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I implore you to play Guilty Gear.

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I implore you to play Guilty Gear.
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>>385633991
Ok
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I just reported 23 blatantly off-topic threads, but this is the one that will be deleted
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>>385633991
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>>385634780
Mods and jannies are fucking retards and don't actually investigate the threads they delete. The reason they started deleting the Sol threads is because they see the same image over and over, so they assume it's some kind of spam.
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>>385633991
I'm trying anon, just need to fork out a few more cash. Also, should I go for console or PC?
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>>385635090
US/JPN - console
EU - PC
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>>385633991
post the girls first
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>>385635279
He did
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>>385635164
That's oddly specific. Any reasons behind it?
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>>385635059
this. I've been enjoying the Guilty Gear threads, but you've got to mix up the op image. post some sniffs, like a self-respecting member of the community
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>>385635368
BACK TO BACK
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>>385633991
Tried it, didn't feel it too much.
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Sol OP, you should stop using the same image, it's been like two weeks of the same picture
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I have a much harder time getting into this than street fighter. It feels much less obvious to me when i can and cant attack.
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>>385635823
that makes sense. SFV has been extremely simplified, which makes it easier for newcomers to understand everything. unfortunately, the game gets boring quickly, because of that simplicity. if you have some fighting games experience, you'll likely prefer a game with more depth than SFV
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>>385633991
Fuck off to /vg/ already. You're doing the same dumb shit the Bloobers did last year but they eventually fucked off to /blaz/

Oh wait, your dead game can't even support a general on /vg/ you retarded fucking goobers.
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Someone post picture of bashful Baiken receiving valentines day chocolate, I need to see it every day or I'll die from a withered heart
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>>385636173
You know you can just hide and filter instead of having a conniption fit right?
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>>385636107
Notice how i didn't say 5? Also found 4 and third strike much easier to get into.
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>>385636497
You know that generals belong on /vg/ and using the same image in the OP over and over is against the rules right?
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>>385636619
next level shitposting
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>>385636591
But this time its Ky
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>>385636619
Didn't expect to see /ourgirls/ coming out so soon. Who's your main?
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>>385636591
I don't make the threads man, I just browse them for matches
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>>385636776
I main that idiot who refuses to take his garbage to /vg/ desu ^^
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>>385636740
see >>385634048

or>>385635368


kys
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>>385636969
I'm talking specially of this thread. Sol OP does need to shake it up some.
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>>385636969
one is someone who wants to talk about a game. the other is a troll who wants to spam threads and pretend to be trans
learn to spot a troll thread
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>>385637181
I'm not trans though?
And I didn't see the ky post, othwise i wouldn't have posted that post. It won't let me delete it.
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>>385637181
You're responding to that guy right now. You can't reason with these guys, they think they're doing the right thing but they probably have several non-vidya thread tabs open right now.
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>>385635436
EU has a decent size PC GG scene. More so than the rest.
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>>385635436
For USA it's because fighting games on consoles are much more popular, for Japan/Asia PC gaming doesn't even exist

In EU most players switched to PC version, including online tourneys organizers. That being said, all offline tournaments are still done on PS4 versions
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> learning all these match up
> realize that you actually doesn't know how to play your own mirror match up when it comes up and play very poorly
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>>385637658
I wanted to check out any upcoming tournaments, but the in-game bulletin board is stilla post about a tourney in February. What site do people use to find tournaments for GG? Eventhubs?
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>>385638032
It's easier than you think. Just think about what you would do in each situation and punish accordingly.
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>>385636619
I don't fuck with trans people in GG anymore. After having to face my former trans friend's Sol across 200 matches, I'm convinced you guys have mystic abilities in anime games.
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I have no money to buy it :^(.

Should I pirate it so at least i can play with bots?
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>>385638221
Trans girls are secretly the strongest community of GG. We are coming out slowly as you see.
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>>385638221
Sol is for retards so its no wonder a tranny plays him.
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>>385638035
>tfw bulletin board in EU is still about some glitch in lobbies 2 years ago
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>>385638221
Please do not respond to it
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>>385638221
That's too bad.
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GG is gonna be the next New Vegas isn't it
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>these commentators at dtn
holy shit even people paid to play this game are bored by this shit LMAO

whens blazblue?
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>>385638159
I never really think how it is on the other end of the gun.

It feels like I respect my own character too much sometimes when the opponent play him.
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>>385638483
Forced shitty game for autists and trannies? Yeah it is.
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>>385638483
a solid game that idiots shitpost because they feel a need to be contrarian?
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>>385638664
Exactly
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>>385638263
You can at least learn things on training mode while you save some money to buy a legit version
Most of my time (25h) with the game has been on training mode/mission mode figuring shit out.
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>gods gift

O I AM LAFFING
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>>385638703
it's amazing how dedicated people are to disliking something. I've always found that the most desperate shitposters are follow the best games, so it's a good way to judge quality
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>>385638708
Yeah, its gonna take me a while since im a novice on figthing games.

Also should I also save for one of those stick controllers? Or is my xbone controller enough?
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>>385638774
Amane is so cute, i wish I found BB more fun to play
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>>385638967
You know what they say (unless it's done to exploit this philosophy, IE don't kill yourself)
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>>385633991
>don't play fighting games
>always wanted to try and git gud at one
>DBFZ looks like it's going to be cool
>pirate GG in an attempt to maybe get somewhat competent before DBZ
>trying to do trials
>can't fucking do this

That second jump cancel gets me every time why are fighting games so fucking hard?
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>>385639253
what problem are you having, not getting close enough to him? you're cancelling with 9, not 8 right?
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>>385639253
if it makes you feel better, once you learn how to do air combos like that they become super easy. it's always rough at first, though.
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>>385639253
some of the advanced combos are ridiculously hard and too tricky to ever use in a real match. they may include valuable tech, but aren't necessary
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>>385639253
That combo isn't too hard, but I understand you're frustration with execution because I was bad too. Just keep practicing
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>>385639253
Like with all fighting games, it's all about muscle memory. You can always try to practice just the part of the combo you're having issues with. It may not be much different than 'git gud' but you'll just have to grind out most stuff. I would offer you some advice, but I don't know much about Leo. If the issue is that the second jump isn't coming out at all you might be inputting it too early.
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>>385633991
I have no money to buy the game
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>>385639253
You don't need to learn how to do that kind of crazy shit right off the bat.

Once you've gotten your basic specials, supers and a BNB or two down, you should be focusing on fundamentals.
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POST MAINS, FAGGOTS
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lobby where
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I want to jam it in Jam's jam.
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>>385639965
What platform?
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>>385639253
The trick for execution difficulty is visual cue sometimes

If you can do the combo up to the 2nd jump cancel, then do your part of the combo, wait for visual cue to hit that jump cancel. GG's combo has a few strict part that you have to be semoi-on point with input.

