Well, /v/?

Does /m/ even give a rat's ass about realism?

>>385606980
Boo you suck

>>385606980
Chickenwalkers aren't any more realistic than Gundams, they're just uglier
Hell Gundams are in space half of the time, where half of the problems mechs have don't even apply

>>385607050

Not really. /m/ doesn't really argue about whether or not mecha are feasible in real life either because most people know how flawed the idea is in the first place. I don't think anyone on /m/ genuinely believes a Gundam could work in real life.

>>385607316
>I don't think anyone on /m/ genuinely believes a Gundam could work in real life.

You would be surprise.

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>>385606980
Fuck you legfags, Hell's Horses unite!

Why does /m/ have its own board? What a silly thing to dedicate an entire board too. I know that mechfags are GENERALLY speaking on the lower functioning end of the autism spectrum, but still I wouldn't think there'd be enough demand for it to actually have its own board, when something like pro wrestling has to be squeezed into """alternative""" """""""sports"""""""

>>385607396
If /m/ was still allowed on /a/ it would take up half the board, and most of the discussion is related to older shows. It's basically the equivalent of /vr/.

>>385607396
/m/ also has Sentai and Toku threads.

>>385607436
make a /mech/ general and condense it all into one thread. then put the toy shit in /toy/ and the live action shows in either /jp/ or /tv/

>>385607543
>general

yeah no, fuck off

>>385607543
>make a /mech/ general and condense it all into one thread
Mecha, Sentai and Toku span almost 70 years of Japanese media history. What you're asking is to condense such broad varying topics into one thread, it would be a complete clusterfuck. Gundam TV series, Gundam Manga, Gundam movies, Gunpla, the latest Super Sentai, older Super Sentai, Power Rangers, the latest Kamen Rider, older Kamen Rider, Patlabor getting a new series, Mechwarrior, Battletech, Harmony Gold getting shit on, is Evangelion mecha? etc.

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>>385607371
>using contractions
Trothkin please

>>385607751
maybe find a less autistic thing to obsess over than giant robot animes

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>>385606980
it's not, because that dipshit doesn't understand how weight works. it's the same reason why an ant scaled up to a million times its size wouldn't be able to hold itself up.

>>385606980
western mechs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mecha japcrap

>>385607786

anon your ideas are dumb
dumber than giant robot animes

>>385607152
>Hell Gundams are in space half of the time, where half of the problems mechs have don't even apply

within the setting gundams are fairly sensible, but that's with minovsky particles being all magical

>>385607543

lolno

>mech slowly walks towards my position
>fire a HEAT rocket at the leg joint
>mech completely out of commission and the pilot(s) probably dead or injured from the fall
yes, very efficient, i can see why the military is rushing to make these

>>385606980
Why would you build a weapon that can rendered completely immobile with a strong push.

>>385606980
>Gundam is worlds more successful than mechwarrior will ever be

but hey

enjoy your realistic giant robots

>>385607543
why would you suggest this
are you worried that hiroshima nagasaki is running out of bandwidth
/m/ is a board of peace

>>385607751
>Patlabor getting a new series
hol up
Really?

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how much energy would you need to make a 100000 kg battlemech jumpjet-jump 90 meters? assuming a standard earth-at-sealevel atmosphere

>>385608441
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/06/14/kazunori-ito-confirms-he-is-attached-to-patlabor-ezy-project

>>385608171
>HEAT rocket does nothing because of the sheer scale of the mech
>HEAT rocket gets shot down before it hits
>implying it cares because it's a mech
>implying it won't shoot you first because it can

Gas the Clans, Civil war now!

>>385608320
>Gundam finally becomes popular in the West because of Iron Blooded Orphans which was okay at best
>This leads to us getting a Western release of the latest Gundam Versus, which has the worst nickel and dime DLC of the franchise

We got monkey pawed hard, but hey at least we're retaining the original licensed music in GV.

>>385608728
Oh, cool
Hopefully it's not shit

PPC >>> RAILS >>> AC20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LRM20

>>385609053

ppcs are for fags

>>385609080

one of the dumbest mecha designs in any setting

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>>385609080

>>385609153
Why? Because its the only one that actually works?

>>385609093
Whats the matter there buddy, can't handle the heat? Maybe you should stick to clantech pulse lasers and let the real mechs handle the lances.

>>385609053
RAILS>>UAC20>>>>>>>PEEPEESEE>>>>>>AC20>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LRM20
ftfy

>>385607802
Except that the ant would be a million times stronger due to increased muscle mass, dipshit.

>>385607368
I would be considering I browse it all the time and I've never seen someone claim it's "totally possible"
At most you have people wishing it was but >muh cube law

>>385608893
IBO was one of the worst shows ever, I thought it was just /a/ hating on popular shows but it was even worse than I expected, how it got popular baffles me.

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*lands on your planet*

>>385609531
>how it got popular baffles me.

the opening episodes were promising

the show sure didn't deliver though

>>385607751
You forgot mecha musume anon.
Also fafner getting new material soon.

>>385609338
not really
Its exoskeleton would probably crumble under its own weight at that point

>>385609531

I loved it and I've seen most of the series. Unfortunately it felt like the ending was still rushed.

