goml smash melee

first for hbox 6-0ing leffen

>>385676207
second for anon is a faggot

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can someone with autism figure out when was the last time Armada dropped a set to a non god besides leffen

i tried tafostats but as usual tafo is a useless dweeb

LA LUNA

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looking for more pics of the five gods' feet please

>>385676207
First for SFAT 6-0ing leffen

>>385676346
>implying Sfat is gonna get past la luna

Moon actually has a direct dl link to M2k right now

Is there anything more pathetic than AZ "memes?"

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Wizzy got sponsored

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Melee is so fucking boring

SOMEONE WEBBUM THAT PLS

kinda rooting for sfat
fyuck hbox

>>385676414
Axe eating that slice of pizza was the best Melee meme of last year you fag

How fucking mad would Leffen get if The Moon somehow gets past Hbox and wins it all?

>>385676258
hobby stores in your area
online, amazon smash 4 or original white japanese controllers are good
from other smashers

>>385676303
Pound IV - He was double eliminated by non-gods (Silentspectre and Amsah)

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>even higher chance of Hbox winning now

MOON DIDN'T CHOKE THANK GOD

L U N A

L A
L U N A

>>385676586
if leffen keeps it up there's no way hbox wins

MOON
BEAT THE PUFF
WIN THE TOURAMENT

Being an SFAT fan is hard.

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>>385676418
Who the fuck are they?

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>marth 3-0 hcux incoming

>>385676586
Leffen spanked his ass are you even watching

>>385676571
>7 and a half years ago
jesus fucking christ

>>385676207
Aint happening. GOML Leffen can't be stopped, especially since Armada isn't there.

>>385676418
Is Wizzy the second Melee player to get a direct sponsor? First being Leffen w/ redbull.

If Moon pulls a miracle and beats Hbox, he'll beat Leffen as well.

When's the last time hbox lost to a marth?

>>385676709
Alex19 is sponsored by WeedMaps

>>385676557
Immediate Marth rant on twitter

Moon literally channeling M2k right now. He can do this.

>>385676708
>GOML Leffen can't be stopped
M2K would've shat on Leffen if he went. He was the closest to beating Leffen at GOML last year even when he was playing like shit.

>>385676557
16 tweets on how Marth is the best character in the game and how it's a 80-20 in Marth's favour.

>>385676762
PewpewU at Apex 2015

>>385676762
PPU at Apex 2015 I think

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>>385676709
First was literally BizarroFlame being sponsored by YouPorn.

>>385676762
Apex 2015

>>385676912
m2k beat him since then I think

hbox, crusher of dreams

>>385676979
doesnt m2k go fox vs puff tho ?

HBox has double eliminated Leffen in grands before right? I'm kinda spooked.

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>tfw will never worship hbox's feet

>>385676979
Not with his marth.

>>385676906
Technically not a direct sponsor since Team YP is a an esports team that's owned by the actual YouPorn.

>>385677041
wtf does he shave his foot?

>so I have an idea
>I'll try a hard call-out counter
>on my last stock
>while jiggs has barely a scratch
Tilt mode engaged.

3rd place is still pretty good for La Luna.

>>385676857
>>385676895
>>385676912
Yet another reason it was the GOAT tournament

>>385677064
Team YP as a label and organization didn't exist until late 2015. Biz was literally sponsored by youporn itself before they made their esports branch.

>>385677182
It's amazing how great how he's gotten so good recently.

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PPMD tag you unfigurative nigger.

>>385677182
absolutely
and frankly, I don't expect anyone but leffen or gods to beat hbox
because nobody else even remotely practices the matchup, everyone else sucks with jiggs anyways

similar reason nobody beats armada

Zain for red marth and PPU for blue, why doesnt he use good marths like Ken and PPMD?

>>385677312
He's gonna do m2k next and then if he makes it to game 4 he'll do ppmd

>>385677339
Probably because he wants to respect the dead.

