>385714745
Actually pretty different in some parts. First seven volumes weren't even about the card game at all. They played a different game each week. The first episode of the anime actually squeezes together like 5 chapters and two different fights with Kaiba. Bakura's intro is done out of order and was actually about them playing a Dungeons and Dragons ripoff. Kaiba's father also kills himself after losing the company. The Atlantis arc and 2 virtual world arcs are just fillers that never happened. Last arc was also an RPG that didn't have much duel monsters. Only Yugi and Joey are duelists out of the main group.

Friendly reminder that learning Japanese specifically to play games is an awful fucking idea.

Anyone who tells you to do so is also a fucking moron.

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>>385715572
This is true. If you want to be motivated to speak the language, interest yourself in history, actual culture, traditions, mythology, religion, arts, etc... of the country.
Do NOT try to learn the language just because you like manga, animes, games, japanese pop culture, commercial medias, etc...
These are the worst reasons ever, you'll be despised by everyone, japanese people included, and you'll eventually give up because it's not a strong enough reason to go through that hard work.

You'll really get motivated if you know japanese people or have a reason to talk with them, communicate and discover things.
If you're just a weaboo neet browsing memes on the web, watching animes and playing games, you shouldn't try to learn this language.

So, tell us, random weeaboo trash anons, why do you want to learn Japanese?

>>385715572
I learnt Japanese solely to read a dozen or so CG sets from a single artist about my fetish.

It was completely worth it for that alone. When you then add on thousands of games, TV, animu, mangos, books, and edo-era historical texts, it becomes so worth it that my only regret in life is not starting earlier.

>>385712659
I don't get it either. I don't know a whole lot of Japanese, but I spent a year in the countryside. Most of the expats I worked with picked up the language just chatting with the locals.

>>385715720
You don't really know Japanese unless you also hate everything and scream about le weeaboos every 5 minutes. This is what that one English teacher guy on YouTube taught me.

>>385715720
Probably because chatting is very different to watching anime with subtitles, which is inherently a very passive activity.

I suppose it would be possible if you actively engaged, and paused every few seconds to deconstruct the sentences. But at that point, you could just put in some real study and learn twice as much in a quarter of the time.

Why not learning Chinese instead?

>>385715572
But why? I'm having fun with this. I also really like video games. Is the implication that I should only learn Japanese for the sake of jobs or travel?

>>385715868
Produce even a single thing that isn't a crappy knock-off first, and I might consider it, chink.

>>385715813
By "chatting with locals", I more meant "getting trashed and trying to pick up men/women". Obviously, it still isn't the same as watching anime, but they sure as hell weren't deconstructing sentences and studying grammar principles.

>>385715572
But that's the only reason to learn

>>385715868
I think even the Chinese wish they didn't have to learn Chinese.

>>385716105
They were, though. Communication is such a human concept that these things come naturally through attempting to apply yourself.

>>385715572
Friendly reminder that there is no "bad reason" to learn something.

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>>385715868
Because I have no interest in doing so and no real reason to. I really have grown to dislike this meme where people mention some random asian language just to be contrarians since liking Japanese is le evil nerd trait. I like a bit of Wuxia, but I like far more Japanese products. Only Chinese game I ever cared about was that KoF ripoff. I like watching Chinese KoF videos, but there are plenty of guides available in my native language of Spanish to the point where I don't need to learn the secret Zhongguo KoF tech. I remember a guy suggested that we learn Thai once, and I thought "for what? So I can fuck some ladyboys easier? I can just flash the baht and they'll get the idea." There is actual untranslated media I want to read, watch, and, play in Japanese already, such as a myriad of Koei games.

Furthermore, I already have a good job, so I don't really need the added benefit of saying I know Chinese to get more jobs. I see a lot of people here say they won't learn Japanese because they won't make much money off of it, and I think "don't these guys have good jobs already or at least survive off of neetbux and living with their parents? If not, why do they have time to post here?"
>>385715902
Three Kingdoms (2010) is pretty good, but it already has a fansub.

>>385716305
Friendly reminder that there are plenty of bad reasons to learn something. Learning a new language for the sake of a single girl, or for the sake of business and a slight pay rise, are both terrible ideas.

