Dungeon Thread

Who complains about Grimrock 2? It's a massive improvement over the first and one of the best games in the genre imo.

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>>385627716
>someone else called Wizardry a dungeon crawler instead of a "RPG"
Have a (You), you deserve it. I don't play dungeon crawlers, unless they're 3D action dungeon crawlers like the Bitterblack Isle part of Dragon's Dogma or Vagrant Story, but I do play roguelikes and picrelated was a pretty fun dungeoneering experience.

>>385627716
I like arx Fatalis.

wish they'd make another but with the same sort of depth,

sadly if they made another it would be designed around consoles, and thus eliminate the interesting/frusterating magic system (you draw runes on screen with your mouse, you can easily mess them up though)

Arx Fatalis is just an interesting setting because it's like a blend of fantasy and post-apocalypse

>>385628174
>Who complains about Grimrock 2?
Who else but /v/?

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Towers > Dungeons

>>385628436
play ultima underworld

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>>385628479
Better tower coming through

>>385628463
>Who else but /v/?
/v/ doesn't complain about Grimrock unless someone starts calling it a RPG and triggers the roleplaying autsits.

>>385627716
Have you tried Heroes of the broken land?

>>385628174
the only complaint I've really heard about it is that it isn't just one big dungeon but the multple areas are better imo you can tackle the game in any order and not get stuck on puzzles

>>385628309
I never finished it.
Like never, I get to the robot levels but after that its just whatever.

Its still good for whatever damn reason.

>>385628479
if you think about it, towers are just dungeons rotated 180 degrees

LA MULANA 2 WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

>>385629049
>Its still good for whatever damn reason.
I found it very addicting because of the crafting system. Literally couldn't stop playing because I loved to craft shit in the game so much.

>>385629202
Its a bit over the top, though.
Sure steamcrafting is great but that rubber stuff and whatnot are just silly.

>>385628309
>Dragon's Dogma
that game has possibly the worse rpg systems ever created

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Worst tower.

>>385628309
wizardry is an rpg dungeon crawler
They're pretty much a D&D campaign DMd by the computer, and they have the same amount of roleplaying as the average tabletop D&D campaign too, I don't know why people get angry at this.

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this is the greatest of all dungeon crawlers and no game comes close.

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>that last dungeon though
I swear to god i spent 1/4 of the game there.

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>>385627716
this dungeon pic should trigger anyone that's old enough

>>385628841
No, but after looking at some videos, I'm adding that shit to my wishlist for sure. Thank you, friendo.

>>385629880
Daggerfall or Arena?

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>>385627716
I started playing TES: Arena today, the game was easier to get into than I thought.

Is there a stat I should be focusing on in this game? I've just been dumping everything into Agility for the bonus to hit.

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>>385630042
daggerfall

i never beat it as a kid i was too dumb to get past the 10,000 acre dungeons

or the werewolf would spawn in a wall and you couldn't find it ......................................

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>>385627716
Did anyone play this?

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Are there any good dungeon crawlers that play like Ergheiz? That was fun as hell when I was a kid.
https://youtu.be/nYcI5KDXGK4?t=241

>>385630121
That cannot be real what the fuck. I tried to start playing Daggerfall this week and I've yet to even go into another dungeon other than that first one

Are there any party based rouge like dungeon crawlers on steam? I just want to make a group of adventurers and delve into a dungeon and find loot.

>>385630583
Yep. Fuck the horned dudes that turn you to stone.

>>385630706
The Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath games are a lot like that.

>>385629135
Right after the curry party.

Fuck I shouldn't have made this joke. I want curry now.

>>385630583
literally one of my all time favorite games. fuck you rotating traps. And fuck you harder, floor of nothing but rotating traps.

>>385630886
Dungeon of the Endless was fun, but there's no character creation option. It was nice to see how certain characters interacted though.

>>385630030
Is that...a Tower of Duraga remake?

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>>385630706
I'd recommend Xanadu Next.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312560/Xanadu_Next/

>>385631124
>Dungeon of the Endless
Yeah I played that one. Enjoyed it a lot. The tower defense mechanic was pretty fresh. Just found later levels to be hard as all fuck.

>>385630706
I have never heard of this game before today, but goddamnit, I want it.

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>>385627716
>never played a wizardry game
>know that the japs have the license and made some games
>devs also made elminage
>"huh...guess i'll try that out"
>grindfest with bullshit rules like limited map usage
>"Wow... was wizardry really this shit?"
>play wizardry 6
>it's a great game with puzzles, world building and really moderate amounts of combat
>turns out the nips have been carbon copying wizardry 1-5 for 20 years
>not even considering the innovation that the series itself has brought

Why?
Just fucking why?

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>>385629489
For me it's mordor

>>385631641
Everytime I try and get into Wizardry 1, I get mad confused by the layout, and the fact that there are like, 6 people in the tavern already that are all dead as shit. I just want ONE version of Wizardry 1 without a shit UI.

>>385631641
japs have absolute garbage taste

>>385630030
>>385630030

Turn based rogue-like. The death penalty is kind of a non-issue. You can mark several pieces of equipment to survive your death, as you enhance this feature you eventually get to keep one from almost all slots.

Before dying you are reduced to 1hp and you always get an escape-dungeon-feather you can use to get out.

What I really didn't like about this and why I never finished it were the fucking fire wizards. Being wizards they hit ridiculously hard. They have priority on movement and full screen range so pretty much every encounter they get to roast you at least once. They can teleport and since they have priority it means you can in to attack them and than find yourself missing because they warp away.

