You're still getting it, right?

On Freeshop. The amiibo shit is inexcusable.

yep

>>385639079
Yes

I was always going to pirate it, I'll let you all pay for it for me.

>>385639079
if you mean pirate it. yes

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The CIA?

Ofc

Metroidvania: Lords of Shadow 3: Samus Returns

>>385639079
Day 1 pirate.

How do I pirate the amiibo shit? Yes I want to pirate everything about this. FUCK Nintendo.

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Only if it's good.

>>385639079
I'm gonna download the CIA file, gonna save my pennies for Prime 4

Which one is better Fusion or ZM?

I'm gonna buy a 3DS just to play it.

>>385639079
I'm pirating it but only because I'm poor, not because I have some autistic vendetta against the game.

>>385639079
Obviously. I love the series and I don't give a shit how hard it's anti-shilled on /v/

>>385640302
Zero mission. Fusion is absolute shit

ITT: Naive people who have not played Mirror of Fate

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>>385640115
2 ways iirc

The first way depends on how amiibos are implemented

If its a simple switch with files you'll be able to pirate it when someone makes a seperate CIA specifying that it includes(Fusion Mode, Gallery etc etc). It'll just all depend on if turning on amiibo shit is a flip of a switch in the code.

The second way is tagmo and NTAG cards. Its on android phones and 3DS

https://gbatemp.net/threads/beta-thenaya-tagmo-for-3ds.475870/

The next thing you'll need are NTAG cards/chips. Theyre a buck a pop so youll have to spend around 4 bucks to unlock everything. Next youll have to wait for soemone to upload the Samus Returns amiibos here: https://nfc-bank.com/bins.php The smash bros ones are already up. Then you'll just scan the cards with the amiibos bins and use them on your 3DS to unlock shit

>>385640636
I've played the first LoS which was pretty fun, solid 7.5/10.

>>385640168
It's confirmed not. It's been outsourced to Mercury Shit.

>>385640068
This. Fuck it looks so bad.

>>385640115
So do all of us bro. We want to pirate everything about nu-shitendo.

>>385640659
Not enough to go against this game. We want the series dead.

>>385639079
Yup buying the game and a New 3DS XL.

>>385639079
Probably not. Amiibo-locked difficulty is HUGELY disappointing.
I'm not bothered at all by art galleries or item drops or other unnecessary shit being amiibo content but I am not interested in buying plastic DLC so I can unlock fucking hard mode.

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>>385640697
>We want the series dead.
We do?

>>385640659
never knew about that site neat thanks

>>385640115
You scan the thing

>>385640796
was "nu-shitendo" not enough of a red flag for you that he's a seething anti-Nintendo shitposter

>>385640636
I played the demo and lost interest.

>>385639079
I'll pirate it. Too many red flags

>>385640896
If we want the series dead then why were people begging for a new Metroid game for the past ten years? Seems a tad contradictory to me.

I am, and I'll only get the Metroid amiibo if the game is actually any good

>>385640685
Shit taste lol
Go die

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>mods deleted the other thread

cant make fun of bullshit pratices if its about Nintendo apparently

>>385640697
Why do people even fall for blatant ACFag posting? You can spot this guy from 30 other posters with pretty much no effort at all

>>385640989
Shitposters anon.

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>>385641062
Or maybe because you're a fucking retard that posts an image that acts like you are FORCED to buy all of that.

I understand locking content behind toys is stupid and a lot of the stuff should be main game, but you're a fucking idiot.

>>385641062
Who fucking cares about hard mode? Go play SM impossible if you want an le epik challenge. The DLC shit is truly optional or feature expansion.

Eat shit retards.

>>385640896
>nu-nintendo is an issue

That's strange, I remember enjoying Breath of the Wild and Splatoon 2 recently, huh.

>>385641423
If you want the FULL experience (which the other games offered as reward for completing the game once for free) you have to buy it. Its dumb. Dont defend it

>SotN ripoff
Fuck off, never was gonna buy it anyway

>>385641610
>An optional game mode is the full experience

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>>385641610
>FULL experience
The art gallery and sound test will all be online less than 24 hours after the game is released.

I'll be pirating it and probably drop it after an hour, I'm looking forward to this incoming trainwreck, no doubt /v/ will blow up yet again and Metroid will be a laughing stock until Prime 4

>>385641610
Are you that mentally retarded that you didn't read the second half of my post. No, that's also not considered the "FULL experience", I have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, to correct that image, you might as well take the QR scanner thing off because I'm pretty sure the only shit on the market right now are the New 3DS', so it's you're fault you're about 3 years behind on the latest technology.