>>385677352
He did m2k first and he's not gonna make it to game four.

>>385677338
>anyone but leffen or gods to beat hbox
Wizzy, Sfat and Plup are all capable of doing it. At DreamHack Plup double eliminated Hbox with one of those matches including a 3-0

and see you next weekend

Press F to pay respects

Whelp I'm out.

>Get up attack phantom loses Moon the game

How did the moon get so good in such a short period of time

>phantom in to get bodied
F

Leffen has this if he doesn't tilt.

Moon just needs a bit more [luck, skill, practice] to be amazing.

Night guys

>>385677562
Moon lost consistently throughout the match and had no good showing

One phantom means very little outside of maybe getting 3-1

>>385677339
>Ken
>Good Marth

He's the worst out of everyone you listed

>>385677148
faster velocity when kicking chairs.

>>385677628
A little bit of all of them.

>>385677508
Of course upsets are always possible, but still. And "capable" is easy to say - there are like 10-15 people "capable" of winning a major, yet for years it's been the same 6 guys.
But if you're a not quite top tier player, it's almost a waste of time to practice your jiggs matchup in terms of what practice would overall improve your skill and results the most.

>>385677630
kill yourself

Moon should have tried his fox desu
Hbox is just too good vs marth and Moon's fox is very legit.

1st Leff
2nd Hbox
3rd Moon

Perfect ending
Moon was great and has made strides
Hbox not winning

>>385677636
There's a reason I said game instead of set, stop trying to act like a condescending douchebag that wants to show off how "knowledgeable" you are about the game.

The phantom did end up losing him the game too, because if it wasn't a phantom it would have hit and they would have reset to neutral. Because it phantom'd though Moon got put into an edgeguard situation that lost him the game.

>not sticking around to see leffen finally get back to the top
fuck off and don't come back into /v/ smash threads, leffen is our literal one true guy

I hate hbox but him cucking leffen twice in GF would make this beautiful

>>385677641
That's like saying Newton was a bad mathematician for not knowing higher calculus.

>>385677831
:D7

>>385677841
>get back to top
fucking what lolliterally only Hbox there that is on his level
and that matchup he practiced for months
even if he wins it means nothing

>30,000 viewers
How many did Smash 4 get?

>>385677841
I'll cheer for leffen when he stops crying like a little bitch on twitter whenever he loses.

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LET'S FUCKING GO LEFFEN

>>385678030
who gives a shit, fuck off

desu I want hbox to win to see leffen go on another autistic tirade on twitter about a ledge grab limit

>>385678030
Who cares?

>>385678030
kek

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Leffen!!

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Why dont they play on the same telly?

>>385678038
>talking about 2015 leff in 2017
fuck off virgin

>>385678030
>smash 4

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>>385677963
>the state of hbox fans

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Is this the renaissance of 2015 Leffen?

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>>385678112
>telly

>>385678112
screencheating

>>385678113
>I haven't looked at leffen's twitter once since evo

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>Our guy dumpstering the puff

and he's tilted

>>385678112
its the new hit thing
something something player comfort production value something

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>that rest punish

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Go Big Leff!

>>385677779
Most faggots just think Moon had a chance, figured you were one of them

My B

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>hbox wins again

L E T S

G O
O

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L E F F

LET'S GO LEFF

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SAY IT WITH ME

/O U R

G U Y/

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*leffs*

>>385678545
where can i see this girl naked?

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In Canada it's called a twofer D'Ron you screaming negro

memes aside this is a fucking great series

>>385678638
what the fuck is a twofer
canada here

>>385678584
Leffen isnt our guy. Wizzrobe is

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LEFFEN

OUR GUY

FUCK BOX

>>385678749
OUT

>>385678718
Fuck off Torontonian immigrant scum.

leffen pls

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>our boy hbox taking the fight to reddit : the player

>>385678749
this. you fags dont understand that we can only have one guy and its wizzrobe

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goddamn this series

>>385678795
i live in BC you fucking shitbox
everyone in the west laughs at you fucking losers, enjoy sharing breathing air with quebecois and refugees

Why is the crowd audio so shit this year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYEbo1FCKVc#t=12m

You can't hear anything apart from occasionally they will fade the crowd audio in after someone takes the stock then it will be silent again.