>>385609531
I'd disagree with that, IBO was more entertaining than Wing. NOTHING comes close to how fucking garbage Gundam Wing was.

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>>385609153
Walkers are mechas now?

>>385609080
>Not posting superior AT-TE

>>385609947

Everybody has a series they love and despise. Some people are diehard UC fans, others can't go without SEED. I don't think anybody actually likes them all. I personally liked most of them but Wing and Seed, and IBO was great IMO. Then again my favorite is unironically Build Fighters.

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>>385609537
the buttplug has landed. prepare the lube and your mother

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>>385607152

>they're just uglier


Battletech mechs look amazing. I can remember the designs and silhouettes of probably half the mechs from mechcommander and mechwarrior 3 and associate the appearance with their names, but not one mecha design from anime has stuck with me.

>>385609208
>mechs
>working

>>385610131

i love chickenwalkers but those legs are god damn horrendous

What's the appeal of mechs anyway? They're impractical and in Japanese case, ridiculous.

>>385610187
>what's the appeal of giant fighty robots

>>385610187
Big one maned walking death machines which can level mountain tops if a finger slips

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>>385610187
Because I think they're cool.

>>385610186

I know. I wish I could find some art that does the design justice just from my cursory googling.

>>385606980
>Some of them even have skirts.
Examples?

>>385608893
I'm just glad I can finally play one.

>>385609174
I know who that is!

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>being tied to the ground

>>385610131
That's more a testament to your autism, friend.

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>>385610063
/m/ unanimously agrees Build Fighters S1 is one of the greatest Gundam series ever made, so you don't have to worry about that. But Wing definitely gets the most hate, and I think it's because it easily has one of the greatest roster of mobile suits ever created for the franchise, and then they were all wasted with a plot that makes you want to kill yourself because of how bad it is. The Tallgeese was quite frankly WASTED.

MechWarrior 5 soon
Oh god it's going to be so bad

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>>385610131
Gundam mecha look amazing. I can remember the designs and silhouettes of probably half the mecha from Wing and IBO and associate the appearance with their names, but not one mech design from tabletop games has stuck with me.

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>>385610187

>what's the appeal of mechs

They're big, they're futuristic, they're versatile, they're aesthetic and they're fun to control in the mechwarrior games.

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>>385610187
>What is the appeal of a giant machine man that causes millions of dollars worth of property damage by just walking?

>>385606980
mechwarrior is the best simulator.

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>>385610536

>>385607543
That's like saying pokemon should be condensed into one thread.
That's fucking retarded.

>>385610605

>mad dog

Is that the new name? It was called "vulture" in mechcommander

>>385610604
Beware, this post is bait.

>>385609947
At least Endless Duel was fun.

>>385610657

freebirth scum detected

>>385610187
>What's the appeal of knights anyway?
>What's the appeal of dragons anyway?
>What's the appeal of dinosaurs anyway?
>What's the appeal of boxers anyway?
The answer is always because it's cool.

>>385606980
Mechwarrior stuff is just as retarded as Gundam shit. AC 20 cannot even fucking work in reality, it'd shoot a pancake, not a projectile.

>>385610710
test tube autist sperglord.

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>>385610410
I don't think so. Most BattleTech designs are more distinct than your typical boxy Gundams and Gundam-lites you see in Japan.
I'd happily celebrate any mecha design that doesn't look like a bunch of painted cereal boxes.

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Bipedal armored vehicles and tanks or mechs or whatever are all impossible.
The main reason being unless you move at high enough speeds, the unbalance of walking one step at a time would tip the vehicle over.

The only solution to this is to give the mech a tail or some other form of counter-balance.
Metal Gear RAY has the right idea.

>>385610657
Mad Dog is the real name. Vulture is the name given by Inner Sphere shitters who thought it looked like a vulture when they saw one.

Mechs are fucking useless jesus christ.

Building this thing would be so incredible pointless

>Building this thing would costs millions of dollaroos
>Build a 100 dollar landmine
>Mech steps on landmine and falls over because he has 2 fucking legs

WOW incredible weapon you have here lol

>>385610814
>robot

>>385610814
>Eva
>robot

>>385610853
>>385610873
Aren't mechas not robots either though? Not that I'm an expert on mechas.

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>>385610814
Most BattleTech designs are warez Japanese designs they ripped off and got sued to hell for it.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

>there are feddies in this thread RIGHT NOW

>>385610921
EVAs are organic.

>>385610818

I thought it was called vulture because of how the clanners used it in battle.

tfw mechwarrior online is fun asf uck

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hmm...

>>385610961
That does make more sense, but Sarna says otherwise.

>>385610942

that mech does not have anywhere to store all its LRM ammunition

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>>385606980

>>385610970
It is pretty fun, but don't tell anyone I said that.

>>385610970

lolono

>>385609208
You're an idiot.

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>>385611067
Say that to my face and not online and see what happens.

>>385611067
There's lost of room behind the seat.

You'd say the same thing when you looked at a tank and though "where the fuck is all the ammo?"

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TANKS IN 30 MINUTES!!!

>>385610961
I thought the same thing about the crab.

