So.... is it 8th gen or 9th gen?

8th

>>385687849

9th gen along with the Xbox One X.

>>385687849
9th gen
Nintendo stopped production of the Wii U to make this so it's next in line
It's also a home console for the same reason

8 and a halfth gen

>>385687849
Neither. Nintendo doesn't abide by the rules of microsoft/sony's console generations, and doesn't really compare both graphically and game quality-wise.

>>385687934
>Hardware revision
>Next-gen
That's like saying the New 3DS is 9th gen, anon.

It's kino. Alternatively, it's 8.5.

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>>385687849
It's actually 8th gen since the Switch is basically the Wii U 2

>>385688030

Difference is, the New 3DS was always going to be replaced shortly.

Xbox One X can very easily last 5-6 years, which is an entire gen.

PS4 Pro, on the other hand, could easily get replaced in 3 or even 2 years.

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>>385688030
this
microsoft and sony shot themselves on the foot getting stuck on the same gen with 4k meme machines to play the same last gen games while nintendo actually has something new to offer

>>385688304
They're totally different hardware architectures.
WiiU was the last console with a discrete GPU and off a architecture that used to be in desktops.
Switch is just another SOC based system with a tablet chip like the PS4 and the Xbone.
It even has a modern low level graphics API like the other current systems.

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>>385688629
Hardware has nothing to do with it, especially when you're talking about gimmicktendo, who hasn't made a "pure" gaming console since the gamecube.
>Wii U has tablet in form of gamepad
>Switch has gamepad in form of screen+joycon
>Wii U had limited portability using gamepad away from the tv screen
>Switch has unlimited portability using console practically anywhere
>Wii U has some good games towards the end of its lifespan
>Switch has some good games ported/sequel'd from the end of the Wii U's lifespan
They're really just trying to pretend the Wii U didn't exist.

What will the new switch dock with powerful hardware make it? Sony and Microsoft basically already a gen behind now. Btfo

>>385688438

Anon, the only reason the Switch exists is because the WiiU was such an embarrassing failure.

I'm GLAD it exists, but still

>>385688438
>something new to offer
>only has ports from their old console that sold like shit

so which is it?

>>385689451
Nintendo were always going to launch a new handheld, the 3DS was getting pretty long in the tooth.
Nintendo has had a faction in the company pushing for single platform / handheld only for a decade or more.
They just finally won.

>>385689451
This. If the Wii U was remotely successful, it would still be Nintendo's latest home console to this day and games like Splatoon 2 and Super Mario Odyssey would be on it. Also, Wii U's successor wouldn't come out until 2019 and would be named the Wiii (Three i's since it's the third wii) with minuscule specs and a gimmick that uses an iris scanner that you attach to the TV

>>385687849
7th gen specs wise

>>385689935
A handheld with specs comparable to a 7th gen home console could easily go for a 9th gen handheld

>>385689625
ps4 has the entire ps3 library "remastered" even if they both use the same controllers and disks, but of course it's wrong when nintendo does it like 3 times

>>385689625
Unique and versatile hardware. Nintendo realized that trying to be unupgradeable budget PCs with $60/yr online is a dumb idea. They went the convenience and portability route and it's going to win them this generation. The Switch will end up having plenty of unique games too. There is no reason to own a XB1 or PS4 unless you're in love with their exclusives or all your friends are on it. Use that money to build a gaming PC.

>>385688304
Hahaha IKR

>>385687849
I think that term lost meaning when the PS4 Pro came.

>>385690307
>plenty of unique games too
that are 1st party

>>385689935

It outperforms ever piece of 7th gen hardware while undocked.

>>385689935
the switch has 8 times the RAM of the 360 and 16 times of the PS3

>>385689935
7th gen systems didn't have modern GPUs, modern GPU APIs and had a lot less memory.

The defining characteristic of the mid-gen 8 systems has been a low level graphics API based on Mantle.
PS4 -> custom API based on Mantle
XB1 -> DX12 is based on Mantle
Switch -> NVN is literally Vulkan which is Mantle 2.0

>>385690463
Does it matter? People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. They have clearly differentiated themselves from Sony and MS since the Wii. Nintendo will never, ever attract the COD, 2K/FIFA, and Skyrim markets.

>>385690969
even so, third parties are not going to utilize the switch's unique features just like they do with every nintendo console. so all you get it watered down ports of older games, if they can even run on it at all.

When will time come when people realize how generations work?
>>385687849
9th gen
>>385687934
>Xbox One X
it's hardware revision, still 8th gen

gens dont exist

>>385691115
>watered down ports on the go
will work for some people actually more than it did for Wii U and such
there is a market there.