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>yfw a non god keeps hbox out of first place for the second major in a row

hungrybox btfo

BIGLEFFBOIS WHERE THE FUCK ARE WE AT

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>hcucks

This is it. Between this and last week this is the fucking end of hbox

>>385678901
>i live in BC

Fuck off Chink faggot

HKEKS BTFO

LEFFEN

LEFFEN

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HBOX BTFO

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>east coast tourney

HE DID IT

WOAH

Can we please add a laser limit already, this shit is ridiculous

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>>385678517
(You)

>>385678901
>bc
how's your crippling drug problem and ridiculously high cost of living?

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>>385678809
>>385678517

HBOXFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

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B I G L E F F
I
G
L
E
F
F

FUCK HKEKS

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Great. Gonna have to start spraying these all over the threads again

tfw bored of watching melee
didn't even care seeing hbox get keked

>>385678937
leffen doesnt count as a non god like plup though. leffen has won multiple majors and beats hcuck regularly

REV UP THOSE TWITTER SCREENSHOTS

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>double eliminated by plup then left in the span of 1 week
Hreddit BTFO

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HBOX WASHED

Hey that's a good reasonable popoff. Pay attention HCuck

HKEKS BTFO

GET ON MY FUCKING LEVEL

THE LEFFBOY POP OFF

ARE WE SEEING 2015 LEFF MAKE A RETURN?

lol Leffen is getting Multi-Tournament conditioning lol

Get that anus lubed up for Smashcon leffucks.

Why the hell do they instantly pan the camera to the crowd instead of the player that won? Are they retarded?

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And Melee prevails at the end.

Anyone got a screenshot of Hbox staring vapidly at the camera as Leffen laughs about his victory?

>>385678916
They have a broken public mic. And The Canada smash scene has a Hyena problem since Nightmare started beef with a the biggest TO in Canada. So now Hyenas (Nightmare's pack) now just scream random shit to everyone playing. This tournament the Heyna's stood beside the spectator mic goml had this year, and would fucking scream like animals in it . Fuck Hyeans. And fuck Nightmare

So I guess hbox is firmly number 3 now, right?

1) Armada
2) Mango
3) Hungrybox

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BIG LEFF

>>385679180
nope, mango not attending shit doesn't put him higher

>>385679057
>left
I meant Leffen.

Leffen only won because M2K wasn't in the tournament.
Hbox only lost because M2K wasn't in the tournament.

>>385679036
>implying any of that affects me
we're not poorfags over here like you. and only retarded homeless people buy that shit on the streets, solving yet another problem for us. meanwhile frenchies breed like rabbits and stacies get raped over in your trash heap.
captcha: for sale southern

>>385679180
Correct.

Armada > Mango > Hbox = Leffen > Plup

>>385679180
1. hbox
2. armada
3. plup
4. mango
5. leffen

leffen hasn't done shit besides this in a long time

>>385679164
I was going for it but was a second too slow. Will get from the replay though

>>385679212
this confirms that hbox is a litteral scrub

mango is clearly #2 now that hbox is irrelevant. giving hbox #3 might be generous desu

I was not expecting this.

gg leffen.

>>385679227
This is actually very true

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>>385679270
>1. hbox
>2. armada
lol

>>385679270
>putting leffen and plup over m2k

someone didn't watch m2k fucking shit all over leffen @ evo

>>385679270
>hbox
>better than Armada

ha

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>2 years ago would've always wanted Leffen to lose
>now rooting for him

Weird

>>385676207
HOLY FUCK HBOX IS A FRAUD. FAT FUCK DESERVES TO LOSE LMAO

>Hbox above Armada
Not even gonna give this shit a (you)

>>385679269
>>385679270
m2k????

