Pyre thread

>>385624828
I don't think that's implied in the text. You just can't cross the gate. Plus most people don't know there's anything beyond the sea.

>>385625090
I refuse to believe in anything but that the only people who did not take her are those who forgot to visit the wagon.

>>385625360
This.
What human could be so cold hearted?

>Hedwyn was there and proved to all that he was no deserter. He remained 'til the end.

That line in the final song, plus the fact that his bird waifu flies to the Downside to join him in the epilogue, and his dialogue during the final liberation rite choice, all reaffirm my decision to keep him with the rest of us in the Downside. Would a true master-general flee while his people still struggle and suffer?

>>385626031
But he didn't flee tho
He helped in the revolution and was hailed as Gol Golathanian reborn

>>385626031
He's the one i send to freedom first lel

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>>385626205
wonder if Supergiant games have stats on that.

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>>385626031
I send the first 3 nightwings to freedom first because i promised to get them all home.

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>>385626410
>Say to hell with the promise
>Send them all back up early
>Sacrifice myself
Best choice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izia56bxfiA
Ripfag here. Any requests?

>>385627137
Never to Return dissidents versions

>>385627717
On it

Has anyone made a run where they lose all liberation rites? Does the team start bickering and getting depressed? Do you get an ending where the Plan fails miserably?

>>385626343
I hope they release stats on what people named Chae.

>>385628016
I haven't but someone in the other thread said the Plan still succeeds, but violently.

>>385628016
If you have a 0% success rate the harpies come and massacre the commonwealth.

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>>385628124
Well that's kinda dark.

>>385627717
Uploading now, bumping to keep the thread alive

>>385628124
How do the harps even fight. In the credit drawings you see pam has human feet, I went through the game expecting huge talons from how lethal they were described in their war making.
Also how to get Tamitha to resolve her issues with Pam?
I guess Pam can only get a bittersweet ending, she met up with Rukey, was accepted back by her sisters, probably withheld their attack, then continued travelling alone for her life

>Finally finished the game today at 5am
>avoided the massive chain of Pyre threads all week to not get spoiled
>apparently there was a huge shitstorm and the fanbase is already dying out

God damn it, why did you faggots have to burn out so fast, I wanted to read about Pyre all day and everyone seems to have moved to another thing already.

>>385627717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivzU2zUEac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcjr7AUIXZw
Here you go anon

>>385629734
Nothing burned out. The shitstorm never ends.

>>385629734
Yeah threads ran their course. But it lasted way longer than Transistor on /v/.

Jf you want to talk about the game in the future itd probably be discussion of Transistor and Bastion and Pyre in one thread

>>385628029
You mean Rhae?

>>385630278
I named her Bae, I thought it was the most meme one.

>>385630398
It was, that's why it's the worst.
memelords get out

>>385626901

That's not the best choice.

>>385629535

Tamitha only resolves her issues with Pametha after crippling her.

is Jodi a futa?

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Sandra>Jodariel>Zhae>>>>>>>>>>>other girls

>>385631090
Bae>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other girls

>>385631090
>>385631181
why does no one seem to like Celeste? she was pretty hot too

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>>385631363
secondary character
>>385631181
begone

>>385631363
Secondary character and apex ice queen but I commend Tariq on his good tastes regardless. She's definitely the most physically attractive character in Pyre. And the scene where he says "Fuck the scribes, I want dat ass" is one of my favorites in the game.

>>385631729
BackThatAssUpAcousticLuteVersion.mp3

>>385629870
nice job anon, those guitars are great

>>385631729
>blaspheming at the gate
how lewd
wonder if tariq and sandra ever interacted, they'd get along splendidly

>>385627137
True Nightwings pls

>>385632024
IIRC the True Nightwings version is the OST version, but I'll check later.

Ok, have anyone had a playthrough where you sent everyone but nightwings out. What happens?

>>385631978

Sandra can only interact with one of the Nightwings due to star magic. That's why Bertrude backs off when she can't get her to come out. That's also why she has abandonment issues.

>>385632613

They join Barker's Space Jam league and dominate it because they're the fucking Nightwings.

>>385627137
Could you do the Accusers Version if you have the time?

>>385629870
Thanks senpai

>>385625090
if this game fun if i don't like basketball? is there a gog release?

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>Tfw I can't decide whether I like Pyre or Transistor more
>Transistor has that highly customizable meaty combat system and Turn() is awesome
>Pyre has more simple tools like throwing the ball but you can use them in more ways
>Transistor has the older Supergiant story structure which is top tier
>Although there's more reading Pyre's story/gameplay structure does a pretty amazing job of succesfully building up tension for the rites and having the story affect the gameplay (losing characters works great from a story and gameplay mechanic perspective and is arguably pretty top tier itself
>List goes on like this pretty much forever

>>385633378
I've never followed sports and I enjoy it thoroughly. No idea about GoG didn't think to check

>>385632024
Yeah, just checked, True Nightwings is the OST version.
>>385632890
Sure, I have a bit more time. Give me a few minutes.

>>385625090
Is that Conan O'Brien?

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>Logan Cunningham

>>385632797
The Barker's league is the single living proof that the Downside isn't nearly as bad place to live as the story makes it out to be. Residents of the Commonwealth must be more coddled than women in the first world.

I want to tame Pamithas ass.

>>385634240

I think being unable to grow decent food, most of the water being poison, dying on the trip down, and it being impossible to make a settlement unless you're a Wyrm or Bog Crone is pretty shit. It's not so bad if you're a Crone or Wyrm, though. If you're human, you're fucked.

>>385634240
Gotta remember Barkers league probably cant run for half the year what with the torrential downpour into snow 1 2 combo.

>>385634467
All that shit was implied but none of it ever happened. Not to you, not to other triumvirates, not to Falcon Ron nor anyone else.

>>385634665
Rons a native. He doesnt choke on the food everytime he tries to eat

>>385634665

Dying didn't happen to them because they're the ones who SURVIVED. Ignoring there are several characters in the epilogue who end up dying.

>>385634665
>none of it happened
>didn't get the scenes with Hedwyn trying to cook for everyone

>>385634665
Did you not get the sequence where from the end of one liberation rite to the end of the next it's lashing it down with rain?
That's like several days where it's raining heavily non-stop over the entire downside.

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Kind of bummed out that there is no true/secret ending as dataminers say.

