Why do people say Dark Souls 2 isn't canon?

>>385599237
It's the odd one out of the trilogy. DS1/3 look like they're from the same universe, DS2 doesn't.

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>>385599310
ds3 is fanservice and pandering, that's why it "looks like it's from the same universe".
both games are crap anyway, dark souls 1 should have been a standalone like demon's souls and bloodborne, if dark souls 2 were a different ip with an independant story, it would have been better.

>>385599310

Forgot Ornstein doesn't show up in 2

I'm not hearing anything about game play, only story/graphic. So basically cancerous opinions all around

>>385599310
But it takes place in Drangleic, and Drangleic is actually referenced in DS1.

It's just that for the most part the bosses have nothing to do with the flame, or barely reference Gwyn and his children.

>>385599237
Because people are idiots. I don't like ds2, but to deny it's canon is delusional fanboyism.

>>385599542
>Gameplay
Worst gameplay of the series. Enemies track, they're unfair and almost every encounter is designed to be cheaply difficult, not challenging.
>Story
The giants don't fit in with Dark Souls.
>Graphics
DS2 is the ugliest of the trilogy

>>385599310
Because Drangleic takes place in a different continent?
>>385599443
>ds3 is fanservice and pandering
Of course it'll do fanservice, it's the last game in the trilogy and has to tie the lore and everything together. But don't act like the game doesn't add plenty of new things on his own.
>both games are crap anyway, dark souls 1 should have been a standalone like demon's souls and bloodborne
It really should have not. When you look at each aspect of the game individually, DaS is 99% of the time weaker than DaS3 and often even weaker than DaS2. You may hate them and DaS can have a sentimental value for you, but objectively speaking, the games got better over time. If there's a DeS2 it'll be better than DeS, same goes for a BB2. But we all know /v/ is gonna act like it's the worst game ever made.

>>385599237
Ringed City dlc literally has DS2 in it, the Firekeeper from DS2 is in it, Ladder guy is in it in Yhorm's area, people are just idiots

>>385599679
>>385599751
And it wasn't a good change. Even though it's set in a different continent, it doesn't fit with Dark Souls. It's not DARK and the fact that it has a lower age rating holds back anything like that.

>>385599734
>Worst gameplay of the series. Enemies track, they're unfair and almost every encounter is designed to be cheaply difficult, not challenging.
stop relying on lockon and learn to fight a squad

>>385599751
>and had to tie the lore and everything together
and yet it never did...


also, yes, I won't deny the mechanical improvements to 2 and 3, but they also made some dumb choices in each, I loved them both and played them a lot, but you can't deny they both made shitty choices.

>>385599443
>ds3 is fanservice and pandering
Which was a better choice for the series. DS3 felt connected and they brilliantly closed the game off with the Soul of Cinder. DS2 feels like a completely different IP artstyle, story etc wise.

>>385599237
Uncanny Valley is in the converged part of Dreg Heap

>>385599734
You just proved you're casul.
Can't disagree about the ugly tho.

>>385599802
>stop relying on lockon and learn to fight a squad
Lock-on exists for a reason, anon. And it's not just the gank squads, too many enemies track you to the last minute. It's cheap and even though people will hate me for quoting MatthewMatosis, "If you can't make it good, make it a difficult".

That sums up DS2 in a nutshell.

>>385599854
>DS2 feels like a completely different IP artstyle, story etc wise.
that's why I said they should have made them different IPs, also, stop defending 3, they went all out with the fanservice, it's not bad in moderation but what they did was bad.

>>385599679
>and Drangleic is actually referenced in DS1.

No.

>>385599751
>DaS weaker than DaS3
>weaker than DaS2
either this is bait or you are wrong

>>385599907
>You just proved you're casul.
I almost have every trophy in the game, anon. I know how to play the game.

>>385599928
>they went all out with the fanservice
Which was a good thing. They wrapped the series up very well and it made sense to fight the SOC, go back to Anor Londo etc.

>>385599993
> they wrapped the series up very well
your only argument here is SoC, they didn't wrap shit otherwise.
even with the last DLC, there's a lot of stuff unexplained.
and anor Londo was random pandering, stop defending your shit game.

BB > DS1 > DS3 >>>>> DS2

(I haven't played DeS yet)

so is dark souls 2 the hardest of the trilogy? I've only played ds1 and it seemed like they fucked up hard, every boss after Ornstein/Smough can be done without dying once so long as you're wearing Havels armor or Smough armor which you get easily or free.

>>385600252
>so is dark souls 2 the hardest of the trilogy?
Not for the right reasons at least. DS2 isn't designed well. It's made to be difficult in a cheap way by throwing dozens of enemies at you at once (even during boss fights) and the enemies don't fight "fair".

