Was it really that bad?

>>385599521
Yes.

>>385599521
yes

>>385599521
It was fun. It had some problems, but it was fun. /v/ just can't have fun, so all they have is the problems.

For a fallout or a rpg game it was terrible

>>385599521
It sacrificed far too much to achieve far too little and commits the cardinal sin of rpgs, not encouraging second playthroughs. Worth the price for the base game but only just.

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>>385599582
>fun

>>385599521
It was a solid 5/10. Average.

I pirated it and still didn't feel like it was worth playing.

>>385599743
Most of the things it sacrificed/fucked up are related to the writing/story as well so it could be salvaged by a decent sequel. Hopefully we'll get a New Vegas 2.0 at some point.

Survival mode is almost great but needs modifications. Get the survival options mod and -

Give yourself the save item and use it once per day.
Turn down the enemy damage to x1.5 instead of 2.0 to the player.
Just turn the fucking fast travel back on, it uses up your water and food meter when you do it anyways

Far Harbour DLC is good but try not to pay full price for it. Armorsmith mod lets you wear any clothing underneath any piece of armor. And I'm jealous of those of you that can RP as a female because the male main character VA sucks big dangly balls.

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I loved it :3

I didn't even finish it I was so bored. It's what F3 should've been at the least.

>>385599521
No, it was a great game. /v/'s problem has always been that they can never focus on what works with a game, but what doesn't, or what they wanted a game to have but didn't. Your average person plays Fallout 4 and loves it for all the things it does well, a /v/irgin plays it and shrieks about how skill checks are missing or a throwaway computer entry about Jet is incorrect.

>>385600441
>great

let's not go too far now

survival is the way it must be played

>>385600441
Dude stop. F4 undeniably had some great parts, Brotherhood entrance, Paladin Danse questline ending, haunted mine shaft dungeon but don't pretend the player didn't have to wade through utter shit to get there.

Like - Preston Garvey, shitty generic dialogue, nonsense quest pacing ("I gotta find my helpless baby son, right after I save the entire north side of the map from bandits!"). None of the first 10 hours of gameplay makes any sense. This is a sharp difference from New Vegas. Just because you know to rush through that crap as fast as possible doesn't make it any bettter for a new player expecting good things.

>>385599521
Absolutely
>mods available in previous titles touted as major features and unironically released as fucking DLC
>Severely lacking in RPG elements
>Insultingly bad story and writing
The same way I thought Fallout 3 was the best 3D RPG until I played New Vegas, Fallout 4 is a severe step back having played New Vegas.

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It's an okay game, but a terrible fallout.

It barely works. It's the buggiest game I've played since Alone in the Dark 2008.

Visually it's absolutely disgusting, and among the worst. Textures just clip over each other, they're low resolution and bland anyway. I saw someone play on PS4 and the water didn't even have a texture.

It feels like shit. It has the most basic "physics" out there. You just slide around the surface and regularly get stuck.

Guns and combat feel horrible. There's little else to do other than stand still and shoot. VATS can barely be used to kill one enemy and its more effecient to just spam shots at them. The lack of movement options gives little in the way of traversal. It feels like your character is a block.

The dialogue, acting and animations are sht too. Every time that stupid face zoom happens you know it's going to be a state.

This game is honestly a 0/10. Not only is no single element good, but each is awful and just becomes worse than the sum of its parts. It's one of those games where I can't believe anyone likes it.

Far worse story and RPG mechanics, Far better gunplay and graphics.

It's a decent open world FPS game, its a shit RPG.

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>>385599521
yes, it was a fucking disgusting disgrace. the lowest point in the franchise.

it abandoned EVERYTHING that the previous games built upon that made the franchise great.

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>>385600708
Kind of proved my point though, didn't you? Instead of focusing on what you liked, you're bogged down on the parts you hate. I mean, I didn't hate the Minutemen parts myself, I actually enjoyed turning every settlement into a thriving community that I built from the ground-up. And how can you hate a Fallout game that gives you a main objective then lets you do whatever the hell else you want to do? That's literally all of them.

>>385601441
>Kind of proved my point though, didn't you?
No because he mentioned the parts he liked. But you insist he should disregard all the parts he hated even though the bad clearly outweighs the good here.

>>385601439
I get removing gun skills, but I'd rather they modify them. The "skill" of the shooting lies entirely within the player, and it should remain that way if it's an RPG. The guns skills should influence reload speed, recoil management, maintenance, and possibly introduce a jamming mechanic or something similar.

FO4's shooting and combat is far better than FO3/NV, but they went too far and just removed skills entirely, which is a massive step back in terms of gameplay.