>>385641812
Why did /v/ hate all vidya even though it should be the opposite?

>>385639079
Yes, I have it reserved

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>>385641483
>Who fucking cares about hard mode?
If it's not fun, why bother?

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>>385641610
>FULL experience
Stop repeating what others say

>>385639079
pirate obviously. do people still actually pay for 3DS games...?

>>385641698
>>385641716
>>385641905
>>385642269
keep defending a corporation faggots

>>385640697
>We

>>385642269
OMG I'M DONE

Not defending, just shitting on retards.

>>385642354
Keep blatantly shitposting, can't wait for /v/ to get BTFO once this game releases. For every ten points it gets on Metacritic I'm going to buy another copy.

>>385641062
The worst thing is you can't even get the amiibos

>>385641610
You could at the art galleries when the game releases, you can listen to sound test online, and you can look at the Fusion Suit model online as well.

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>>385640697
don't fall for it

>>385642671
BUT BUT MUH FU-FUSION MODE

>>385642354
Don't bother. Those are likely the same people that were OK with NoA cutting content from Fire Emblem Fates last year.

>>385639079
When is it out?

>>385642659
You know these things are easily hacked, right?

>>385639079
Got the legacy edition pre-ordered stay mad poorfags

>>385642954
September 15th

Every time I see these post makes me want to buy all the fucking amiibos

>>385639079
Damn right I am.

>>385641423

Why defend it? WHY DEFEND IT?

>>385640302
Zero Mission is good but Fusion is better. ZM is shorter and far too easy.

>>385640998
He's right though.

>>385639079
>buy a GB/GBC/GBA
>buy Metroid II
And there you go, there's your game

>>385643958
Not him but nah he's not.

>>385639079
Fuck no. Even if I pirated 3DS games I wouldn't bother with this.

>>385643921
Want to know how I know you've never done a 10% reverse boss order in ZM?

>>385644129
Except he is. It's a solid game and the best 3D installment in the series. Lament was okay but a 6 at best. CoD was mediocre and the 64 games were subpar. And LoS2 is atrocious and one of the worst games in the series.

>>385643908
They will defend every single thing Nintendo. Nintendo can require them to but another Switch to unlock hard mode and they will gladly do so.

No. But not because of the amiibo stuff.

It's a remake of a game I never cared about to begin with. Also it's a 3DS game.

>>385644319
Because I'm not autistic? If you need to jump through such hoops to make a game challenging then guess what? It's too fucking easy.

>>385639079
Yes, but I will not buy the Amiibos
Well maybe one

>>385644402
Ok now I midly agree with you. Though I supposed Lament of innocence wasn't that bas

>>385644468
>Because you're shit
Fixed that for you, ZM has more replayability than any other Metroid because of all the crazy runs you can do.

>>385644605
>>385645013
As I said, if you need to jump through hoops to get any kind of challenge out of the game then it's too easy. I can do a blindfold run of Wind Waker and maybe that will actually be tricky. It's still a piss-easy game. I can handicap myself in MGSV by not using guns to create my own challenge, but it's still an easy game despite that. I love Zero Mission but it is a fact that it's both easy and short.

>>385646237
Ever consider that the problem is you and that the term easy is very subjective?

>>385641062
aren't we not even certain if hard mode is really locked behind the amiibo yet? What if hard mode is unlocked normally after you beat the game and the amiibo just unlocks it early

>>385646845

>>385646692

>>385640302
Fusion is more difficult and much more linear than most Metroid games, whereas Zero Mission is much easier and gives you more freedom to explore. They're both good, but I'd probably recommend ZM before Fusion.

So what happens if there isn't a sequel due to low sales?

>>385641062
The art galleries in Prime 1, 2 and I think 3 were all unlocked by filling out your logbook data.

>>385647391
The 2d are never going to get sequel anyway. How many years has it been since Fusion? Remake doesn't count

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>>385648014
15

>>385647391
It will sell over a million copies and we will get a sequel to Metroid Fusion. The fact that they are remodeling the Fusion Suit is a hint.

>>385648014
This is what happens when you miss those Sakamoto interviews.

>>385648460
>The fact that they are remodeling the Fusion Suit is a hint.

the one that went away at the end of fusion

>>385648601
Samus is still wearing the suit at the end of the game, it just has the same color scheme as the Varia Power Suit, she just no longer has Metroid DNA.

>>385648014
>The 2d are never going to get sequel anyway.
Wrong, Metroid Dread is finally going to get developed after SR is a massive hit.