I lost so many runs the these guys just showing up and fucking my shit up with no real counter play. The best I found was to use stones that nuke the whole screen so theres no safe place for their teleport. Trouble is these stones are rare and towards they end these guys just come at you like your giving out free beer

>>385631641
Because early Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy which every Japanese boy EVER in the 80s and 90s played were copies of wizardry 1-5.

As far as the Japs were concerned that is how an RPG is and should be. By the time any more advanced WRPGs were sent to the Japan had already made a million JRPGs copying the mold that FF and Dragon Quest showed them and everyone and their loli-imouto-tsunade-mother in Japan expected that.

Even to this day the nips still just make copies of wizardry 1-5. Their idea of innovation is adding a super meter to each character that plays a 30 second cutscene.

>>385633127
>Because early Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy which every Japanese boy EVER in the 80s and 90s played were copies of wizardry 1-5.

More precisely: They were copies of both Ultima and Wizardry, taking the most mundane features of both and leaving out the fun interactivity.

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>Replaying Strange Journey, having fun
>Reach Eridanus
And there goes the fun

Who /pirating Forgotten Realms The Archives Collections 1 2 and 3 from gog/ here

>>385633472
i bought those when they were dirt cheap
not even gonna bother pirating that shit as long as the GoG client gives me an overview of how much time i've spent with those games.

Eye of the Beholder is my favorite so far and also a pretty damn good game.

>>385631641
I don't get it either. Wizardry 6 was such a huge leap over 5 it's insane, especially if you're playing the SNES version instead of the eye and ear cancer PC release.

>>385630749
Not only is it real, the map is FAR more obtuse and annoying to read ingame.

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>>385633472
I actually bought them on the last sales
>>385633735
are you using the goldbox companion?

>>385629880
Seriously though. I know some games stretch the definition of a dungeon a little but Daggerfall's is way out there.
How is it even practical to hold prisoners inside a massive maze?

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LoG 1 and 2 were fun.
The atmosphere was top notch for sure.

My last dungeon game I enjoyed was Underrail - which technically took place in a fuckhuge megadungeon. Exploration and combat were all thrilling!

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>>385631228
Seconding this. Great interconnected design makes the dungeon exploration fantastic.

I hope that with Ys 7 getting a proper PC port, Xseed will also bring over Brandish.

>>385633904
wizardry 8 or whatever seems to have kept some features that are interesting, like keyword search in order to ask about stuff

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Friendly reminder that Wizardry 1 and 2 still hold up with where are we. Adds automapping and instant spell look when you need it.

>>385636651

Shit I meant Might and Magic 1 and 2.

https://www.eskimo.com/~edv/lockscroll/WhereAreWe/

>>385636193
haven't really tackled SSI games that deeply yet.

got no problem with taking notes though.

>>385630114

Rebind jump to space bar in dosbox and it's surprisingly still playable. I'd get a guide and focus on mainline quests exclusively though. None of the side quests are really worth your time.

>>385629335
>t, someone who didn't get to bitterblack isle

>A cockatrice gives my entire party petrification, I have to rush away from the fight in order to scrounge for a cure in another room, make it back in time to cure them
>Wind up only saving one of my main pawn, somehow make it to a checkpoint and riftstone

The linear/dungeon layout really helps bring out the RPG elements.

I used to play some old game on a floppy called Talisman. It was all green line art or something. Shame I can't find it anymore and I've been mentioning it on /v/ for a decade.

>>385637154
I think he's referring to the way your stat upgrades are tied to your class.

>>385628174
I thought the first one was better. Exploring one massive dungeon was a lot cooler than having a ton of little ones you had to keep exiting out of and criss-crossing the same overworld to get to new ones. The story wasn't as cool either.

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>>385636747
>>385636651
Might and Magic 3 was a legitimately great RPG

Never got into 1 and 2 though.
The maps of those games are pretty cool.

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>there's likely never going to be a Grimrock 3

>>385631641
Japs think difficulty (regardless of source) is linearly related to fun in a game.

>>385637364
Oh, yeah that is pretty shit. It's like the game expects you to not switch classes too many times and do a new playthrough instead, which is fucking retarded because It's way too hit the maximum vocation level for like 6 classes by the time you even get to the everfall.

>>385637467
What's that mean? They like diffficult games or they don't?

This is the country that produces both arcade games (the hardest action games of all time) and jrpgs (the easiest games of all time)

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>>385631805
For me it's the McChicken

>>385632598
>Turn based rogue-like

That's redundant, m8. Like saying salty salt or sweet sugar.

I like variety in my dungeon crawlers. I hate seeing the same dungeon over and over, I like exploring a variety of them with different kinds of puzzles, with different themes, etc which is partly why I like LoG2 over LoG1.

What are some dungeon crawlers that have this, /v/?

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>>385637402

I think one of the best things about the program is that you can give it the cloth maps and it'll use them on the over world before you walk to places of interest. It's pretty neat having a less exact frame of reference before you go exploring. I believe it works for the first 5 games as well.

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>Wizardry 4

guys, what's the best atlus dungeon crawler?

>>385631641
Japan fears change. Just look at the reaction when DQ9 was first announced to be an action RPG. There were nearly riots in the street. DQ is a great example of how it is not allowed to change unless it's a spin-off game.

>>385637436

Blame games journalism for completely ignoring it when it came out. I didn't even know it did come out till years later.

>>385637934
It is. But around /v/ rogue-like means there is at least one variable in the code that is randomly generated and that a death penalty of some kind exists.

>>385638215
The game recieved universal praise from the media. It did poorly because of consumers this time.