>>385600245
The biggest thing it fucked up was that there was no reason to explore anything. 3 and NV encouraged exploration because most places had a sort of "mini-story" going on inside; you'd go through the building/cave/settlement/etc and get either a glimpse into what life was like before the war, or after. 4 ditched that by doing exactly what Skyrim fucked up by making every single interior a linear pathway that led to a treasure chest, except the magically enchanted item you got in Fallout 4 made absolutely no fucking sense

>>385601778
What part of healing flamethrower don't you get? I'm sorry, are you a fucking doctor? No, THEN DON'T COMPLAIN. JUST BUY THE FUCKING GAME

>>385601593
but doing so you now have a generic jack of all trades character that can do everything.

where is the fun in trying to level up the character to just do mele combat? no perks, no incentive, no effort required at this point. Its now just a simple, "that has bigger numbers and bigger dakka" turns into a point and click.

now you cant have a str 10 int 1 build for bumbling retard who smashes shit but cant use a gun or pick a lock.

you are just left with a mary sue who can do no wrong.

I accepted it as it was, knowing that Bethesda is incapable of writing coherent main plots. With that in mind, I enjoyed the game plenty, and found it had surprisingly decent writing and characterization in certain cases. For the purposes of mindless shooting and exploration, I found it perfectly competent. With 48 hours of play and the main quest still unfinished, I would give the game a decent 7.6 out of 10 as a tentative rating.

Is the name an insult to the series? Of course, but we live in a world where name recognition is king; I've come to accept that mediocre and average quality products will be attached to master-class works, and I won't judge harshly based on that alone.

>>385601561
Yes. Playing a game for the parts you enjoy is what normal people do. Only autists like you sit there playing Street Fighter and going "augh, this shit sucks, doesn't even have XP and level-ups!"

>>385599521
It was the biggest disappointment since MGSV, and one of the biggest disappointments in gaming of all time, for me.

The game has a lot of improvements, but it also steps backwards in almost every way possible. It feels like depth, role-playing opportunities, diverse content, et cetera were ripped out in favor of better shooting mechanics and the obnoxious settlement system. It doesn't even feel like an RPG anymore.

The real frustrating thing is that it doesn't feel like they couldn't achieve what the game was meant to be due to budget or something, it's like they had this inane, asinine idea of what Fallout should be that was wholly disconnected from the rest of the games. Voiced main character? That's a ton of money, and it did nothing but make the game worse. Settlement system? So much effort, but it just feels like an obstruction. All the radiant quest shit is wasted effort, they're completely useless. So on and so forth. I really hope they reverse most of the major changes they made for future titles.

>>385601953
And mongoloids like you would sit there playing a butchered version of a Street Fighter game going, "I know there's no combos, two buttons, and one character, but there's a lot to like as well!"

>>385602024
I doubt it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Elder Scrolls VI suffers the same fate.

>>385599521
shit characters and story, as expected from Bethesda. its fine if you just wander around the area killing and looting stuff with the dog (the best companion)

6/10 at best.

it's a good game
bad fallout game tho

>>385602195
I don't really have much faith in Bethesda to produce a good game, but they will probably make a decent base product that can be rebuilt from the ground up by modders into something truly enjoyable. That's what F4 is currently in the process of, although it will take another year or two.

Also, we can already see how Oblivion and Skyrim dumbed down things from Morrowind, it's already happened.

>>385599521
I played the shit out of it modded. It was really fun. The vanilla game kind of sucks though.

>>385602395
ESVI will be worse. When Beth went from Oblivion to Fallout 3 they didn't dumb down FO3 any further; people said the latter was basically "Oblivion with guns." When they went from Skyrim to FO4, though, they gutted all remaining RPG elements. It wasn't just "Skyrim with guns," it was a shittier version of Skyrim with guns.

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>>385601953
>Only autists like you sit there playing Street Fighter and going "augh, this shit sucks, doesn't even have XP and level-ups!"

How many levels of autism are you on to think this was a good argument

Played 25 hours or so. Beat main story, ran around and looted some shit. The nuclear zone was pretty cool. Then I dared jumping next to car wreck, triggered the physics and got fucking instakilled by the wreck sperging out shooting me into space. I lost 1 hour of progress and just didn't care anymore. I pirated it so nothing of value was lost, probably was todds anger that made the car sperg. Sorry toddler :^)

>>385601953
Normal people are able to recognize when they dislike a game more than they like it, they don't force themselves to enjoy a game for the sake of it. Only autistic retards like you think it's normal to not think critically and treat games as infallible.

>>385599521
It was a bad fallout game. It was a great wasteland game. That nuclear storm desert was probably one of the coolest atmospheres I've ever seen in a videogame honestly.

>>385599521
It's an objectively bad game.

>>385599521

Judged as a Fallout game
Utter fucking shit.

Judged as a Sandbox Survival game. It's middle of the road.

I havent even completed the story yet. I'm at the crossroads for choosing factions.

Meanwhile i spent 80+ hours building my settlements. Then i found out you can just use the command console to put anything into the game without losing achievements. Ended up quitting after that.