It's the direct successor to Nintendo's 8th gen console, the Wii U. That makes it 9th gen. It's the only 9th gen console.

>>385691176
This
If you want to go under the assumption that gens do exist then we're in an 8.5 right now

>>385687849
What gen iPad are we on?

>>385690013
And I gave the PS4 shit for that too, but at least it offered a variety of new games too. However, on top of that, the visual upgrade from PS3 to PS4 was actually substantial vs getting a slight resolution bump. The only new game that is treated as AAA is ARMS, and even oogga boogga "suck off Nintendo cock" Etika said the game was shallow and shit. Splatoon 2 is too much like the original to even call it it's own game.

>>385690307
Home consoles have always been "unupgradeable budget PCs." The problem they had this time with the design of the consoles is they went with an ancient AMD Jaguar CPU that can barely hold 30 fps in demanding games. Them being "unupgradable isn't a problem, making them severely underpowered out of the gate is. This can even be said about PC gaming. The i5 2500k lasted longer than any console has in terms of being able to run mainstream games. You are right, though. There is no reason to buy an Xbox or PS4 and should put that money toward a PC, however, I'd throw the switch in that pile too even if you can't play those games on PC excluding playing the Wii U versions on Cemu.

>>385691390
>>385691176
>look guys, I'm denying facts! I'm being contrarian!
>am I cool yet?

>>385691236
This. Nintendo will have a stranglehold on the casual and kids market with the Switch. Mario Kart during car trips/flights? Kids and casuals don't care if it's a port. Portable 3D Zelda? Mainline Pokemon game with console level graphics? Sign me the fuck up. Families are buying more than one Switch so each kid can have one. People aren't going to pass on the Switch just because it doesn't have GTA on it, those people never would've bought GTA on the Switch anyways. Lots of people own more than one console or a console+PC.

>>385691709
Hell, I'm pretty sure even shitty version of skyrim will sell precisely because of portability factor
Publishers should just pumping out ports with name "Portable", ignoring hybrid idea. It's a fucking goldmine

>>385691560
The major difference being that the Switch is portable, PCs are not. You can take a Switch out of your bag and play Mario Kart with friends wherever you want. That alone puts the Switch is a different pile than the Xbone and PS4. Consoles also used to be more comparable to PCs when it came to cost/performance. Gaming PCs have gotten a lot cheaper. My thrown together PC, a FX-8350 with a RX-470, beats the Xbone and PS4 easily.

>>385690594
Yeah, nah

>>385692420

Put one in your hands one day. You'll see the magic first hand.

>>385692031
>Playing VG in public
We're both adults, right anon?

>>385687849
6th gen
>Dreamcast
>PS2
>Xbox
>GCN
>Wii
7th Gen
>PS3
>360
>WiiU
>Switch
8th gen
>PS4
>Xbox One

this is how AAA 3rd party devs internally rack and stack anyway

All depends on who's arguing.

Ask a nintendo fan and they'll tell you it's the ninth generation because it's currently winning. If it was eighth generation it'd be losing so it can't be that. If it somehow passes PS4 in sales in 5 years it will magically be part of the eighth generation.

Ask a Sony fan and it's a piece of shit handheld so it doesn't count. Then they'll brag about Vita sales in Japan.

>>385687849
I think the term "generation" isn't particularly meaningful when manufacturers stop releasing their systems around the same time.

>>385692802
Fuck off Quentin

>>385692802
I'm 24, but adults are not who I'm talking about here. The portable aspect is extremely attractive to kids and to an extent college students. If I had a Switch I'd play it at home while watching TV or during bus/train rides or flights. I'm not gonna walk down the street playing Mario Kart like an autist, but it has its place.

>>385692956
retard

>>385693302
>Ask a nintendo fan and they'll tell you it's the ninth generation because it's currently winning. If it was eighth generation it'd be losing so it can't be that.
It's not about winning or losing though. Just time of release.

Hate how everyone is redefining generations just to fall in like with Microsoft and Sony's bullshit.

>tfw you stupid kids don't remember when console generations only lasted 4-5 years.

It's 9th generation, 8.5 at least, end of story. Yes, we've reached a point where hardware development has surpassed the capabilities of software development and its limited budget. It's getting harder and harder to develop games now, this is why so many developers just go with toon-shaded garbage to save time on textures and focus more on gameplay mechanics.

This is what Sony learned the hard way back in the 7th generation and the difficulty it was to work on their overpriced, overdeveloped cell processor. They literally thought it would get phased out in 4 years for something even more powerful and the arms race would continue with them ahead of everyone, like consoles have done in the past. Unfortunately for Sony, they hardly develop their own games and had no clue where the industry was headed, this is why they lost so badly.