Try this, don't hit jump until you see the last hit of the move before the jump cancel connect. You should be hitting jump cancel during the hit lag of that move. Consiously look and focus on that visual cue and you'll land it
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tfw ps4 only cuck
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>>385639859
I am slowly growing stronger
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>>385639972
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>>385639859
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>>385639972
No anon.
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>>385640017
ps4 na
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>>385639859
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>>385639859
Ky. I wish someone could take Ky to the top 8 one day.
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>>385640109
If you can wait like three hours people will start to show up, until then try the New England lobby or set up a public room
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>>385634780
What a fucking snitch bitch
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>>385640214
Rion did it every year at evo but he didn't show up this year
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>>385640093
You totally would if you could, don't lie to yourself.
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>>385639859
May has the best combos and songs.
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>>385640389
>mfw a May hits me with the whale super from fullscreen
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>>385639859
can't decide who to learn as a pocket pick though
any suggestions are appreciated
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>>385640327
I can't argue that anon. But this isn't about me though.
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>>385639525

WHEN IS ABA COMING TO XRD?!?!?!?!?
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Is Elphelt bad?
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>>385640459
who do you main in GG or other games? Faust is a fun pocket character
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>>385639859
...zZz...
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>>385640559
She was nerfed a lot but she's not bad.
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>>385639859
OOOOO
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You convinced me to use my parents credit card to buy this game.
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>>385640626
how difficult is it to pick up Bedman? what is his basic game plan? I like weird characters and am thinking of him for a backup
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>5 minutes into GG and chill, they give you this look
what do you do?
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>all this interest in GG all of a sudden
It's kinda weird, but I'm happy about this.
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>>385640459
>>385640624
i main may and i picked up faust as a secondary. he's super fun and has a radically different playstyle than may, which helped me understand the game better (assuming you main may from your image)
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>>385640829
pull out my stick and balls
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>>385635368
I wonder who gets disposed off buy "That Man"
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Post DIFFICULTY
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>>385640715
Well she looks fun and I want to someone who is the opposite of Leo. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Is it just me or is Ky braindead? It usually takes me forever to learn a character but everything about Ky just seems piss easy. Ridiculous oki, great anti-air, greed sever. I only put a couple hours into him and can already win games with ease.
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>>385640087
>the way she puts her ass up on 2
This should be illegal
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>>385641195
Ky is one of more easier characters to learn.
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>>385633991
Ok Twink
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>>385640624
I main May, i'm interested in Slayer but BDC on gamepad seems like it's way too difficult
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>>385640968
Is Venom the only cool gay man in vidya?
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>>385640726
Where's Baiken
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>>385639859
Baiken truly is a miracle and beauty that extends to the heavens
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>>385641197
this and her playful attitude is too much. can't concentrate on the fight with all these erections, had to choose another main
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>>385641308
This was made before Rev2 came out.

Gotta remember Rev2 is a little over 2 months old.
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>>385641308
It's an old one so Answer and Baiken aren't on there.
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>>385640774
Most of his moves are quarter circles so it will be pretty easy to build the muscle memory. For the most part you want to try to get deja vu seals up whenever you can so you can limit your opponent's options. Be mindful that he has no reversal options outside of his overdrive so be cautious and avoid being put in the corner whenever you can. He also has good mobility in the air, but it will take some time getting used to.
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I want to but I don't want to put the time into getting good at it so I'm not going to waste my money.
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>>385641340
>Johnny
>honest

Not this shit again
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I'LL
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>>385633991
>shit story
>shit gameplay
>shit music
>shit new characters
>no one plays it
>my mains still aren't in

No thanks.
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>>385641529
what is your definition of honesty
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>>385641550
Wrong game, dipshit. LTG doesn't play anime fighters.
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>try to learn Baiken
>don't know how to use her tools at all
>pick up Ky again
>forgot all his BNBs
>try to learn Pot
>pic related
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>>385641635
Well he should

What character would he use in GG?
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>>385641340
>sol
>not the definition of dishonesty
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>>385641743
he'd be the kind of guy to play sol and spam dragon install every round then complain why he's losing
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>>385641340
>Johnny
>High IQ
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>>385641617
>>385641529
Dont have to be dishonest when your normals are better than everyone elses.
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>>385641617
Overheads that can be blocked on reaction, a moveset that isn't entirely safe on block, no unblockable setups, doesn't completely rape neutral for almost the entire roster bar maybe Faust, and reasonable damage output.
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>>385641743
He'd play Venom
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>>385641743
Leo whitefang with a dark skin color alt.
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>>385641743
He'll play Raven and say he takes SKILL. Also every time he tries a pocket character and loses he'll say "I'll just switch to Raven and body this scrub" or "try it on my Raven"
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>>385641979
>he'll be that monkey
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>GG has Sin
>BB has Mai
There's no escape from this type of faggotry
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Ky is a pedo
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>>385641340
What does IQ mean in this regard? Fairly new to fighting games in general.
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>>385642250
Good
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will there be a lounge tonight
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>>385642278
Nothing. It's bait
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>>385642091
Mai is getting nerfed, so there's that.
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>>385642250
Yes.
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>>385642331
>nerfed
>3/4th of her changes are buffs
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>>385641195
Ky is easier to learn at first, but as people learn to simply hold down back and react to greed server or even guess it, you have to play better. At early even, for some reason, people forget to block when Ky is pulling out grinder or stop blocking as soon as grinder end and try to hit button even though Ky is running at them right there and can continue the block string.


After beginning level, Ky get harder as you have to learn how to pressure, frametrap and respond to how to the opponent's play. Ky has a lot of tools but none of them are extremely good that you can depend on to abuse.
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>>385641340
>any character in GG
>honest
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Are non-japanese GG tournaments a waste of time to watch? I tuned in to the top 8 Defend the North GG tourney, and while they're all way better than me, they look like garbage compared to japanese players.
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>>385642457
You can abuse the shit out of Ky's tools online though.
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>>385642295
More than likely, for both PC and PS4
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>>385642278
Skill floor. How long it takes for a player to reach a competent level with the character on average. You'll hear people say Sin and Raven are low IQ, for example.
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>>385642394
Really? Well I thought she was. I only really paid attention to Bullet
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>>385642691
You can only greed server for so long. Even if opponent is only somewhat guessing to block it, Ky's damage is fairly low so the reward is not worth it. If you are playing with less than 3 frame delay, you definitely can block on reaction, especially when greed server only has a limited range that can actually lead to good conversion. Some overhead are faster and are even safer and lead to better damage from other characters
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FUCK

OFF

TO

/VG/
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>>385643223
No
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>>385643203
>if you are playing with less than 3 frame delay
That's what I mean. I only see Ky players with shitty connections. I either back out once I see the connection or just hold up when I think he's gonna do it.
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>>385642635
they make me feel better about my scrubby gameplay
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>>385633991
Will there be Ruby too?
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>>385639859
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>>385642367
100% full grown woman
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>>385643223
imagine being upset about video game threads on /v/
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Picked up Guilty Gear and decided to main Ky. Who should I watch to learn how to git gud as him?
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>>385643605
Only now. Yes.
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didn't see a lobby up so

PC NA Lobby ID: kiiv
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>>385643382
If you are going to abuse super bad connection, might as well play Sol so that you can get huge damage out of your unreactable with lag shit.