>The eight gave up their freedom so you can yet have yours

I thought there would be an special ending in which you always let the opponents be liberated and your companions become the scribes or something.

meh...

>>385635676
>several days

Several months, you mean.

>>385625090
Sprites getting ripped yet?

>>385635815

The Scribes give zero fucks. The only way the rites are coming back are if you kill the greater titans again. Which shouldn't be hard given one was killed by a pile of shit.

>>385635880
Wasn't that at the point where the rites were happening one after the other?

>>385635815
supergiant loves their bittersweet ends anon

personally i think it's a lot more poignant if there's no real ideal ending, makes all the other choices feel more significant

>>385636067

I don't think so. It was like that when I got to the Alcove.

>>385631090
>fail a trial
>her smug fuckingface
>GLARIOUS!

>>385632890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f3IG2QjBqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMroMAkfbHo
Here you go. I'll be back later tonight or tomorrow for more requests.

>>385636375
Thanks anon

How viable is this game for competitive play?

>>385626031
The correct line would be "He stayed true till the end."

>>385626162
>>385626205

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>>385636337
we need a Sandra edit of this
>>385636483
local multiplayer only/10

>>385636483
like not at all

>>385634198
I couldn't believe it when the credits said he was the Voice. He sounds so different.

>>385636483
If it was online? There's potential

Potentials never gonna be realized with the local only it currently has

https://youtu.be/g6zqHKd265E

How to Chaos Dunk?

>>385636982
step 1: choose bertrude
there is no step 2

i have no idea what to do with my second playthrough
get oralech to give me his spot so hedwyn can keep his promise
stay in the downside with hedwyn so i can see his waifu return to him, but end up seperating him and jodi?
honestly i have no clue what the good ending is

>>385638396
Send all original 3 up, follow them at the end with Oralech not suiciding. Leave Bertrude, Gae and Ti'Zo in the downside.

>>385638569
>abandoning the cute vagabond waifu
>separating bertrude from the one she loves
>"tizo wants to see the commonwealth someday"
try again

>>385638396
Lose all the liberation rites but had your characters with full enlightment (Titan stars and full mentoring required)

>>385638881
>Bae wants to stay
>Bertrude was rejected and comes to terms with Volfred not loving her that way, also doesn't give a shit about going back
>Ti'Zo and Mae are best friends, he has no experience of the commonwealth and thus doesn't miss it

Who did you abandon then?

>>385639318
bertrude, volfred, pamitha, tizo, and me
i didn't intend for it, it was the best of a bad situation

>>385639227
honestly i think this is actually the best ending - all these people competing for freedom and not letting a single one out seems kinda harsh

>>385637572
pretty much this

bertrude ain't as great as jodi on defense but seeing that "Hex of Victory! +8" after dunking from midfield feels great

>>385639227
sir deluge probably has a bad end if you send him topside though

Legit question: In what way specifically did the Scribes give up their freedom, and why was it necessary?

They did the whole finding Soliam and assembling as the Scribes while blasting the Titans thing. They wrote the book, they crafted the raiments, interpreted the stars and found the Shimmer-Pool, basically setting up all the rites....

And then what? What prevented them from leaving? Were they prevented from leaving? If they weren't, why didn't they leave? And if they didn't leave, why? And was it necessary for them to not leave for all of this to work even though they basically encountered the entire thing with the stars already working?

I don't get how they gave up their freedom so others may yet have theirs.

>>385639990
[Spoiler]Didn't they become the stars that guide you in the rites?[/Spoiler]

>>385640154
Did they? But they themselves were already following all the celestial phenomena going on. Also how did they become stars then?

>>385639990
I think they became the original "readers"

>>385639990
my guess would be that they became the readers for the first triumvirates, so they were unable to leave

>>385640360
>>385640310
But triumvirates don't require Readers to function, and Readers have the ability to leave occasionally.

>>385639227
>letting Tamitha go free

>>385640501
They made/discovered the rites, the first triumverates would have needed them

>>385640236

Through the Titan Stars. Once the Titan Stars went out, they replaced them so people could find the Shimmer-Pool through the Rites.

>>385640690
That still doesn't work, because even if they each became Reader for their own Triumvirate, that would leave one of them (likely the Nightwings) readerless, as there's 9 of them. And the Nightwings were supposed to be better and "shown undue favor" at all times.

>>385640745
The Titan Stars appear over the Olden Stars, not the Scribes' stars. You literally still select the Scribes' stars to go to the rites.

>>385640501
You only got to read because the stars died and the shimmer pool lost it's ability to differentiate between who it sent home, triumvirates don't NEED readers in the same way people don't NEED to drink anything besides water, it's true but water doesn't have vitamin c or caffine.

>>385640823

The Titan Stars black out the sky. That's their thing.

>>385640857
Except the phenomena of Reader's being allowed to leave is written in the book, by the scribes, the Harp scribe specifically, on page 159, "On Legacy". It's not a Deus Ex Machina one time bullshit only in this cycle thing.

>>385635815
That would ruin the entire purpose you retard.

>>385640907
Except the scribes made them disappear so they weren't blacking out the sky. And then because the sky was totally not blacked out and clearer than when the titans lived the scribes had to become stars to guide people? Seems odd.

>>385640947

Readers can leave as the annointed as long as they participate in the Rites.

Do you think if I let Hedwyn stay with me until the last rite he'll teach me how to tame wild Harp pussy?

>>385641063
The page seems to differentiate between the regular Exiles that conduct the rites and one in the position of Reader, so it seems to refer specifically to a phenomenon that would let someone other than firsthand conductors leave.

>>385641037

The Titan Stars led them to the Shimmer-pool. With they vanished, there was nothing else leading anyone to the Simmer-pool.

>>385640947
"'Ere the ending of the age" the age is ending and the reader has the chance to go home
And who's to say that they weren't just saying that, how could they know?
>>385641090
Maybe but he'll probably be angsting over the fact that either he gets to go home or his friend does, but not both.

>>385641209

There's nothing stopping you from conducting the rites AND being a reader. You, the player, are simply JUST a reader because you're crippled.

>>385639990
Another thing that I haven't seen talked about, is that the nightwings are cheaters, they get to go to the finals everytime. As I understand that was not the case at first. They were supossed to be the final test for others.

That's why this >>385639227 should have been the true ending, you have to engineer that every team that comes to the finals had to have full enlighment and then you grant them liberation.

