Are these 2 still considered the best in the series?

>3
yes
>2
fuck no. It was always shit.

1 is miles superior. Heck, even 4 and PW are more fun.

>>385613127
>he didn't get it

>>385612861
Now that MGSV is out, yes definitely.

>>385613304
>le "MGS2 is 2deep!!" may may
You twelve year olds are just too cute at times.
No amount of pretentious "post modern art" trash justifies terrible gameplay and map-design, not to mention literal rehashing of a plot.

>>385613636
>tfw you were joking at first but he literally didn't get it
*smirks*

Solid Snake > Big Boss
David > John
HK Mk23 > Colt 1911

>>385613785
shit gamedesign "done on purpose" does not change the fact that it's still shit.

>>385614307
>there is objectively bad game designed
heh

>>385613636
Oh shut up you gormless little wanker. It hit a vast array of elements. lil' bitch boy didn't get it maymay

>>385612861
No, MGS is the best in the series, a complete masterpiece and one of the greatest games ever made. GZ is phenomenal. 2 and 3 and the portable games are pure cringe and contain pretty much everything wrong with modern gaming (MAINLY MGS3). MGS4 was fun.
TPP could have been the greatest game of all time of only 2/3 of the game weren't simply missing.

MGS2 is the best overall.

3 had the best bosses, setting, and music.

V is underrated.

>>385613636
gameplay is fucking great.
level design is pretty bad.
exploring bigshell without nodes sucks.
basically the part after tanker until before arsenal gear all sucks, with some okay bossfights.
>>385612861
the best what?
MGS3 is the best game in the series.
MGS2 however does something no other game has ever done.
both are justified and NEED to be played before you die in a car crash next year.

>>385613636
>terrible gameplay and map design

WAAAAAHHHHH WHY DO THE ENEMIES ACTUALLY TRY TO FIND ME
WAAAHHHHHHH WHY AREN'T THE ENEMIES COMPLETELY RETARDED
WAHHHHHHHH WHY ARE THE ENEMIES ACTUALLY DANGEROUS IN COMBAT
WAAAAAHHHHH WHY DO I ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE GOOD TO NOT GET CAUGHT INSTEAD OF JUST LAYING DOWN IN GRASS

>>385612861
MGS2 is my favorite, along with MG2 and GB. MGS3 has its merits, but I've always preferred the tight, fast pace of the earlier games.
>>385613636
>terrible gameplay and map-design
It has a couple weak parts (as does every game in the series) but it has consistently great level design.

>>385612861
>2
>not 1

>>385614880
Strut > bridge > strut > bridge is not great design. It's very sterile. Half the struts are boring too.

>>385612861
>gameplay
3>V>2>4>PW>1
>story
V>2>1>3>PW>4

>>385615734
At least the levels forced you to actually be decent at stealth and contend with some actual AI that has a chance of finding you.

Better than laying down in grass against enemies that are so completely fucktarded they make the first game's AI seem complex.

>>385615828
Only a few of the struts are like that. Weapons warehouse in particular was the only remotely challenging one.

>>385615734
>Strut > bridge > strut > bridge is not great design
Why not? The rooms themselves are all still varied, and the greater structure makes exploring/backtracking more dynamic than it would be otherwise.
>Half the struts are boring
Naw. I found them all pretty memorable.

>>385616025
Some challenge is better than none.

Also in the event that you do get caught, the enemies are actually a real threat in combat unlike 3 where you can go naked on Extreme with knife only and still take out entire bases.

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>>385612861
I picked up the Peace Walker/Snake Eater/Sons of Liberty collection on ps3 today. Never played any of them, release order or chronological order /v/?

>>385616248
you NEED to play MGS 1 to fully enjoy MGS 2
and you need to play MGS2 to fully enjoy MGS3
so release order.

>>385616318
what does MGS2 have to do with MGS3?

>>385612861
I really enjoyed the detail the Guards had in MGS2. From their commander calling out your location to what teams will be deployed doing what.

And then there was the CLEARING part of Evasion mode. At the time that was fucking cool as shit to see. It honestly got me into tactical shooters like the early Rainbow games and SWAT.

>>385616346
Raiden reference and dickgrab

>>385613127
>pw was more fun

Not a real MGS fan.

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>>385616318
Sorry I meant I haven't played just those three, Played MGS ages ago, and MGS4, GZ & PP.

>>385613636
Monsterhuntersolid is still nowhere near as good as MGS2. gtfo.