>>385636651
>>385636747
Are there any mods to M&M 1 to increase the chance of running from nothing to almost palatable? That's what made me drop in the first place. I didn't mind running into random encounters I literally couldn't beat, I just couldn't stand the fact I could not run.

>>385638168
Strange Journey

>>385627716
Was considering Shining in the Darkness.
Usually play mostly EO.

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>>385632014
The Macintosh version. It has everything in separate windows, so you can see everything when you want to and organize it how you want.

>>385637701
Japs heavily believe in "being rewarded for your hard work". Arcade games require dedication to get good at. JRPGs require you to grind and focus on the game to get good at. Both feed into this mindset.

>>385638836
>being rewarded for your hard work

A flawed concept to begin with.

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>>385638635

With the default party it shouldn't be that difficult. Just remember sleep is your friend and will often put an entire troop to sleep. The magic system is fun to exploit in MM1 once you get used to it.

This program does have a nice hack that gives all party members the max stat gains which you might as well leave on because rng can ruin a character if you're not careful.

>>385638249
This. The word the other anon is looking for is Rogue-lite. Which is just Rogue-like minus one or more of the elements the 'hardcore' rogue-like fans demand for it to be rogue-like.

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>>385638924
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>>385637147
I found out about that shit in Stonekeep

>Press shift J to skip the entire dungeon

Top Kek, Bethesda.

>>385638981
No, believe me, I abused the SHIT out of sleep. The problem is I would go into the overworld, run into 30 gargoyles, and then try to run and I couldn't escape for the 10 turns needed for them to thrash my shit in because I literally can't do anything.

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*angry snake noises*

>>385636568
Wiz8 was developed by Sit-Tech, same as all previous.
They're talking about nip Wizardry's

>>385638813
That's cute. How do I run a mac-emulator?

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How are Might and Magic X and Starcrawlers?

Starcrawlers looks fucking baller.

>>385639105

There are some over world locations that are basically murder holes. Did you find that through pure exploring or were you trying to complete aquest .

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>>385639115
ZOIIIIING

AH-HA

>>385639385
I was just trying to get somewhere other than the first town, and I would run into shit that would be highly resistant to sleep, or outright immune to everything except magic weapons. And just trying to run over and over and over and over and now I'm dead.

>>385639443
FUCK I love Wizard Eye's sfx. I might make a clip of it and turn that into my ringtone.

>>385638215
Several of the PC centric sites covered it decently. It wasn't ignored by any stretch. Face it, you can't blame games journalism for everything, what it ultimately comes down to is the shittiness of millennials.

>>385628479
I'd disagree, disregarding some extremely absurd settings towers will always be limited in their horisontality

>>385639505

You really don't want to leave the first town until everyone is level 3.

Anyone else think Grimrock would have been 100x better with a turn based combat option?

>>385639216
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_mac

It looks like archive.org is down now, but when it's back up, that has everything you need.

>>385639721

Easily better than the garbage tile dancing the game has. 100% better. Still good games though.

>>385639721

Nah, then it wouldn't have the same draw as a Dungeon Master clone.

I'd love to see a modern MM and Wizardry spiritual successor though.

>>385639698
I was level 4. Stop making excuses and tell me if someone fixed the run option or not, because that shit was fucking broken with the philosophy of old school D&D.

>>385639721
no

squaredancing is the greatest

>>385627716
I can't get into Grimrock. I hate how it's bugged and buffers your movement if you hold down a movement button. I'll let go, but my dude will continue moving like two squares in the direction I was going.

>>385639278
>Might and Magic X
ubitrash

>Starcrawlers
Fun but rather shallow, simplistic and repetetive

>>385638682
I.. was thinking none smt.

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Grimrock was the tits

>>385640131
PEBKAC. Just fucking tap the keys instead of holding them down.

>>385631085
simple curry best curry, chicken onion, garlic, spices

>>385640324
Yes, a buggy game is problem with me. I should just work around the issue instead of the author fixing it.

>>385640274
Etrian Odyssey, Dark Spire

>>385639115
Why do all of your character have retarded looks on their faces?

>>385640423
The game doing what you told it to do isn't a bug, just you being a moron.

>>385631641
I tried wiz 8 and after huge battle number eighteen I couldn't do it anymore. Shame, I liked everything else about it. Maybe i'll pick it up again and just spam chameleon or something.

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>>385640483
M&M is a pretty goofy and humorous series

>>385640452
I couldn't get into Dark Spire. Everything murdered the fuck out of me, and by the time I got to a point where I could reasonably handle fights, I got stuck on the second floor because I couldn't find a way past the casino. There's NOTHING on that floor. And just fuck that basement in general.

>>385639505
Got you covered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-qxU0MJNhA

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The best dungeons are the ones with something inside them which can kill you instantly and are unable to be killed.

Right /v/?

>>385640584
Install Wiz8Fast next time. All the giant trash mobs go by way quicker.

>>385628309
>3D action dungeon crawlers
Name some

>>385640276
>That one part of Grimrock 1 where 3 spiders literally appear out of nowhere and you're instantly surrounded and being attacked by them all at once
It actually made me scream.

>>385640803
I love it when you spend 40 minutes trying to kill something and then looking it up and finding out you're suppose to run away from it. It's the best.

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>find a secret button on a wall
>press it expecting goodies
>get teleported into a room with a bunch of active mimics

Why was this allowed?

>>385640936
Oh that's me and Dragons Dogma
Felt like a retard because my pawns kept shrieking at me WE SHOULD FUCK OFF THIS THING CANNOT BE KILLED the whole time while i thought they're setting it up how heroically we overcame seemingly impossible challenge
Welp

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>tfw /v/ has no love for Paper Sorcerer

>>385641196
My problem with shit like this is that I run away and then find out later that if you do manage to beat the cunt he drops the best armor in the game or some shit.