>>385649084
dread won't take place after fusion

>>385650647
>Metroid Dread was a 2D side-scrolling action-adventure video game by Nintendo, intended for release on the Nintendo DS handheld game console. It was to be the next entry in the Metroid series of video games, and a sequel to the 2002 Game Boy Advance title Metroid Fusion.

>>385650817
>was

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>>385639079
Preordered the day it went up, there are no other actual Metroid fans on /v/ but me. Contrarians please gas yourselves.

>>385641062
In Metroid Prime 3 I needed tokens from friends to unlock everything. What the FUCK was that shit

>>385650885
There's no other spot in the timeline for a new Metroid game to take place unless they keep adding isolated missions like they did with the Prime trilogy. Everyone wants to know what happens after Fusion anyways.

>>385651207
>There's no other spot in the timeline for a new Metroid game

there is an indefinite amount of time between 1/2 and 3/4

I hope it sells like shit so annoying Metroid fags will finally kill themselves. You twats are worse than DMC fans.

>>385651207
>thinking people don't want isolated missions like the Prime trilogy

I don't want any more of this galactic federation boogeyman bullshit. Fusion was a fine end, Samus went off to an unspecified future that may or may not be made into further games. I'm fine with how it ended. Give me shit like Sylux that actually has a good reason to be resolved, give me independent missions. The "GF is evil everyone is bad fuck the system up" route that Fusion and Other M took was not one I cared for in the first place and is not somewhere the series absolutely needs to go.

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>>385651319
Good thing no one wants that.

>>385646751
Nah the problem is bad balancing. You can continue to pretend the game isn't a cakewalk though since you clearly have your fanboy goggles on.

>>385651463
>A cliffhanger is a fine end

>>385651463
There's no reason a game can't take place after Fusion and still be solitary and isolated. They could have her become an outcast or be exiled or something because of the X mutations.

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>>385639079
Of course. I'm so happy to own a 3DS and have so many great games to play unlike fans of other consoles.

>>385651319
I'm glad Sakamoto wants to push the series forward after Samus Returns, you want games in between Metroid 1 and 2, go play the Prime series. Some of us actually want a Metroid 5.

>>385651675
It literally is not a cliffhanger. Write a fanfiction if you're not fine with that being the ending. While you're at it, get a dictionary so that you can learn what words mean.

>>385651710
I agree, absolutely. There is no reason that there couldn't be a game after Fusion. All I'm saying is that the series is at its best anyway when it's set in isolated missions exploring new planets.

>>385651923
Oh okay then I agree completely. Nevermind.

>>385651923
>Samus discovers the Galactic Federation were using the X parasite for experiments
>Destroys the research station in orbit around SR388
>Now wanted by Galactic Federation
>Game ends

>Not a cliffhanger

>>385651875
This.

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>>385652242
>thinking that's a cliffhanger instead of just a basic sequel hook

You are like a little baby. You know nothing of cliffhangers. You know absolutely nothing.

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Had it pre-ordered the second it became available.
But I'm totally using NTR to unlock the bonuses. Fuck amiibo.

>>385640659
>first method
That is exactly how amiibo work. They just change a flag in the game code saying "oh hey you have that? here ya go it's unlocked."
It'll be easy as shit to cheat that shit open or import EXT Data with it unlocked.

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>>385653897
>always buy games from nintendo because they make good games
>amiibos come out
>literally aren't video games
>expected to buy these not-video-game objects to enjoy my video games fully
>do it without paying instead

Morally I do not think I can be reprimanded for this behavior

I have also preordered SR SE

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>>385654201
Exactly.

I was quit when they showed footage and I'm twice as quit now.

>>385639079
Yes, of course, why wouldn't I?

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100%
I'll try to get the metroid amiibo too

>>385639079
Only if they explain what's going on with the amiibo situation, since I rather buy Pokken Deluxe & Gold again at this rate for the same amount of money.

>>385657608
They did explain it, Nintendo clarified yesterday that the amiibo-locked content cannot be gotten without amiibo

>>385657702
Was that Nintendo of Europe? Or Nintendo of America?

>>385657840
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-07-26-metroid-samus-returns-has-exclusive-content-for-four-amiibo

>>385639079
Preordered both the game and amiibos.

>>385657931
Well, this sucks to read. Nearly a decade for a new 2D Metroid just to have it ruined by actual corporate greed and an entire development team that didn't have the balls to point out how horrible that idea was.

Now I wait to see how badly they're gonna fuck up Metroid Prime 4, since it'll probably use the same amiibos.

>>385658319
Get an action replay powertagger for $30 or use an android phone to write your own NFC.

>>385658421
Get NTR CFW and a plugin and unlock it for free.