Yes, Switch games are the same, graphically as the Wii U, but it's smaller and portable and has a whole different set of games, and different hardware architecture.

>>385693604
>Yes, Switch games are the same, graphically as the Wii U
Only when undocked. Their docked potentially is somewhat higher. Like 1.5x I think?

>>385692632
I already have a Wii U, won't fall for the nu-tendo meme again

>>385693604
>8.5
half gens don't exist

>>385693879
>won't fall for the nu-tendo meme again
Yet you are clearly falling for other memes instead.

Memes or no though, its shits on the 7th gen.

>>385687934
>along with the Xbox One X
No. It's actually pretty simple.

Microsoft don't consider the Xbox One X to be next gen.
Nintendo however do consider the Nintendo Switch to be next gen.

Sometimes it isn't any more complicated than that.

It's not in those generations because it's not powerful enough.

>>385694034

Microsoft can say whatever they want. The fact of the matter is that they aren't going to release anything that surpasses the damn thing anytime soon. That's exactly what a generation is.

>>385692956
id say this is accurate

Does this have any game worth playing after BOTW? Seriously I havent touch it since I beat zelda. Id even go for a indy game at this point

Is Splatoon 2 good if I dont plan on playing coop/multi?

>>385694559

No. It's primarily a multiplayer game.

>>385694310
>That's exactly what a generation is.
No. It really isn't. A revision by definition can't be a new generation.

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>>385690728
>>385690795
>We have now come to the point when handhelds out-perform all 7th gen consoles
Where has the time gone?

>>385694376
Splatoon is amazing.

>>385695071

Hows fate/extella or I am setsuna?

>>385694376
Disgaea 5? If you don't have it on PS4

>>385694969
Smartphones became popular and ARM chips got billions of dollars of R&D put into them. The iPhone sells like double 3DS lifetime sales every single year.

>>385694943

The problem is the revision aspect is only there to get people to double dip and allow them to combine sales figures.

It's all just new age marketing like convincing people gens are tied to graphic fidelity.

>>385695140
Fate/Extellais really cool if you're one of either or both of a giant Type Moon, or a giant Musou fan. Otherwise it's kind of lacking in comparison to other games, but it has cool fanservice for people already fans.

I am Setsuna however is a really cool albeit that grand scale of a fairly classic style RPG. The promotion for the game kind of shot itself in the foot though by comparing itself to Chrono Trigger, which is very grand scale. And it got a lot of critique for being a bit one note etc. And those critiques aren't exactly wrong.
But for what I am Setsuna is, I'd wager it was still a very cool adventure through and through with a world that it explores pretty well. I am mostly excited for their new game though Lost Sphear. I still really liked I am Setsuna, but Lost Sphear looks much less one note and with both more varied and more grand scale content. Granted that most remains to be seen with that game. But it's mainly promising because while I am Setsuna was by no means perfect, it still did lots of things really right.

>>385695480
Generations aren't tied to power whatsoever. But that doesn't make revisions anymore of a new generation.

You can in theory stay with one generation for pretty much forever and just do new revisions for decade after decade after century.

>>385687849
What was the Gamecube gen? That one again since all the games look and play worse since the Wii.

>>385687849
It's got hardware comparable to stuff from 2008

>>385695661

cool thanks anon

Nintendo doesn't follow the generation pattern like sony and microsoft.

>>385695661
>albeit that grand scale of a fairly classic style RPG
albeit not that grand scale of a fairly classic style RPG

Welp. I messed that up. But I might have gotten my point across anyway.
Basically. It's not Chrono Trigger. But it's still a cool classic style RPG.

>>385695852

Except previous hardware configurations in the past, both among consoles and handhelds, would classify as revision is people really wanted to go that route.

Yet the hardware itself has never dictated generations at all.

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>Nintendo got it's ass kicked so hard by the PS4/Xbone when they made the Wii U that they now don't make home consoles anymore

>>385687849
None, is the first hybrid console in the history.

>>385696549
>xbone
>kicking ass to anyone
as expected from tripfag

>>385689451
>>385689893

Iunno. I always looked at the switch as an inevitability regardless of how the WiiU did because I distinctly remember Nintendo saying back around the launch of the Wii that they wanted to shorten the length of a console cycle, while at the same time both Sony and Microsoft were basically going with "this is the last console you will ever need" as the mindset regarding their consoles.

>>385696665
>Higher attachment rates than Wii U
>High hardware sales than Wii U
>More 3rd party support than the Wii U at this

It destroyed Wii U.

>>385687849
Is there any hints at an updated model of the Switch coming anytime soon?