>>385640964
They are actually gold mimics, they are coins that take the form of a monster, just walk over them for loot

>>385640423
It's not really a bug. It's just how the game is designed. It measures movement in squares, not steps. The slight awkwardness of it is sort of justified by the idea that you're playing as four people who are shackled to each other, so you don't have quite the same freedom of movement you'd normally have. I didn't find it that hard to get used to.

>>385640803
Am I the only one who didn't like Pikmin 2?
Recently rebought the first with wiimote support and decided to get around to pirating the second game, and it lacks like 80% of the charm of the original.
The overworld is pretty boring, there's no puzzles and the leveldesign seems bland. The dungeons are alright I suppose, hopefully they get better further into the game (I'm a bit more than halfway).
Have you played pikmin 3? Heard it was more like 1 than 2.

>>385638813
Man, what is it about games using the system windows that makes me so giddy and happy?

>>385641369
I like that aesthetic.

>>385627716
I've been playing Wizardry 1 on SNES and it's amazing how well this game holds up to this day my only gripe is with the unfair difficulty at times which pretty much forces me to savescum like a madman, I'm kinda tempted to make a new party and start all over. Also is there a way to get rid of Level Drain while in battle?

>>385641481
Nice try, mimic.

>>385641551
>sort of justified by the idea that you're playing as four people who are shackled to each other
It's even more justified by the fact that it's a tile based game, so you do things by tile instead of holding the button down like a monkey trying to figure out how buttons work.

>>385641196
I hate it when games does this, in my opinion it goes against every principle of video game design. The worst offenders are bosses that can't be killed, but if you die you have to restart the fight, and the only way to proceed is to let the fight drag on for a certain amount of time without giving you any indication of this.

>>385641369
I beat it anon, I tried going through it again but the battle pacing needs to be speeded up a smidge. Also desperately needs a 5th character spot.

>>385641720
not him, but different guy

If you actually stand still and don't attack, they start vomiting rare items.

I'm curious, are there any decent rougelikes on Steam?
All I can think of is Caves of Qud, and Dungeons of Dredmore.

Hard to find rougelikes when anything with a randomized map and permadeath claims that title nowadays.

>>385641626
Because it's old school and reminds you of simpler times. Times where things could exist for their own sake instead of having to be fancy and pretentious.

But those times are gone anon. You can never get them back, even things from that era are a shallow imitation of themselves when stripped from the context of their time. Chasing those memories of something that no longer exists will only lead to despair. It's all gone. All gone forever.

>>385640801
This is now my phone tone. Thank you friend.

Legend of Grimrock was fun, but it did get annoying having to always look at every wall piece to make sure you didn't miss a secret switch. The controls aren't really great for that. And then there are the secret switches that only appear once or twice in the whole game, look different, and appear on a different part of the wall.

I was also somewhat irritated by that one puzzle that requires you to have some very specific clutter items that there's a good chance you've discarded because they've had no real use so far and it's late in the game, so you're starting to run out of inventory space. It was annoying to have to run around for 20 minutes trying to remember where I dropped that skull to make room for some food.

>>385642052
I was born in 92 though since it's not like I played games like it growing up and have any nostalgia for it.

>>385641369
What the FUCK is that gorgeous shit?

>>385640494
This. Instead of holding, tap it once for each square. Why is anon so insanely retarded?

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>>385641756
The problem is you're playing Japanese games. Only Japanese games have that kind of bad design, the kind that stems from an almost inhuman misunderstanding of how things should work. You can avoid that by limiting your playing to western games, whose designers don't believe in punishing players for giving them money.

>>385642015
>non-free software
Not a roguelike

>>385628309
dungeons of dredmor was fucking awful

AWFUL

>>385642015
There's Ancient domains of Mystery on steam, don't know how good it is, never played.
Tales of Maj-Eyal - my absolute favorite, currently have 600 hours in it. But it's not traditional "Rogue"-like, as i understand it it's Angband-like branch of roguelikes and there seems to be a lot of people who hate it guts.
Also tons of shallow garbage a-la destop dungeon but whatever

>>385642253
You still remember Windows 95 and 98. Even if you only experienced the tail end of it, that's enough for your mind to latch onto, to extrapolate, to embed this ideal of a now gone time. You got to see the world just before everything went to hell, even if you didn't get to see all of it.

>>385642241
I'd have about 5 hours less playtime on my save if I didn't have to go and scrutinize every wall in the game. Ffs that was tedious.

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>>385629712
This was really good too

>>385642390
Fair enough.

>>385642402
Huh, for some reason I thought Maj-Eyal was real time. Might give it a try then.

I am playing Stranger in Sword City and it's pretty nice. Making the MC a wizard was a bad decision so I'll probably restart with a ninja dual classed into a samurai later.

>>385642402
>Tales of Maj-Eyal
>not a traditional roguelike
ToME isn't a roguelike, Binding of Isaac is. /v/ logic.

>>385642614
Yeah but I didn't ever play any games incorporating the system windows.

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>>385639930
>Squaredancing

>>385627716
>>385628174
I didn't like Grimrock 2 too much. Good dungeon and enemy design, but the RPG mechanics were very bad. The classes and races are very imbalanced. Grimrock 1 had this problem as well, so it's disappointing that they didn't seem to learn much. That said I would probably still recommend it for someone to buy if they could get it on sale.