>>385611172

actually i just look at the "modular storage" and assumed it was the XL engine (which is, for some reason, tiny, when it should be way bigger than a regular engine)

>>385610958
Maybe so. But you're calling him out for posting something that's not a mech, by greentexting about it not being a robot. The distinction is fairly pointless.
Like wyvern vs dragons arguments.

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>>385606980
Powered armors are cooler.

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>>385609338
you don't get it either. so allow me to explain why you're retarded, with some key definitions:

Surface Area - amount of 2D area a given object has
Volume - amount of 3D space an object takes
Weight - relation of an object's mass with the effect of gravity
Pressure - amount of force over a given area

imagine we have a cube of length 1 m with a density of 1 kg/m^3. it has a volume of 1 m^3 and a weight of 9.8 N. this object is applying 1 P of pressure. it also has a total surface area of 6 m^2. so now we increase the length/width/height by 1 meter.

this new cube has a volume of 8 m^3 and a weight of
78.4 N. this has a total surface area of 24 m^2. the resulting pressure is now 3.27 P. lets do this again, only by a factor of 100.

the new cube now has a volume of 1,000,000 m^3 and a weight of 9,800,000 N. a total surface area of 60,000 m^2. resulting pressure is now 163.3 P.

did you notice how much faster the weight was rising with each slight increase? this cube has a large surface area so the pressure remained pretty low. ants do not have large feet, so the resulting pressure is vastly increase due to it's small surface area. it's exoskeleton is not designed to take that much weight. it would crush itself when enlarged enough.

tl;dr, you're fucking stupid.

>>385610187
I just like mechs of any variation. I like a lot of their designs too and can't get it from other places. I understand where the discussion about practicality comes from, but I'm surprised people get hung up on it to the point it affects their enjoyment. It's fine if someone wants to avoid mechs because they prefer grounded realism, but it's hard to accept their preference that way when they are okay with magic, mythical creatures, and other fictional themes and doesn't question those practicalities. I've had conversations like that and they're generally not good. It usually goes down to "it's not them fighting" when referring to mechs.

>>385611172
>You'd say the same thing when you looked at a tank and though "where the fuck is all the ammo?"

if you look at a tank with an automatic loader you quickly notice that it's fucking big and the ammo is easy to locate on the schematic

only early WW2 tanks with peashooters and "please set fire to me"-tier ammo storage could stick shells all over the place

>>385611198
kek

>>385611282
>>385609338

oh and i forgot to mention the resulting forces due to wind on it's entire surface area. sounds trivial when small, but the larger you get the more force is felt. that's the primary reason why parachutes help you to stop dying or why high rise buildings need strong structural integrity.

Childhood is thinking mecha is dumb because it's unrealistic
Adulthood is realizing it's all unrealistic but at least Japan has fun with the concept

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>always Battletech vs. Gundam
>never any love for the Wanzers

>>385611561
zenith makes my dick rock hard.

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Could mechs and mechas realistically work on a low gravity planet?

>>385611608

function? i guess

be ideal? nope

>>385607050
No they actually find it absurd whenever someone brings up muh practicality.

>>385611282
>>385611325

Fucking autsim

>>385607543
That would be like having a video game general on /g/.

>>385611753
Leave and don't come back until you actually have something worth saying, you idiot.

>>385610775

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocannon

yep. totally fictional and doesn't exist or work irl.

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I'll not disparage the chickenwalker since that would be insulting it's new home /tg/ but its a good example of why I prefer Japanese mecha to Western

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>>385611753
>autism
>i was just pretending to be retarded h-ha ha

nice try.

>>385610997
>>385610961

sarna obviously didn't read the books, because i jusr reread the clan invasion books and hat is literally how the IS talks about naming the vulture.

>>385612080

look up the ac20 instead, genius

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Chromehounds tried to have somewhat realistic physics, plus complete customization options. Too bad it died right away

Girls und Panzer is better than Gundam.

>>385610187
>in Japanese case, ridiculous.
Almost all mecha are Japanese, retard.

>>385612205
>With hunched shoulders, a protruding head, and reverse-jointed legs, the Mad Dog resembles a vulture, so much so that it was codenamed Vulture and Hagetaka ("Vulture" in Japanese) by the Inner Sphere forces which first encountered it.

>The name also fit the battlefield role of the Mad Dog; the main role of the Mad Dog is to act as a support 'Mech, and it often holds a hill maintaining constant watch over the entire battlefield, like a vulture waiting for its prey.

Well I guess Sarna mentions both.

>>385612276
I will never be over this

>>385612225
>claim ac are shit and fake and gay

>ignore entire section of wiki / reality / history whatever you want to call it that shows how much of a retard you are

>nuh uh smart guy that are not relevant because I SAID SO!

fuck off you sperglord fuckwit.

autocannon are a fucking thing and are in use with militaries right now. so you're a dumb shit who needs to STFU and GTFO

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>>385606980
It wouldn't stand a chance against mass produced Big Zams.