>>385696886
still dead in JP so whatever

>>385696549
Wii U predates the Bone and PS4 by a year.

The real issue was taking too long to adapt their games to high resolution while also having trouble figuring out how to make use of the dual screen / gamepad gimmick.

Also, Switch is next generation console to come after Wii U, as Nintendo's handheld line would not be able to run games at 1080p and have local multiplayer and the likes straight from 1 console itself so simply if it were a 3DS successor.

>>385687849
I'll only buy this once the Dolphin emulator works on it or it get virtual console Gamecube games.

>>385696953
No, but I have some ideas
a) Switch dock pro with output to 1440p and performance upgrades
b) Switch mini, smaller more affordable Switch as a replacement for the 3DS in the inevitable future

>>385696886
>Higher attachment rates than Wii U
What source do you have for this claim?

>>385697176
Because the Wii U is dead and the Xbone is not dead?

>>385697116
>Switch dock pro with output to 1440p
Pointless feature

>b) Switch mini, smaller more affordable Switch
If you're going to make the Switch smaller, its not going to be "more affordable" as it would take some real money to make technological breakthroughs.

>>385696886
The Xbox One have only sold in America.
The Wii U may have underperformed, but at the very least it sold decently world wide.

>>385697280

That's not a source though, especially since the Wii U had good software sales.

Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have disrupted industry tradition so much that we can't really refer to modern consoles by "generation" anymore.

>>385698380
It never really made much sense to lump them together in the first place. But now we've got entire wikis dedicated to keeping track of generations and whatnot and everyone have already doubled down on it.

>>385698380
nah, not really.
Look at PC Engine and SuperGrafx - it never was "solid" generation tradition.

>>385687849
Technically 9th. "Gens" are over with anyways.

>>385687849
9th gen. 3DS and Wii U was 8.

>>385690728

PS3 does not have half the RAM of the 360. PS3's RAM is divided but added up becomes equivalent to 360.

>>385687849

We're in Gen 8.5, which is just like Gen 8 except one of the big 3 fucked up so they're breaking the schedule to plug the hole in their boat.

It's kind of like the Dreamcast all over again, all the way down to the stellar first year of exclusives and ports.

Wouldn't it be closer to 7th gen? The Nvidia shield hardware is old as tits

>>385702335
Still blows me away that stuff like God of War 3 and Uncharted were running on a machine with 256mb of RAM.

>>385702563
The chip the Switch is based on was only made two years ago.

>>385687849
It depends by your definition of generation.
If you think generations are numbered after the power of their hardware, Switch is 8th gen.
If you think they are numbered after the succession of their chronological release, it's 9th gen.

Keep in mind that the least stupid definition is the latter one, not the former one.

>>385702696

Devs can do some crazy shit if they're pushed enough, but keep in mind we're talking about 256mb of VIDEO ram, with audio handled by system ram. PS3's first-party spent quite a bit of time with the hardware, and were able to squeeze a considerable amount of performance from the architecture. Parts of Uncharted 2 were coded in assembly to handle some of the minor calculations using the SPUs, freeing up the CPU for the rest of the game. I could imagine Naughty Dog's collective sigh of relief when they saw the PS4 specs.

>>385687849
It's 9th gen, anyone who says otherwise is just baiting. Just because it comes out a few years earlier doesn't mean it's not part of that generation.

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>>385687849
It's competitors don't see it as a threat.

>>385691560
>The only new game that is treated as AAA is ARMS, and even oogga boogga "suck off Nintendo cock" Etika said the game was shallow and shit.
Whoever he is, he's got shit taste then.

>Splatoon 2 is too much like the original to even call it it's own game.
Ah, bait. Carry on then.

>>385703365
Is that why Sony IMMEDIATELY tried to copyright their own Switch design? Is that why shills have been making bait threads several times a day nonstop about literally every switch game?

Technically it's somewhere between 6th and 7th gen.

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>numbers prove that it's dong better than almost any recent console/handheld despite not being released in holyday season and having shortages(in some places) due to bad planning
>high attatchment rate
>made 1-fucking-2 switch sell over a million copies
>flop

>>385706031
*doing, holiday, attachment
Good night, /v/

Nintendo's console releases since the Wii are so skewed in both time of release and power that even including them in the same "gen" schema as the others doesn't make sense.

why is it so expensive?

I can get a 1080 gpu for the same

8.5/9th Gen

It really depends on if you wanna bunch it with the Pro and X or not.

>>385707128

Actually, its the opposite. Nintendo has been the only one with a consistent gen schedule with the only except being the Wii, which lasted a year too long.

It's Microsoft and Sony that have been altering the meaning of generation in order to cover their fuck ups and greed.