>>385599923
Yeah but many of us come to dark souls just for difficulty. It feels like cancer if others are trying to steer it away to some easier shit so long as that makes it " good " in their mind.

So I guess ds2 is the hardest one and I look forward to playing it.

>>385599993
How did they wrap up the serpents? What about the angels? What about the abyss? What did they even wrap up anon?

>>385600374
>Yeah but many of us come to dark souls just for difficulty.
I do too, but I don't want difficulty for the sake of difficulty. I want a challenging, fun and FAIR fight. DS2 couldn't do that, so they just made the game cheaply hard to compensate.

>>385600370
>I can't approach this fight like I did the other dozen fights
>that's not fair!
Casuals.

>>385600434
>How did they wrap up the serpents?
Why does FS hate the Serpents?

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>its another "DaS2 shitters pretend their garbage game is good" episode

>>385599798
>It's not DARK
Anon, have you played the game? Dark is the main theme of the game. Every NPC is talking about dark, many NPC are corrupted by dark (Artorias), hexes are a huge thing and are dark related, the main antagonist is a shard of Manus, the very definition of Dark.
> it has a lower age rating
How does that change anything, DaS isn't more mature.
>>385599852
>and yet it never did...
I think it did and was pretty satisfied with it. It explained things I've been wondering since DaS. What didn't you get?
>but you can't deny they both made shitty choices.
Well of course, but all soulsborne games since DeS made shitty choices. They all bring something to the table, and all have strenght and weaknesses. That's why all of them are fantastic and I play them all, but I have to admit that objectively speaking, DaS is the weakest. The ONLY thing it does better is the world design, and that's only until the second bell, so 1/3 of the game.

>>385600370
Well I'd rather go up against difficult madness than have the game flatline into easy mode like ds1 did after you pick up heavy armors.

I mean 4 kings only hit you for like 8% of your hp when you're wearing havels armor.


The best time I had with this game was at the very start when I decided to fight the Asylum demon the first encounter without getting my items. Took like 4 hours until I finally did it and I was extremely angry all the way through but it's worth it in the end. Becomes a memory.

bosses that I beat on the first try....feels like taking my hands off my dick the moment I start to cum.

>>385599967
but it actually is, you fucking autistic retard.

>>385600514
Because memezaki is a hack. He just puts shit in his game that he thinks looks cool or sounds cool, then shoehorns it into the "lore" later. Anyone that tries to glean some deep or complicated lore out of the dark souls series is mentally retarded.

>>385599993
>trophy
>I know how to play anon
This must be bait.

>>385600561
DaS improved upon DeS a lot though, how is the only thing it did better is world design?
demon's souls didn't even have a kicking feature.
it was a huge improvement.

>>385599237
Because it's shit.
>cancerously bad pve that is always a chore to play through
>disgusting both aesthetically, graphically and animation wise
>no thought put into enemy design at all, can't name a single memorable enemy that was hard
>game just shits out garbage fodder like you're playing arcade mode or something
>bosses are absolute garbage, that are also easy as fuck (literally EVERY SINGLE BOSS is easy as fuck, even the dlc ones, fume is a fucking joke)
This has been said a thousand times now - dark souls 2 is trash

>>385600478
It's not that, they don't act fairly. Tracking is awful in DS2 and ruins it. You can't dodge like in previous games because it tracks you, even when the enemies do a full 360 spin.

not him, but care to provide an example?

>>385600561
Yes, but it doesn't have the DS "darkness", it's just generic.

>How does that change anything, DaS isn't more mature.
Less blood, for one.

>>385600771
shit meant for >>385600640

>>385600754
You can, learn to roll or pump adp if you can't into timing. If it is like you say then how did anyone ever beat the game you mong?

>>385600808
>blood makes a good game
Found the cod kid.

>>385600749
>cancerously bad pve that is always a chore to play through
I want to add to this. DS2 is the ONLY Dark Souls game where I had to routinely use a bow and arrow. I never had to with DS1/3. The game is that flawed when it comes to gameplay designed that I had to.

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>>385600749
>because I hate it for X reasons the story isn't canon

Where did this mentality come from?

Has anyone here who thinks Dark Souls 2 isn't canon even played Dark Souls 3?

>>385600880
Name one spot where you have to use a bow anon?

>>385600880
If you were low vigor. At the end I just pumped myself to 50 vig and facetanked through the last parts of the game, I couldn't fucking handle how shit it was anymore.

>>385600830
>pump adp if you can't into timing
>You're forced to level up a stat so you can dodge like previous games
That's a massive design flaw.

>>385600859
No? But the blood added to DS1.