>>385612516
Unless they were piloted by Danny

>>385608538
E = m*g*h
m = 100000kg, g = 9.81m/(s^2), h = 90
which gives 88290000 Joules of energy. Assuming the jumpjet burns with constant thrust for 3 seconds to accelerate it skywards we have
P(ower) = E/t, where t is the time in seconds giving us roughly 29 megawatts of power or roughly three times that of the first nuclear submarine's reactor output. This of course does not take into consideration air resistance and losses within the system.

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>>385610837
>LE NOT REALISTIC!!!

>>385612708
>roughly three times that of the first nuclear submarine's reactor output
Good thing they have big stonking fusion reactors

>>385612708

that's a lot of heat

>>385608039
>but that's with minovsky particles being all magical

Minovsky particles are for the most part realistic, they simply stretch the truth the same way Star Trek does.

The shit exists, but it's extremely rare, hard to create and has a half life of nothing.
It's the same as Star Trek's "FTL". Yes, the drive works in theory, but you need lots of antimatter, something we do not have.

>>385612851
I thought the Alcubierre drive needed strange matter with negative mass rather than antimatter (particles have same mass but opposite charge than their counterpart).

>>385612494

Dude just because we use autocannons and MechWarrior uses them doesn't mean we're talking about the same thing. Their autocannons have multiple projectiles in the barrel which doesn't really make sense from a usefulness standpoint. You need the round to go through the entire barrel to get velocity, otherwise the physics of each round coming out will be very different. However, metal storm weapons do the same thing irl so it's not unheard of.

>>385607396
/m/ is more of an containment board for Toku/Sentai shits than a place to discuss mecha.

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>>385611608
They are best suited for 0 gravity.

It comes at the cost, however. Spaceships as per Free Space, Star Wars, Star Trek, Freelancer and so on are all absolutely impractical.
Big vessels in space are practically all giant globes, human manned vessels are robots.
No cool aircraft-like ships, just robots.

>>385613153
Its more a containment board for Gundam since that's why it was created, Kamen Rider and Sentai weren't even an after thought.

>>385612851

I love the fact that Minovsky physics have their own legitimate mathematical equations.

>>385612963
Could be, its been a while since I've read about these.

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W-Would a ball mech work in real life /v/?

>>385613324
It used to be, but honestly most discussion on /m/ is about toku/sentaishits nowadays. Ask about mecha there and they'll say it's dead.

>>385612708
what if you paint it black?

>>385610837
You sound like the sort of person who spergs out in front of wrestling fans about it being staged.

>>385610837
>build armored vehicle that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars

>some sandnigger builds a $5 IED

>everyone inside dies when the vehicle rolls over the mine

WOW, it's almost like mines, by their very nature, are extremely cost effective!

>>385613453
Why lie when double checking that is literally a click away, the front page of /m/ right now is 4-5 Gundam related threads, 3 other mecha anime, and 2 KR/Sentai related threads.

>>385608171
>fire a HEAT rocket at the leg joint
That gets destroyed by a laser AMS fed to the reactor that essentially gives it infinite ammo. Meanwhile, since the mech has height advantage over you, your position has been known to the pilot all along, even before you fired the round, he just didn't give enough fucks about some infantry cuck, however, since you've exposed yourself as an actual threat, however minuscule, he fries your retarded ass with a medium laser from above at an angle that makes all low cover useless.

The end.

>>385610837

Gee it's not like Battlemechs have JUMPJETS/THRUST VECTORING or are able to cross other terrain like dense forests and lakes that ordinary tracked vehicles can't accomplish. It's also not like that the universe where these mechs exist don't also have minesweeping technology.

>>385609053
Toys for little girls.
LBX AC20 for MEN.

>this mech can exist in real life
hahahaha what a fucking dweeb

>>385610837
>tripfag
>shit opinions
It's not meant to be realistic, fag

Here's your (you)

>>385609208
>/m/fags agree that 2 legs is already a severe weakness
>This one has FOUR LEGS and moves slowly and turns slowly

>>385612494
>STFU
>GTFO
>that spacing

You know where you have to go.

Mechwarrior 2 or Mechwarrior 3? And why?

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>>385613360

of course

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>>385606980
Lets mow some people down!

>>385613598
Oh I miss the days when they were always mad about their Digimon general since they had mechs in it.

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>>385614149

A WEAPON TO SURPASS METAL GEAR

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>>385610187
They're cool, same reason people like Dragons, Knights, Space-ships and laser-beams.

I got back into MWO because they added new tech.

Pasting lights and mediums with 2 heavy gauss rifles is alright.

>>385614193
Same thing with Strike Witches, and Nanoha Strikers. Now you got things like Symphogear and nobody really cares since it just stays in that one general.

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Have we decided tripods are feasible designs again?

>>385606980
>this mech can be built in real life
...well? where the link of a dude who built this?

also you could totally build gundams, just in space, like they did in the show, because in gravity his point is valid.

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>>385606980
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY CAN BE REAL IF I WANT THEM TO BE, THEY ARE NOT ANIME GIRLS IN SKIRTS, THEY ARE SAMURAI YOU BAKA

>>385610131
Shit taste is nothing to brag about.

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>>385615256

they are not. 2 or 4 legs are both better.

>>385615461
Is it bad i saw a Shibe's face in those soldiers?