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>>385715868

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>>385715572
>>385715684
Look at this Japanophilic fucking sycophant. Japanese history? You mean feudalism that went on for half a millennium after feudalism ended in the rest of the world? Japanese culture? You mean regressive, traditionalist, collectivist, misogynistic (yes, I'm actually using that word) dogma that idolizes hypocrisy in all aspects of life? Japanese traditions? What am I, a fucking cave man? Japanese art? You mean like anime/manga, games, media? Surely you're not referring to the hilarious medieval art that is only novel because of how bad it is compared to the rest of the world's art during the same period? Listen here, you Hitlerjugend ass nationalist motherfucker, Japan is a SHITHOLE country, with SHITHEEL peple that, despite of its wealth and technology, is one of the most regressive and anti-secular nations in the world, like much of Asia. There is NOTHING to respect them for, other than the resounding success of their entertainment industry. Learning Japanese for the Japanese is the WORST thing you can learn Japanese for.

>>385716384
Nope

>>385716423
>misogynistic
I hope your leg gets run over by a truck, breaks in 3 places, and you can never put weight on it again because it'll snap like a twig.

>>385716384
You will have the skill and experience regardless, though. Not like you're going to suddenly forget all that shit you learned because "hurfdurf, didn't get muh raise".

You can turn a bad experience into a good once. I started learning how to draw to impress some girl. I've now sworn off 3dpd, but the drawing skill helps me make my own porn.

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>>385702729
Because I'm studying Japanese to play my daughter/prostitute raising simulators instead.

>>385716526
I'm sure there are plenty of people who started learning something worthless like Spanish for the sake of a girl, and never used it again, though.

While you can get lucky and turn lemons into lemonade, it's better to just not buy so many fucking lemons.

>>385716630
You may as well not do anything then because nothing is certain.

>>385716509
>implying I have legs
dumbass

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>>385716509
I mean it in the literal "treat women like inferior beings" sense, not the "wimmins are all better than men" tumblr sense. And no, this isn't about "le hentai doujins" either. Do you know about Yakuza sex slaves? Men will sell their daughters to pay off their debts. A bunch of girls that do JAV or work in soaplands are forced into it and it's horrible. The worst part is that this is seen as acceptable and these business are legal to have open. Almost as bad as eastern European sex slavery.

>>385716423
cringe

>>385716721
I'm not saying you should never do anything, I'm saying be pragmatic. If it's going to take you, say, 800 hours to learn Japanese, do you think you'll be able to enjoy 800 hours of entertainment to make up the investment?

>>385716792
When are we going to ban snakes already?

>>385716809
double cringe
get a life japan expert

The /a/ buyfag guide doesn't have a good list for places to find untranslated mangos and such. Mandy's not good for browsing, only for when you know what you want. Anyone have a good site for an American wanting to buy untranslated shit, especially children books? Big fan of Neko no Dayan's art, for example.

>>385716809
>I mean it in the literal "treat women like inferior beings" sense,
If you have an issue with this, you are literally a cuck.

>>385716976
I'm not the biggest fan of a lot of women, but if you think ruining a young girl's life by selling her into sexual slavery is okay, you are a legitimately awful human being.
>>385716813
>>385716889
Literally not a rebuttal to any of my points, nor does it add anything to the conversation other than "hurfdurf, I know nothing about Japan, better let this guy know I didn't understand anything he said." Try again, kiddo.

Let me guess, you're either a fat American that has never left his country and watches Filthy Frank or are a dirty sexpat that thinks he's "cultured" now because he went to Japan a few times to fuck some drugged up whores. This whole ignorance of the Yakuza sex slave thing makes me lean towards the latter, so congratulations for being able to afford a sex vacation, I guess.

>>385716809
>akuza sex slaves? Men will sell their daughters to pay off their debts. A bunch of girls that do JAV or work in soaplands are forced into it

You need to stop basing your perception of the world on fetish hentai mangas, bruh.

>>385716809
Are you Josh?

>>385716878
Jap games take forever to beat, so yeah, that's actually not a hard feat. I've already spent at least 800 hours playing Guilty Gear anyway.

>>385716878
I can say with utmost confidence that I've spent way more time reading Japanese than I have studying it.