>>385599679
>the bosses have nothing to do with the flame
Anon, the whole plot of DaS2 was that Vendrick and his brother tried to find a way out of the cycles and the flame.
>or barely reference Gwyn and his children.
Well, we know about Gwynevere, I'm assuming Gwyndolin remained in Anor Londo fucking around with illusions and fucking himself in the ass with his snakes, Nameless King is mentionned in DaS and explored in DaS3, and Filianore is mentionned for the first time in TRC. As for Gwyn, a few characters talk about him, and the old iron king IS his reincarnation, like lost sinner is bed of bullshit and rotten is nito.

>>385600921
Pretty much everywhere that I couldn't run through and skip enemies. Too many gank squads and enemies that track too much.

>>385600942
I had decent vigor. I get you though.

>>385600945
Or you could just get good and learn to roll without pumping adp. And blood adds nothing, don't kid yourself.

>>385601024
>And blood adds nothing, don't kid yourself.
Look at Bloodborne and say blood doesn't matter in games.

>>385601000
You a speed runner anon? And that's a pretty terrible excuse, the game forces me to use a bow because I can't handle more then one on one fights. Unlock and pay attention to your surroundings.

>>385601024
Adds a sense that you're doing damage. Every other souls game was definetly more satisfying that das2, felt like I was whacking enemies with a foam sword.

>>385600978
Not to mention the queens of main game and dlc are shards of manus. They were created when you beat manus father of the abyss.

>>385601092
No, however, I'd say it's influenced me when it comes to DS. Fights that involve gank squads and unfair tracking isn't fun.

>>385601064
Yes, I can see how covering yourself from head to toe with a cartoonish amount of blood adds to the gameplay. Point well proven anon! Your like those cunts that buy carbon fiber gas caps, thinking it will add more horsepower because it's carbon fiber.

>>385601154
They're a good example of bad boss fights too.

>"She's too easy to beat and boring, what do we do?"
>"Make it so she has status ailment clouds around her and that she can summon another boss to fight you."

"If you can't make it good, make it difficult."

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>>385599237
Because it's shit?

ds2 > bb > ds1 > ds > ds3

>>385599992
When you look at every aspect of the game individually, most of the time they are better in the sequels.

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>>385601173
Do you know what a paragraph is?

>>385601173

Wow.

Nice

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Dude!

>>385601301
this, ffs.

>>385601181
You don't understand anything about building atmosphere.

>>385601139
If you need to see paint and of blood to feel like you killed an enemy, then I guess anon. Seeing the enemy die is enough for me.
>>385601160
Again, git gud. When did the dark souls series begin to cater to such casuals? Every gank fight can be easily won if you don't panic and don't lock on.

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>>385601348
Either way, gank squads are cheap and not well designed. I've beaten gank squads before and I still don't find them fun.

>>385601347
>I can't into atmosphere unless every time I hit an enemy it looks like I threw a water balloon of blood at them
Sure anon. Bbg is that way.

>you will never go back to the first year dark souls 1 was released and so many people were playing that you would constantly be invaded or be able to invade without having to wait

>now its rare to invade

>>385600252
>Most of DS bosses
>Try to learn the pattern on the run or die trying, find spacing, learn to properly dodge the moves in timing and direction, then you can counter attack
>Most of DS2 Bosses
>Standstill blocking and fight like in runescape
>If it's a swarm boss either cheese it or prepare to fight for at least 10 minutes
Thats what happens when most or your bosses are humanoids

>>385601396
I think you should go play some turn based rpgs anon. Seems more your speed.

>>385601348
It's not for confirming kills, retard. Adds a sense that you're doing actual damage instead of whacking a shitty looking WoW enemy with a plastic swordthat has garbage mocap animations until he dies.

>>385600565
>I mean 4 kings only hit you for like 8% of your hp when you're wearing havels armor.

And now they have gone in the other side, even with the best armor in the game and 1500hp, even normal enemies will take 60% of your hp at every hit in ds3.

Armor is so fucking useless in ds3, equip your best armor and take a hit from a monster, then unequip the armor and fight naked with only a ring of steel protection, you will take the same damage, a fucking ring offers the same or more defense than the best armor set in the game.

Ds3 became too much like bloodborne for me, enemies who hit like trucks making heavy armor useless, poise is shit, equip a shield and you will notice that every enemies has up to two or four ways of breaking shields and unlimited stamina, the leaping fuckers are the worst of all.

On the other hand, equip something like warden twin blades, blast some bleed essence on it, and every boss in the game will die screaming in five seconds, its outright masochistic to play a str/shield build and take five years to kill a boss, while a dex build can kill the same boss in seconds.