There are significantly less Ky compared to other characters once people reach mid level in my opinion because he has less stuff to easily abuse. With sol, you can only punish his stuff with IB and that can be awkward with 3 frame input lag
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>>385643793
Greed Sever into Scum Dipper
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>>385641340
>Ky and Sol are not honest
>Sin is more honest than Ky
>JOHNNY IS HONEST
Whoever made this is a fucking idiot
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>>385644270
make your own one then if you're so smart

http://www.mmcafe.com/tiermaker/
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>>385639859
Finally settled down on the dandy man and i'm glad I did.
>tfw your opponent eats a k-pile with his back to the wall
>tfw it's a counter
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>>385642886
It's more like how difficult a character's game plan is.
I-No for example doesn't have the lowest skill floor due to execution, but you can't really call her a high IQ character because her gameplan is super simple.
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>90% of every match is spent on offense/defense dealing with setplays and 10% is neutral

i'll pass
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>>385639859
Same as you, my fellow Dandy of honest counters.
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>>385640065
Very, very slowly I bet.
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>>385643890
joining stuff on PC besides invites never works for me.
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>>385643890
can a man with no GG IQ join?
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>>385645067
yes
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>>385644660
This is sadly the problem with all ASW games and most modern games in general

It's sad that a whole generation of fighting game players will likely grow up thinking this is just how fighting games are
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>>385645067
>You will never convince Jam that the best way to get workers for her restaurant would be to just have a bunch of children together to help run it
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>>385644660
>>385645183
What does neutral mean?
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>>385645361
When neither player is on the offensive and both are watching the other
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>>385645067
hey anon I don't think you can post that here
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>>385641340
>tfw 3/4 of those high iq characters got stomped by leo at evo
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I have been practicing with Baiken a bit and doing some online matches.

I don't really have alot of trouble with her. I get my counters and I start my combo's from there but where the fuck are the tools for her damage. I pull of decent combo's and don't really do much damage. Then this guy playing Leo gets the drop on me 1 time and takes a quarter of my health away with some twirly shit.

How do I into Baiken damage?
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>Faust's 1000 years of pain on whole roster
>Everyone hates it
>Faust does it on I-no
>I-no is blushing

My dick
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>>385641340

>raven braindead and unfair

can confirm
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>>385645361
A situation where neither player is at the advantage really and both are trying to gain an advantage, it's notable because it's a point in the game where both players are actually playing it. The problem starts when you get games that are very 'tech' or set-play oriented like Marvel and Guilty gear, where one player manages to get in and the game basically becomes single player where the defender has his options limited immensely and is effectively making a guess repeatedly until he guesses right and (usually) escapes the situation as a result. A lot of people don't like it because it reduces the game to guessing and repeating the same situations over and over.

Some games are very bad for it, and GG/BB are basically designed around it. GG wasn't always, but around slash was when they decided balancing was hard and that they should just make every character setplay oriented because the setplay characters were always the good ones.
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>>385641340
>bedman not in his own IQ tier
every thread man, this is weak bait.
something something we could have been friends something something minimum 200 IQ something
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>>385645801
Millia likes it too
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RWBY x BlazBlue is gonna shit all over Guilty Gear

In b4 someone says I have shit taste

Ruby is wife tier
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>>385645797
Baiken is in a bad spot and her reactive playstyle is especially tough with any online lag. also, Leo is the king of braindead unga, he gets way too much reward for little risk or effort
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>>385645958
I will play all three games, why can't you just enjoy things
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>>385645801
I-no confirmed best girl
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>>385645801
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>>385645958
I'm gonna play that as well. I also like GG and BB,
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>>385640559
She's top 8 or thereabouts.
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>>385646162
>Raven's face
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>>385645183
>It's sad that a whole generation of fighting game players will likely grow up thinking this is just how fighting games are
>It's sad that a whole generation of fighting game players will likely grow up thinking fighting games should be intense instead of slow ass street fighter shit
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>>385646162
Hey wait a minute, I didn't see any Axl or Faust there.
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>>385645797
>with some twirly shit
With proper timing you can stop the rekka.
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>>385646483
Reminder that Baiken is too old to conceive
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>GG doesn't have neutral meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqpoXTJzZtM
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>>385646371
There's nothing intense about guessing

Setplay is the safest, tamest, least wild thing there is. It's the style of choice for the risk-averse.
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>>385646551
Do you even play guilty gear?
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>>385633991
PS4 Lobby?
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>>385646549
You had to cherrypick a game to get this in a very specific matchup while pretending combo into sweep into setup isn't what 90% of the cast do while I can point to literally any KoF game and you see this every time, while being significantly less setplay oriented and just as fast.
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>>385646446
gif was too big to post. I cut Axl because fuck him, worst character ever, take your dull gameplay and awful screeching chains and never come back
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>>385646549
>not posting Xrd
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>>385643890
room still up
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>>385646650
Yes I do, all the good characters are characters who can bypass what you're trying to pretend is the norm.

Putting a fireball on top of someone who has entered a hard knockdown and making them guess at no risk to yourself (or a HEAVILY skewed risk at best) which leads back into the same situation again is not wild and exciting gameplay, sorry.
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I want to learn GG but I fear it's far too late. Everybody playing has been playing since Reload or longer. So I am just going to get my shit pushed in. You learn nothing from that.
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>>385645183
I'm happy youngfags do not have to wade through all those slowass old games like Footsie Fighter and can actually play good games with ease nowadays
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>>385647027
There are a ton of beginner and intermediate people in the lobbies here.
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>>385647061
>GG players were the casuals all along
what a twist
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>>385647027
You know there's single player modes for a reason, right?
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>>385646549
don't lewd cathy
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>>385647027
I'm less than a week old for GG and I've been doing fine. Just do your tutorials and trials, the game is pretty simple to learn.
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>>385647027
Naw, I just started few weeks ago and it's been great! there's are plenty of newcomers because of EVO. I started with Leo but quickly got bored of him and now I'm learning Millia. learning and improving is very satisfying
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>>385647027
Just pick a character you like and start playing. You'll get the hang of it if you persist enough,
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>>385647139
What fighting games do you like anon?
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>>385647313
KoF mainly but I play a lot of shit on fightcade as well. I have been enjoying UNIEL as well.
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>>385647139
Are you seriously implying that playing footsies all day is hardcore?
There's a reason that kind of games are basically dead now, you know.
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>>385646738
The thing is GG has neutral like any other game but it's not just wiggling back and forth trying to whiff punish normals. It's just not the same kind of neutral as SF.
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>>385647027
As someone new to anime fighters it took me about 20 hours of combo trials, training and fighting cpu to feel comfortable going online.
Which really isn't that bad.
There are always some beginner only lobbies up also, so you can get used to fighting other people without getting punished heavily for every mistake.
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I did it
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>>385644660
I got the game for you, senpai
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>>385647423
Because modern gamers were raised with SF4 which popularised shit like randomly doing EX tiger knee to be + on block and get pressure for free instead of having to actually earn it.