>>385610187
Almost all are derivative of Japanese design, particularly the ones FASA got sued over, lol.

>>385615503

you might need an internet break

>>385612785
Wasn't commenting on (non)-feasibility, merely making comparisons.

>>385610814
>Battletech didn't rip off Macross, Dougram, Votoms, ect
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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>>385606980
>MechWarrior is unavailable on steam or gog
>Heavy Gear is unavailable on steam or gog
>Mech games in general are unavailable on steam or gog

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>>385615461
How about 6 legs?

>>385615682

might as well use threads

>>385615682
>dies from bird flu, birds eating them, or otherwise birds, depending on version
they suck, no?

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>>385607152
>shitting on Mad Cat

>>385615813
You mean timber wolf

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>>385615780
2? 5? 8? Is this an adequate and practical number of legs?

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I always liked MubRub mechs. Cool and ridiculous but still kept grounded within their own universe with lots of little touches that actually made them relatable.

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Why legs though? it has high ground pressure and other disadvantages compared to wheels or threads.

>>385614149
The interesting thing with Metal Gears is that, more often than not, they are destroyed by a single soldier and are generally seen to be less than great in combat.

Even within the Metal Gear universe it's generally considered that they're little more than for intimidation.

>>385616172
What if you throw the track?
Checkmate atheists. Airless tires master race representing

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>>385616172
Better compatibility for all environments

>>385616415
Why do you need legs in space?

>>385607050
Easy way to annoy /m/ is to bring up TANKS VS MECHS shit. They have heard that million times already, and don't give a shit about discussing those aspects of realism in fiction.

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>>385616038
Ironically enough, her last name is Timbers.

>>385616316
>Metal Gears are destroyed by a MANPAD
I guess a MBT could be rendered inoperable if you shot it with 10 or so SLSAMs

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So is Hawken still shit? Any good mecha games in the last 10 years?

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>>385616468
To kick the federation in the balls obviously.

>>385616172
My guess is places like woods and forest, you know like places some tanks usually can't go through. Small streets or small long ally ways. Maybe shallow waters depending on how high the water is. Don't know just throwing ideas.

>>385615796
Pretty much. The funny thing is, as big as a threat as they were for Victorian England, they wouldn't stand a chance against modern weapons.
They heat rays, and chemical warfare, while incredibly devastating to infantry and the like, are mostly useless against drone and missile strikes.

Of course, the book at least implies that they are a civilisation on their last legs. They're fucked and trying their last ditch effort to survive.

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>>385611282
>>385611423
Thank you based science-anon

>>385616468
The idea behind AMBAC is to use limbs to quickly change the orientation of the unit, where spacecraft require more space to turn the nose to the target a Mobile Suit can shift its arms and legs to move in place. I'm guessing they're also convenient when going from zero-gravity to space docks and colony interiors which have gravity.

>>385616817
So anime physics?

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>>385616697
I think the military was just blustering when they put down the Tripods back in the '50s. Considering we wouldn't know what the fuck was going on initially in the event of an invasion, just like the characters in the book, there would be a good few hours or so for the Martians to get their shit together and prepare for an armed response.

If they could be angled quickly enough, each Tripod's Heat Ray could basically serve as a CIWS superior to anything currently available. Consider how fucked the Afghans or Iraqis are trying to use mortar attacks on embedded American bases - the Phalanx (R2-D2) systems just shred anything short of overwhelming barrages.

Mobile, energy-based CIWS systems combined with chemical weapon-loaded rockets and flexible combat tentacles, along with even a modicum of air support (flying machines were also mentioned in the book) would result in some pretty formidable shit even without "force fields" introduced in the movie versions.

Rockets, bombs, and mortars certainly wouldn't be getting through in most cases. Heavier cannons might have enough projectile mass to bust through the beams. Just pounding them with smoke and sand clouds of our own might also be enough to disperse the heat beams. Humans would definitely eventually win through strength of numbers, but it would be a close-fought thing.

>>385616909
See anything that would contradict real physics?

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>>385616909
Newton's Third Law is basically anime.

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>>385616331
>What if you throw the track?

then you just keep driving anon

Friendly reminder that thanks to the Souls games we will never have this again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEz9F5jvgso

>>385611282
>it's exoskeleton is not designed to take that much weight. it would crush itself when enlarged enough.
No shit, it's a small ass ant. If it would be bigger, the exoskeleton would naturally be built differently to account for its size.

>>385617585
Don't worry we'll get Armored Souls soon enough.

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Hello my fellow Westen Mech, how are you doing?

>>385616697
>They heat rays ... while incredibly devastating to infantry and the like
they straight up destroy battleships in the vinal soundtrack version so, no.

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>>385616989
>implying

>>385606980
But Gundam was literally built.

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>>385617782
Even in the novel, it's described as going through the hull of an ironclad "like a white hot iron rod through paper"

>>385616640

Mechs would be absolutely shit in urban environments, our roads/streets would simply collapse.

You know the videos of chinks falling into holes in the street?

It'd be exactly like that, but on a huge scale.