As a side note, in my playthrough I fought against the Tempers 4 times, the last time Ignarious was so depressed that they didn't even come and I won by default, and Fae said something of the sort that we fucked up the rites of the eight by winning so much.

>>385641284
Nope, he was with me for the final and the one anointed and he doesn't angst at all.

>>385641209
Maybe Volfred misinterpreted that part and the reader was able to go in any liberation rite if the annointed wished so. I mean the dog boy from the Fate got to go without being annointed cuz the old cur wanted it.

>>385641329
No, the Nightwings are ALWAYS in the liberation rite. They are "the adversary we all face" for everyone to test themselves against and "shown undue favor". this is all straight in the book.

You also lose or gain more favor for losing/winning against the Nightwings as a Triumvirate than any other.

>>385641329
>>385639227
How does full enlightenment influence the endings?

>>385641317
You don't have to pick the cripple option you know?

>>385641329

The Nightwings are supposed to be in every Liberation Rite. If they no-show, no one goes home.

>>385641359

You have to participate in the rites in order to leave. Of course, if you give up your freedom so someone else may leave then you're basically walking the path.

>>385641460
To wit: it doesn't.

Still looking for specifically the instance in which the Scribes "gave up their freedom so you may yet have yours" here. I see absolutely no instance of them giving up their freedom willingly in any fashion and for any reason or to any effect.

And even if it somehow is becoming stars in some undetailed way, that hardly seems like giving up their freedom. I'd say Sandra did a whole lot more of that, then.

>>385641556

The game still calls you crippled, injured, or unable to conduct the rites.

I still don't know why Sandra and Co' were suffering perhaps the biggest punishment since Titans.

>>385641359
>>385641209
I believe there was some text that said at the end of an Age, it'll let even the Readers through, as long as they're worthy. But also the power was waning and that they can only get one more person through.

>>385641723

'cause the Scribes are dicks.

>>385641460
In other threads, some anons said that the enlightment of the remainers change their endings.

I don't know, I had Bae, Sir Gilman and Pamitha full enlighted in the downside, and it wasn't that interesting...

>>385641723

They tried to murder their leader and they were all "nah, son, beta test our game".

>>385641723
Tried to kill the demon emperor who after surviving the downside and with his infinite wisdom gained from it imprisoned her for eternity. Ie. the scribes are dicks.

>>385641980
Man, those guys exiled themselves Downside just to kill him, have some honour.

>>385642092
>Man, those guys exiled themselves Downside just to kill him
Which is also what the Scribes did, except they were tricked into it by Khaylmer.

Which is another reason why they didn't give up their freedom willingly.

I really want to know how the fuck they died or disappeared, because this entire story is falling apart for me without knowing where the bullshit about giving up their freedom is coming from.

>>385642092

They probably didn't know there was no way back. It's just a fucked up river, after all. In the end, though, the Beyonders did what the Scribes came to do.

>>385642092
>Nah but forgiveness tho.

>>385642256
ETERNITY, MAYBE TWO

>>385642224
I'm pretty sure they knew at that point.

>>385642192
you could ask for a response on the steam forums, i think the writer posts there occasionally

maybe it's metaphorical - the scribes spent their lives in the downside to write out the book of rites, set up the stars, and enchant the fall of soliam?

>>385642525
>The Scribes, in their eternal wisdom, foresaw a man in desperate need of a waifu.
>Thus was Sandra the Unseeing sealed away in the gem to await her higher destiny.

>>385642583

How would they know anything related to exile when no one has been exiled yet?

>>385642781

They clearly have a metaphysical existence because they talk to Fae, regularly interfere in Rites because someone asks, and purposefully denied Oralech. Also, the Heralds doing Herald stuff.

>>385642525

I honestly think the rites are mostly autonomous. Only upon seeing that the Commonwealth was about to fall did they decide "meh, let's stop this rite shit for now" and actually do something.

>>385642781
What's confusing to me is who they addressed the book to, then.

It seems like there's a conflicting audience being addressed, with many parts being written as if addressed to the average exile conducting the rites, and then those late, special parts addressed to the actual Readers.

I guess they couldn't anticipate the literacy ban and assumed every participating would be able to read the book or something, but then the special Reader pages are weird.

>>385642973
Ascending to pseudo-godhood hardly sounds like "giving up your freedom" in the way they expect the exiles to, or in the way they made Sandra to teach Triumvirates, though.

>>385643106
The book's written in great old one blood, maybe it changes based on who's reading it.

>>385643254
no need to pull stuff out of your ass, anon
not everything in fantasy needs to be 100% explained in detail

>>385643350
Guess not.
I just like bringing attention to how fucking metal the process of creating the book of rites was.

>>385643181

And what does that have to do with what I said?

>>385643106

I assume because the book has to be TAUGHT. So there's some stuff for the Reader, some stuff for other people, general history, footnotes, etc.

>>385643643
So you wouldn't call a "metaphysical existence" that lets you talk to prophet-like figures, influence events on the physical plane and give you celestial heralds some sort of pseudo-godhood?

>>385643778
It didn't when they wrote it, though. There was no literacy ban at the time of its creation, and there's a copy for every member of a triumvirate to wield in the rites, plus spares.

>>385643874

Just because everyone can read the bible doesn't mean everyone can teach the bible, or some shit like that.

>>385644076
But Triumvirates function just fine without Readers.

>>385643874
Imagine how much better literate exiles were at the rites

>>385644149

Because of oral tradition that originate from the books.

>>385644378
Which doesn't retroactively make the role of readers necessary, since literally anyone recruited into a previously literate triumvirate to replace a liberated member would receive that tradition just fine.

>>385644318
I still just wanna know in what way the Scribes gave up their freedom. The book always just says they did, but never details the act in any way.

>>385644318

It was probably less of an issue when you didn't get thrown into the downside for sneezing on someone.

>>385644512

I didn't say the roles of readers were necessary, just that sections of the book are meant to teach different things to different people.

>>385644512
Don't forget that reading and understanding the book boosts the Nightwings' stats permanently so having a dedicated reader clearly does something.

>>385644753

And, you know, the fucking mind control.

>>385644753
Yeah, its helpful, but its not a necessity, as you can see via the other Triumvirates. It just makes the reader-specific sections of the book that somehow anticipated this emergent caste of Readers that at the same time were incapable of conducting the rites (since Volfred can read but conduct just fine for example) getting special cases when they didn't anticipate the literacy ban.