>>385612861
V is the undisputed king

>>385615784
>PW>1

Nah.

>>385616756
take the nostalgia goggles off.

>>385612861
I'd go with MGS3 and MGS1, but I wouldn't argue with throwing 2 in there.

1=3>2>4=V>PW

>>385612861
yes but 3 always win over 2 by slight margin

>>385617727
Tale the autism hat off, PW is for number crunching make pretend base building fucks who don't actually want to play a real MGS game. It's boring anon.

>>385618163
MGS1, 2 and 3 are so close it's to ugh to rank, and it may even depend on when the person ranking played them. But after those, there is a huge quality gap.

>>385616178
So you don't get caught. Besides, most of the tougher areas have tons of safe spots to take advantage of.

>>385613304
>It's OK if it plays like shit if it has a pretentious story

>>385618286
MGS1 has not aged well. PW holds up as a game you can go back to every once in a while and play a little more of. it's not a one sitting thing, for sure, but its up to you to space it out so you aren't sitting playing videogames for so long. plus some of the side ops were fun

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>>385614783
>3 had the best bosses
>The pain, fury and hunger were good

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>>385620076
>the hunger

alright guys, my wild ruse cruise theory i just came up with. chapter 3 is real and will eventually be released. the whole point about "race and revenge" will have been misleading this whole time. while we were focused on killing each other and having the most deadly weapon, forcing each other with the more dominant way of thinking on each other, we built something seriously insidious. the real threat was again the ai, we were again in a simulation, a dream we couldn't wake up from, but one we built around ourselves without even noticing it

im really high right now so this probably is just really dumb

>>385613127
Fucking this. MGS2 was always considered the worst. Only since underage redditors arrived they've been trying to revise history and change the narrative. Not gonna fucking happen.
Hell, I actually liked MGS2, but to act like it was always a popular opinion is just a goddamn lie.

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>>385620076
>The hunger
Am I being bamboozled?

>>385613127
You watch 4 more than you play it. More so than any other MGS game at that.

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>>385620076
>The hunger

>>385622624
It was an amazing game until Third Sun

>>385621862
>>385622719
>>385620361
the hunger, the ladder and the menu are the 3 hardest bosses in the game

>>385622921
>the menu
stop this meme, you barely had to change out of splitter

>>385622910
LMAO no it was not. Also movie would be the more appropriate term.

>>385614783
I felt that 4's bosses were more fun overall.

>>385623223
you are insane

>>385623049
Only if you want to do well.

>>385614783
I agree aside from 3 having the best setting and bosses. Foxhound and Shadow Moses are and always be my numero uno.

>>385612861
MGS1 is still the best in the series as far as I'm concerned.

>bosses are well developed and interesting. They're more than their gimmicks and stick with you long after
>Soundtrack is memorable and catchy, back when it was ok for a soundtrack to be like that instead of generic Hollywood shit
>Best looking Snake in best Sneaking suit
>Codec was hand drawn and is timeless
>Gray Fox

>>385621571

>People actually warm up to a game and understand its messages
>"HURF NOT GONNA HAPPEN"

I mean, it's only real competition is MGS1 and Peace Walker and they both suck compared to MGS2.

>>385623459
To this day I always think about Shadow Moses. It's really one of the best stories I've seen in a game and I wonder what the fuck happened to the writing in Twin Snakes to make it so fucking bad

MGS1's story is really one of my top 3 stories in video games, if not #1

>>385623223
Pretty much. Could have used more, though.
4 = 1 > 3 > 2 > PO > PW

>>385623596
TS didn't change the story, though? Just improved other stuff.

>>385623596
>what the fuck happened to the writing in Twin Snakes to make it so fucking bad

Funny enough it's the same situation that DmC found itself in. The developers were being faithful to the original but Kojima want them to go balls out.

>>385612861

2>3>1>4>5>PW

>>385623419
>only if you want to do well
i played it on euro extreme. you don't need to go into the menu that often. you will open it before boss battles, and in a few select areas, like when you need to put on the scientist costume or the maintenance outfit. and it wasn't that big a deal.

>>385623754
It didn't change the story but it changed the interactions, and the new writing is fucking obnoxious and terrible compared to the original's more down to earth style

Snake does a bunch of dumbass flips in almost every cutscene and his interactions with other characters make him look even less reasonable compared to the original game. The difference is night and day

Also getting to the point where Hayter's Snake was getting more cartoony

>>385624071
Pish tosh, it barely changes.
>Snake does a bunch of dumbass flips in almost every cutscene and his interactions with other characters make him look even less reasonable
There are like two out of place flips, and the game is actually capable of animations. Voice acting is better across the board, too.