>>385679378
Even two years ago I'd have rooted for him if he was the only alternative to hbox.

SOMEONE WEBM UPCLOSE HBOX'S FACE WHEN LEFFEN WAS SHOWING HIS RING

>>385679378
>rooting against leff during peak leff
villain leffen is the most fun melee has ever been

>>385679378
almost like he worked so that the general opinion of him changed

Leffen's so lanky and awkward

>>385679378
He suffered a lot while the Visa thing, last year when he won GOML it was such a fucking amazing win because everyone had pity and doubts about him, definitively a legendary win.

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>>385676207
Hahaha

Dear Smashfags: if you insist on popping up everywhere that real competitive games are also played, please have the courtesy and common human decency to shower. I'm glad that at my local convention where tourneys are held, the Smash room is quarantined away from the other games all the way on the other side of the convention center because when I went in there it smelled like mildew and BO.

leffen so cute

>>385679418
Punished Snake this picture RIGHT NOW.

>>385679270
>putting anyone over armada
Are you the biggest retard on earth anon??

>>385679447
This. 2015 was a hell of a ride.

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RATE THIS TOURNAMENT FROM 1-10

RATE THIS TOURNAMENT FROM 1-10

RATE THIS TOURNAMENT FROM 1-10

So
>Armada
>Hbox
>Leffen
>Mango
>M2K
>Plup
>Axe
?

>>385679557
I think Mango is still better than Leffen

>>385679432
>we used to root for Hbox against Leff

It's like one of those games where the villain becomes good and a party member becomes the actual, ultimate villain.

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>>385679480
>implying you leave your house

>>385679539
solid 7
kinda weak top 8 but a couple of really hype series made up for it

>>385679539
9/10 i love los leffos
>captcha: mexico broad
lol fatbox in tears right now

>>385679539
7.5
The moon and leff were so great

>end credits music similar to anime

lol

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>playing the chill rest music from all star mode as the credits roll

>>385679539
7-8/10 pretty good, especially because of moons losers run. Not as good as last years GOML but still a solid tournament.

>>385679557
one win doesn't put leffen over mango or m2k lmao, m2k still shat on him at evo.

>>385679290
mango may have higher peaks (1st royal flush, 2nd at both g4 and evo) and better record against the top 5, but he has some pretty terrible losses and placings. for hbox's scrubbiness he never fails to place within top 3, and smash and splash was a thing so he's also matched mango's biggest acheivement of winning a tourney over the top 5.

its a toss up, i do think mango will round out the year number 2 but for now hbox is still up

>>385679557
Armada
Hbox
Mango
M2K
Leffen
Plup
Axe
The Moon

>>385679227
Leffen won GOML last year, it was just meant to be.

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>>385679443
UnDramatic recreation of his face

>>385679639
excuse me
more like
generic moeshit copies the fuck out of notable japanese composers

congrats leffen again

>>385679539
Solid 7, based Moon and Leff saved it. Can't wait for an actual major though, EVO was Bo3 and GOML was basically a regional because everyone dropped out.

>>385679539
an 8. Would be a 9, but last year was so much better. Kinda spoils it

>>385679539
made me not go to bed post top 4

i'm feeling a strong 6 to a light 7

>>385679737
This. Smashcon is where we're really going to find out if hbox is finally dropping off or if these last couple tournaments have just been a minor dip.

why is Brawl's bramble blast so good?

whats current song?!

>>385679610
Don't project. If YOU don't leave your house then more power to you but if you come out to the local scenes, please just shower. All I'm asking.

>>385679539
I missed most of it because I was pretty certain of the results and managed to catch top 3. Is any of the rest worth watching?