>>385644512
Welcome to Supergiant.
We never find out anything about pre calamity Caeldonia or Ura. The nature of The Bastion superweapon. Why Reds Boyfriend integrates into the Transistor instead of being absorbed. Or what the fuck the "country" was and how they seemingly end up there at the end of the game

>>385645082
We are taught about pre-calamity Caeldonia a lot through peoples talk and recollections though, and a tiny bit about the Ura. The Superweapon we see the results of and hear of the creation and sabotage of. The Man integrating (though imperfectly) probably has to do with him also being one of the special personalities and the moment and act by which he got hit (though thats admittedly more conjecture on my part than the hard stuff we get in Bastion). The country is their term for dying or "being disappeared" by the forces behind Cloudbank, and the Transistor can "create" it becuase they want it to.

But the whole final fate of the scribes and the claim about the freedom just seems like a giant hole instead of vagary.

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>>385641723
The Scribes are stupidly dickish about some things

>We shall be a nation of Mercy. Even for the -gravest- of sins
>All will be able to earn their Freedom.
>Oh but you guys that that tried to assassinate Soliam?
>Yea you're getting stuck in a crystal for eternity. Have fun.

On a side note, im a bit cheesed I lost out on an achievement by losing to the True Nightwings and then showing mercy to Oralech in the final rite. (Went 38-1 outside of that, including 12 titan stars).

Who did you all leave behind?
>Bertrude, lives their comfortably.
>Sandalwood, he had lived their long enough already and everyone else was older/more appealing to me
>Gilbert, sorry Gilbert, but I wanted Shae to be up there with Tizo.

The rest I saved.

>>385645082
>We never find out anything about pre calamity Caeldonia or Ura

We do, though.

>The nature of The Bastion superweapon.

We do not.

>Why Reds Boyfriend integrates into the Transistor instead of being absorbed.

Because Red took it out of his body before he was completely absorbed.

>Or what the fuck the "country" was and how they seemingly end up there at the end of the game

It's a metaphor for the afterlife. You know, like the place your dog went.

>>385645535

The Scribes made it up as they went along. They killed a Greater Titan with a literal huge pile of shit, for example.

I really wish you got the chance to interact and know the characters a little more under less urgent circumstances. The moonlight alcove seemed like the perfect opportunity considering you weren't moving all the time and waited for several days.

>>385645959

You waited for months, dude. Before the rites start getting all fucky, you wait until the end of the year to start again.

>>385646158
>>385645959
Yea it says "Many Moons pass", thats a lot of lunar cycles. You wait a long fucking time for the stars to re-appear. Game probably takes place over the course of 4+ years.

>>385646430

It says "many full moons pass"

>>385645403
>>385645576
We get the tiniest snippets of pre calamity life through Rucks. It pales in comparison to what The Book of Rites gives you in terms of specifics about The Scribes.
Nothing is confirmed about why the man intergrates with the Transistor and Royce specifically mentions it happens.
It's not just strictly the afterlife, because Red and The Transistor mention going to the country a shitload during the game, taking people there to save them, etc. And the recursion (NG+) is canon and suggest some kind of reset or time loop of sorts because Royce is heard in the Transistor.

Supergiant always leaves their worldbuilding at least partly open to interpretation and makes what happens to their characters very concrete.

>>385646664
Royce specifically mentions it shouldn't happen*

>>385646664
>It's not just strictly the afterlife, because Red and The Transistor mention going to the country a shitload during the game, taking people there to save them, etc.

Yeah, because the world is ending and becoming one with the process makes you NO LONGER EXIST. So the "being sent to the country" narrative that the terminals spout is codeword for "a lot of people are dying right fucking now because all of existence is being wiped out". Hell, the reporter making a last stand even says "see you all in the country" before she gets killed.

>>385646947
I highly doubt it. Red and the Transitor treat the country as a tangible place. And then you see it is one at the end of the game.

Theories have ranged through a lot of different things. I tend to lean towards Cloudbank being entirely virtual

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>>385647217
>And then you see it is one at the end of the game.

Yeah. When you're fucking dead.

>>385646947

The country is a strict euphemism for death which everyone in Cloudbank refuses to confront.

It's something very permanent in a world that lacks that trait. They defensively ignore it so they can pretend there's nothing wrong.

The furthest out "habitable" zone is the suburb, and doesn't even have working geography at this point.

>>385647376

I forgot to add; That doesn't mean there isn't a place outside Cloudbank; Just that no one knows, and they prefer to not think about it.

>>385647217
>cloudbank is entirely virtual
>theory

It's not a theory. It's objective fact. You even see the souls of the people you absorb as raw data in the Transistor.

>>385647360
Kicked out of virtual space*

>>385647507
Theres also a part of the theory that states that the man is the only real person and thats why he interacts with the transistor like he did.

>>385647668

That makes no sense when you're surrounded by the souls of the people you've absorbed, who are dead, anon.

>>385647785

Yeah, no, that part is just retarded. He's absorbed, just like everyone else.

>>385647953
He is integrated/merged.

What happened to him and what happens to the people you download is objectively not the same thing

>>385646158
Well shit, even more of a reason to do something with it. A relatively small amount of free time seems to be enough to pursue a vocation, yet we don't get the chance to do anything with several months' worth.

>>385647843
Royce says the absorbed souls are trapped and "on their own", then says you can hear the ones you knew if you listen close enough, which may or may not be the reason Red could hear the man's voice to begin with.

>>385648119
>He is integrated/merged.

No, the problem is his Trace ISN'T completely integrated.

>>385648501
'cause the Transistor was pulled out before it was finished.

>>385647843
They cant be clean cut dead. The events of the game lead them directly into "the country". Then recursion is canon, has them doing it all over again, but with at least part of Royce inside the Transistor too, speaking lines ocassionally. Suggesting that the events if the game, including them going to the country at the end. Have already happened at least once before.

Recursion being canon is why we know the country isnt just a cut and dry afterlife.

>>385648604
>recursion being canon

[citation needed]

>>385646664
Sorry but I never felt the way for anything in Bastion and Transistor that I feel about the complete lack of the description of this messianic, philosophy-founding act of the Scribes of giving their freedom so others may have theirs. It's a complete blank that is yet referenced as fact over and over and that way too much stuff is built upon, while we have a lot of info about literally everything they did up to that point.