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>>385624216
>Voice acting is better across the board, too.

>>385624397
Know how i know you're blinded by nostalgia?

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>>385624216
>Voice acting is better across the board, too.
Alright, you got me.

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>>385624216
Nah dude he's right they changed a bunch of lines and it's weaker than the original. For one example the conversation between Snake and Fox near the end:

MGS1
>Everytime I look into her eyes I see her parents faces staring back at me

TTS
>everytime I look into her eyes I tremble with fear

The only animations I think are better however is everything to do with Fox. That fight against REX really showcased both the suit and the man in a way the original just couldn't.

>>385624521
A shame, but very minor.

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>>385624470
>Game I didn't play until I was a teenager
>Nostalgia

>>385624653
It seems minor but the way a sentence is approached and worded can mean all the difference regarding personality and impact. LoK games are masters at this and Fox's lines were simplified for no good reason outside of making it more basic for kids to understand or some lame shit.

>>385620361
>>385621862
>>385622719
I meant the Fear, whatever. He is fucking boring. Just wear thermal goggles, and spam the stun gun when he gets low on stamina. I beat him in less than a minute.

>>385624798
>can't have nostalgia for teenage years
Found the underage poster.

>>385624847
>not feeding him rotten food that you've been planning to throw to him from the beginning of the game
do you not like fun?

>>385624798
Why would that matter?

>>385624801
Oh, i concur with you, but i just don't think that much has been lost. But i might be blinded by having experienced both (and MG1-2), so i already know what he's like.

>>385624847
Be creative, man. The game has plenty of ways to fuck with him during the fight.

MGS > MGS > MGS === MGS >>>>>> MGS

>>385624995
Anon I've played them all as well, including MGS1 at release and TTS at release and even as a teenager the way they re-worded some lines just felt wrong. Bias or not it's weaker writing simple as.

>>385624798
>I don't know what nostalgia is

>>385625185
Clearly you don't.

>>385625097
>MGS better than MGS

MGSfags are the worst.

>>385624798
You can feel nostalgic about shit that happened a month ago.

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>>385625097
>MGS > MGS

>>385625123
Aye, in some places. But it doesn't offset the advantages.

>>385612861
Mgs3 is probably one of the worst games ive made myself complete multiple times in an effort to see what the retarded kids are exactly trying to praise here

It has literally NOTHING that other or even its own franchise doesnt beat it out in. Its an embarrassment to the other stealth games of its time, its an embarrassment to the MGS games before it and its story is so retardedly melodramatic and bad that its always a surefire sign of telling who is an autistic manchild when they hail it as a selling point

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>>385616346
>what does MGS2 have to do with MGS3?

nothing. MGS3 takes place in the 1960s while MGS2 take place in the modern day.

There's also a few not so subtle stabs at Raiden after his poor reception by fans MGS2.

At least Raiden gets better

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>>385625365
Fuck it I'm done. You're talking bollocks mate.

Who is a better writer. Hideo or Kojima?

>>385625569
Sorry, didn't want to dislodge the rose coloured glasses.

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>>385623469
>MGS2 fan thinking there are messages in that game

>>385625656
Is Twin Snakes your first video game?

Even the worst of MGS writing isn't as bad as Twin Snakes

>>385625732
Nope. Started with MG2, then MGS > MGS 2 > MGS TTS

TTS still beats original.

>>385612861
>MGS3
Yes
>MGS2
No

MGS3 is the most fun out of the series. Good balance between story and gameplay.
MGS2 spraying bombs gameplay is not fun and has boring level design.

>>385613636
I liked the Big shell, you people complain about the dumbest shit, theres nothing wrong with it design-wise, you just dont like it

>>385625778
So Portal Ops is the best one.

1 > 2 > 3
and I love 3

>>385614652
>GZ is phenomenal
>2 and 3 contain pretty much everything wrong with modern gaming

>but the hour long $40 demo is fine

retard

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>>385626123
Post playable Para-Medic

>>385625981
>TTS still beats original

Remember this anons, if you're ever afraid of having shit taste in vidya at least you'll never be as bad as this worthless fuck.

>>385625458
I never got it either. Even superbunnyhop praises it as the greatest game ever.