>>385642761
There's no need to rush and buy ToME, it's actually free on their website, the Steam release was asked for by fans to have all the steam benefits of achievements, workshop and all that.
Base game is enough to last months-to-years without addons. Not to mention you aren't supposed to play the addon without finishing base game, and having it turned on will make your life miserable.

>>385642892
You don't have to, it's enough for elements of the time to have latched onto your psyche for it to take hold. From that, you can extrapolate the rest. People from the 60s who didn't go to Woodstock are still taken back to that time by hearing about it, because it's the spirit of the time that digs into your mind, not just the individual parts of it.

>>385643105
I actually never heard of it before, and 6 dollars is pretty minuscule if I end up liking it. I just picked it up and will be giving it a go after I'm done with the new PoE expansion.

>>385639721
Yes. At 1080p the icons you have to click in the bottom right are so small it takes a lot of precision, which is hard to do when I'm also having to watch the middle of the screen and maneuver around WASD to just not get hit. My biggest problem with the game but it was still aiight.

>>385637154
You told that like you thought it was an interesting story that somehow proved DD has deep RPG mechanics. It's not, and it doesn't. DONT waste our time.

>>385642783
>tfw when your party has to recruit their 6th wizard
>RIP, previous wizards of our merry band

>>385643265
>6 dollars is pretty minuscule
Wait until you start having to pay costs of living.

>>385636385
>Underrail

Im fucking hyped for the expansion. Finally we get shotguns

>>385643461
>everyone must be working at McDonalds like me
Hi, underaged.

>>385643603
Must be nice being a trust fund baby.

>>385627716
>>Games with a large emphasis on the dungeon, like Legend of Zelda or La Mulana

This was your mistake when creating the thread

>>385642787
It's not my logic, i'm just trying to not trigger roguelike autists who usually start screeching loudly every time that game is mentioned because it doesn't follow Rogue to a T and is more like Angband

>>385643675
Nah, you should've definitely tried in college, though.
>omg 6 bucks, how can you be so wasteful?
If 6 bucks can influence your finances, you fucked up hard somewhere along the way

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Surprised no one's mentioned Skyrim. Not just the greatest dungeon action, but the game that fucking redefined RPGs. The only game that gives you true immersion by letting you do whatever you want. And with mods, it lasts forever.

>>385643461
If your budget is so tight that you can't afford rent over a matter of $6 you really need to evaluate your life.

>>385643845
That you think college is something you can freely choose to do is proof that your parents are paying for everything. College is not an option for people who didn't get a bunch of money from mommy and daddy just for existing.

College is a waste of time anyway. I've been turned down for more jobs because of my degree than I'm sure I would've been without it.

I don't know that much about the genre, but there's something I'd like to try.
Any game like that where you have a nice village/house/town to come back to and enjoy for a while after staying some hours on a dungeon?

>>385644440
Not every country abides by anarcho-capitalist zionism where going to the doctor or going to a school where you won't get stabbed by niggers costs over 9000 dollars.

>>385644440
I'm not going to turn this into the college thread, but I grew up in a fucking trailer and paid for college myself. Don't blame the world for you not having the skill or drive to succeed, 6dollar-kun

>>385644204
im not buying skyrim Todd

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One thing I wanted in Breath of the Wild was to explore the large world and find dungeons like the previous games. Are there any big open world games with a lot of dungeons to find, hidden or out in the open?

>>385640801

How do you turn a youtube into a ring tone

>>385642783
Is SoSC on Steam the broken shitty original version or the updated version?

>>385627716
Grimrock 2 is better in every aspect of the first game, except for 2 things.

Toorum and you can't port monsters from the first game to the second game to create custom dungeons (this reason is obvious, but still sad)

Might and Magic 7 is the comfiest dungeon crawler ever

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man i really want to play "Shining the Holy Ark" but im not sure if it runs well on a emulator.
anybody with experience with Saturn emulators?

Is Devil Survivor Overclocked one of them shin gummy dungeon crawlers?
I bought it over a year ago, but still havent even launched it.

>>385645508
SSF is a great Saturn Emulator. Haven't played many 3D games on it, but works way better than Yabause.

>>385643813
Literally no one would say Maj'Eyal is not a roguelike. You're just looking for an imaginary enemy to get mad over.

>>385645213
Google Youtube Audio Downloader, feed site youtube link, ???, profit.

>>385627716
If you haven't played Ultima Underworld then you're missing out.

>>385645518
No, it's a Tactical RPG. And it's a little grind heavy depending which path you take.

>>385645508
Iirc this and Beyond Oasis 2 were working satisfyingly when i tried them like 7 years ago

currently playing tales of maj eyal but its being kind of a pain by lagging and even crashing/giving errors.
very fun when it works though

>>385644204
>install 400 mods
>start game
>nothing to do
>unsintall

at this point modding it is a more fun experience, I get to pretend like I know programing or something, a true role-playing experience.

>>385645770
Clearly you weren't in roguelike threads few months ago where exactly that was happening with much shitflinging.

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>be hyped for darkest dungeon on vita
>it has the most horrible UI and control scheme ever created

why live

>>385644828
Sure, but the US does, and I'm guessing that's where he's from.

>>385645282
>you can't port monsters from the first game to the second game to create custom dungeons
Really? I'd have thought that would have been one of the easier things to do.

>>385646110
Even the most old school roleplayers only define roguelikes by is the Berlin interpretation. That you have to appeal to "some thread from months ago" makes it clear you're either making shit up, or possibly you were getting trolled and are one of those people who are just too stupid to spot bait.