>>385648443

You can see the souls when you fight Royce.

>>385648604
You realize hearing Royce in the transistor at the start of a NG doesn't make Recursion canon?

It can simply be a neat little detail they added (also adding to the detail of recursion and Programming overall in Transistor)

>>385648665
>introduces new (although limited) story content
>doubting its canon
Cmon man, just admit youre wrong. Its not a strict afterlife.

>>385648534

Which means he's no different than anyone else outside of time.

>>385648867
>says one line
>NEW STORY CONTENT

Are you kidding me, man.

>>385648867
You need to keep in mind that the place Red and the Man are is not the place people go when they die. It's inside the Transistor, which can make whatever you want. It's literally THEIR "country" they go to, their version of what they want to exist in, nothing to do with what happens to everyone not inside the Transistor.

>>385648805
Thats the most notable line but its said throughout. Royce notably also is the only one besides the man who is not fully integrated. His page says "downloaded" or something if the sort.

>>385648867

Grant says "we're not going to get away with this, are we, Red" at the beginning of a new game, and nothing else. That's all he says. It's about as canon as Rucks getting deja vu.

>>385649018
Royce talks throughout. Hes also the only one besides The Man to have special circumstances to his inclusion in the transistor. Being "recorded" instead.

>>385649142

All of the Camerata fall under "recorded".

>>385648534
Clearly something went wrong even before that. The camerata had done this many times before and they would've made preparations if they knew their targets would just teleport off to somewhere else in the city, even then it was them physically losing the Transistor what caused the process to fuck everything up.

>>385648796
They're there, and Royce implies they're conscious in some way, but isolated in some way, so it depends on whether one would consider that "dead" enough.

>>385649197
>its about as canon as this incredibly canon thing
Sure thing buddy. Rucks having deja vu in the game with a fucking confirmed timeloop is non canon, totally.

>>385649241
>Royce talks throughout.

No he doesn't.

>>385649309
Ok? People who were taken into the Transistor under special circumstance are still the only ones talking in NG+

>>385649416
Yes, he fucking does. It's not constantly but he replaces several lines.

>>385649372
>The camerata had done this many times before and they would've made preparations if they knew their targets would just teleport off to somewhere else in the city, even then it was them physically losing the Transistor what caused the process to fuck everything up.

Did you black out the part of the game where Sybil fucked everything up? Where she went off the rails and ruined the plan? Where Red was supposed to be alone? You know, the crux to why the world is ending?

I just check Recursion on the wiki.

Not only are the Royce lines there. But more of the city is covered by The Process in Recursion as well.

http://transistor.wikia.com/wiki/Recursion
>Royce's MOST NOTABLE line is when he speaks the opening line instead of the Transistor

>>385649496

Except, as stated, Royce is not special. All of the Camerata get recorded, not integrated. He's not "the only one outside of the man".

>>385649579

He replaces ONE LINE at the BEGINNING OF THE GAME. That's ALL he says.

>>385649870
He's the one one with a voice actor.

>He replaces ONE LINE at the BEGINNING OF THE GAME. That's ALL he says.
See>>385649814
You are objectively false. He replaces several lines.

>>385649968

Did you even read what you posted?

>("Hey Red... We're not getting away with this, are we?"), spoken by Royce Bracket, instead of the usual Transistor narrator.

This is the only line, you fucking idiot. Literally nothing else.

>>385648775
You're asking for information of an act that occurred 800 years ago in a low-tech unknown land containing a handful of literates (not only taught by the emeperor himself, but "ascending" with him leaving few if anyone to chronicle the events). Have you tried looking for accurate retellings of our own events 800 years ago. Plus there is no difference if you knew or not what became of them, the past or present lives of our individual charcters would probably not change in the slightest. Their survival and turmoils they face with each other and in their society is what the game is about.

>>385649968
>He's the one one with a voice actor.

Asher also speaks. Did you even play the game?

>>385650046
Even if he spoke one line it doesnt change the fact that Recursion is canon.

>>385650130
Its been awhile and Asher talks significantly less. I forgot.
Asher is also long dead when hes taken into the transistor. Royce is not.

The fact that all 4 of them didnt speak up doesnt suddenly mean recursion is not canon.

>>385650063
There's accurate retellings of literally everything they did before, and references to the fact the act took place. I don't see how your argument holds in that context instead of a real life historical one.

Also Soliam Murr didn't teach the Scribes how to read and write, not sure where you got that from. The only one who would have needed teaching was Ha'ub.

The difference this would make comes down to whether or not their entire shit is hollow or they actually did commit the act the entire tradition is based around.

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>>385650214
>I'm right.
>You're wrong.
>No, I'm right.
>No, you're objectively wrong.
>No, look at this wiki that proves me wrong.
>So you wrong.
>No, I'm still right for the reasons that make me wrong.

>>385633378
There's no GOG release yet. Bastion and Transistor got one, but the devs haven't announced anything yet AFAIK.

>>385649670
I'm aware, but we don't know for sure if she was aware someone else taking the hit would cause such a massive fuckup. Either she expected the man to be absorbed seamlessly or she knew they'd lose the Transistor and make the process go haywire and erase everything.

My point is, we don't know for sure why the transistor teleported away after hitting the man, which is why people theorize there was something wrong with his data that caused the fuckup, as opposed to said data being incomplete due to Red pulling the transistor out.

One of the reasons that Supergiant gave for no NG+ in Pyre was that they couldnt figure out a way to integrate it into the story like they did THE LAST TWO(2) TIMES

>>385650372

He's not long dead when he's taken into the Transistor. You're told that he killed himself moments before you were about to confront him. That's why they're called cowards. Dude, play the game before talking about it.

>>385650631
It doesn't integrate into the Evacuation ending in Bastion at all, though.

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>>385650528
>Royce speaks through the Transistor which would only be possible if they had already been through the end of the game
>YEAH BUT HE ONLY SPEAKS ONE TIME
>Actually I looked it up and not only does Royce speak, The Process actually gets more efficient at destroying Cloudbank in Recursion and the whiteness has spread farther throughout recursion
>Y-YOU'RE WRONG
Sure thing kid.

>>385650586

They were teleported across the city because the plot needed them to.

>>385650631
For a moment I thought that if you chose to liberate yourself you just end up back to the start. There even was a dialogue option of "it's like this all has happened before" or something when talking with Hedwyn.