>>385658494
I want to be able to play things online without being banned though

>>385658421
It's not even that, since by this point I just buy cheap amiibo cards from China as a fuck you to Nintendo while having something decent to display; I don't even know how to feel about buying the game since it could encourage them to do this again.

They already did it to the recent FE with exclusive dungeons, so no clue how this is gonna spread and fuck things up over time.

>>385658571
I have yet to be banned, and it's piss easy to unban yourself.

>>385639079
torn between getting a n2ds and a n3ds
the easier micro-sd access is nice, but those colored buttons get my dick hard. also the color scheme of the n2ds is shit.

>>385639079
nah Im still mad they shut down AM2R

>>385658690
The way I see it they're going to look at game sales separately from amiibo sales with these situations. Game sales indicate interest in the game itself, while amiibo sales indicate interest in the amiibo. Now, regardless of what anyone here does, amiibo are going to sell very well compared to how much they're stocked. This is a known phenomenon. Just don't buy the amiibo to pad the sales numbers on those any higher, and do buy games even if they use amiibo if those games interest you. I think that's the best thing to do.

Honestly fuck locking content behind amiibo but I have always liked Metroid and I am not going to pirate the game out of spite when the game itself will be good. I will, however, refuse to buy amiibo and instead unlock the content for myself anyway.

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>>385639079
Yeah, why not?

>>385639079

I was always going to pirate it and enjoy the Amiibo content for free with a save edit, so yes.

>>385644319
Want to know how I know you've never done a 1% Hard run of Fusion?
>10%
Get the good version of the game next time.

Wanting to get into Metroid, which ones should i play?

>>385659317
Start with Zero Mission.

>>385658571

Just dont play use software such as FBI , Homebrew Launcher or games that werent released on the 3DS (Such as old GBA games) while online and dont play games online before they are released.
If you do get banned, it is easy as hell to unban yourself.

>>385659317
Play them in release order.

>>385659536
As it stands I already own pretty much everything on 3DS I care to though. I have nothing to pirate, even if I did want to, and the thing I would want to get is MHXX (which is untranslated) if anything at all. I have a Switch anyway, so I could just import that version and not fuck around with it.

>>385659317
start with super and prime 1

branch off from there

>>385639079
Yeah, it's just a real shame that they pulled this amiibo shit for this title though. I'll be less upset if physical copies come with that amiibo like other 3DS games but even then this is a terribly anti-consumer.

>>385659536
>Just dont play use software such as FBI , Homebrew Launcher or games that werent released on the 3DS (Such as old GBA games)
I have done and still do all these things and still have yet to be banned. We still don't actually know the trigger for that banwave a few months back.
But you're right, it's super easy to unban yourself.

>>385659667

Fair enough, just letting you know bans arent a big deal. If you do have everything you need, then yeah, theres not much point.

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>>385659723
>Starting with anything other than ZM

>>385660902
super and prime are the quintessential metroid experiences

>>385640697
>It's been outsourced to Mercury Shit.
mercurysteam is only doing the technical stuff. the design is still being done by sakamoto's team.

>>385660953
No Metroid controls as well as ZM.

>>385639079
I have AM2R so no

yeah, and the squishy metriod as well. locked content is a shit move tho

>>385660953
ZM is the most accessibly Metroid experience.

>>385661241
ZM's are easier to pick up and control but Super and Prime are much more rewarding to master.

>>385661241
that's great and all but exploration is a far more important aspect than controls

>>385661294
ZM on normal and SM are equally easy as piss

>>385661356
ZM has far more non linearity purposefully built into it than both Super and Prime, Prime is entirely linear with the exception of the Artifacts at the end.

>>385639256
Then don't buy the Amiibo?

I don't understand why you're punishing the game for it.

H

>>385661445
non linearity =/= exploration

>>385661450
>hide a difficulty mode behind a 13 dollar toy
>why is everyone mad?

retard

>>385661356
Do challenge runs. That's why the sequence breaking exists.

>>385661445
ZM has it artificially bolted on. Super has it organically built in. Prime had it as an oversight that was gradually rectified, but in its original incarnation it wasn't really that different from Super.

>>385661539
>>why is everyone mad?

No, faggot, why are you not going to pay for a game because they're being greedy with their stupid toys? You're throwing the whole thing under the bus because of an extraneous piece of tat.

>>385661602
>Do challenge runs. That's why the sequence breaking exists.

not an excuse you can do challenge runs in every game

>>385661732
>why are you not going to pay for a game because they're being greedy with their stupid toys

because it's the same company who pushes the bullshit. Are you this dumb?

>>385661748
Challenge runs don't other games nearly as much as they do Super Metroid. Both platforming and combat are fundamentally different once you start skipping items. It's practically a whole new experience.

