Pick one.

SC - better game
Big Boss - better character

I get it. Theyre both fake versions of the main character. I pick fake boss.

>>385669198
blacklist is infinitely better than The Shitstained Pain.

Contrarianism 101: Pick Splinter Cell over MGS for the stupidest, pettiest reasons knowing full well Kojima made the superior tactical stealth series in every measurable way imaginable.

The Metal Gear Solid series has roughly two games that are largely considered bad in it's mainline titles (4 and 5) whereas Splinter Cell really only has one (Conviction. Maybe, MAYBE you can argue Double Agent 360).

Blacklist shits on MGS5 from skyscrapers so

>>385669198
MGSV

I know the story just drops off but what was there is good, the only reason people are upset that the story shits itself is because they liked the rest. There wouldn't be this much anger towards it if it was just a plain old shit game.

Splinter Cell on the other hand is a full game that is just mediocre.

Reminder that Chaos Theory alone has more intricate and deep stealth mechanics than the entire MGS series combined.

had bit more fun with MG games

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>>385669198
Splinter Cell.

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>>385670440
>MGS
>tactical, stealth

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>>385669198
legit spinter cell 1-3 i would take over the entire MGS series any day of the week

Sam has banter

>>385670440
Kojidronism 101: Pick MGS over objectively superior stealth games like Splinter Cell or Thief because you're a mentally stunted weeb manchild who thinks dumping highshool philosophy is videogames makes them deep as fuark

>>385670806
>tfw no Grim hatefuck DLC
One job, Ubi.

according to deathbattle snake beats sam (((fisher)))

I really enjoyed the Blacklist story. That whole last mission when SPOILERS


it's revealed that you were the Black guy and Sam was baiting everyone was great. I never thought Blacklist would be better than MGSV.

>>385671390
Raiden?

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>>385670978
this. Metal Gear just barely managed to reach late 90's standards of stealth game quality when Kojima got shitcanned for wasting too much money on digitizing his dutch 3dwaifu.

>>385671675
>thief
My nigger. Play The Dark Mod, by the way. TDM is probably the best stealth game at the moment and it's free and open source.

>>385671390
How did the bad guy not recognize Sam as one of the hostages?

>>385669198
Splinter cell

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>>385670440

>better controls, camera and gameplay
>stupid, petty reasons

>>385671390
>BLACKEDLIST
What did they mean by that?

Whenever I try to stealth in MGSV, I usually fail and instantly get spotted, figuring out how to escape and fight through is usually the best part

>>385672207
Not funny. Try again.

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Blacklist was so surprisingly good, I'm so disappointed Ubi dropped the franchise in favor for endless Asscreeds. Obviously it wasn't as good as CT, lacked Sam banter, etc. but it had plenty of qualities.

>>385672723
I wonder why they didn't include guard interrogations. It would both be a recon mechanic and would let some of Sam's dark humor show.

>>385672723
They couldn't figure a way to put unlockable towers into the game so they had to can it.

>>385673287
Don't forget season pass DLC bullshit. Much easier to implement it for an online game.

>>385672723
They said there's another coming and the franchise isn't dead. Looking forward to it.

I'm sad Prince of Persia is dead though

>>385669198
Why is Big Boss the resident husbando of /v/? Sam is better desu.

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>>385669613
fpbp

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why this comparison anyway?

Styx shards of darkness is better than mgsv and blacklist

>>385672723
This was a good level. That fucking Christmas song though.

>>385672207
The black dude is a total cuck in the game though.

>>385671350
They don't hate each other anymore at the end of BL.

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Okay, which one?

>>385679525
Big Boss can easily do without Quiet. Grim basically provides everything Sam needs.

>>385679525
grim. not even a contest.

>>385669198
Splinter cell obviously.

>>385679525
Always had a crush on grim. She's clever and hot as fuck. Mgs5 made me cringe with the whole quiet stuff.

>>385669198
>nu Sam vs. mutesnake
I'll pass.

>>385669613
>Big Boss
>Character
Kojimadrones need to off themselves. Big Boss was barely a character at all, and that's not even Big Boss, that's his even blander copy. Even Solid Snake has more personality and he's a clone.
Sam is one charming motherfucker, at least in the old games.

>>385681373
> Big Boss was barely a character at all

yes, he was

lol

>>385681482
Yeah, barely. He had the personality and charm of a wet sock.

>>385681273
Nu-Sam is underrated.

>>385669198
Early games are a tie. Later games go to SC for sure.

>>385681734
Stop that shit, you know they removed all trace of a character from Sam in the latest game. I don't care if it's a decent game, that has nothing to do with the character assassination they did. Ironside is Sam.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrvEWWYLDHM

>>385681807
Ironside, however, is terribly overrated as a videogame voice actor. He has a cool voice, but sounded out of place as Sam. And no, BL wasn't my first Splinter Cell.

>>385669198
No.

>>385669198
Fisher, no contest.
If, and only if, it's first three games Fisher. Double Agent onward can fuck off.

>>385681807
He was disappointing, but not obnoxiously bad.

>>385681373
That's ground zeroes big boss you dumb fuck, not venom.

>>385681807
>I don't care if it's a decent game

You should be aware that it isn't. It's a shitty action/stealth hybrid that doesn't know what kind of game it wants to be.

>want to go do a pure ghost run? too bad, you have to knock out or shoot dudes every 5 feet

People who defend Blacklist started the series with Conviction.

>>385669198
I loved the co-op playthrough with Archer and Kestrel in Conviction

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>tfw Agent 47 is doing the best out of all the stealth protagonists
We don't talk about Garrett.