>>385626341
Lol, the butthurt produced by nostalgiafags who know they're wrong could power a small city.
Surprised you haven't whined about the controls yet.

>>385626441
Remember. NEVER this shit.

>>385626441
>butthurt
18+

>>385624071
why do you retards assume snake wouldnt be doing backflips in MGS1 if they had better looking graphics? or the first person mode?

Do you guys think Kojima wouldnt have put this in originally if he had the chance? it would look stupid on the PS1

>>385613386
>tfw you realize jet fuel can't melt shagohod

>>385612861

MGS3 was the game that made me drop the franchise. I was never an enormous fan but I enjoyed MGS1 enough to get MGS2 and I enjoyed it well enough to get MGS3. I hated MGS3 enough that I never played another MGS game again. MGS1 and 2 had stories and a point and most of the gameplay was fairly succinct, MGS3 was 50% obnoxious random movie fanboyism and 50% an awful attempt at character driven drama. There may have been some novel moments but most of the gameplay is the same old crappy MGS gameplay except now there's a lot more of it because we have much larger and much more dull maps to trudge through.

>>385626682
>kojima
uhh anon Fukushima wrote the best parts of MGS 1 through 3 and the reason twin snakes and post ps2 games aren't near as good is because he wasn't there to slap Kojima when he did something retarded

>>385626682
When the fuck does Snake backflip in any other game? All acrobatics are realistic in the context of the series. It's because most of the action is mo-capped and allows for taking the story more seriously

Jumping off a missile is fucking stupid, and anybody who enjoys that kind of garbage unironically is just as stupid

Stop replying to the TS faggot already.

>>385626912
>the TS faggot
quick rundown?

>>385626878
>and anybody who enjoys that kind of garbage unironically is just as stupid

Hey now anon DMC3 is excellent because of shit like that.

>>385626562
>>385626591
Well that's sad. Realised you had no leg to stand on so you have to resort to whining?

>>385626878
>Jumping off a missile is fucking stupid
It is, but it's in context. Snake is a supersoldier.

>tfw playing MGS4 for the first time and the memes are right, it's a movie.
10 minutes into gameplay and chill and Kojima gives you a 30 minute cutscene and another on-rails shooting section.
It's comfy, I wish they made MGS6: Philantropy

>>385626682

We know he would have.

He hand picked the director of the cutscenes himself, a rather well known Japanese action film director, and he personally approved what he did. He knew exactly what he was asking for and was pleased with what he was given and tried to do it himself in the later MGS games.

>>385626949
Read the thread, kiddo.

>>385626878
>realistic in the context of the series
you mean the series where Raiden eventually literally runs across missiles to cut a metal gear ray in half?

lol weird

>>385625705
There is a message the message is, the media controls everything about how you see the world.

It's not particularly deep but it's definitely there, and if you missed it it must be the brain damage cause from the blunt force trauma of having it beaten in to you for half an hour before the last boss.

MGS2 > MGS1 > MGS3

MGS3 is the RE4 of metal gear, it retroactively ruined MGS for good.

>>385626970
Dante's a half-demon that runs off of badass. Snake's just a super soldier that's constantly been proven to be just a hyper competent human. There's a huge divide between the shit that you can swallow that TSfag doesn't seem to understand because he's mentally deficient

>>385627124
And Vamp runs up a pylon. And nanomagnets deflect bullets. And a psychic reads your memory card. And geckos. And bees.

>>385627123
nah :^)

>>385613127
Nigga, what the hell are you smoking, mgs2 is hella replayable

>>385613636
>terrible gameplay and map-design
Are you talking about 2 or 3?

>>385612861
they are both shitty anti-stealth games with a stupid cluttered story.

>>385627009
You dont understand how mad I am that MGS4 was so criticized for cutscenes that MGSV never got a cutscene longer than 5 minutes

SEETHING with fucking anger. I dont care about nanomachines, I dont care about Raiden's dumb kid. I want to see Big Boss and the Boys yell about revenge and fight each other for an hour with lens flares all over the place. 1 and 3 had it perfect, V was supposed to be the one :(

>>385627168
>and if you missed it it must be the brain damage cause from the blunt force trauma of having it beaten in to you for half an hour before the last boss.

I missed it because I refused to listen to an AI who said stupid shit like this just minutes earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8j9I90ueM

>>385627178
except re4 is a great game and better than mgs3

>>385627437
>MGSV never got a cutscene longer than 5 minutes
That jeep ride with Skullface felt much longer.