>1.- Armada
-Big power gap-
>2.- Hungrybox
-small powergap-
>3.-Mang0
>4-.M2k
-normal powergap-
>5.-Leffen
>6.-Plup

What are you guys talking about. Mango's 2nd place this quarter.

>>385679825
I dont think losing to leffen in his hardest matchup constitutes a drop off
he still absolutely destroyed everyone else

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>>385679835
Bramble Blast.

>>385679835
Brawl's remix of Bramble Blast, how have people not heard it? It was the best soundtrack in Subspace easily.

>>385679837
Back to your containment subreddit

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>>385679837

>>385679938
He just lost to Plup before that though, and Leffen hasn't had consistently good results since he finally got back from his long visa-imposed hiatus. It doesn't necessarily mean there's a dropoff happening, but it strongly suggests there could be.

>>385679910
Id agree but there is a small gap between Leff and plup.

>>385679910
How big is the power gap between Plup and Axe?

>>385679539
5
Leffen beating Hbox was neat but none of the other sets were very memorable. Tournament wasn't really a major, we see more stacked CFL regionals.

>>385679959
thanks you based anon

>>385679910
seems accurate

>>385680039
very small

>>385680012
>>385680018
>The concept of hygiene personally offends Smashfags
I wasn't even debating the nature of it as a fighting game and you guys got upset.

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>>385679173

Idk how much is actually nightmare (he seemed like a decent dude when I met him) but he sure isn't doing anything to stop all the blithering faggots from screaming and harassing other players. What's worse is that a lot of the Ontario top players, aside from the guys who were actually on the ontario crew, are jumping on this hyena bandwagon and encouraging this shit.

I remember going to a tourney at sheridan with a top ottawa player who made it to GFs with nightmare and throughout the entire set nonstop these faggots would not stop yelling and screaming shit (even nightmare apologized to the guy after for all the crap).

Fuck these hyena fags

>>385679910

The Moon is 7th.

POST YFW HKEK HAS LOST TWO TOURNAMENTS IN A ROW

>>385680039
You could say that Axe is the better player since he has to do more shit to even the sheik vs pikachu matchup, and he hs been close to winning sets against plup.

>>385679670
>Moon
come on now, hes had a good month but the first half of the year he struggled hardcore. i would still put sfat, axe, and wizzy above him

>>385680036
This year they have been almost equal, overall results are almost they same but leffen has the big advantage that he beats armada, but plup still has the better run this year in dreamhack, but i'd still put leffen over plup

>>385680161
you look fat as fuck

>>385680148
Nightmare's an ego driven retard and the secret punchline to every joke in the GTA Smash scene

>>385680130
(You)

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>no gods
>wow leffen so good xd

he got shit on at evo because he's washed up kids

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>>385680656
>no gods
>beat hbox twice

>>385680656
>leffen is washed
this meme needs to die. its literally just a marth problem, there was a reason the last god leffen took was m2k, despite him being eternally the shittiest.

he's been grinding the matchup like hell lately though

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@385680762
>hbox
>god

>>385680161
post soles

Alright hbros I'm starting to panic, is our guy washed up?

>>385680853
>being this ignorant

also respect your elders

>>385680434
>>385680148
Agreeing with>>385680434
Nightmare is a fucking joke, I remember when he first got big, and was humble. Then EMG had to do a doc about him then it went to shit.

He encourages the Hyena's by defending them on facebook, then wonders why we hate having him at locals. The Canada smash scene was nice and humble, now he stirred up shit with other locals. For no real fucking reason.

Also he is not even that good, anymore, he relies on "hype" more then actually combos. There is a reason why he lost in pools, and had to get lucky till he got shit on by Vro.

Also it's not like the Hyena's reflected that thou. I could hear these fuckers across the venue, screaming because he got a jab, or the ken combo.