>>385661836
If the Amiibo sales are low, they won't keep pushing them.

Of course they won't be but take a stand against what's actually pissing you off.

Or do you think M:SR is going to be mediocre in its own right? I can understand wanting to pirate a game because you don't have high expectations for it.

>>385661851
*don't change

>amibo dlc

no, fuck you.

FUCK YOU.

You will not get a fucking dime, not a red cent from me.

You will not have me buy a single god damn thing ever from you.

As a company YOU ARE BLACK LISTED.

>>385661602
A lot of Prime's sequence breaks come from stuff like out of bounds clipping and infinite Morph Ball glitching, the only skill based thing was scan dashing whereas ZM and SM have wall jumps, bomb jumps, damage boosting and Shinesparking which are all intentional.

ZM also has it far more intentionally built in than SM, in SM you need to do stuff like Mockballing to do most challenge runs.

>>385662020
Then blame Xbox gamers, Sony gamers, and PC gamers for letting expansions and DLC ruin the industry. Stop giving everybody else money too.

>>385662183
>Stop giving everybody else money too.

not a problem

>>385661602
Super's was just as much an oversight as Prime's.

No, because I'm not a pussy that thinks the original Metroid 2 is too hard.

Fuck no. It looks and plays just like Other M. They took an already linear game and further casualized it by scripting the metroid encounters and putting teleporters everywhere. Seriously, the original game is going to be more fun than this.

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>>385662286
>AoS and SotN have teleporters in them
>/v/ declares them as GOAT in the genre

>Add teleporters in a game with an already very linear map (AM2R even had them)
>It's bad

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>>385662251
Every thread somebody says this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6AL3Vml40s
Every thread I must prove them wrong.

>>385662606
what does this prove? Do you seriously think they didn't know you could walljump vertically? the etecoons just show you the easiest way

>>385662860
Sequence breaking in Super was not an oversight.

>>385662606
Wall Jumping is an purposefully programmed mechanic. Same with Bomb Jumping.
Many uses of it to sequence break are not.
Like, for example, horizontal bomb jumping across The Moat or doing a pixel perfect Wall Jump off the Missile Tank pillar in the same room.

>>385662286
>It looks and plays just like Other M.

This is what has me concerned. Seeing Samus flip around and stylish defeat enemies reminds me a lot of Other M. I feel like it's going to disrupt the nice, haunting atmosphere Metroid games are good at.

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>>385662908
Nor was it in ZM.

>>385662270
>No, because I already played [other game]
What kind of retarded reason is that?

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>>385662916
It's purely a matter of skill. Those are perfectly within the bounds of the games mechanics as they were set out. Those aren't bugs that cause you to clip out of the game world or acquire infinite speed by getting stuck on terrain. They're simply applications of what already exists.

>>385662152
I feel like Prime's sequence breaking is mostly skill based. I'm not a big fan of OoB stuff, but you can avoid most of it if you're going for sequence breaking rather than speed running.
I much prefer the organic scan dashes, ghetto jumps, spring jumps etc. Novel uses of the environment and momentum rather than making the game bug out. You can accomplish a lot with just those.

>ZM also has it far more intentionally built in than SM
That's the problem, sequence breaking in ZM feels like an external addition. ZM added extra rooms solely for the purpose of skipping others. ZM added barriers that prevent you from skipping items even when you have the skill to skip the platforming sections that might have required them.
It's not so much about mastering the game world by yourself, but finding only the backdoors that purposefully left behind.

>>385663064
See above.

>>385663140
>I've already played the original game which was perfectly fine, why would I want to play a remake that completely shits all over what the original game was?
>"WOW WHAT THE FUCK WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT? IF YOU DON'T BUY SAMUS RETURNS TO SUPPORT THE METROID SERIES YOU ARE LITERALLY HITLER!"

>>385663390
>which was perfectly fine
Metroid II was riddled with problems. Mainly it's nauseatingly tiny screen size coupled with impractically huge sprites.

>>385663464
I had zero issues playing it in 1991 and I have zero issues playing it in 2017.

>>385663305
>ZM added barriers that prevent you from skipping items even when you have the skill to skip the platforming sections that might have required them.
So did Super Metroid.

>>385663538
Everyone else disagreed, which is why they went to make AM2R and Nintendo are making SR.

>>385663390
>strawman
You're acting like Nintendo's explicitly telling you to stop playing the original and "move on". How hard is it for you to accept that both games can coexist?

>>385663625
AM2R is for pussies and completely shits on all of M2's intentional design decisions, just like Zero Mission shat on M1's intentional design decisions.