>>385627440
Did you miss the entire point of why that shit was happening or something?

>>385627563
Its not even a cutscene though, and anybody who watched the trailers already know every word hes going to say

>>385627571
>Did you miss the entire point of why that shit was happening or something?

I heard it from Ocelot. This was a (poor) simulation of the Shadow Moses incident so the Patriots could have someone with Snake's skills by exposing someone to the same shit Snake experienced.

aka the Solid Snake Simulation

>>385612861
Daily reminder

>I think Portal is really well written, very beautifully written, but Kojima's stuff is...Fine, be a game creator, and know what you're not very good at, and learn to work with people who are. Stanley Kubrick, famously, the one thing he could not do was write. He could do everything else, but he didn't know how to write, so he worked with good writers, and worked with them in a very sort of relentless partnership. He knew his limits. I don't think Kojima's a writer. The fact that he would even be considered one shows how low the standards are in the game industry. Nothing in MGS2 is above a fanfic level. He wouldn't last a morning in a network TV writers' room, and those aren't exactly turning out the Dark Tower series or The Wire."

>>385627640
>Its not even a cutscene though,
Depends on your definition.
>and anybody who watched the trailers already know every word hes going to say
We didn't know how long it'd go on after that with Skullface making hand gestures at Venom without saying anything. That was one of the more shocking reveals.

i dont know why mgs 4 gets so much shit, ok i understand that the cutscenes are very long, but thats it, with the overall gameplay i had a lot of fun

>>385627440
That isn't the same AI as the final conversation.
The crazy talk is GW dying.
The final conversation with a completely different and function AI.

>>385627437
Hell, even Ground Zeroes had a nice beefy intro and outro. Meanwhile most MGS5 cutscenes felt like there was someone breathing down someone's neck to cut it short.
But maybe it's for the best, seeing how shit tapes were compared to PW. 20 minute of WOLBACHIA would kill me. I just wish cutscenes didn't contain 90% of the game and a bunch of scenes from GZ.

>>385627896
>with the overall gameplay i had a lot of fun
yeah, all 40 minutes of it.

>>385627896
Ratio. It's great gameplay in each segment/Act. But each segment is maybe thirty minutes long.

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>>385624521
Apparently it was changed to be more consistent with Kojima's autism in the original Japanese.

The only reason MGS1 has such snappy dialogue is because of the translator. The translators for 2 and 3 managed to recapture some of that, but whoever Kojima got for 4 onward either went full retard or couldn't wrap their head around all of his idiosyncrasies.

Or maybe this Fukushima guy was the editor Kojima desperately needed, I don't know. Probably a combination of all these factors.

>>385627896
>i dont know why mgs 4 gets so much shit
because it "ruins" the mystery that MGS2 set-up and "ruins" Raiden.

>>385627916
>The final conversation with a completely different and function AI.
and yet they went with the same avatar at the crazy AI so I dismissed it as the same AI.

>>385627232
Literally 5 posts above the original post.

>>385627676
By referring it to the Solid Snake Simulation you obviously weren't paying attention to the ending, but considering you're saying you weren't to begin with I'd say I couldn't tell you why it works if you didn't care to begin with

>>385627732

It's hard to take the opinion of anyone who describe Portal as "very beautifully written" seriously.

>>385627995
>"ruins" Raiden
Jack and Rose ruin Raiden. 4 redeems him by making him interesting and useful.

>>385627992
the main problem with that picture is hideo kojima as a writing credit.

kojima poisoned the metal gear storyline and should have stayed out of the writers room.

>>385627992
Murata has to be one of the biggest buttsluts in video game writing

Also holy shit V did not need 4 writers

>>385627926
>20 minute of WOLBACHIA would kill me.
If MGSV had cut scenes, it would be one of the most unbearable games ever. Think about MGS4 movies where the characters sit around saying the same fucking thing over and over for 20 minutes, but instead of nanomachines it is about Vocal Cord parasites.

>>385627732
>I think portal is really well written
>implying Dark Tower and the Wire are some paragons of godly writing
Who the fuck wrote this piece of shit? I want to wring his little pencil neck

>>385628232
>>385628116
kojima drones, everybody.

>>385628025
I did not care because it was subpar sequel, shitty new protagonist, and the game went off the rails stupid at the end.

Plus why believe an AI that went bonkers? At the time we had no proof there was more than 1 AI outside of the word of the AI and I sure as hell wasn't going to trust it.