>>385680934
He's ready to become 2nd place master again

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>tournament consisted of two washed up shitters playing each other

i think the "level" they're on is where they keep the dumpsters

>>385680828
M2K was better than Hbox in 2014. Leffen was also the best fox at the marth mu for a period in 2015, so blaming the mu seems like a john.

Also doesn't explain his losses to duck and druggedfox.

@385681048
>washed up
nigga

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>hcuck loses to fox once again

>thread this slow despite hbox losing

What happened? Melee threads used to be fast as fuck. Has interest in the game really died off this much?

>>385681151
the tournament is over, anon, and the talent was of a regional anyway

>>385681001

Ah, haven't payed much attention to the GTA scene for a bit so I'm not up to date.

If that's been what's happening fuck that guy.

>>385681151
It wasn't an important tournament. It's the equivalent of M2K beating Hbox at those mvg locals.

>>385681151

Only one god in attendance, the most loathed god.

>>385681151
no gods

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:'^(

>>385681612
what the fuck is he even talking about

>>385681662
Mad that people are cheering for leffen even though he used to be unpopular or something? Who knows

>>385681662
Probably
>muh ledge camping is equivalent to fox lasers
which is of course, obviously bullshit.

>>385681612

WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>Having a thread for every Melee tournament when the top 8 is always the same

>>385681662
>>385681745
He's complaining that people cheered for Leffen when he was laser camping.

>>385681612
>how come people are mad that in order to counter my floaty faggot one touch character you have to do faggy shit like spam lasers

>>385682034
>unironically blaming puff for lazer spam

we've come full circle

>>385681783
It is equivalent. Why is one noskill, nobrain, no excitement technique widely accepted while the other is villified?

>>385682097
I mean Hbox camps against Sopo because of wobbling and blames it on ICs.

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>>385681783
>>385681860
>excessively ledgecamp for 2+ years
>plays """"''agro""""" for half a game while leffen camps
>surprised people don't automatically want him to win
Is he retarded?

>>385682164
It's different because literally the only reason Leffen was playing that way with Fox is that Hbox's Puff forces it.

>>385682097
Puff is a badly designed character that forces one of the two, if not both, to play defensive. Everyone knew this after mango's puff (which people did NOT like btw) so mango dropped puff to become cool and no one else picked the cancerous character until hcuck.

>>385681612
>no I'm not in the spotlight, this community should be all about me! Me! MEEEEE!
go suck on your girfriend's teet, babyman.

>>385682164
Because laser spam is mostly used in the Pufff matchup specifically. It is a weakness to Puff that is abused mostly against her. Ledge stalling is a universally broken technique that is used in every matchup that every character is weak against. Not every character is weak against laser spam.

>>385682164
It's different because ledge camping stalls a game out while laser camping pushes it on faggot.

>>385682292
That's backwards. The reason Jigglypuff is played the way it is played is because that's the only thing her toolset allows. Meanwhile Fox can easily win against Jiggs without laser spam, it's just less safe.

And you can argue about what gimmick forced a response first, but at the end of the day the higher rated/better character is the one that sets the stage, that everyone else has to play around.

>>385682383
Laser spam is purely defensive too and in most cases actually deters action and stalls too because approaching isn't "free".

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>>385681612

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>>385682376
>a princess blocks your argument

>>385682629
Still not the whole cast.

>>385682570
>screencapping the psycho land whale

>>385682684
Actually yeah, you just don't see all the matchups where laser spams hopelessly rapes everyone else because those characters are usually too shit to see play (shit because they're weak to lasers among other things)

>>385682684
Peach is bad against lasers, and also can't camp the ledge. She ruins both claims in your 4chan post, ya numbskull!

>>385682459
>That's backwards. The reason Jigglypuff is played the way it is played is because that's the only thing her toolset allows.
Bullshit. Mango played an aggressive puff and made it work beautifully. Hbox has proven that rushing him with Fox is a bad strategy. You know it's serious when even Mango has started hanging back and firing lasers in that matchup.