>>385642382
it still isn't out? jesus fucking christ

>>385630121
>>385630749
>>385635819
It's not real. That's a fan-made dungeon using Daggerfall Tools for Unity. He was testing his dungeon generator by making massive dungeons with 30+ internal blocks. The largest dungeons in vanilla Daggerfall have like 8-10, and those are the main quest dungeons which are more square shaped in general than that image, so there's far fewer border blocks used to close them off.

Don't get me wrong, Daggerafll's dungeons are still ridiculously over-sized and difficult to navigate, but even the worst of them are a small fraction of the size of that thing.

>>385646558

You can't rush perfection.

>>385629880
they were so advanced in the 90s
can't believe it's 2017 and nothing's ever compared

>>385628174
>shit balance (gun builds suck)
>"I really hope you like heavy weapons because they are the only treasure and loot you will ever find"

Aside from that I liked it. The "Serious Sam" scene when you exit the piramid is worth the price tag.

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>>385627716
First real RPG I ever played as a kid. Every now and then one of the cave songs plays in my head when I go dungeon crawling...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5IKe_GpigQ

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>>385642382

Wake me when its not 40 bucks

I've been playing a lot of dungeon travelers 2.

This game is a fucking incredible dungeon crawler. It even makes all the fanservice not incredibly cringe-inducing by having the MC basically go 'no way, fag' to every instance and then enslave whoever did it.

Combine that with a lot of different build options, team synergy, and free infinite resets at level breakpoints makes building your party a lot of fun.

Dungeons are generally pretty high quality, though some of them have bullshit high encounter rates that gets entirely tedious samsara

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>>385646832

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>>385636530
I'm rooting for Dinosaur Resurrection myself.

>>385641552
Pikmin 1 definitely has more charm. 2 has more content with all the dungeons. It's quantity over quality, but for a lot of people it's a good trade.

>>385646505
You seem too wound up for no particular reason. Have a tea or a cup of water.
I just said i had bad experience with some roguelike fans here who were calling ToME not roguelike because it has a pre-set map with same dungeons instead of everything randomized and unlockable classes and what not.
Chill out

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>>385627716
Dark Spire. Legit. Newer and retro. Soundtrafck is great too.

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remember this gem?

>>385636385
>Underrail
Mein neger, the amount of times I got lost due to no map but I would not want it any other way.

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>>385646150
>create an UI that's almost perfect for touch devices
>game is perfect for short bursts of on the go action
>don't make android/ios ports
Fuck red hook

>>385647354
It's the first RPG I've played where I drew my own map. Fun times.

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>>385637780

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Why can't western dungeon crawlers have as well-designed and deep combat systems as Etrian Odyssey? It's only ever Tiltowait spam.

>>385631228
>Xanadu Next
Not him, but i just bought this.
Is using a controller viable?

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>>385628436
Arx Fatalis had an Xbox port. Also there was a fun reference to it in Prey.

>>385647516
It's viable for everything but the menus.

System Shock 1 is cool

>>385629489
Ultima Underworld is pretty incredible, it's a pity people write it off due to the lack of mouselook.

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How is The Quest? Should I buy it?

>>385647068
>You seem too wound up for no particular reason
>i'm just trying to not trigger roguelike autists who usually start screeching loudly
Uh-huh.

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Posting the cutest EO girl

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>>385647603
anyone that has played arx fatalis will immediately recognize this map

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>>385646910
It won't be 40 bucks because it won't be any price. It would have to exist to do that.

>>385647985

It's okay. One character only, the story isn't that interesting and it looke like a phone game (mostly because it is), but it still kept my interest for around 20 hours while I was abroad.

>>385647985
Seconding this, it looks great but I never see anybody talking about it.

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Has anyone played Swords and Sorcery Underworld? The incredible old school graphics caught my eye, is the gameplay as good?

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>>385648261

Oh shit.

>>385647985
I tried playing it, and it seems great in theory to me, but for some reason I haven't really been able to enjoy the game too much so I dropped it for now.

Anyone have any tips for the start? I hate that if you lie to the boy about bringing the girl instead to the guy in town, he'll take 10 gold from you and you're not able to do anything about it.

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>>385647828
I like how all the floors have a purpose on the station so it all makes sense sort of, even if the floor layouts are pretty wild

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>I unironically liked M&M 9

I didn't get past the big troll in LOG 1, should I just move to LOG 2 or try to play LOG 1 to it's end?

How do I into the Dungeon Crawler RPG genre?

>>385648005
If you aren't the ones i was talking about who dismiss tome as roguelike then why are you upset?

>>385647985
I've bought it few years ago before they went to Steam with high-res release.
It's pretty cool, i recommend it. It's kinda like TES a bit.
Another one that led me to the Quest and sparked insatiable DC hunger was Undercroft and later Orcs&Elves, check those out too

>>385637436
>literally the only game I ever bought day one
>it bombed

>>385649139
Don`t, they`re boring grindfests and most of the time the devs think mazes = good level design.

>>385649003

Well I mean you can tell they wanted to make an actual game from it

Just EA were being assholes and wanted the shit out well before that ham was cooked

Wolfenstein RPG and Doom RPG were pretty fun, in a somewhat casual sense. Played the shit out of them with... some old phone or other. Shame no one made a PC version.

Does System Shock count?

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I wish From would try another take on the King's Field/Shadow Tower type dungeon crawl. It's not that I don't like the more elaborate and outdoor environments in Souls games, but there's just a certain something about the first person dungeon crawl.

>>385647985
single character Might and Magic

Its actually boring as shit imo. Combat is a dull slog.

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>>385649190
You're projecting. There's nothing more /v/ than someone who's clearly upset saying everyone else is upset. But I'm not going to bother with you anymore because I'd rather talk about vidya.