>>385669198
Prequel/reboot with young cocky sam and chaos theory gamplay but deeper when?

>>385682939
>It's a shitty action/stealth hybrid that doesn't know what kind of game it wants to be.

Interesting. That's exactly how I felt about TPP, practically no stealth system in place or required.

>>385669198
Splinter Cell because the co-op is great fun but I will always love Big Boss/Venom Snake's design.

>>385682939
>People who defend Blacklist started the series with Conviction.
I probably have shit taste but I preferred Conviction over blacklist, Blacklist played like one those terrible day time spy shows

>>385682939
No, you don't. There are a few scripted parts where you HAVE to deal with enemies, but overall you can complete the missions without disturbing a soul.

>>385683401
That's funny, considering how much Conviction borrowed from 24.

>>385682964
>Snake(s)
>47
>Garrett
>Sam Fischer
How come stealth games always have such great protags? Is it because not making them mindless murder machines allows the characters to breathe?

>>385681685
>Can't tell each Snake apart

>>385683574
>here are a few scripted parts where you HAVE to deal with enemies
>a few

How many times do you think is 'a few'? Because it was really fucking dumb just how often it happened.

>first mission where you have to clear the room with the corpse
>same again in the interrogation room at the police station
>do the same thing AGAIN when you're escorting kobin out
>mansion in south america when you have to escort the guy to the boat
>sequence when the plane gets downed where you have to defend it from attackers
>part where you have to kill everyone around the bomb van
>part where you have to fight through a subway train
>the FPS section
>the part where you're flying over Tehran shooting motherfucking missiles at cars
>part where you're chasing that guy on foot while dudes are shooting at you

You probably haven't played it in a while and don't remember, but there are a lot of parts where you rack up a bodycount, whether through lethal or non-lethal means. The game is pretty much a shitty TPS half the time.

>>385684106
Those are one or two scripted instances per level. Some of them are necessary to drive the plot forward. Some of them are totally dumb, like the FPS section. It's not like the older SC games had absolutely zero confrontations.

>>385669198
Lambert, I'm already a demon.

>>385683674
They're intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.

>tfw Conviction had jiggle mechanics
muh dick

>>385685091
Wait what

>>385685351
notice Grims tits jiggle physics after Sam gets interrogated at the airfield missions

>>385684921
>Those are one or two scripted instances per level

Yeah, and it's garbage. It's a pretty big step backwards when Chaos Theory was trending towards being able to complete missions with ever interacting with people. Why is Blacklist worse in that regard than a game released 10 godamn years ago?

>Some of them are necessary to drive the plot forward
Doesn't excuse it.

>It's not like the older SC games had absolutely zero confrontations.

Sure, like in Pandora Tomorrow where you had to grab the rebel leader guy. The difference is that still felt like a stealth game - you had to sneak up to and capture Sadono alive, not just mark him and trigger your epic slow mo cutscene kill.

It's not like I'm complaining that Blacklist has you knock guys out every so often. It's that it throws you into situations where you have to do it to entire fucking groups of people. It's dumb and isn't particularly satisfying for someone who isn't a 12 year old.

>>385685614
Ah, sadly Conviction Grim was her worst model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNUsgkL95Pg
>leave sam to me

>>385669198
I wish they'd release Pandora Tomorrow on Steam now that there's a fix for modern systems. I guess piracy is an option but a legitimate means would be nice too.

>>385683907
>Is too retarded to engage in discussion.
Big Boss was an autist with no personality even in MGS3. I'm guessing you share the same ailment yourself.
Hell, he showed more personality in the last few minutes of MGS4 than in any other game ever.

>>385671390
I wish that they had you playing as the black guy from the start with Sam in mission control, then have Sam playable in the last level.

>>385686590
Oh god no. That dude was even blander than nu-Sam and managed to get on my nerves with his constant comments even during the 5 minutes we had to play as him in the Philly level.

>>385684991
Only in the unironic sense. All four of those examples also qualify as escapist-type characters.

>>385683647
And Bourne.

>>385669198
Splinter cell holds nothing to metal gear.

>>385669198
take your linear entertainment somewhere else. open world tactical stealth is the new standard now.

>>385682964
Absolution would have been so much better if there were more open-ended levels like Chinatown and less emphasis on following a narrative that makes 47 look like an amateur killer.

>>385683647
That's a prime time chrome show

>>385676285
Damn right.

The last part where you must disable the bombs had me on the edge of my seat from all the tension and hype.
Blacklist managed to nail a very fun aggressive stealth gameplay which I'd like to see more of in a more polished game. Maybe with better optimization and without content locked in Uplay shit.

Sam has the better games mostly.
Big Bossu is the better character.

>>385688220
Solid Snake maybe, but Big Boss? Naw bruh.

>>385669198
How well could Sam do at infiltrating Mother Base, and how well could Big Boss do at infiltrating Third Echelon HQ?

>Big Boss
>good character
Whats with this meme?
>near silent autist

>>385688596
>Fisher
Witty as fuck, all up in that gallows humor. Makes the dryest pussy wet with his amazing charm and intelligence.
>Big Autist
Can only repeat the last words of what other people say, a very telling sign that he is not experienced with talk and banter with other people. Often says dumb shit, and his only learned topics are juvenile /k/ crap. The average virgin will emphasize heavily with this character because of these qualities he exhibits.

>>385686571
Fuck you. Remember the hospital prologue? BB made a few remarks here and there.

>>385691196
don't forget the PW codec calls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaABZqW4DNg