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>>385663617
Remind me where Super Metroid added an unkillable enemy that only despawned after you picked up a useless item.

>>385663740
>just like Zero Mission shat on M1's intentional design decisions.
I'll take 'things no one has ever said' for $500.

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I might still get the game, but I can never consider it better than AM2R because of multiple reasons:

>the amiibos
I don't care if it's optional. I want all of the content for free forever after I purchase your game. If 40 dollars isn't enough to entitle me to things that used to be put in games for free, then I can't consider your product good. You're being greedy with my money.

>the melee counter
No matter what anyone says about this, I cannot consider it a good mechanic. you cannot be allowed to fight enemies at melee range. Samus is supposed to be someone who fights from a distance, and letting an enemy get that close should force you to take damage. You shouldn't be allowed an instant win button. And to anyone who says it takes skill to pull off, I must ask you to return to Candy Crush and Angry Birds. You've never touched a real video game.

>difficulty
The enemies look way too easy to counter, and the metroids just feel like they give you too many opportunites to counter them. At least in AM2R they were relentless, couldn't be stunned, and did a good amount of damage. And the modifier file that came with 1.2.9 allowed me to increase that further. I could make them instant kill me if I wanted. No restrictions necessary.

>terrible 3DS controls
I hated it in Kid Icarus, I hate it here. Give me a controller of my choosing, or it's not a good game. It's why I only like PC games nowadays.

>focus on style over substance
If I see even a single cutscene or hear Samus talk even once, I'm throwing the game in the garbage. AM2R only got a pass because it was a free game made by a fan. A 40 dollar official product should not fall into the same traps. NO STORY IN METROID. EVER. Take that filth back to /lit/ and /tv/. I play video games for gameplay.

>arachnus can now be damaged by your beam for no good reason
>teleporters strewn about the smallest world in the entire series, even though no other game has had any need for them (* further explanation below)
>metroid battles are now "press this sequence of buttons to win" instead of letting players develop their own strategies, which the original game allowed you to do (yeah, you just missile spammed them, but there were different ways to maneuver through these battles to make the process faster)
>enemy AI in general is very scripted now, with constant reaction to Samus' moves that forces the player to be hampered by melee counters whether or not they want to bother with this shitty mechanic

* Teleporters highly suggest this game makes no effort to introduce sequence breaks or proper shortcuts. Super, ZM and even Fusion had hidden routes you could use to jump between sectors or areas, but they were well hidden, and you had to use Samus' abilities to access them. Apparently, Samus Returns is redesigned for a much more casual audience.

Nintendo is beating a dead horse. No one in their right mind wants this remake to happen. But that's not going to stop it from being shilled on /v/ every day until release date.

>>385663893
He has a point. M1 is the only Metroid game which leaves you truly directionless in a maze. ZM didn't follow the same path and offered something in between Super and Fusion instead.
I find it hard to say ZM is strictly better than Metroid 1 because it takes such a different approach who am I kidding Metroid 1 is horribly broken

>>385639079
nope, after getting a switch the only use my 3ds has is as a controller for playing smash Wii u at friend's houses

>>385663970
>you cannot be allowed to fight enemies at melee range. Samus is supposed to be someone who fights from a distance, and letting an enemy get that close should force you to take damage. You shouldn't be allowed an instant win button.
okay this I actually disagree with, it's okay to do it in this game because the corridors are cramped and you don't really have the room to aim at things far away/peek around corners

in something like the prime games though yes I would agree

>>385663970
Here's hoping that there's an actual Hard mode not hidden behind gaymiibo shit. That's why you always pirate first.

>>385662494

Who said anything about Castlevania? We're talking about Metroid. And /v/ isn't one person, you stupid faggot.

>>385664219
>Metroidvanias aren't relevant to Metroid

>>385663747
Super Metroid added super missile doors, power bomb doors, super missile blocks, power bomb blocks, speed booster blocks, grapple beam blocks, crumbling grapple beam blocks, one-way crumbling blocks, one-way gates, water, acid, and heat to impede player exploration and force an item sequence.

I dislike the term "sequence breaking" because its existence means that the game is designed to be linear. The original Metroid was not designed to be linear. With five missiles, the morph ball, and bombs, you could go anywhere barring Tourian. There was no sequence beyond those three items. It was up to you to figure everything else out. The game didn't lead you by the nose like Super does. Super never allows the player to get lost. It never respects the player enough to let them.

>>385664040
ZM's controls and sheer amount of replayability make it better than Metroid on the NES, also there is only one (1) Chozo statue is absolutely mandatory.