You are a casual who thinks fighting games are about learning a super simplistic gameplan you just repeat over and over and things like reactions, spacing and good decision making are optional, and just want to pretend you're playing a skilled game which is effectively just repeating a single situation whenever you can masked behind a fuckton of bloated situational mechanics and executional difficulty. This describes the majority of modern ASW games.
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>>385647531
I have never mentioned SF, you are the guys who keep bringing it up, not me.

Yes I agree that footsies do exist out of SF but I disagree that GG gives it any real reward and that it's really worth anything outside of getting your hard knockdown before the real game starts.
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>>385647554
Unga unga
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>>385647554

Good work.
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>>385647554
Good job anon
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>>385640458
>mfw people don't know to block when i k.ball full screen with 50% meter
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>>385647615
Except anyone half-decent will completely own people who rely on a game plan.
>hurr I can do combos reliably
>player with strong basics utterly devastate them
>nerf [shit character] because machaboo kicked my ass like it was nothing
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I want to but
>Idort, but mainly Xbone player and no Xbone version
>I also need to buy REV 2
>And PS+ to play online
>PC version doesn't have crossplay
I play it from time to time, but only to relearn everything before dropping it for a few months. I do really wish there was an Xbone version, would buy in a heartbeat
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>>385647413
Good taste, but I gotta disagree on your assessment of gg, especially regarding corner fireball okis. There are a ton of defensive options to get you out of that type of trouble and reverse the situation back to a neutral or advantageous position. I'd agree that at beginner or low-intermediate levels the game would seem one sided and unga heavy, but at higher levels against a player that knows good meter management and his defensive options, the game isn't nearly as boring as you're making it out to be. I can see why you might not like that type of game, but I also disagree that it's the only direction fighting games are going. Right now we've probably got the most diverse array of fighting games and the overall availability and accessibility hasn't really gotten higher than it is now.
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>>385633991
I want to but it costs money. Might as well wait and save up for DBFZ
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>>385647781
>footsies aren't worth anything
>footsies lead to hard knockdowns which are too strong

i'm 99% sure you went online, lost neutral, and got run over by garbage mixups. you probably didn't even attempt to learn how to defend before going back to whatever game you came from.
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>>385648331
If you're EU then PC is fine
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>>385645285
I read that as "You will never convince Jam that the best way to get workers for her restaurant would be to just fuck a bunch of children together to help run it"
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>>385646763
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>>385640458
>tfw playing Leo and parrying May out of her faggy whale super with kahn schild
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>>385647615
>Because modern gamers were raised with SF4 which popularised shit like randomly doing EX tiger knee to be + on block and get pressure for free instead of having to actually earn it.
Son, I've been playing FG since the early 90's.
Nobody wants to deal with faggotry like whiffing normals for hours anymore, it was retarded back then too, it's just that nobody really had much choice outside of certain games that were faster like DS, because everything else was just trying to capitalize on each other and there were barely any games that tried to do their own thing.
>You are a casual who thinks fighting games are about learning a super simplistic gameplan you just repeat over and over
And you're a moron if you think FGs were anything but that since the very beginning, and even a bigger one if you think modern arcsys games are like that, especially compared to most of the shit Capcom or SNK did.

Do you really think Johnny can do the same stuff you can do to Ky to characters like Pot?
Do you think Slayer VS Zato plays like Slayer VS May?
You're just a deluded shitposter if you think so, and I hardly believe you really play FGs at a "hardcore" level, you're probably shit at defense and got sent to the salt mines after a losing streak in Guilty, so you came up with this meme of setplays and "simplistic" gameplan.
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I fucking hate Raven
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>>385648558
Nope, NA
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>>385646736
Make one and I'kk join
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>>385648486
>save up
why people say this? is it that hard to put away sixty dollars by next year? you know how long you have right?
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>>385648721
wow, delete this
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>>385648817
What? Just unga bunga him into oblivion he has no defense options and Jam's damage is quite good against his low health.
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PS4 lobby
Name: scrub zone
Password: 1776
Get in here faggots
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>>385648817
Everyone does.
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>>385648558
What if I'm a SEAfag?
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>>385648964
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>>385649136
Bad Johnny
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>>385649017
But where's the PC lobby
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>>385649136
s-stop
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>>385639253
Doing the exact same thing.

Not sure if i should buy it so i can play online, would probably just get rekt.
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>>385649126
Then I don't know
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>>385649136
Needs the sound of Steve losing it to go with this webm.
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>>385648850
>>385649017
Where you at senpai?
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>>385649136
>>385648721

DELETE THIS!! GG DOES NOT HAVE NEUTRAL!
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I actually enjoy playing neutral in GG because of high level of mobility, big ass normals, and crazy projectile coverage the game have. Many of the MU can be neutral heavy. It's not the most neutral heavy game but the neutral is fun when it happens. I also learn to defend and pressure better which is another interesting aspect

Also, loving neutral is like a new "overrated" thing that everyone claims they do but actually don't that much. Everyone claims neutral is super fun and important also hates rose and elena in USFIV, the characters that abuse neutral and tries to extend them as much as possible. Even in GG, tons of people hate sin who is the most neutral heavy even if it means his tool is extremely strong for it
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>>385646540
Not true, I'm sure she's very fertile.
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>>385645067
based mods
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>>385649498
https://a.pomf.cat/dhomvp.webm
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>>385649758
>2D games with good neutral

one of the main reasons SFV is shit is because the neutral game is shit.
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This game is dead in the West, save your money
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Will she ever be popular?
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>>385649918
Nice
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>>385649547
its still up
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>>385650071
She doesn't have enough screentime.
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>>385650071
Who?
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>>385636295
Ok
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>>385649386
Take the trial by fire,anon. Even if dbfz is a new game you will still get bodied by players with more experience in the genre.
Sure getting absolutely destroyed isn't much fun, but taking even one round against a player much better than you is going to teach you more than days of fumbling around against fellow noobs.
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>>385650430
Not that anon, but you're my hero, too.
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>>385650071
The character would be popular if you took away the old man robot.
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Fucking Jack-Os basics08 trial. I can't get the air S after the second jump cancel to connect. REEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>385650452
Is there a decent amount of players on PC?
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I remember that time I lost to Leo.
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>>385650685
The sole reason why Pot will always remain low tier.
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i just came here to take ur sniffs, thanks nerds
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>>385650685
Nice. Does anyone have the webm of when FAB did a 100% combo on someone during danger time?
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>>385650785
Depends on where you live.
EU has most if not everyone playing on PC, NA on console.
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>>385651191
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>>385651191
>that fucking damage
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>>385651191
Wew
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>>385650979
i don't have a webm

https://youtu.be/nWz4gAOVb1w?t=491
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>>385651191
is my man Slayer back to high tier?Don't have money for rev2
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>>385650925
it always starts with sniffs, but soon enough you'll be talking shit about Leo and practicing dustloops like the rest of us
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>>385651462
worst he's ever been. bottom 3 characters.
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Sorry didn't mean to taunt
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>>385651360
Is that Chappu? He's the only one with the chocolate chipp color I recognize.
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>>385651360
>>385651447
c me in +r u wont
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>>385651447
Is this SFV?
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>>385650035
I'm talking about SFIV though. Even though that game neutral is questionable as well. I'm sure as hell don't enjoy """neutral""" against blanka, c-viper, decapre, rolento or yun, etc...