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>>385649139
Lands of Lore. It's so simple that even someone dumbed down by modern """RPGs""" could play it, and it still looks and sounds pretty nice.

>>385649239
if that ain't the definition of immersive i don't know what is

>>385648143
You already did. Sassy-looking blondes are best girls.

>>385650431
Obviously not. Go read a book.

>>385649139
Pick up Brandish for the PSP/Vita. It's a great introduction course beyond the 101 of dungeons, which would probably go to Zelda.

>>385648143

Thats not the barefooted waifu at all

What game has the most complicated dungeons where you can get completely lost till the point you give up?

>>385647490
Vanilla EO2's Hexer was broken as shit and made the game piss easy.

>>385651079
Sure was. Just posted Hexer because it's my favorite class.

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>>385651075
Labyrinth of Touhou.

>>385651064

2001 was a strange time

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>>385649878
how playable are they on a pc?

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>>385650870
You mean barebutt?

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>>385643540
>>385647354
>>385636385
>Underrail
Why doesn't /v/ ever talk about this game?? Is it because it's good?

Also, expansion release date when?

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>>385651783
>mfw stuck at deep caverns
gib tips

>>385648925
As stupid and pointless as the room is, the giant ramp in the cargo area was one of my favorite things in the entire game.

Nice Jump

>>385628309
You might want to try other roguelikes. Started playing Stone Soup after I beat Dredmor, its on a whole different level from Dredmor.

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Dungeon Defenders 1 was a pretty cool game, but it got kinda ridicoulus on the nightmare difficulty

>>385651680
Easily emulated with a controller.

>>385652082
Dungeon Crawl is the easiest of the classic roguelikes by far. If you think that's hard, you have a long way to go.

>>385651692

I dont see any butts

>>385651680

Pretty playable, but not perfectly. You should also probably have a controller -- the controls take some getting used to at the best of times.

>KF1 (JP)
works fine, but you need to look for the fan-made translation patch because it was never released outside JP
>KF2 (JP)/KF
works fine, probably the best game to start with
>KF3 (JP)/KF2
works fine, hasn't held up as well as the one right before it
>Shadow Tower
works ok-ish
>KF4 (JP)/KF: The Ancient City
works in PCSX2, but not especially well. some weird problems with clipping and textures on moving geometry, slowdown in some larger zones, and an especially weird bug in two mid-game zones where it fails to reload an area you just left when you return to it so you walk through a door and abruptly fall into an empty void forever. This can be fixed by messing with the EE rounding mode, but is still a hassle.
>Shadow Tower Abyss
works well but needs fanmade translation patch.

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I wish more RPGs with dungeons had loot systems like Oblivion. The wide types of enchanted gear you could find made dungeons fun.

Even simple gear which just fortified attributes and skills was always a nice find.

>>385652353

No, but you can listen to what they smell like.

>>385651368
wh-what does the "love machine", do?

>>385652353
purple, next to sword.

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>>385646816
IT'S A FUCKING RANDOM MAZE USED FOR RANDOM QUESTS TO FIND RANDOM OBJECTS IN RANDOM LOCATION.

THERE IS NOTHING ADVANCED ABOUT IT.

>>385652602
Thank you very much anon

>>385652858
>random
if it were random there'd be collisions all over the place with zero logic to be found

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>>385652825

Oh shit, apparently I'm blind.

>>385652031
>mfw same
Work on your psi-skills more, I guess?

>>385653308
a very unremarkable ass anon, you didn't miss much.

unlike the first magic wand secret in Legends of Grimrock 2

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>>385653417
>work on your psi-skills more
I'm fucking melee kill me for making such a shit build

>>385649009
If the troll was too hard for you, LoG2 will destroy you. Finish LoG1 first.

>>385649857
If UU counts, System Shock counts. And so does Prey

>>385653018
That sounds like a Daggerfall dungeon.

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>>385642402
>shallow garbage a-la destop dungeon

>>385642015
binding of isaac, rogue legacy, terraria, arguably left 4 dead depending on whether the levels are random enough for you

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are you ready, Vitabros?

>>385627716
>played a pirated old version of Grimork 2
>you were able to dig some items
>bought the steam version one year after
>these items in these spots were long gone.

>>385655030
>rogue legacy
I know you're fishing for replies here but that game is a fucking sham. It's literally just a grind game a la dynasty warriors. There's absolutely no way to complete the game on a single life, it's just a matter of dying over and over until you've leveled up your skills to the point that the game is a cakewalk. No skill, no fun, no exploration, garbage level design, nothing in common with an actual roguelike, it's just a boring stat grind, you might as well play cookie clicker.

>>385655297
>etrian odyssey
>vita

I want a Dungeon Crawler like Grimrock, but without A) Grid-based movement and B) Working hotkeys, none of this manual clicking shit in the fucking corner to attack.

Suggestions?

>>385655493
>anyone besides that one poster owning a vita

>>385647245
Yeah it was pretty cool for it's time but it was nothing but repeating dungeons and pallet swapped enemies

>>385655297
How many of them will get tranlated?, i am not into moonrunes

>>385655503
>dungeon crawler without grid based movement
Ultima Underworld 1 & 2, Arx Fatalis, System Shock 1 and 2 and Prey. Maybe Dark Messiah of Might and Magic though I'm not sure I'd really call that a dungeon crawler.

Those are most of the classical style dungeon crawlers that don't have grid-based movement. If you're willing to expand your definition of dungeon crawler to non-First Person games, there's stuff like Ys Origin, Spelunky, Castlevania, Metroid, etc.