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>>385627676
>he believes S3 stands for Solid Snake Simulation and not Selecting Societal Sanity
laughingpatriots.jpg

>>385627732
she was just mad that kojima wasn't talking about japan, despite kojimas entire goal being a product that can be consumed by the west (he wanted "global games," which just translates to being able to be consumed by the us, because then the us will regurgitate it to the rest of the world). she thinks kojima is a little bit dumb and too west obsessed, despite entirely missing the point of his goals. or if she wasn't missing the point, she was just extremely pissed off that he wouldn't talk about japan more. she was also definitely filled with a little bit of resentment from her treatment during the translation, so that's to be expected.

>>385628232
it's from an interview with the translator of mgs2

>>385628232
>implying the Wire doesnt have 7 metaphors and euphamisms in every scene

You can literally watch every scene seperately by themselves and go "damn"

>>385628146
>RAIDEN. U ARE THE LIGHTENING
nah. People who have a problem with mgs2 raiden completely ignore the ending, in which raiden sheds his identity burden and becomes his own man. It was a perfect ending for raiden.

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>>385628354
>in which raiden sheds his identity burden and becomes his own man

and then reinforced in MGS4 that he is no longer a whiny Solid Snake wannabee

>>385628280
A lot of it is questioning your belief to begin with. You don't have to believe anything that went on cause it's just a video game and the story doesn't really matter in the long run. It asks you to question, but even if you do you can't be certain that it was your idea to begin with

I prefer the first game. Shit's straight forward and to the point, which is why I enjoy it more personally. But I can see the appeal of MGS2 and its memes. Kinda wished it was a little more streamlined since you can see the holes rather blatantly

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>you will never experience the OT for the first time

>>385628254

He's not wrong, Kojima is definitely a hack and a shit writer, but putting mediocrity like Portal on a pedestal does not help give weight to your opinion. Especially describing it as "beautiful". Entertaining or amusing maybe, but beautiful? Fuck off.

>>385628459
Yeah, I suppose it did. It didn't do it gracefully, though. Too heavy handed and ridiculous.

>>385628327
>she was just mad that kojima wasn't talking about japan
[citation needed]

>>385628734
Kind of a reoccurring problem with MGS4

Too many good ideas burnt out by a stupid as fuck execution

>>385626682
Snake DOES do a backflip in the original MGS1. Just once, though.

MGS2 fan theories are a fucking joke
shit game and intentionally so

>>385628467
>Kinda wished it was a little more streamlined since you can see the holes rather blatantly
MGS2 was the original V. It was rushed for Christmas '01 and then had to be butchered again after 9/11. They had a complete engine and game mechanics pretty early on, I'd imagine, which is why the Tanker is so detailed (and probably the single best segment of any MGS game) but then the Big Shell had to basically be slapped together in a rush to fit the story, as evidenced by Shell 2 being completely unexplorable and the higher ratio of codec calls to cutscenes in the latter half of the game.

It's honestly a miracle that 3 was able to be as broad as it was, but I guess since MGS2 sold so well it bought Kojima a bigger team and more leeway, and they were all more experienced with the PS2 hardware at that point.

>>385628860
>burnt out by a stupid as fuck execution

to be fair with MGS4 they also had to explain what the fuck happened at the end of 2

>>385628979
How do you "intentionally" make a bad game?

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>>385629017
>mfw "Akiba"
That's... that's embarassing. Kojima is beyond a hack. They had him on a good leash in MGS1-3, and then he's shown his true colors 4, PW and 5
>Pacifica Ocean
>Hot Coldman

>>385628836
read the interview that the person was quoting from. she mentions something along the lines of "kojima should stick to writing about what he knows and his own culture. japan has its own struggles and world identity it can talk about" and suggest writing about some japanese who have gone to fight in the middle east. it's not even reading between the lines so much as knowing what kojima has said his goals with the games are (i already mentioned that with the "global games"), and seeing how she reacts to the material she is translating. but again, this is in the same interview where she says she likes portal and the dark tower and says he can't write.

>>385629017
No they didn't. There was no fucking reason to touch that game because it misses the point of it. The open to interpretation shit is blown out and ruins a lot of the major themes of 2. The only good thing we got out of it were Cyborg Raiden to some extent and Rose's tits

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>>385629312
>The open to interpretation shit is blown out and ruins a lot of the major themes of 2.

Someone explain something for me.