>>385663017
replay it now and see if it holds up
it won't since the multiplayer is dead

>>385664330
still a better single player than Other M

>>385663747
>he doesn't know how to kill it

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>>385663017
>>385664330
Reminder we already know what Prime 4 will be about.

>>385664439
story-wise yes
gameplay eeeh maybe? I mean I kinda like the bayo-like gameplay of other m but the limited controls are a pain

>>385663738
>You're acting like Nintendo's explicitly telling you to stop playing the original and "move on". How hard is it for you to accept that both games can coexist?
Zero Mission proves that isn't the case. Metroid "fans" frequently tell people new to the series "oh, you don't have to play the original Metroid, it's old and outdated! Just play Zero Mission instead!" Those same people said EXACTLY THE SAME THING ABOUT METROID 2 when AM2R came out. The same thing will happen with Samus Returns, although the more likely scenario will be people saying "OH DON'T PLAY SAMUS RETURNS OR METROID 2, PLAY AM2R!" Don't tell me they can coexist when the historical behavior of Metroid "fans" proves otherwise.

Zero Mission is NOT Metroid and is NOT a replacement for playing Metroid. AM2R is NOT Metroid 2 and is NOT a replacement for playing Metroid 2. Samus Returns is NOT Metroid 2 and is NOT a replacement for playing Metroid 2.

>>385664673
If Metroid 1 were that good, we'd tell them to play it too. But it really doesn't hold up.
Metroid II holds up better but still isn't that great.

>>385664673
metroid 1 and 2 are both not good games my man

super is a good game

>>385664673
>Zero Mission is NOT Metroid and is NOT a replacement for playing Metroid.
It kind of is though.

>>385664752
>But it really doesn't hold up.
But it does. It's an incredibly impressive game for its context and is still immensely satisfying to play, so long as you understand HOW to play it.

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>>385664868
>the game's not bad, you're just bad

>>385639079
Of course I don't need the extra shit

>>385664283
>Super Metroid added super missile doors, power bomb doors, super missile blocks, power bomb blocks, speed booster blocks, grapple beam blocks, crumbling grapple beam blocks, one-way crumbling blocks, one-way gates, water, acid, and heat to impede player exploration and force an item sequence.
The way to bypass those barriers was always to apply the powerups you had. It was never arbitrary as in ZM.

Metroid 1 is very different in style to Super. I don't think it makes sense to directly compare their progression systems as though one is strictly superior to the other. They're simply trying to accomplish different things.

Sadly, no. I've chosen not to support amiibo shit this bad. Hopefully they don't do it again with MP4.

I'm about to play Super Metroid for the first time ever and I've never really played any other Metroid games or Metroidvania games. All I want is creepy atmosphere, good music, tight gameplay, exploration and the feeling of isolation. Did I make the right choice?

>>385665061
Boycott the amiibo, not the game.

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>>385665061
>don't support a game just because its dlc is shit

>>385665164
You certainly did, now get comfy.

>>385665164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pim1s_DBR64

>>385665181
>>385665237
The amiibo unlockables are part of the game design. They made the game this way. Why should I support that?

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>>385665451
>The amiibo unlockables are part of the game design.

>>385664868
I don't find much satisfaction in its stiff, repetitive combat.

>>385665237
The DLC isn't shit, it's things that should be in the base game.

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>>385665237
>forgiving a game for otherwise included content packaged through DLC

>>385665451
this

>just ignore the amiibo

and miss out on playing a difficulty mode? Nope

>>385665590
It's an artificially created fake difficulty. Relax, buddy.

It's the first 2D Metroid in thirteen years, of course I'm getting it. If the Amiibos are in stock I'll probably get them too even though I've never bought any before since they look pretty nice.

>>385665516
What's hard to understand? When making the game, part of their plans included locking content behind amiibos. How is that not part of the game's design? The alternate option is even worse, because it'd mean that they had a complete game ready to go and THEN decided to lock content behind amiibos.

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>>385665684
>artificially created fake difficulty.

>>385665451
Because if the game sells well but the amiibos don't they'll learn to not do this practice in the future games.
Just like Fed force, they noticed that the game sold like shit because of the art direction and the the fps shooty design. That's why they're going back to the prime 1 design with 4

>>385664673
>people are saying
People tend to prefer AM2R to M2 and ZM to M1. What's the big deal? No one's asking you to agree. Both games OBJECTIVELY coexist and you're trying to deny that just like those "people", which makes you just as retarded. Wait for SR, play it, then decide.

>>385663305
Can't you also Shinespark across that gap to get to the Wrecked Ship early?

>>385665516
>The amiibo unlockables are part of the game design.