>>385656076
EO5 is a definite. DT2 probably. The others maybe but I'm guessing Vita localisations of games that don't also have PC/PS4 ports are going to start going the way of the dodo soon.

>>385656178
I just wanna explore a dungeon in first person, find loot, kill shit, and fight a boss at some point. Barony or Roomaze is a good example of what I'm looking for, but less early-accessy and more exploratory.

>>385655705
I own a vita, but buying it was the biggest mistake I've ever made with my wallet.
The only games I have on it are the shitty lego stuff that were included, monster quest minecraft, and trails of cold steel.
Currently it's just sitting on a shelf, didn't budge since 6 months.

>>385655503
Keep an eye on Bard's Tale IV.

>>385642382
has he submitted files to steam yet?

>>385656367
It's sad too because the Vita is good as a machine, Sony fucked it up by not letting anyone release anything on it.

>>385651783
There were quite a lot of threads during the release out of early access. Hopefully the expansion will let more people know about it. It gives me great joy to experience this nigga's passion for his game while I'm playing

>>385641660
Nope, I beat 1 and 2 on SNES, currently holding off a bit on 3 though.

Level Drain is exactly the kind of BS people save scum for. Just wait until you reach the final floor, where Poison Giants can party-wipe you on a surprise attack no matter what your build is or how overleveled you are.

>>385642402
ADOM is excellent, although I've only ever played the free version.

I did finally close the gates of chaos with a cheap as hell dark elf beastmaster, that guy could tear Greater Balors apart with his bare hands, it was incredible.

>>385643461
Damn, I forget how hard some people are struggling to make ends meet out there sometimes.

>>385644440
My parents were working class, so my school gave me a shitload of financial aid.

Granted not all schools do, and the ones that do are either state schools are hard to get into, but it can be done. Even though it worked for me I do acknowledge college is both too expensive for many yet also crucial for getting most good jobs.

>>385657068
Nope. The depot he says the files are in does in fact exist...but it's empty. That's how easy it is to trick the dumbasses who think Grimoire is coming out.

>>385627716
are there any Grimrock-style games available for android phones?

I've had absolutely 0 luck finding a phone game to capture my attention when I'm out and about, and I thought something like this might be good because it won't be too hampered by the tough screen

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>>385657916
My masterpiece will be the event of the century, you guys don't realize the magnitude of this piece of magnificent programming and artistic design, you people don't deserve my work, my passion and my amazing capabilities.

>>385658231
Download a ds emulator and play through Strange Journey and the first 3 Etrian Odyssey.

You also have the Dark Spire but I think the game emulate pretty badly

>>385655503
maybe Heroes of the broken land

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>>385659373
i believe in cleve!

>>385660992
That fulfills none of the three criteria he specified.

>>385661314
oh fuck its true, i misreaded

Anyone played pc version of The Keep?
3ds one was fun, but kept freezing on the 7th floor.

>>385659373
If only I could ever play GWIMWAH...
and just ride TUWTUWES all day.

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>>385649878
>>385628436
>>385628523
>>385629489
>>385647856
>all this talk about Kings Field, Arx and Underworld

Why is there not a single game like these out there?
I just want my one character action combat dungeon crawler RPG/immersive sim.
How can this be so hard?
There literally hasn't been a single game like these since fucking 2002
That is 15 (!!) god damn years!
And Elder Scrolls simply doesn't cut it with its boring ass mechanics and dungeons.

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If you haven't played Sakura Dungeon, you don't know what a real dungeon crawler is.

>>385661889
I've been thinking about getting that one.

Gift it to me and I'll tell you how it is.

>>385663336
sent.

>>385644204
>The only game that gives you true immersion by letting you do whatever you want.

Try breaking a door with a hammer then.
Oh wait... that doesn't work.

Are there any good games like this on android? Other than emulated games.

>>385627716

I've been meaning to get into SMT. Is the dungeon aspect good? Does the SNES game hold up to start from there?

>>385663913
Not really. You're already gimping yourself by insisting on playing games on mobile. Beggars can't be choosers.

>>385663024
>There literally hasn't been a single game like these since fucking 2002
Prey is System Shock 3 and System Shock is just Ultima Underworld in space. These games are few and far between but you're not going to get any more of them by ignoring the few that do come out.

>>385664145
>Prey is System Shock 3

I wonder if System Shock 3 will actually be more of System Shock 3 than Prey.

>>385664348
SS3 probably isn't going to be anything other than a piece of shit the way things are looking.

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>>385642382
what the fuck, am I being memed here?
this game looks like is 30 years old, how come such thing can be released today
not that I think it looks awful, but how?

>>385664907

To be fair it is a 20 year old game, had a long beta.

>>385627716
I wish Grimrock and Might & Magic Legacy X had a turn-based baby

>>385664907
>am I being memed here
yes
it's a 25 year old demo of Wizardry 7, which the dev stole when he was fired from Sir-Tech. There is no actual game coming out.

>>385664907
>how come such thing can be released today
I like how neo-/v/ is so offended that some people care about gameplay more than graphics that they think games like this should not even be allowed to exist.

>>385665367
I'm just remarking how anachronistic this game is you fucking twat

>>385665185
I like turn based more also. I wanted to like Grimrock but it feels so stupid and silly to keep backpedaling so I can hit the enemy and they can't hit me. Just lock it into a fight and give some combat skills to use.

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These fucking caves with the cavemen and lizards. You hear their breaths and footsteps as they're constantly closing in on you. Actually makes the real-time aspect of the game meaningful. More nerve-wracking than anything I remember from the dull tedium of Grimrock II.

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>>385630121
Why are there isolated rooms just floating in space? How do you get to these?

>>385667506
what game is this?