Raiden kicked Vamp's ass in MGS2.
When Raiden returns as a superpowered cyborg in MGS4, they're evenly matched.
And then in the same game, Snake beats Vamp easily with CQC.

>>385612861
>3
No
>2
Yes

1 is better than both anyway.

>>385629531
nanomachines

>>385629435
Including 2 elements really ruined 4 more than it benefited it. It would've been better if 4 were the 1 sequel it was obviously trying to be with the elements of 3 that were included

And maybe if GZ/V's story was made before it so a lot of 4's retcons didn't seem as retarded

>>385629531
It's a video game

>>385613386
wow look at this shit... where is MGS3 remake?

>>385629740
Coming to a pachinko parlor near you

>>385629531

Kojima doesn't write characters, he writes plots and then just changes his characters to suit whatever the plot needs at the time. Just look at fucking Ocelot.

>>385629893
To be fair Ocelot never really had much of a character other than backstabbing cowboy

>>385629893
His personality in every game other than Phantom Pain was a ruse.

>Snake Eater fanboys not only prefer the inferior game but can't even grasp what would make someone prefer Sons of Liberty
>meanwhile people that prefer 2 perfectly understand why someone would prefer the playable bond movie but prefer the riskier work
Has there ever been a broader IQ gap between fans of a certain sequel?

>>385629154
you run around as a bitchy faggot in a shitter version of MGS1 because Kojima sensei is making fun of his fans
10/10 metacommentary masterpiece

>>385629531
shitty director

>>385630775
holy fucking shit you're pretentious

>>385631980
Pretentious means holding false pretenses, my post is what it is and pretty earnest too, learn the meaning of the words you use.

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>>385629531
new generation of nanomachines

> And then in the same game, Snake beats Vamp easily with CQC.

powerlevels in MGS have always been inconsistent

> Snake going toe-to-toe with Gray Fox who can lift a fucking Metal Gear

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>>385630775
half of the people prefering MGS2 don't even understand what it was trying to achieve and just go with the "muh postmodernist game" meme

>>385627732
>The Dark Tower as an example of good writing
Holy shit

>>385632439
>t. not a writer

>>385632318
Got any proof for your claims? Most people discussing Sons of Liberty on /v/ understand what it was getting at, aside from the ocassional brainlet saying that it was bad on purpose or that it made no sense.

>>385632470
>you have to be a writer to criticise books
>you have to be a game developer to crtiticise games
>you have to be a director to criticise movies
silly anon

>>385632470
>>385632689
Or the best one

>You have to be a chef to say the food is shit

>>385613127
But 2 has the best level design, use of mechanics in ludonarrative terms, enemy encounter design etc. etc., the only other MGS that even comes close in this aspect is MGS4.

>>385632470
Most writers are hacks and don't know shit about good prose, it takes a person with actual skills to take one of those shitty manuscripts and turn it into something that works as both fiction and a product.
t. Editor.

>>385632439
she was comparing a shitty writing to shittier writing :^)

>>385632814
>But 2 has the best level design

big shell was shit

>mr kojima is busy
>kojima refering to himself in the third person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sx7yttJm0I

>>385633015
Wrong, it is very well crafted for the stealth mechanics of the game, each room has multiple solutions and in combination with the smart AI makes for stimulating and interesting problem solving.

MGS3 on the other hand, has much too open and simple maps, most of which can be solved easily by simply running through and using your "I win" (CQC) button. Other than that, the extent of "stealth" gameplay most screens are built for involves laying down in the grass and waiting.

>>385633824
to be honest, I could not get the hand of CQC in MGS3.

Kept on killing people hen I meant to KO them

3>1>2>4>5

that is the universally accepted order. and it's final.

>>385634078
No. Stop forcing your opinion as consensus, no wonder you don't get MGS2.

>>385633824
> most of which can be solved easily by simply running through and using your "I win" (CQC) button

CQC isn't even that broken lol
everyone is acting like it's all that different, but you were already able to chokehold people in MGS2

>>385612861
>vision cones

>>385634318
>implying raiden is better than big boss or solid snake.

topkek

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>>385634403
>instant judo throw that comes out instantly and needs absolutely no execution at all, knocking people out in 1-2 throws guaranteed is equivalent to the chokehold in MGS2

>>385633824
>smart AI

It's just too bad that they're partially blind, mostly deaf and have ten-second memory spans. MGS3 was the game that introduced the concept of hearing footsteps regardless of the type of floor you're on, so that's a minor step up.