Are you literally retarded? "Hard mode" is going to be programmed into the game. You need to purchase an Amiibo to unlock a feature that's already in the game - a game that you have already purchased.

You're saying it's okay for devs to ship games to retail, but require additional purchases before all the game's complete content can be accessed. This is an incredibly shitty practice, and you're enabling it by purchasing the core game at all.

>>385666231
You can also bomb jump.

>>385666231
You can, but that requires that you have the speed booster.
I enjoy going to fight Phantoon as early as possible, it's quite challenging and it cuts out a very significant amount of backtracking.

>>385666262
Stop being entitled. You're lucky Nintendo even gave us difficulty modes. We're blessed to have a new Metroid game, we should just be thankful and support it regardless of practices. After all, they've never made a bad Metroid game.

>>385664251
Are they, though? Metroid =/= Metroidvanias. Castlevania games that adapted things from the Metroid series always did things very differently and provided a different flavor with the various RPG elements, loot systems, teleporters, etc.

>>385642646
Even if it flops you're still buying 6 copies dude

lol no

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>People will defend this

>>385669352
>it's OK when AM2R does it

>>385669352
there is literally nothing wrong with reducing tedium in video games

>>385669539
I didn't say anything about AM2R.
>>385669559
Teleporters don't belong in a Metroid game period.

>>385669559
>tedium

Have you ever actually played a Metroid game? There are shortcuts between areas hidden throughout the entire game world in most cases. Teleporters are redundant. The game shouldn't introduce elements like this just because you can't go out of your way to look for a secret passage. And goddamn, Samus even has a suit function in this game that reveals secrets and destructible passages for you.

I'm not okay with Nintendo making this "babby's first Metroid." As what is supposedly a REmake of an earlier game, it sure does go out of its way to alienate the game's original fanbase.

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>>385670007
>Samus even has a suit function in this game that reveals secrets and destructible passages for you.

>>385670692
>>385670007
exposed

>>385670692

Which later games enforced through the use of power bombs instead, posing an actual cost to the player.

>>385664862
Not him but Zero Mission is a retelling not a replacement. just like Samus Returns. Zero Mission and Samus Returns don't replace Metroid or Metroid II because they tell the same main storyline. Zero Mission and Samus Returns just got some extra shit that isn't important to the main plot like. Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary and Halo 2 Anniversary to Halo Combat Evolved and Halo 2.

>>385671187
How do we know that's not the case for SR?

>>385661947
>Of course they won't be but take a stand against what's actually pissing you off.
Which is what people are doing by not buying the fucking game. Are you retarded?

>>385639079
pre-ordered it months ago. I don't give a shit about extra amiibo content. I love the series, so I'm buying the game.

>>385669352
Dunno how this is a problem, Metroidvanias had these since Symphony of the Night

>>385671710
>Metroidvanias had these since Symphony of the Night

But not the Metroid games that came out after Symphony of the Night.

>>385672296
Metroid Prime has elevator shortcuts that function as teleporters

Metroid Prime 2 has light-dark world teleporters and elevator shortcuts

Metroid Prime 3 has literal teleporters and also lets you jump to different areas via your ship

>>385639079
Yah I'm getting it. Not the toy though.

>>385671187
You can still do that in sm

>>385672497
not him and I think complaining about teleporters is retarded but the elevators in prime arn't teleporters, they just take you to/load the next area. MP2 light suit teleport is only very late game. MP3 is the only one with teleporters throughout

>>385673126
>the elevators in prime arn't teleporters

That's what I said, they just function as teleporters. They connect entirely distinct areas that would otherwise not be connected. Surely you can realize this?

I also didn't bring up the light suit teleport precisely because it is so lategame, though it is another good example.

>>385672296
Well it's about time Metroid caught up advances made in 1997 I think.

>>385669352
Symphony of the night did it and no one cares. This is just shit bait.

>>385673371
Designing maps around fast travel is laziness, Symphony of the Reddit is a huge offender of this too since most of the traversal is either through corridors of nothing but enemies and then later on you get upgrades that trivialize movement like the Bat and Mist.
Not a good series to take cues from.

>>385673793
Designing posts around shit is stupidity, your post is a huge offender of this too since most of what you posted is either straight retarded or meant to bait people into taking you seriously.
Not a good post to take cues from.

OH WAIT FUCK

>>385673793
>Symphony of the Reddit
Adding "reddit" to something you don't like isn't a valid argument

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>>385674027
Rekt

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>>385673793
>Symphony of the Reddit

>>385669889
Go back and play Metroid 2 and tell me a teleporter is legitimately a bad thing to have in that game.