>>385717053
Mega cringe. Look at this fucking projection.
>Let me guess, you're either a fat American that has never left his country and watches Filthy Frank or are a dirty sexpat that thinks he's "cultured" now because he went to Japan a few times to fuck some drugged up whores.
You sure are hung up on your yakuza sex slave myth. You come across as a sad pathetic pervert with a mind warped by porn and hentai.

>>385717105
I doubt you needed to know Japanese for more than an hour of that, though.

>>385717118
Of course, the vast majority of people do. But if you're learning it just to chase after a girl or some shit, you might not get out the same amount of time you put in.

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>>385716423
>>385716809
>says anon while using manga reaction images

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>>385717057
>>385717164
>proven events that actually occur suddenly are fiction because I saw it in a comic book once
Here are some links you will not read, but please, ignore the words of someone that lived there for 5 years.
https://www.state.gov/j/tip/rls/tiprpt/countries/2016/258792.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB4BkouWP8M
http://archive.is/qapcO
http://archive.is/1zJN9
http://archive.is/Lkmu2
At this point, I'm halfway inclined this is Japanese damage control. Fucked any underage girls lately, Takuya-san?
>>385717068
Who?
>>385717413
Does that somehow discredit my arguments? I literally said that their pop culture was probably the best thing about them since Japanese society is actually pretty terrible.

>>385716936
I don't know where you live but there are kinokuniya book stores in a few US cities. I have no idea if they ship though

>>385717514
>Fucked any underage girls lately, Takuya-san?
Stop it anon, I haven't jerked off today yet.

>>385717195
I play with Japanese people in a bunch of different games. They help with tech and such. GG's netcode specifically is a bit too shitty for that, but I've discussed games with Japanese guys on fightcade. Not to mention all of the time I spent on Final Fantasy XI with them.

>>385717514
Do u think sex trafficking doesn't exist in western countries?

>>385717514
So you've gone from "Japanese children are sold into sexual slavery by their parents" to "Thai monkeys are trafficked into the country". These are completely different things, buddy.

>>385717514
The reason i said cringe is that you're effortposting this shit that no one fucking cares about as an attempt to signal that you're some enlightened holier than thou weeb.
Sex trafficking happens all over the world, if you'd leave your house in bumfuck alabama rather than obsessively reading about japan you'd probably be able to find a 14 year old to fuck in one of the trailers that surround your depressing shack. You faggots are the most patehtic kind of weeaboo.

>>385717669
Just checked, they do, thanks for that. I'm next to Boston, so no visiting them for me, but the map says their store in NYC is right next to the central park zoo so that might be a fun weekend.

>>385712574
>https://my.mixtape.moe/lmgbsi.webm
>it's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel!

easy. next?

>>385717514
>criminals import girls from poor third-world countries to work as prostitutes
>hurr-durr, they are all misogynists selling their daughters to soaplands

All that fetish porn is rotting your brain, mang.

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>>385702729
>too lazy to study grammar
>just study kanji with anki on my phone before going to bed everyday
>tfw can read a good amount of stuff but I can't understand shit or make a sentence
I really need to stop being lazy

>>385717836
Of course it does. I mention the Eastern European sex slavery thing in a previous post. The issue is that legal prostitution is much easier to come by in Japan than many other western countries.
>>385717894
>says Japanese society is awful
>still somehow a weeaboo
Yep, this word has lost all meaning now. Anyway, I'm not even American, but nice try.
>>385718002
>importing immigrants just so they can be fucked by Japanese perverts is somehow a good thing.
How to spot someone that has gone to a Vietnamese "massage parlor"

>>385702729
The translation is coming

>>385718218
>importing immigrants just so they can be fucked by perverts is somehow exclusive to Japan now

Do you even remember what your original argument was, m8?

>>385718212
Jap is so based on context that if you can read every word and know what's happening via the pictures, you can usually struggle through. I've only got like a hundred anki words at mature and I barely even started grammar, but I managed to struggle through the first volume of Yotsuba.

>>385718218
>The issue is that legal prostitution is much easier to come by in Japan than many other western countries.
Sorry, I'm confused, aren't most of you weeping heart feminists all about allowing women to do whatever they want with their bodies?

Or do you agree that they're incapable of making decisions for themselves?

>>385708989
Anki works wonder

>>385718218
>The issue is that legal prostitution is much easier to come by in Japan than many other western countries.
How is that an issue? There's nothing wrong with legal prostitution.