I'm just talking about how everyone claims that they absolutely love neutral as it is synonymous with loving "old school" fighting game.
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>>385651356
Thanks dude.
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>>385651191
Poor little Millia and her wet paper defense
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Reposting PS4 lobby
Name: scrub zone
Password: 1776
Don't be afraid if you're new.
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>>385651561
just like rev1 huh
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>>385652208
NA?
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>>385651310
In EU, aslong as its not a super dead game I might get it.
I pirated it and really dig the gameplay. But as said should propably just do a trial by fire and atleast try to get better for DBFZ.
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>>385652294
Yep
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>>385652315
PC in EU is where its at
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>>385650662
I wonder what kum's feet and armpits smells like after being stuck in a hot robot for hours haha
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>>385651310
Isn't that pretty strange when you think about it? When it comes to consoles, Europe is a Sonybro bastion, but for fighting games a lot of people seem to prefer playing on PC. Not that I mind, since I have rev2 on both PC and PS3.
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>>385652089
Just don't get hit vs just block
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>>385647585
That health system is so dumb
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is axl rose good for beginners, seems like all his normals are different and not as easily comboable into each other as other characters like Ky would
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>>385652319
Damn, I'm EU, don't wanna bother you guys with 10+ frame delays.
>>385652315
To be fair, I'm not sure how much of GG skill will carry over to DBFZ. Execution might, but from what I've seen DBFZ doesn't seem that demanding execution wise.
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>>385633991
I own SIGN on PC, convince me to play it.
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>>385652829
Buy Rev 2, SIGN is old and busted and Elphelt is too broke in that version
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>>385652829
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>>385652658
You don't need to combo of his stuff much though. Most of the stuffs are just 1-2 normal into rensen. Biggest combo is the from an anti- air confirm, 6H counter hit or a throw into air juggle and bomber ending. Hardest combo is that very bomber combo but loop twice. The stance combo looks pretty easy as well.
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PC lobby?
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>>385653019
I bought #Reload and SIGN on Steam release, not going to buy another game just to leave it collecting virtual dust.

>>385653046
Meh.
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>>385653224
Watch the story mode at least. No one is going to really play SIGN since the new version is out.
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>>385653224
It's 2 games actually, Revelator and the Rev2 upgrade DLC. Welcome to ArcSys games
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>>385652538
they smell like kum
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>>385653420
You can just buy Rev 2 though, it's $40 which isn't bad at all
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>>385652658
>>385653082
So yea, he's a pretty good beginner character if you enjoy zoning with your big normal and annoy people with it. You better be solid at defense and also good at dp reversal as well. His gattling pathway is not as easy and flexible as Ky but he doesn't need it that much anyway while Ky needs it to be able to confirm into kd consistently
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Sol's number 7 basic combo isn't meant for pad is it?
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>>385653224
>meh
Get out.
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>>385653528
PC was rev + rev2 dlc I thought
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Boy that was fun, thanks for the matches boys.
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>>385653617
The bundle I see is Rev+Rev 2 upgrade for $44
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>room called "lore discussion" with 7/8 players
im scared to join
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>>385653546
What is it?
I made through 1-9 with pad. Then I realized 10 was not for mortal men.
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>>385653604
>not delet this
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>>385653794
Go ask them if they're aware that Ky is a pedo.
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>>385652208
>no search ID

How am I supposed to find this room?
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>>385653794
What;s the problem? You get to learn the story while getting your ass beat.
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>>385653842
I fucked up.
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>>385653797
The one you have to mash back forward to extend grand viper.
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>>385653918
Its closed now, someone has to make another
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>>385654002
You know that you have to mash S and HS too? Might help.
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>>385652664
I guess but im kinda craving a fighting game to try and get good at while waiting for DBFZ.

What version should I get? Seems like there are a bunch of versions.
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>>385654275
On pc get one of the ones that says revelator + rev 2 upgrade.
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>>385654275
rev 2, the lastest version, revelator 1 was just a revision of xrd, and rev 2 is the revision from -sign-

from what country yo are?
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>>385654275
Revelator + Rev 2 if you're on steam. Just Rev 2 if you're on ps4. It's a really fun game, go for it.
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>>385654461
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I played Xrd on PS4 when it initially came out and enjoyed it, is now a good time to jump back in with Rev2 or should I wait a few months for the inevitable Rev3? Also how much has changed since Xrd?
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>>385653537
alright, wondering if i should just focus with ky or go for my dreams and learn axl
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>>385654461
>>385654484
Fuck Im probably gonna go for it, tmorrow doe

>>385654478
Sweden
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>>385654675
>or should I wait a few months for the inevitable Rev3?
Rev 2 JUST came out 2 months ago dude. You're fine.
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>>385654002
Yeah, just tried it, you probably weren't mashing S and HS?
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>>385654675
Rev 2 literally came out a bit more than 2 months ago as a global release. It's good time to buy now as the next version won't be here for another year and it might be a dlc upgrade again
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>>385654748
Good stuff, I'm on ps4, but from what I've heard pc is more populated here in the EU.
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>>385653179
I'm gonna put up an east coast PC lobby tonight if no one else does, won't be playing unfortunately because I fucked my wrist's shit up, but I'll spectate.
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Why does everyone shit on Raven? He seems reasonably fun and I don't get it.
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I managed to win one
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>>385655263
His gameplay is braindead
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>>385655263
He's like millia but 10x easier to play.
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>>385655263
I hate fighting Ravens. They all do the same shit.