Tank tracks and wheels are objectively better in urban environments for anything really heavy because they spread the weight of the vehicle out over a greater area, a mech walking in the street would constantly be punching holes in and through it and routinely getting it's legs stuck.

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Can I have a tank VS mech thread?

>>385616909
Dude, look at the equipment we build in space.
It's not F-22 knockoffs, it's robotic arms, jet packs. Airplane design is retarded in space since they are built as they are built solely to combat the atmosphere and there's none in space.

>>385618051

the thought of a 100t+ bipedal mech jumping onto a parking garage roof is pretty hilarious

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>>385611561
>PILEDRIVERS
the opening movie for FM4 makes my dick diamonds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7oQJF__3c&list=PLC8722935DB5C8FD4

be glad you have the eternal suffering of gungriffon fans have
>studio decade in the grave
>guy who penned the series also dead
>new game never ever

Front Mission has the best mechs.
This is factual.

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>hating on mechs

look, if you didn't think pic related was the hypest shit then fuck off out the board.

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>>385618051
>Tank tracks and wheels are objectively better in urban environments
>>385618051

Tank tracks are absolutely horrible for urban environments. They are as retarded as large legs are in this regard.
They destroy the roads, they get fucked up by the road surface in return.
Depending on the materials, there have been numerous cases of them melting once the roads got too hot because of pressure and shit.

No, tanks are absolutely not fit for urban enviornments. That is without adding the fact rolling a tank into a city is by far the single most imbecile thing you could do today as infantry eats this shit for breakfast in close quarters.

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>>385618051
Depends entirely on how big your mechs are and what their foot print looks like. A mech can be any size or shape you want it to be. A roomba with a gun on it would be a mech.

If we're talking specifically about 8m tall piloted walker mechs that weight upwards of 20 tons sure. But that's very specific.

>>385617645
Again you do not understand the basic principles behind pressure. You're basically saying that it's exoskeleton would be able to deal with pressures greater than ocean floor submarines.

>>385616550
Titanfall 2

>>385609170
>forest battle
>tanks casually shooting at flying targets
>mechs not immediately dropping down to break line of sight and fight in the forest
F

what if you have a mech crew inside a tank huh

>>385619071

newtype tanks would drift to dodge incoming fire

>>385618921
Its Muv Luv, most of the pilots are women with big anime tiddies of course they're stupid.

>>385618207
2142 walkers are basically anti-infantry and light vehicle weapons because they're able to quickly advance and flank soldiers in urban environment. Even in the game they quickly lose to tanks 1v1 if they don't deploy their shields quickly.

>>385619195
What are some animus with tacticool uses of mechs then? I watched VOTOMS and dougram so far.

>>385609208
Because it is a slow ass sitting target. WW1 tanks would take this down in 2 minutes.

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>>385618570
>They destroy the roads, they get fucked up by the road surface in return.

Wouldn't it be more feasible to develop power armor or some kind of energy barrier emitting device that can't be penetrated by ordinary weapons and bullets? Give that to every cop and we won't have to hear about a cop gunning down a black guy out of self defense in the news again..

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>>385619280
Gundam Unicorn would be alright, or Thunderbolt. Unicorn made the elite aesthetic of the Federation tacticool shit like Jesta and Conroy's Jegan.

>>385619479

is the series worth watching if i've already seen the OVA?

>>385619631
No, RE 0096 is basically the OVA with increasingly longer recaps at the start of each episode. They touch up one or two scenes but its hardly noticeable.

>>385619725

oh. that's a shame.

>>385619307
>WW1 tanks would take this down in 2 minutes.
Anon, is made of super materials from a universe with literal magic.

>>385609208
>works
>can be defeated by tripping

>>385619347
Which part of it's a bad idea do you not understand?

Remember when they had to re-base the streets on which James Bond shot his tank chase?
Likewise, that tank of yours is a prop. The real deal would have to be sent back to base to unfuck the gears after that sort of usage.

Tanks are massive, expensive pieces of shit to keep around. They eat through fuel at an astonishing pace. For every shot they take, they throw their track several times and require replacements each time.
They are extremely delicate machinery used for a brutal smack in the face. They suck for extended campaigns, they suck in most terrains, they suck in most engagements.

That's what tanks are. Expensive sledgehammer made out of obsidian.
Require extra care and attention (to say nothing of money) to make anything and also require great strategic thought to send them out ONLY when the situation allows it.

>>385619476
The problem with guns is that they are too damn powerful. Stoping the bullet is the least of your worries, its the impact that most guns are designed for that gets you. Even with armor or ballistics, they can still tear your bones into pieces and those pieces become shards cutting your insides like a hot knife through butter turning your insides to mush.

It CAN be built, but no one will do it because you can do more tanks with this resources.

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inferior mechs step aside

>>385619476
Both of those require science and materials that doesn't exist yet. Prototype powered exoskeletons are a thing but they're just used for assistance with lifting heavy objects and they're nowhere near anything you would put on a soldier in the front line.
Maybe with super dense energy storage, very strong and lightweight motors and electronics, but then someone might just make a better gun and then that armour is useless.

>>385607152
You could probably build one of them right now, they're just impractical. Tanks shit all over mechs in every department that matters so why would you waste the money building them?