>>385650819
NG+ begins from a restoration ending. It's integrated into the plot.

>>385650475
I imagine those are "accurate" retellings

>>385651045
I mean they say Jomuer killed the Hive Titan with a giant ball of dung, and there's the Hive Titans corpse with a giant ball of dung on its head. Iunno what you want.

>>385650898
Pretty much. I loved the game and don't mind some of the vagueness in the lore, but leaving a very convenient teleportation unexplained even by Royce feels like a big asspull.

>>385650639
We're splitting hairs when the fact that Royce speaks during Recursion hasn't changed. The fact that Grant, Sybil, or Asher never chime in doesn't change that fact.

royce talks because its an easter egg. why are you faggots arguin about this

>>385651648
Both of Supergiant's NG+ have story reasons for existing. The lack of story reason was one of their main motivators for doing the multiplayer instead in Pyre.

>>385651190

That's pretty much it. It had to happen, but they couldn't think of a reason for it so they just plopped you where they needed you to be and glossed over it during the Sybil montage.

>>385651190
>>385651802
I never considered teleportation by a tech loving aspie an asspull in a civilization that's capable of changing the cloud color on a whim tbqh senpaitachi.

>>385651786
>lack of story reason
>cycle of stars
>cycle as in it ends in the begining and begins in the end
They could have had the options at the end to keep the cycle of stars going resulting in ng+, toss in some the scribes or titan stars or the path bullshit to justify it.

>>385625090
I really regret sending Tizo and Bertrude back instead of ones who wanted it more.

>>385651906
I'm almost certain not even said tech-loving aspie knows why it happened. It's not that it's impossible, just that even in the game's context there's no explanation on why it happened to begin with.
It's why people assuming something was off about the man's data seems to be the most plausible theory.

>>385651906

Then you should read more, or pay attention to the story when Royce says he has no idea how or why that happened. It happened because the plot needed it to. That's literally it.

>>385652392
The game takes place in a goddamn cloud storage device, I don't think it's out of place that someone can teleport.

>>385652376

Even if that were the case, it would explain his teleportation. Red going along for the ride makes even less sense given she doesn't become the user of the Transistor until she grabs it. Royce really shouldn't have lent the Transistor to Grant.

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>>385652369
>Picked me, Fae, and Bertrude
>Fae had a feeling she wouldn't have been going home since early on and also got a boyfriend out of it
>Bertrude didn't care nearly as much about seeing the commonwealth again
>I got the wagon and ghostwaifu
Good choices all in all

>>385652737
Pamitha, Shae, and Volfred were left behind in my playthrough.
Volfred and Shae I don't care much about, but I feel a little guilty for taking Pamitha's spot. (Though she's the one who offered it, of course.)

So is this a faux DEEP LORE thing like Undertale and NITW were, or is this some actual writing and gameplay?

>>385653010
I regretted letting Pamitha out DESU. Lets just say her and her sister deserve each other.

>>385652737
I stayed behind with Volfred and Ti'Zo and Volfred had Ti'Zo make the wagon disappear for good. I have no idea where I lived.

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>>385633637
The answer is Bastion

>>385653174
Do you prefer to slam, or do you prefer to jam?

>>385653174
Pyre is pretty upfront and concrete with it's lore for the most part.
Transistor is the only Supergiant game buried in half vague unconfirmedness. And the main characters fates in every game are clearly spelled out.

>>385652638
>guy conveniently teleports from danger, along with the main character, out of the reach of the primary antagonists using an ability that is unheard of, that's not referenced to or explained before or after the fact, nor is it used again

That is, by definition, an asspull. It happened because the plot and it was subsequently swept under the rug. Much like every story under the sun, it's about the improbable, not the impossible. It is unexplained because there's no explanation. It happened because it needed to.

>>385652020
how do they deage the characters though? the bastion recreates the world, and transistor's reality exists inside another transistor, but the movement of the stars and the arrival of another age can't bring back the same characters

>>385653443
i'm a real sucker for the "laboriously detail fate of every significant character" approach to endings

picking sandra last was a great decision

>>385653330
>Action game with the worlds safest dodge and block
>Background and tiles can't really compare to Transistor or Pyre's world art
>That isometric platforming segment at the end of the game
I still love Bastion, don't get me wrong. But the fact that it's their earliest game shows through on a number of occasions

>>385653228

You didn't. You're a nomad.

I left Bertrude, Volfred, and Ti'zo.

Bertrude because she had great business opportunities and knowledge to acquire down there. She didn't really want to get back to the Commonwealth anyway.
Volfred because he achieved his purpose and, as it later turns out, his skills and aspirations found a demand on the Downside.
Ti'Zo because it's his home, he didn't really ever strive to see the Commonwealth that much either. Hey, and he got the wagon all for himself basically.

Sandra is my waifu though. She is great and I hoped till the very last moment that there would be found a way to bring her out of the crystal.

But I have t say, all in all, the game feels... empty. Not unfinished, no, just unfilled, unaccomplished. There is too little content, and what there is stretched in time too much. Both Bastion and Transistor are far superior, and Bastion remains the best of Supergiant's games.

>>385653707
Oh also the hitboxes for the edge of the stages can be fucking stupid on a number of occasions.

>>385653746
Y'all keep falling for the trap thinking Bertrude shit only prospers down there when she cleans house upstairs and still runs her Downside business from afar, I swear.

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>>385653912

Why are you in every thread. Just let people pick what they want.

>>385653707
>>385653804
Not in gameplay, no, although I would argue that Pyre's lack of content in that department may put Basion above it even still.
But in terms of the atmosphere and design as well as music, I'd day, Bastion is FAR superior to Pyre.

>>385653912
What.

Here to post another good track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1k5SCCN1sk
the variations are also good i like the faith version the most out of alll of the variations the accusers variations comes at a close second

>>385653984
It's the fact they treat it as an unquestionably obvious thing that this is clearly what you should do that bothers me.

>>385653746
Also forgot to mention: I left Volfred because I felt he and Betrude would like having each other around.

>>385653912
I agree she runs house on top in text. But at the end of the day I can still send 6 people who want to go back and clean up with a totally peaceful revolution.

I think it'd be interesting is if Bertrude and/or TiZo were so helpful up top (Little imp manages to clean up the commonwealth pretty nicely just by being cute) that you HAD to send one of them back to make the revolution totally peaceful

>>385654132

Not everyone got the same dialogue options as you. Not everyone perceives the character as you. Not everyone has the same ideas as you. You say it every time. We get it. Chill out.