>>385615828

as someone playing MGS3 literally right now, just "laying down in grass" doesn't fucking get enemies off of you, mong, If anything, it fucks you over harder because they'll continue to shoot at you while you lay down and then get up.

>>385618340
This. I class 1 2 and 3 as equals. 4 is irredeemably garbage. PW is pretty shit. V is everything PW should have been and would have been close to the quality of the original trilogy had they not fucked up the story and content.

>>385612861
Ye.

But it is also acceptable to mention V.

>>385613127
3 is a crawling simulator with a good movie playing in the background.
2 is a sneaking game with an evocative analysis of videogames, technology and society on top of it.

Take that as you will.

I would say that doing a perfect stealth play through of MGS3 is a little harder than doing one for MGS2. As long as you know where the safe spots are, MGS2 is a pretty lenient game.

Perfect stealth is a bit more difficult in MGS4 since in a lot of areas, enemies respond infinitely so you can't just knock them out and move on. It's the only game that forces you to ACTUALLY stealth if you want to 100% it.

Peace Walker has no stealth. All the enemies are blind, deaf and retarded. Boss fights are either boring or shit. "Oh boy, I sure love waiting for this tank to spawn all its mooks in order to finally lure the captain out!"

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>>385620076

>the hunger

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>>385613127
>>385613636
>>385615557
>>385618061
>>385618163
>>385626016
>>385634078

>>385639371
You realize 2 is the type of game Reddit would praise, right?

>>385635506
chokehold
> restraint soldier from behind
> tap button until he's knocked out

CQC
> awkward as fuck control, as you need to quickly pull back the analog while you hit the button


yeeeeeeeeee

so much for difference

>>385638212
>I would say that doing a perfect stealth play through of MGS3 is a little harder than doing one for MGS2
Not true at all, you don't even have to sneak to get big boss rank in 3 because you can just run right through 99% of screens and judo throw the one guy that could be a problem before he can raise an alarm. The only difficult part in the whole game is the Ocelot unit fight.

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2 is my favorite but I still very much like 3 because I Iove every game in the series because I really love metal gear as a whole.

>>385639961
>I Iove every game in the series
If you actually liked Metal Gear you would not like 4.

>>385640096
4 is the second best game you pleb

>>385640096
>If you actually liked Metal Gear you would not like 4.

what does it feel to be so butthurt over a videogame that you have to force your worthless opinions over somebody else's taste.

>>385634009
Knock out and strangle are the same button. Spam it but not too much. Basically when they stop struggling they're knocked out, but you can keep pressing strangle to kill them. Just let go.

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>>385640227
>CODEC team for 3 is the Illuminati
>Big Boss was reconstructed from Liquid and Solidus using nano machines despite being burned alive in MG2
>Dr. Madnar is alive even though you blow him up on screen in MG2
>Patriots experiment on Raiden despite already having the technology to make cyborgs
>Johnny in general
>Two (2) chapters of actual gameplay
>Chapter 3

>Second best

>>385640493
the only one of these complaints i have a gripe with is
>codec team from 3 is the illuminati
in game 2 it says the patriots are a group of dead people called the philosophers. in game 3 you finish off by obtaining the funds from a group called the philosophers. it only stands to reason that they are the patriots, the fact that 4 confirmed it is no big deal at all.

>>385641060
The dead guys from 2 were the Wisemen's Committee, I don't recall if 3 revealed that they were part of the Philosophers though.

>>385613127

go die faggot 2 is the best sequel ever made next to majora's mask

>>385628146

>4

Fuck off with that meme game all it does is ruin psycho mantis, the entire cast of mgs3 and just dicksucks characters from the MSX games that nobody fucking played but pretended they cared about

>>385612861
Naw 4 is the best.

>>385625494

>better

>>385644548
that is better compared to what he was in 2.

Making him bad on purpose in 2 is not an excuse

Plus Cyborg Raiden is the official face of Raiden

Human Raiden Appearances:
MGS2
MGS3 in a joke video makes him the whipping boy

Cyborg Raiden appearances:
MGS4
MGR
Playable side story in Ground Zeroes
Playable Skin in MGS5
A fighter in Sony PlayStation All Star Battle Royale

>>385645960
MGR is shit

>>385640493
>Patriots experiment on Raiden despite already having the technology to make cyborgs


exo-skeleton =/= giving a full body to a brain

>>385641060
>in game 2 it says the patriots are a group of dead people called the philosophers.

except 4 confirmed that was a lie