>>385718304
Never said it was exclusive to Japan. Did I imply that Russians or Indians were good people at any point?
>>385718362
>>385718386
I am not a feminist. The problem is not that prostitution is legal. The problem is they can force girls to work in these legal establishments. In a bunch of countries, you get shut down for prostitution pretty quickly, but when a reputable business can offer prostitution, but has sex slaves, the problems arise. Buying diamonds is legal as well, but supporting African criminals that employ child soldiers and force slaves to work in their diamond mines? That's fucked up.

>>385716809
You do realize the same thing happened during the middle age in Europe too? What do you think all the prostitute you eeearound are if not mafia sex slaves? Are you really that naive?

>>385718576
>In a bunch of countries, you get shut down for prostitution pretty quickly, but when a reputable business can offer prostitution, but has sex slaves, the problems arise.
You sound like a complete moron who has never left his room before.

It's hilarious that you think human trafficking operations only last a week or two in your magical country where nothing bad happens.

>>385718576
>The issue is that legal prostitution is much easier to come by in Japan than many other western countries.
>The problem is not that prostitution is legal

What the hell is your problem?

>The problem is they can force girls to work in these legal establishments.
That is forced labor, which is illegal unless you can cite some Japanese laws I'm unfamiliar with.


Let's try to work through the rest step by step.
> In a bunch of countries, you get shut down for prostitution pretty quickly
In a bunch of countries, prostitution is illegal, yes. It's mostly legal in Japan with a few exceptionsin regards to specific acts.

>when a reputable business can offer prostitution
Yes, go on...

>has sex slaves
Then they aren't "reputable" and what they are doing is illegal. Again, illegal sex trafficking occurs in every country.

>Buying diamonds is legal as well, but supporting African criminals that employ child soldiers and force slaves to work in their diamond mines? That's fucked up.
How is that relevant?

English is easier

>At this present time, i would like to present you with a present.

>>385718576
>Did I imply that Russians or Indians were good people at any point?

Are you implying that sex trafficking doesn't happen anywhere else?

>The problem is not that prostitution is legal.

Except it's not? Hell, if anything, prostitution in Japan is probably more shady and difficult to access than in most western countries. I mean, in the states you can get a hooker delivered to your door in 30 minutes or less via backpage or some equivalent.

> In a bunch of countries, you get shut down for prostitution pretty quickly

No country like that exists, unfortunately. The only time when a brothel would get shut down is when they stop paying off the cops.

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>>385709181
>tfw I get it

>>385716423
Why are you this fucking upset

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>>385702729
I don't care that much about any games made by atlus and i never enjoyed persona.

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Why is balogna pronounced baloney

>>385715240
>lel, this looks stupid and like a waste of my time.
anon, they are lying about their language abilities : (

Why do people keep responding to the Japan pastas guy seriously? He posts both the Touhou "don't learn Japanese" thing and the "misogyny" thing himself both times in every thread.

>>385720112
they took the bait, anon

>>385702729
I already have and I don't want to play your shitty game. Now where's Deep Strange Journey?

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I'm only a month or so into my lesson, looking for children's books to stumble through. ダヤンとうさぎの赤ちゃん means Dayan and Bunny, I've got that. But after the の, is that the bunny's name? Bun-san? Because that's adorable.

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>>385720280
Newfags?

>>385720580
anon, I'm not trying to be a total butt hole here, but how you can be one month in and still not know the difference between さ and ち? 赤ちゃん is あかちゃん, akachan, means baby. I mean, fuck, it's even written in English right there on the cover. Just use a 辞書. or get rikaichan, it will help you understand things before you post more embarrassing questions on the internet.

>>385720580
How are you reading 赤 as "bun"? How are you reading ちゃん as "san"? So many questions, so little time.

>>385715770
Is that the guy who posted the DREAMCRUSHER video? Or is that the poor teacher guy in the video?

>>385721067
>>385721058
The first one is me getting ji and pun mixed up since I've only seen them together in the context of 'it's 3:03' and the second is just me being retarded because I was focused on the kanji. Like I said, still a beginner.

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>>385721718
>ダヤンとうさぎの赤ちゃん
> ji and pun

>>385712256
Actually, it's close to 3000 now, but don't let that scare you! Think of all the Hakuoki VNs you can read once you learn Japanese!