>>385654227
Iunno about peaceful, but it honestly seems like Bertrudes influence and written propaganda should contribute a whole lot more than Pamitha should.

In terms of keeping it peaceful the most required one should be Hedwyn.

>>385654312
You get it, but I still gotta explain to people every thread that that "On Legacy" page exists and the Reader's chance at freedom isn't a last second asspull. Shit doesn't permeate as much as you think.

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Over on /co/ there was a spongebob meme so i requested the anaon to do one of the the three games

>>385654486
First two are good. Not really feeling Pyre.

>>385654486
I don't get it.

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>>385654013
>Pyre
>Lack of content
>Game starts really picking up around the hour mark that Transistor and Bastion are wrapping up
Nigga what?

Artstyle is mostly subjective. I'm just saying that Bastions backgrounds are very blurred and damn near impossible to see, and compared to what we've gotten in later games the environments of Bastion leave a lot to be desired, though the rising platform mechanic will never stop being neat. They've come along way and their artwork in Transistor and pyre show it off spectacularly. They couldn't have achieved the art in either of those games while making Bastion.

Bastion music is definitely still good. It all hits a specific aesthetic which really helps capture a certain feeling, but Pyre has a ridiculous amount of range that I just can't help but love
These 3 songs are from the same soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tJ06_qtmbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LMZYnOml54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C37PAE0CzTg

>>385654610
the anon hasn't played pyre yet when he did the third one.

>>385654765
>They couldn't have achieved the art in either of those games while making Bastion.
They couldn't have met their vision for either Pyre or Transistor with Bastions funds.*

>>385654486
I guess I get bastions
Don't get transistors other than it being metal and techyish
Pyre's I've just got no idea

>>385654641
Which one

>>385654885
>They couldn't have met their vision for either Pyre or Transistor with Bastions funds.*
They couldn't have met their vision for Pyre without further studying the arcane mechanisms that power Logan Cunningham's vocal chords.**

>>385654964
I fell like the bastion was becuase of the music the transistor one was becuase the spatula talked to spongebob in that epsiode from what I gathered from the pyre one was that alot of exiles are trying to be liberated thus the large crowd

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>>385654486

I think this is better.

>>385655286
Ahh, had never seen that episode. Makes sense

>>385655385
10/10

>>385655385
Even has a pyre in the background. Perfect.

>>385655385
This gotta be the one.

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>>385655385
Incredible

>>385625090
I want a character cutout like this but for Hedwyn.
No hand or anything, just Hedwyn smiling.

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>>385655385
Thank you based anon that makes more since

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Supergiant's art director drew and posted some TransitorxPyre shit

>>385654765
>Nigga what?
What I said. There is content, sure, but it's effectively all the same. You go from place to place, fighting your adversaries over and over again with slight variations. There are no meaningful side quests that contribute to characters' developments and stories; there are no almost no additional fighting modes like defense against howlers in the beginning; there is far less voice acting than in either of the first two games, and the addition of repetitive blabbering in a made-up language, however pleasant initially, doesn't make up for it; speaking in visual novel terms, there are barely even any event CGs.
It's all one and the same, and it quickly becomes a chore, runs into a stage where there is nothing new and surprising, staying there to the very end.

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>>385655950
Red one might have been posted ITT already. But this Camarata one definitely hasn't

>>385654984
Bastion and Pyre.

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>>385656050
And lastly, bonus Toobs by Supergiants artist

>>385656050
Sybil got tall.

>>385656050
>no Royce

>>385656152
Don't group based Royce in with those literal faggots.

>>385656152
Royce is their reader obviously.

>>385656140
It seems that SOMEBODY on the games staff that isn't the artist is telling her to chill the fuck out with the tumblr noses on their characters because good lord look at the honker on 2B

What're you guys' favorite characters to use in the Rites?

>The best
Hedwyn (Absolutely amazing passives)
Jodariel (Huge aura, great for defense with her dash)
Pamitha (Flight, high movement speed, can resist banishment via passives)
Bertrude (Best offense by far, jumps for days, very high damage)

>Okay
Shae (Decent overall, but lacks Hedwyn's great passives)
Ti'zo (Generally just a worse Pamitha, but still very solid)
Sir Gilman (Fast as fuck, but overall low damage and harder to attack with 'cause of Aura Slash)

>Trash
Volfred (Slow, can't jump, bad offense, area denial isn't very useful)
Rukey (Just a slower version of Sir Gilman with poor Masteries)

Also, anybody got a full cut-in of Hedwyn in his regular clothes? I want to cosplay as him.

>>385656230

Not like they need a reader. They're all pretty synched into being complete fuck ups.

>>385656509
Probably Gilman, Volfred and Hedwyn. Good offense, good defense, and good passives. Maybe swap out Hedwyn for Rukey if I'm going full rush strats.

>>385656509
Chae has the best movement in the game.
Ti'Zo is the best mobile defender in the game.
Hedwyn is the best Leader in the game.

>>385656509
You underestimate the ability to form combos with other characters. Jodariel and Volfred are nearly impassable on defense.

Rukey, Gilman and Ti'Zo on a team are impossible to defeat. Send Ti'Zo in to suicide with + respawn time trinkets, then use Rukey or Gilman to use Ti'Zo's portal and instantly dive into the pyre with no time for retaliation.

>>385656509
>>Trash
>Volfred
Get his talisman, upgrade it a bunch. Suddenly, he can teleport to the enemies' pyre in a couple jumps.

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>>385656509
>Trash
>Volfred
>area denial isn't very useful

>>385656509
I like just about everyone except for Rukey and Volfred personally.

>>385656956
He also thinks Pamitha avoids banishment via Mastery, when its her Talisman, and the other peoples Talismans are easily on the level, like Betrude's making her the best attacker.

>>385656958
He can do a lot of stuff denying people the ball but realistically even with the biggest possible aura he can muster over your Pyre half the classes in the game can just fly or jump over his ass for the Pyre

>>385656958
Literally what is throwing.

>>385657105
He area denials himself a spot to throw into the enemy pyre from and offensively pushes by placing his sapling and then blinking near its range which makes the auras touch and grow in size, gibbing enemies nearby.