>Swoop in Buzzsaw rinse and repeat
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>>385655263
Comboing into sweep and scharf kugel is fun? I played him a lot in Rev1 but he got boring really fast.
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>>385655512
>that cute little pose after stomping someone lying prone
Savage.
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>>385655497
That's pretty much the gist of his high level play too.
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Any new players up in EU PSN? Might make a lobby if so
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How do I avoid turning my brain off, /v/? A lot of times it looks like I'm just trying the moves, combos and mix-ups that I know, without any awareness of the match.
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>>385655263
Because he's good this version and over represented. Wait until the nerfs
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>>385654796
>>385654758
Oh I don't know why I thought it came out last winter
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>>385655754
Stop playing Sol.
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why does trial 12 make you crouch, then stand, then crouch again for no reason?
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Picking this game up since I finally have time to pour into training. Want to main Chipp since I enjoy characters who are fast and up close; how difficult is he to learn? Any tips?
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So we all know that best bot is next, but the question remains: WHEN?
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hey /v/ which bundle do i buy to get all the characters at the best price
i dont care about cosmetics i just want all the characters
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>>385655754
Stop playing Raven.
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>>385655853
I play Jam
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>>385655763
He's always been good anon. That's why kazunoko picked him from the beginning and consistently performs well with him ever since release. Dogura only jumps on raven because he listens to kazunoko and think that he can meme it as well while putting minimal effort and tries to get some money from SFV as well.
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>>385656083
>>385654592
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>>385656083
see >>385654592
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So do you guys play with stick or pad? Have been thinking of getting a stick after using one to play SFV at my friend's house. I prefer it over pad now.
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Whose the truest unga, son of Bunga?

Leo, Raven. Jam, or Kum.
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Tell me about Raven, why does he have the horns?
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>>385656198
I'd argue he's better in this version.
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>>385656289
LEO
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>>385656289
Raven
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>>385656289

That order is pretty accurate actually.
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When will Testament or ABA be playable?
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>>385656110
Jam is definitely the female unga. You can stop playing brain dead and play against good players. If you lose to them, then understand why you lost and try to improve from it. If they are getting out of your pressure then figure out how they are doing it and what their habit are and change your pressure to accomodate for that
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>>385656289
Unga man himself. Getting salty hatemail when you win as him is the best.
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>>385656289
Leo will forever be GG most UNGA.
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>>385656309
He might be so because some of the top tier got nerfed. However, it's not that significant as kazunoko is the only raven making it on top 8 evo and he placed around same place as last year as well. I think the more raven players around also make people more adjusted to his shit and figure out better counter-play as well
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Ky's penis
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>>385656289
>GGxBB will never be real and we will never be able to truly decide whether Azrael or Leo is the true Great Unga of the tribes.
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way I still play BB, albeit rather irregularly. It's fun but it just doesn't click with me like GG does.
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>>385656289

They're all pretty unga but I honestly don't mind that much. Play who you want and who you enjoy and if they're easier to play then so be it.

Don't understand why people think you need to be a mathematician to play games like this.
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>>385656028
Isn't team red working on Dragon Ball FighterZ? If so, not for quite a while.
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>>385656289
Is kum that unga, other than her tuning ball oki?
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>>385656489
Gotcha.
Would changing to a less unga character like Ky help me?
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>>385657090
>less unga character like Ky
Anon
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>>385655712
I'm psn eu, but I'm gonna go off to bed. Make a new one tomorrow and I'll join.
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Is this possible to do on Ky's first jump? I can only get the throw if I catch him on the 2nd when I'm already in the air.
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How do I play Slayer's neutral game? It feels like I get stuffed by everything if I don't dash through it.
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>>385657936
It''s possible any time. The key is to make sure you are ONLY pressing back or forward. Diagonals will not work.
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>>385657936
I'm not sure about that mission, but when you're airthrowing someone, you want to be very close to them and slightly under them. Don't know if that helps or not.
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>>385657090
Nah, you just have to think about it if you lose and learn to adjust rather than doing the same thing and lose again
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>>385658210
Make them fear the succ
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>>385639859
VIVA WATASHI
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>>385639859
UNGA
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>>385659114
I'll focus on that then.
Thanks, anon
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>>385639859
A
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Who should I pick up as a pocket if I already have an unga main?
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>>385660517
Another unga
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>>385633991
No ABA no buy
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>>385639859
gonna learn bedman lol. before I was unsure about who to play I like Dizzy, Venom and Ramlethal. But I'm learning bedman because he's the easiest lol.
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Question

Can Zappa, Zato, Kum and Dizzy be considered Stand users?
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>training/missions/combo grind
>do some matches, spastically fuck up everything
>repeat
I assume there's light at the end of the tunnel even if I can't see it.
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>>385660725
Zappa and Zato, yes.
Kum, arguably.
Dizzy, no and why would you?
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>>385660841
Training doesn't have the same kind of pressure as a real fight, especially when you start out. You adjust eventually though.
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That's only natural. Experience is the answer. Keep playing.
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>>385633991
TRANS COMMUNITIES OF BLAZBLUE AND GUILTY GEAR UNITE!
U N I T E
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>>385660841
just make sure you watch high level matches and learn the way they play.
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>>385639859
the one and only
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>>385660725
Zappa-yes
Zato-Somewhat
Kum-No, Just a girl in a robot.
Dizzy-No, her wings are apart of her system.
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US West PC Lobby
Name : video games
ID: 3spw

everyones welcome
use the id to find the game
i think
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>>385660841
Always be constructive with what you do. Always be sure to know what you do wrong (EVERYTHING isn't what you do wrong). Focus on doing all you've learned correctly, and only add slowly new stuff to your gameplan.
It's fucking important to go with your rythme, and be able to do stuff right. If you drop a combo too much in matches, try to find an easier route.
And once again, don't overwhelm yourself with too much stuff. Be sure to know to do stuff correctly before adding anything.

And play, play, play, play. I've been playing since US Sign release, and I can finally beat some OGs, I can actually play against the best players of my region without getting effortlessly murdered. And I can assure you it feels fantastic.

Like, just look at Ogawa. The dude is godlike, right? Well he's been playin since GGX, and trains at least 3 hours a day, and up to 5 in the weekend. NEVER GIVE UP
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>>385661217
None can be considered stand users since stands are projections of the user's psyche and shokusei kagejin is a parasite and Zappa is possesed by ghosts.
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>>385661774
I'm pretty sure everything is indeed what I do wrong.
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>>385661893
Who do you main fag
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>>385661834
So then by that logic, necro and undine could be a stand.
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I noticed that S-Ko is very similar to Hisako from Killer Instinct. Is Zappa fun to play?
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>>385662032
I haven't decided, maybe Baiken?
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>>385661893
By claiming you do everything wrong, you do everything wrong.
Do you ever watch your replays? If not, you definitely should. And you should take notes of stuff that kills you. Instead of hating yourself for being bad, you make sure to not make that mistake ever again.
And you can also read this thing http://guiltygearsweden.com/strategy/machaboo-on-fundamentals-for-those-that-want-to-become-good-at-gg/
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>>385639859
This wonderful lady with Jam as a secondary. I'll hopefully get around to Baiken once i get time.
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>>385662412
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>>385662101
Those aren't projections since everyone can see them, only a Stand user can see a stand.
The closest thing is Zappa's ghosts since nobody can see them but they still don't fulfill all the prerequisites.
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>>385661721
Is the id right? I can't find it.
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>>385662323
No I mean, double perfected is the norm and I don't think I've ever gotten anyone to 50% life.
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>>385662271
Baiken isn't a good choice for a beginner, because her playstyle is all about knowing the enemy and being reactive. Sure, those titties are big, but you should pick someone with a playstyle that suits you
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>>385662271
Anon to know what to do you need to decide on which character to use first, every character has a specific toolset to them and there's hardly any tips we can give you if you don't know who you wanna use besides Git gud.
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>>385661721
>>385662462
i remade try: jarh

if that dont work, ill remake public with a PW i guess
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>>385662508
Thats pretty bad then, I guess you could grind the cpu until you can beat it without much effort.
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>>385662545
She may be reactionary character, but her combos are very simple.