The point is that if you took Hbox's puff out of the equation, stalling would not be an issue, but that's not the case with literally any top player's Fox.

>>385682843
>mango played an aggressive puff
No he didn't you retard. He just got away with more because players were unfamiliar with the equation.

And if you take hbox out of the equation, you have one less viable character in the game. Great idea.

>>385682842
How does Peach not being able to camp ledge invalidate that Puff camping ledge is universally broken?

>>385682965
unfamiliar with the matchup, fuck

>>385682843
>mango's 2009 puff being relevant at all in the meta today
He would get his shit kicked in by any fox in the top 100.

>>385682990
I thought you were referring to ledge stalling across every character. Your argument is still wrong, as Puff still can't ledgecamp vs Marth.

>>385683231
>as Puff still can't ledgecamp vs Marth
yes she can

>>385682965
Yes he did. Why don't you try actually going back and watching his puff in action instead of basing your opinion on 2017 theorycrafting.

I never suggested that Puff should be taken out of the equation. I was making a point as to why the hate hbox gets isn't hypocritical, that's all. His style is defensive by default and people don't like that, so when other normally aggressive players adopt a defensive style purely to deal with it, it's not hypocritical for people who don't like defensive play to still root against him since he's the source of it.

In reality the thing Hbox doesn't get, and apparently what a lot of people here don't get, is that the hate he receives isn't all about his play style. That's just an easy thing to go after him for. It's because of his insufferable personality just as much though. If he were a really likable guy in the first place people could look past it and enjoy his company outside of the game even though they'd still root against him in game.

Leffen is a perfect example of a character who rolled with the hate he justifiably received, even played it up, and is now much more widely liked because his actual behavior changed. Hbox should learn from that instead of getting salty that he didn't get the same result even though he's the same person.

>>385683312
You're objectively wrong and I started to write a paragraph explaining how marth can beat all of puff's options but then I just decided to say fuck you kiddo.

>>385683078
Well obviously, since he hasn't played puff in years. The point wasn't to suggest mango's puff would dominate in today's meta, it was to point out that there's no reason jiggs can't be played aggressively.

If your argument is that defensive is the optimal way to play her, I'm inclined to agree, but that wasn't the argument I was responding to.

>>385683767
>there's no reason jiggs can't be played aggressively.

Yes there is - any upper half tier character familiar with the matchup is gonna push your shit in.

>>385683767
my b ur cool

>>385683912
Did you not watch Moon and Hbox 2 hours ago? Hbox was constantly in Moon's space and forcing him to the ledge. He does this vs every Marth. You can be aggressive without constant shield pressure and strings.

>>385684173
That's because Moon had little clue and experience as Marth vs Jiggs.

>>385684173
Marth also has a much harder time escaping the corner, and the ledge is not a safe position vs him. Hbox plays similarly more agressive vs peach, because passive play presents opportunities for her to pull turnips and she has bad corner options.

Different matchups require different gameplans. Hbox's actions in the marth mu aren't relevant to his plays vs fox. You're trying to group apples and oranges together as the same fruit.

>>385684649
Not him, but you did say
>any upper half tier character

>>385684276
It's not Moon exclusive. He does it to every Marth.
>>385684649
>Jiggs can't be played aggressively because she'd get destroyed by any top tier
>No those top tiers don't count
There's a time and place for all playstyles, limiting yourself to one style is how you actually get destroyed. Puff can be played aggressively, and to a higher efficiency, in certain MUs/scenarios. This goes for all the top 4-6 characters having a dual playstyle be viable.

>>385685130
>>385685257
I'm a different person.

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>>385679378
Wow M2K is so strong

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>>385681612
Laser camping is way more punishable than ledge camping for 5 minutes, and each spurt of laser camping lasts for less time than ledge camping. And it adds damage, whereas ledge camping does not. They are very different things.

Now that the dust has settled