>>385657105
>he can muster over your Pyre

That's your problem. That's not how you use him. Here's a foolproof strat I used for half the game:

>set up a sapling by the ball and shift Volfred into its range
>run Bertrude into that aura and blast away at the enemy team with power casts
>once one or two are banished, rush the ball with Gilman/Rukey and score

You don't use area denial to protect your pyre, you use it to turn 2/3 of the field into your safe area where you can look for/create openings.

>>385656062
I fell like the bastion was becuase of the music
another anon has already posted a replacement image that makes more since.

>>385657213
You can only pull off all of that reliably because using saps against the AI is pratically cheating. I can just attack into your aura

>>385657105
>half the classes in the game can just fly or jump over his ass for the Pyre

just dash up to them and knock them out of the air

>>385657396
See>>385657424

I could just start throwing aura shots in at your confined space and possible get several of your team all at once.

>>385657529
Saps cannot jump

>>385657629
His forceshield blocks fliers/jumpers anyways

>>385657424
And then Volfred does his shield.

>>385657424
>>385657532
Which is why Volfred has a shield, and a mastery which makes that shield apply to his entire team. Believe me, the AI DOES blast into your aura field, but doing so makes them open themselves up to getting scored on.

If your opponent is busy casting to open up the field, they not defending against Gilman/Rukey scoring.

The setting and gameplay of transistor, judging from trailers, didn't impress me. I liked Bastion and Pyre, should I give it a try?

>>385657778
Try it on Steam and refund if it's not your thing.

>>385657778
Transistor has the clunkiest gameplay of the three, but definitely the most interesting story. I'd say go for it, it's really cool stuff.

>The only shitstorm in a Pyre thread is not even about Pyre

>>385657660
Oh fuck I gotta try that next palythrough

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>Celeste represents the Sun
>Tariq represents the moon
>Bae is the moon-touched girl

mfw random pedophilia in the game.

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>>385658175
>Can't remember her name
>Tries to remember the name she got called by kids who didn't like her in school
>Rhymes with Gray
>Her dreamcatcher in the wagon has a description that opens up with "A bundle of sticks"

>>385653221
Suck a lemon, Pamitha is great, I let out them both.

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>>385657754
Damn, gonna have to try that

So is this game's gameplay like Transistor or what?

>>385658597
Not even remotely.
It feels more like Fifa Street than Transistor, somehow.

>>385658597
No, it is the space jam.

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>>385658597
No. The gameplay is a made-up sport that's similar to basketball. You control a team of three and try to put out the enemy's fire by scoring on them.

It's pretty fun, though the gameplay itself is only about a third of the game compared to the visual novel segments.

>>385658597

The game is basically space jam.

>>385658721
>>385658752
>>385658793
>>385658797
Thanks. Looks like I may avoid it them.

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>>385658793
Damn I gotta stop using stamina to get to the ball clearly.

>>385658916
Honestly I really dislike sports games, but I found Pyre really entertaining.
I'd recommend watching a bit of a playthrough before playing if you're unsure you'll enjoy it.

>>385658916
Play it, bitch. Even if you don't like the gameplay, it really doesn't take up that much of the game. The rest is just damn good character development and story.

Transistor's gameplay wasn't amazing either but the story and presentation definitely made up for it.

>>385658916
Pirate to see for free or a buy and refund to try it if you're a buyfag. I don't follow sports at all but I'm having a blast.

>>385658793
I will always absolutely love the animations for the pyre sacrifices.
So goddamn cool.

>>385659335
Hedwyn is so goddamn relaxed, I love it.

>>385659401

Fae's is the best.

>>385659335
Gilman looks ridiculous

>>385659191
There are something like 22-24(?) rites, if you exclude trials, side-plays and practice rounds with Sandra.

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There are literally people in this thread right now who think Volfred isn't top tier

>>385659497
Gilman is ridiculous
I love him tho

>>385659454
You mean Bae. But yes I agree

>>385660258
>he doesn't have Rhae's infinite stamina mastery
literally why

>>385660258
He probably is but I find him hard to control, by the time I manage to do something tactical my enemies are already at my pyre or sending aura at my face. High jumping with Xae and Gilman or flying with Tam' and Ti'Zo is so much easier.

>>385660325
>memers
Can we all just agree to call her Stowaway?

>>385660424
If you get good at stamina mastery like that anon that's one more mastery open to you

>>385660458
Oh shit, I just realized I've been meta-memed

>>385660458
>More letters
Nah
_ae or just call her your name for her.

>>385660458
>he doesn't want to hear the voice shout Baaaaeeee every time

>>385660613
GAY!

>>385625090
Do i count as one if i uninstalled the game after 30 minutes?

>>385660458
I prefer _ae or Rhae.

>>385660720
>Bae
>There's no way it could be this name... right?

>>385660258
>Shows clip of the AI being trash
>"Look at how good this character is!"

>>385660995
>it isn't even volfred doing anything
>he just blinks to one ai and banishes it then dies to an enemy imp's implode

Are there any webms of people who are good at the game doing some cool shit?

>>385661118
His implication is that they're focusing on him, and thus ignoring the one with the orb, which can be accomplished with any character.

Do you think they should have had given the true Nightwings some sort of unfair skill raise? Those meteorites barely bothered me.

>>385661208
Probably not, there aren't really a whole lot of ways to show how good you can be.
The highest tier trick I can think of is casting the orb at a foe to remove their aura, then banishing them, which isn't all that impressive in itself.
Maybe if we ever have Pyre tournaments, so we can see people fight each other and not just abuse the AI.

>>385660258
The enemy AI is very stupid in general but especially against Volfred. They run right into the sapling every time.

>>385661293
I figured since Pyre health could go up to 200 in versus they'd just do that for the final boss.

>>385661390
There are talents on demons and talismans to banish on throw, but I never managed to have enough time to throw the orb at opponent.

>>385661293
True Nightwings already have way harder AI than the other Triumvirates, I think.
Certainly felt much stronger to me.

>>385661293
The one where it auto banishes all 3 of your dudes was a surprise to me, but then immediately countered by instant mastery respawn.

Makes you wonder about the Scribes favor though, when Oralech can just have your team banished by meteors.

>>385661390

Isn't it local mp only

>>385661496
I know of those, but that's not skillful in the slightest, just another form of attack.

>>385661526

The Scribes help whoever ask. They give no fucks about their own rules.

>>385661293
Oralech having a higher speed than imps really fucked me up at first