The counters come from experience.
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>>385662508
I just read this >>385662271

You need to pick one char first, and stick with it. Learn what move to use in which situation, learn basic combos leading into basic knockdown, learn confirms and conversions. Before you can do anything, you have to be sure to know what you can do. Knowing your character is not only the easiest thing to learn, but it's also the most important thing to do.

Watch japanese players, try to understand why they did X move at Y moment. All those will require to lose, to experiment stuff yourself. Join character discords and take tips. But most importantly, have an idea of what you do, why you do it, and if you lose, why you lost.

Just don't try to feel to overwhelmed, or to overwhelm yourself too much. Whatever you learn, do it at your own rythme.
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>>385641293
>>385640968

Only one I can think of.
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>>385639859
One day I will be mediocre with him.
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Who could beat Slayer at his best and why is it Faust
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>>385663436
Sol.
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>>385663436
I have no idea what Faust's power level is. Is what he does even magic?
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>>385663531
He's an ancient prototype of something that might have been gear related.
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Serious question, aside from muscle memory how do you guys practice on knowing what frames/when to push the next button.

Right now im in the button mashing phase of things were im either imputing to fast or doing it to slowly
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any pc bros add me on steam so I can get my ass kicked by you
Scege
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>>385663436
two slayers
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>>385641293

Legit question is Venom actually gay or am I being jebaited here? I'm a complete retard at lore.
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This game is some Naruto fucking garbage. It's an insult to GG
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>>385663847
>am I being jebaited
You must go back
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>>385655263
because people succumb more to salt than realizing in actuality that being beaten by the same predictable pattern means you're bad.

I don't even play raven, I'm an I-no main and I'm pretty mediocre with her.
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>>385663965
someone's upset about chipp being top tier
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>>385663847
He's desperate for Zato's pool cue
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>>385663847
He's Zatosexual.
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I wish is could but I dont have a ps4
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>>385663728
basic fighting game instincts I guess along with experience.
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>>385662271
GGXRD and up has made it extremely easy to learn who you like.
Here is a guide I want you and anyone else looking to find a main to follow.

1. Aesthetic, if a character looks a certain way that appeals to you, pick them up.
2. Go into combo mode and try them out
3. Pick a different character now and forget #1 because now you realize that you don't like how that character plays
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>>385664196
There's PC version
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How do I johnny
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>>385661721
>>385662764
remaking this lobby with a pw

PC/Steam US West
room name: video games
pw : rage

to the guy that was just in, ggs my man, sucks about the lag
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>>385665651
become perfect
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>>385665651
Learn how to mist cancel everything all the time.
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>>385665651

Throw coins at people for OTGs after a knockdown and space them the fuck out with mist finer.

Congratulations you're now a Johnny main.
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>>385644443
>>385641340
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Those were great games, Sol. Thanks for making the lobby
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>>385665794
That was me. Ggs. I had a lot of fun even with the lag.
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>>385663728
Just practice. Force yourself in combos to only hit each button once in practice even if you drop the combo. Mashing makes things harder in the long run, and at least for me things got a lot easier once took the time to learn when to input the next buttons, and I drop a lot less because of it.
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>>385665946
>>385666045
glad you had fun, i did too

also jam is best girl, good taste
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>>385665898
>Johnny and Slayer
>high IQ
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>>385665898
this is much better. I would move Sin and Leo a bit toward dishonest, but that's probably just my personal bias
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post gorillas
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>love a character aesthetically
>too shit to play them
suffering
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>>385633991
Finally you posted best boy.
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>>385666327
get that H sword deployed and spam 2H whenever you get a spare moment, poke with S and randomly try to confirm Dauro into a corner carry, then hit buttons.
or just enjoy the lewds and pick a more worthwhile main
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>>385666327
Same here. The moment I saw Ram I fell in love but the game's hard enough to get down as a beginner.
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>>385665898
Kum is low IQ since he's a vortex character like Leo.

Venom is more dishonest than Johnny for sure. Ball oki, tk mad struggle, insane set ups.

Don't see how Axl is dishonest. He relies on the fundamentals: spacing, catching techs, etc.

Dizzy should be more dishonest. A lot more are wrong but w/e.
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>>385666327

>aesthetically

Is that what we're calling ass these days?
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>>385666952
I think she's cute and cool.
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>>385663436
Canonically the strongest character. He's at the peak and the only person he considers his rival is Gabriel. Sol is still a rare gem that needs polishing.
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>>385666327
Pretty much my situation. I'll get back to Ram one day though. Eventually.
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I'm having the most trouble with jump cancels and continuing ground combos from aerial hits. Is there any character that uh, has less of this?
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>>385667348
she'll always be waiting for you to get good, anon
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webm pls, I'm too lazy.

https://youtu.be/EJv8gyAyV3s?t=15m6s
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>main Raven
>get hatemail
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>>385667476
Potemkin and Leo.
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>>385667692
No, its because you're a stupid frogposter.
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>>385667476
don't switch characters just because you can't do jump cancels or air combos, just practice and learn how to do it. you'll be better off in the long run
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>>385665898
How are Axl and May more dishonest than fucking Sin?
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>>385667476
Sin. Granted his Hawk Baker corner carry has air to ground continuations but theyre so easy it hurts.
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I wish I could've married Dizzy.
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>>385639859
Faust will always be my main dude but I'd like to pick up Axl too just for the heck of it
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>>385665898
>I-no not high IQ
Immediately disregarded. I-no is one of the hardest characters to play besides Venom. Her entire kit is about shutting down your opponents jumping offense.
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>>385667957
Sin just has Beak Driver going for him. Even his most dishonest gimmicks like covering your mix up with Voltaic Deign and fuzzy j.H crossups need atleast 50 meter to work and some decent execution to boot. May has some legitimately bullshit dolphin setup that are not only burst safe, they hurt and cost 25 meter only. Cant say the same for Axl though.
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>>385668023
Faust mains warm my heart. You are a shining light
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>>385667957
> people hate sin so much they don't even know what dishonest mean anymore and give him that branding anyway
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>>385668021
Shut up Ky
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Ok.