>>385620106
Yeah, and mechs would be even worse.

>>385620161
>It CAN be built, but no one will do it because you can do more tanks with this resources.

They're toys and we only ever intend to use them as such.
And bless fucking Japan for making the dream real and putting together the engineering and money to make it possible.

>But it doesn't kill stuff.
You are a civilian shithead. If giant robots could kill people, you'd never even be allowed near one.
This way, you probably will be able to fork out an affordable sum to ride one some day.

>>385606980
>this can be built

they can't even get manned walkers to balance. The best we have is something that has to be hooked up to the ceiling incase it tips over

>>385620353
I'm not talking about mechs at all, I'm just sick and tired of people who have no fucking idea just how terrible tanks really are.

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>>385606980
>this mech can be built
Can it? I've yet to see one, meanwhile Japan has already built numerous full sized mechs.

>>385620458
Tankfags literally BTFO

If you could get them to move like humans move instead of being clunky then yes, mechas would be better than tanks or any weapon really except maybe nukes.

>>385619725
the recaps are their to remind the viewers of the PLOT because alot happens during it

also all i really remember being thoroughly fleshed out was ensign rihdey's breakdown - it made better sense but i felt it was drawn out a bit too long with all the subsequent "visitations"

I love Battletech but the only thing that could actually work in real life is that four legged thing that looks like a tailess lizard or the elemental battlesuits.

>>385620106
>Tanks are shit
>Used in 2 world wars and were the deciding factor in many battles
Mate you're a retard. The record for most damage a tank sustained and was still functional was a Russian T90 hit by 9 rpg rounds.

>>385620582
>full sized mechs

Statues aren't mechs, anon

How come something like the terror drone from RA2 hasn't been made by burger military yet? While targeting, movement and power for the ting are obviously huge issues, making a reusable mine could have some benefits. It cowers itself in sand, jumps up to shred a poor fuck, resets then jumps up again to shred whatever dumb bastard goes to help the first poor bastard.

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>>385620876
>Statues

>>385620646
Humans are shit for warfare when you consider things like spiders. We lose a leg, wer're fucked, a spider can keep on trucking. A mech is hampered by its human design.

>>385621006

humans are literally the most successful platform for warfare on earth

>>385621136
Wait, weren't those ants?

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>>385621136
Are they?

>>385621495

ants are pretty successful, but if thinks go hot i'm betting on the side that isn't affected by DDT

>>385621636
>aussies
>human

>>385621006
Spiders are like ballons waiting to be popped. They are weak losers. The real kings are wasps. Imagine an army of giant wasps.

>>385621745
Giant insects can't fly!

>>385621136
We're the most successful because we're the smartest, why need to be big/fast/strong if you know what to mix together and blow up anything in your way.

>>385611561
I love wanzers but FM is dead with that newest one being a pile of horseshit.

>>385622031

FM has been bad for quite a while now

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>>385620106

The fuck are you going on about?

I don't care what state a tank leaves a road in, the point is that whilst a tank can functionally drive down literally any urban street, a fuck huge mech would literally collapse the underlying infrastructure, sewers, storm water and render itself fucking useless with every step.

The exact same thing happens with cranes when they begin to tip, suddenly the weight is no longer spread out and is instead focused entirely on a small area and voila, into the earth they go.

Mechs amplify the very problem that tracks mitigate.

>>385619280
Majestic Prince is seriously overrated and all the mechs are built with their specialized purpose in mind.

>>385621770
EDF EDF

>>385622365
*underrated

>>385610536
I love both Eastern and Western mechs, but I always thought having limbs that are just guns to be really silly.

>>385622465
It is.
As much as some retards love to shit on mech having hands instead of guns, there is no reason to have the gun mounted in an arm instead of directly in the chasis/torso.

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>>385622365
>MJP
>overrated
>>385622438
Oh!
Putting that aside, I can't wait for it to get a 2nd season or at least get included in a real SRW game.

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>>385612276
>>385612427
why must i keep being reminded

>>385622680
Yeah an S2 would be great. I think a lot of people get turned off since it looks so similar to Gundam SEED but it's really great. Honestly better than most Gundam AU series.

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>WAOW THESE MACHINES DESIGNED TO OPERATE IN SPACE AREN'T VERY GOOD ON LAND
>TANKS ARE TOTALLY BETTER THAN MECHS WHICH WERE DESIGNED TO OPERATE IN THEATRES THAT ARTILLERY AND AIR SUPPORT CAN'T FUNCTION IN ALONG WITH DOGSHIT VISIBILITY

how about you consume the media you're talking about or better yet shut the fuck up because you don't need to have an opinion on everything you retard

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only mecha i need is mechagodzilla

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>>385622625

>there is no reason to have the gun mounted in an arm instead of directly in the chasis/torso.

I can think of lots of reasons.

The most obvious being it could easily shoot around or over objects without exposing itself.

>>385621893
this

>>385606980
That mech would fall over and not be able to get back up.

>>385623206

It's ok to be wrong anon.

>>385623473

Thrusters.