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5/10 without mods, 7/10 with mods
>mfw playing with best gameplay overhaul + silent protagonist

>>385603329
which overhaul though

>>385603525
Horizon. It's pretty much perfect
Only thing I don't like about it is that in the base game you can run into stuff like a raider with a rocket launcher even at low level which is fun, but Horizon scales some stuff so for example raiders will start having combat shotguns and assault rifles only at around level 10, and leveling is also slower (although personally whenever I start a new char I just give myself enough xp to get to level 10 right away because I find it more fun)
Also I forgot to say, use Start Me Up with silent protag

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It is the laziest fucking game Bethesda has ever made. The robot building DLC was just a copy of Robco Certified mod for F3 and the "Brain Dead" Far Harbor quest was a literal fucking carbon copy of Autumn Leaves mod for New Vegas, just way lazier designed.

>>385601439
Wtf you're telling me FO4 had none of these? I find that hard to believe. Played it for a short spell when it first came out and there's energy weapons for sure.
The game is shit enough without having to bullshit anon

>>385604026
There is no energy weapons stat

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>LETS REMOVE ALL STATS
>AND DIALOGUE
>AND EVERY QUEST ENDS IN VIOLENCE OR MURDER LMAO
>LETS MAKE LATE GAME POWER ARMOR IRON MAN MECHS AND GIVE IT TO YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME
>AND SHIT ON THE PREVIOUS LORE
>AND A PANTS ON HEAD RETARDED PLOT

HATE FALLOUT 4

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>>385599521
The story was good up until the ending. Factions were all really bland except the Institute. The combat and exploration was easily the best part of the game.

>>385604549
>exploration
How so?
What's so good about clearing out monster dungeons all over the fucking map?

>>385601376
100% correct.

>>385599521
The Voiced Main Character really destoryed it for me

>>385604549
>The story was good up until the ending.
That's pretty generous. I thought it was fairly average and then absolutely shit the bed when you need dogmeat to sniff out Cornflakes.

It was pretty bland. Felt exactly like fallout 3 to me. Also I feel most of the new features didn't surprise me much because I'd seen it all before in mods. Even the radio offered very few unheard songs.

>>385605223
>hunting kellog with doggo
>some ghouls attack after i find one of the clues
>doggo just sits there growling after they are all dead wont track anymore
IT JUST WORKS

Is it just me or every single enemy that goes for melee like ghouls and molerats are gigantic cunts? It actually makes me mad when I get hit

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Why

it wasnt new vegas but it was still good.
or at least better than 3.

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>>385605568
it looks like a toy

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>>385599521
It left less of a bad taste in my mouth than Skyrim. I tried to mod Skyrim and the game is just so boring even with mods. I modded Fallout 4 into a STALKER Misery like experience and really enjoyed it. I think it's because Fallout 4 has some decent gameplay systems already in place while Skyrim has none. I especially enjoyed the survival saving in Fallout 4, makes the game have much more tension, it's something I wanted in Bethesda games for years.

>surviving new england winter in metal shacks
>random out of place super mutants for no reason instead of being original and creating new mutants
>deathclaws and scorpions in new england

>>385605568
Any mod that fix the barrel being so huge? I am ok with the design of the gun overall but the barrel is just too ridiculous

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>>385599743
>Worth the price for the base game
Nice try, Todd.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIoRF-eNr0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXFQZl0p_to

>>385600282
hello caitfag

>>385600441
>It was a great game because ad-hominem
Fantastic post.

>>385601227
>It's an okay game
No. Even if you take it as a shooter, the guns and terrible and the gameworld is shit.

>>385600282
daily reminder that cait is a literal whore and has aids and herpes enhanced by radioactivity

>>385601856
As a doctor and a fireman, I approve of this post.

The only thing good about this game is the shooting and the power armor.

>>385606547
The power armour gets boring really quickly after you realize its just a health booster and not much more.

>>385599521
No.
It's even worse.

>>385599521
The gameplay was good, but that's about the only good thing it has, since story was boring and RPG elements were lacking to say the least, and those two things are what makes fallout

>>385606634
It's fun when you get the jetpack

wish there was a mod that let's you self destruct it

I played it for a bit, my main memory is shooting bandits in brown clothing in a brown factory surrounded by brown terrain under a vaguely brown sky. And the shooting wasn't even decent. I also remember the UI being fucking pathetic.

Maybe there is a decent game under the layers of shit but I'm never going to bother finding out for myself.

>>385606634
It got boring to me when I realized that with +1strength and deep pocketed leathers I could carry more than with a tricked out suit of power armor.

>>385601953
>accuses people of focusing too much on the bad aspects of a game while ignoring its merits
>"likes" FO4 because he only cares about the parts he liked, completely ignoring the bad parts

Your hypocrisy is astounding.

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yes

>>385599521
Just like skyrim, after 300 hours it started to feel boring.

>>385607524
>after 3 hours
fixed

>>385606485
It's cool.
Sole Survivor is pure enough for both of them.