Someone explain to me the concept of honesty/dishonesty in terms of a fighting game


And why is my man Johnny Bravo on the dishonest part of the scale.
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>>385667476
Like the other anon said, don't give up just because you can't jump cancel now. I also thought that they were impossible but now, just by practicing, I'm able to do them with no problems. You'll be surprised how you much you'll learn that at first seems impossible to execute.
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>>385668117
>Sin just has Beak Driver going for him
And both an overhead and a slide that cover 3/4ths of the screen while letting him cancel them? And half his shit is burst safe by itself.
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Intelligence required for a character doesn't matter because the amount of practice you'll do with your character will make you smart enough to play venom
Honesty is a dumb meme trying to discredit people who are good by crybabies who don't like "muh jank"
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>>385668381
gonna need a source in this for my studies
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Does everyone have character specific combos on the level of Johnny? Reading the combo list for him is quite daunting as a new player.
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>>385668410
It's just terms from salty losers who can't beat a "cheap" character. Basically they're mad they lost so they need to invent a term to why.
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>>385668464
UNGA
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>>385668376
Dishonest and low IQ basically just means "characters I don't like because they slammed my boipucci."
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>>385668464
But is it trash?
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>>385641340
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>>385668410
>touch the opponent
>get level 3 instantly
>be + on everything you do
>get gorilla damage with that super that autoconverts every hit
how is that honnest
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>>385668559
I play chipp
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>>385668523
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=60683339
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>>385668630
this list is actually 10x better
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>>385668543
no, not at all. Johnny is extremely more focused on them, which makes him so tough to master
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>>385668559
>that one "high IQ" millia guy in the other thread that wrote like 5 posts worth of why sol is garbage and can never beat millia and then ducked a fight with a sol guy saying that he was at work and didn't even have the game
At least the unga guys play the game.
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>>385668460
Bull bash is fair. Its by no means dishonest. If you mindlessly jump or airdash in without considering it exists, its all on you. You have ample time to FD while in the air as well.

Elk Hunt used to be bullshit since its +2, but now its 0 on block and is only ever safe when you cancel into BD, something thats usually a bad habit for Sin to do unless you confirmed your hit. Gimmicks that involve delay charging BD after block Elk'd is quickly snuffed by 2P, and any person savvy enough to know the Sin matchupeven know that once Sin reaches 50% or less calories, its the time they play less aggresively and try to eat safely so its usually a telegraphed move when they spam Elk>Beak. If were going to call a slide bullshit, look no further than Ky's Stun Dipper.
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>>385667949
>>385668434
Then I guess I still have no idea who to play because I'll be grinding the basic combo section for several hours per character.
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>>385668559
I'm guessing UNGA is a term for braindead easy character? I just started playing fighting games and REV 2 is my first serious attempt to learn.
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>>385668523
That kinda thigh meat makes me consider dropping Haehyun as my waifu.
But I will not succumb to that sorta temptation.
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>>385668460
His overhead is pretty slow though. It's definitely one of the more reactable overhead. Slide is good but beatable and he's forced to cancel to more special on block to not be negative which waste more of his food meter. He's not the most absolutely burst safe character neither.

>>385669179
It's okay. You most likely will give up after looking at dizzy's command list anyway
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>>385669009
You're still + if you space it correctly
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>>385668630
The only accurate list posted yet.
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>>385668410
It's basically about the work required to success with the character as opposed to the work required to success against the character. A character with gimmicky setups easy to execute but really hard to confront is dishonest, or a character with moves that are + on block or have really good hitboxes, effectively giving it an unfair advantage on the neutral game lacking of risk.
In the end is just a topic to shitpost about and should never be taken too seriously.

>>385669009
But if you block it you are now having to block all his shit from basically fullscreenv while having no change to actually counter it since it's almost entirely hitboxes.

>now its 0 on block and is only ever safe when you cancel into BD
0 on block is not safe now?

>>385669251
It's not about getting hit but about blocking it and getting stuck in a blockstring that with enough food couls skyrocket your RISC meter.
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>>385668630
What's wrong with Answer?
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>>385669146
Unga is basically a character that's really strong and will rush you down and press buttons to beat the shit out of you. Raven is called braindead too but he isn't necessarily unga because projectiles are a big part of his kit. Sol and Leo are usually considered unga. If someone uses the term unironically they're pretty much shit at the game because the unga shit Leo does is very fucking risky and punishable at high level play and requires good reads and decisions by the Leo player. Same with Sol to an extent but he's a bit more complex.
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>>385669146
When someone says UNGA they're saying anyone can use that character by just mashing buttons.
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>>385669409
>>385669443
So it's like the caveman term UNGA BUNGA. Makes sense.
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>>385668543
If you watch Omito play he rarely uses character specific stuff outside of throw combos. You can honestly even get away without those but being able to get lvl 3 mist and knockdown off throw helps a lot. Karinchu is the only one I see go for ridiculous character specific stuff, but it isn't need to do really well with Johnny.
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Is May unga?
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PC lobby when?
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>>385669664
nope. the charge moves and sea creatures require too much thought, can't just mindlessly hit buttons like Leo
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>>385669664
No she's just a dumb smelly fishy fake loli that needs fish to fight for her.
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>>385669384
Just block low and watch the Sin's calorie gauge. His only options to open you up are run up throw,run up j.D>Vulture Seize/Voltaic Deign, leap cancel overhead (very unsafe and telegraphed) or just retreat with air backdash/backdash yrc eat. Punish them by overcommitting to cancels.

0 on block is safe yes, but players who know this will push buttons that are faster than yours and they'll start pressure. Basically you better space that Elk properly or cancel it lest your opponent capitalize on this and start their game.
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>>385669664
Only bunga.
>get opponent with IAD>j.S t the start of the round
>he's already at about 50% life
Other than that she's pretty normal, she doesn't have the vortex mid-screen anymore, too.
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>>385669664
her jumping heavy moves qualify as unga. I dare anyone to AA that shit.
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>>385669705
I'll put an east coast one up in like a half hour if one isn't up, but I'm only going to spectate cause my left hand isn't in the best shape right now.
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>>385669849
In my experience those lose to a lot of shit. j. 2HS loses to 5P, even. The j.S is the real shit, and that loses to most anti-airs still, although some characters (Sin, Ky) have it easier than others (Bedman, Baiken).
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How hard is Bedman to pick up? Dude's fun as fuck and looks like he has mixups for days but trying to keep track of his Deju Vu placements and where best to use them is a headache in itself.
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>>385669849
>>385670112
do most May get into people by jumping in and doing j2h or js usually? im trying to learn her but i feel like im spamming j2h into 2d into dolphin way too much
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>>385670248
I've played online for weeks and have seen every character except Venom and Bedman. I'd say that's a good indication of how hard he is to play.
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Who should I pick if I have no idea who to pick after 1p fiddling?
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>>385670112
>>385670319
Her j.2HS is used as part of the dolphin setup. After she knocks you down, she summons vertical dolphin then YRC it near you while she does j.2H directly above you. Since it has crossup hitbox, you better know which direction to block or AA or eat a good chunk of CH damage. You can use Blitz though but the dolphin will screw that up if they delay it
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>>385670534
Sol, Ky, Leo, Elphelt, or Sin. Or Raven if you want to engagae maximum shitter mode.
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