>>385622267
>a fuck huge mech
Here's your problem right here. Of course something huge is going to be heavy but here's the thing, not all mechs are bulky or gundam/building size unless you are talking about giant robots because then most would agree. There's a shit ton of different size and shape of mechs from different forms of media that aren't fucking building size and can fit and move around urban areas, some would probably move much better than tanks could. Not all mechs look like gundams and shit.

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>>385623392
>The most obvious being it could easily shoot around or over objects without exposing itself.
You can do that without an arm.

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>>385623897

hell you can even make a tank that sticks up nothing but the gun

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>>385624179
Or if you really really really want an arm, you may as well put it in a small profile vehicle in the first place.

>>385619479
>Gundam Unicorn would be alright

Don't lie to anon like that, other than great OST Gundam Unicorn is trash with an idiot MC that tries to use power of friendship on war hardened veterans and most characters exist only to further the plot ahead or for the sake of exposition.

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>>385615348
>Frogposters in charge of trying to satirize

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>>385611274
same

>>385607436

Half of the threads on /a/ are waifu shit anyway.

>>385610620
pokemon should be condensed into one thread

>>385614618
RIP Kamina

>>385611270
>It's autism only when it's not my autism

>>385627145

rip dead virgin

cyborg ninjas > mechs

>>385628473

as proven in the semenal work Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance by the esteemed Kenji Saito-san

>>385609208
its large as fuck and extremely slow. thats an extremely shitty combination.

Tiny mechs might be useful for room clearing. The job of the first guy in is pretty much to take a bullet in the plate and try not to die, so sending in a steel monster with a machine gun would probably be a better idea. The legs would let it climb stairs and the mountain paths of Tzatzikistan.

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The real question is what does /v/ think of the shovel mech?

>>385615680
>Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire on PC never
>Dynasty Warriors Gundam 3 on PC never
>Gundam Breaker on PC never
Why even live?

>>385629180
Might as well use a robot for that kind of thing

>>385629180
Footsolders dying is cheaper, and the military is all about cost efficiency. Many times moreso in wartime.

>>385623828
Smaller mechs would be destroyed by, if not small arms, then at least man-portable shaped charges.

>>385629180

any serious room clearing is done with 155 mm HE

I came here for robots in skirts, and I haven't seen any yet

>>385616507
Strange how /v/ never grows tired of the same old same old every day

>>385630821
I like the way you think anon.

>>385607050
>/m/ is about mechas
Its about the drama in the series where mechas are there as fillers.

>>385630994
/m/ doesn't have much love for tanks, whereas /v/ is composed of both mech- and tanklovers.

>>385631452

/m/ stands for /m/anlove

>>385609170
>using tanks for Anti-air

anime is fucking stupid

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>>385631616
Softbore barrel tanks (like those soviet t80s) shoot missiles that can shut down low flying helicopters (or a mecha standing there and doing nothing)

>>385629654
I thought Clan weaponry was overpowered before this bullshit got added

>>385631616

tanks are capable of targeting flying targets (helicopters) within their elevation arc. don't need missiles either.

>>385631454
I wasn't specifically talking about mechs vs tanks
rather boring shit like console wars, ecelebs, str vs dex, vidya tropes etc.
you only need to lurk for a week at maximum to see how often (sometimes hourly) threads repeat themselves and take the same course every single time

makes me wonder who even makes these threads

>>385631763
About that, why not just put a missle launcher, like a FAGOT, KONKORD or a KORNET on top of it?

>>385632010
>makes me wonder who even makes these threads

redditors and canadians

>>385620778
>Used in 2 world wars and were the deciding factor in many battles

>Horse archers are absolutely unusable today.
Nuh-uh! They decided the fate of the world several hundred years ago!

Tanks today are expensive packs of crap. It's why the US military is getting rid of them. Clinging to them is as stupid as the idiots still clinging to battleships. "But muh Yowa!"

>>385632010
"Video games" and /v/ covers a very broad spectrum whereas "mecha" and /m/ is a very narrow spectrum with less room for discord.

Also what >>385632097 said.

>>385632087

sometimes they do

but MBT guns are pretty damn capable to begin with, and use more plentiful ammo

>>385632184
>Tanks today are expensive packs of crap
They might be, just like cavalry was in WWI. But nothing has replaced them and they fill a role that needs to be filled.

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>>385632087
>i say equip the thing with anti-tank missiles then it can blast those enemy tanks before they get a chance to fire...
>what do you think colonel?

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>>385632301
I'm just thinking that there must've gone some money and sacrifices into making the tanks capable of shooting the missiles that could've been avoided.

>>385607786
>I don't like thing so thing should not have a board
I don't think you quite get why boards are made m8.

>>385617735
>fires guns
>tips over

>>385632378
Just drive around in an M113 with a 40mm MGL on top of it.

>>385632184

tanks are cheap and great, actually

>>385632375
What are you trying to say?

>>385609170
>Not immediately flying down or up to avoid the shells
What the fuck. The point of mechas is their high mobility.

>>385632463

it's actually fairly painless. even the yanks managed it.

and storing missiles outside the hull armor has some real downsides.

>>385632375

And how about adding some portholes, so the guys inside can use their rifles and shoot out?

>>385632709
You don't have to store them outside, just make it like a Bradley.