I had fun playing a dual caestus build in ds2 because it was fun, the damage was average and punching things to death in the dual stance was satisfying as fuck, but playing any dex build in ds3 just shows how heavily the game rewards dex builds and punishes anything that resembles a str build, and forget about using shields, since every enemy in the game will take your shield from you by force and use the thing to beat you to death with it.

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>People criticizing Dark Souls 2 boss fights

Need I remind you faggots of more than half the bosses in DS1 being piss easy? Or how most DS3 bosses were "big bosses that move fast" trope?

DS2 bosses are pretty tame in term of difficulty and gimmick. You can hate DS2 all you want but to say the boss fights suck over DS1 and DS3, you are lying to yourself.

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I fucking miss Dual wielding.

>No unique dual wield stance.
>can't charge attack with left weapon
>can't do running attack with left weapon
>get a useless block for L1

>>385601437
>implying every boss in every dark souls isn't roll into their boss shield arm when he attacks
>stick to bosses ass
You can make up whatever excuses you want anon, but the bosses in dark souls have always been retardedly easy.

>>385601459
No, I like action games. DS2 isn't well designed.

>>385601518

At least every boss in the other 4 games isn't a predictable 3 hit combo. Even Alonne has more predictable (and less) attacks than Pursuers who is in the same game.

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>>385601173
>>385601491

>>385601471
>game is full of undead
>why doesn't gallons of blood come out when I hit them
Really makes you think.

>>385601247
Not difficult at all. Fume Knight and Sir Alonne. Those are difficult.

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>>385601612
Can you use a trip?
I need to know what posts are yours

>>385601626
>game is a shitty chinese copy
>people still play it
really fires up my neurons

>>385601614
I have to use reddit because /pol/ has ruined this board and I can only take so much of it

>>385601575

Try Demon's Scar or Heysel's pick depending on build in your left hand. Also:

http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/equipmentgroup:estoc
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/equipmentgroup:red-hilted-halberd
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/equipmentgroup:greatlance
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/equipmentgroup:dragonhead-shield
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/straight-swords

Check the notes for cool combos for PVP if you're interested. Nothing you want there but dual wielding is more effective in this game other than Thief Dagger off-hand Souls 2.

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>>385601173
>>385601359
>>385601491
>>385601612
autism speaks

>>385599237
Because it's almost insulting how bad it is.

>>385601459
i had a better idea.. i kick your girlfriend in the back of the legs and fuck her turn based style, just as i am about to nut i whip out dark souls 2 and while im covering her mouth and busting up her nostrils as she fingers my taint. bitch.

>>385601758
I hate to feed you but ruin sentinels isn't a hard fight. Maybe if you are shit and take a year to kill one, yeah. But they don't even attack you all at the same time, they have spacers for how long they wait till they activate.

By your shit standard the 4 kings is a hard fight.

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>>385599237
Because it can be platinumed in 10 days anon everyone knows that

>>385601846
>implying I have a girlfriend
Anon, you want to know how I know you are a dirty fucking casual normie?

dude above me is a fag

>>385601919
faggot

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>>385599237
DaS1>DaS2:SotFS>>BB>DeS>DaS3>DaS2.

I just had a lot of fun with the updated version of Dark Souls 2.

>>385601919
>>385601930
>>385601963
>>385602000
>>385601471
>>385601459
>>385601296
>>385601279
>>385601348


I have a lot to say about this subject, so, TL;DR it's a good game, but a bad Dark Souls.
One of the first things to notice is the absence of Dark Souls original creator,Hidetaka Miyazaki (not to be confused with Studio Ghibli's Miyazaki).
He is a mastermind of game design in my opinion, therefore I'm going to compare Dark Souls 2 with its predecessor, Dark Souls 1.
I won't compare it to Dark Souls 3 as it would be unfair since they learned from their mistakes from previous games (and it shows).
Without further delay, let's answer this question:

>>385601612
>dude you can just spam lifegems xD its so easy
>but it's haaard :(
which one is it you fucking autismo

>>385602028
This is some low grade bait.

>>385602000

Dumb waifu trips poster who thinks Scholar is better than the original Dark Souls II (like the annoying status quo) despite its only improvements being in No Man's Wharf and Dragonshrine. The rest being filled with poor lighting and horrible decisions such as blocking a tutorial, enemy placement and making the game more linear than the original version.

>>385602028
go fuck yourself with a 2 foot pole you fucking dyslexic piece of shit!

das2 pushed my shit in

>>385602086
he has trips to back his claim, you have a 4 inch dick.

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>>385602086
The fuck? The enemy placement is way better in SotFS. Never heard anyone say it was worse before.

>>385601173
>>385601359
Jesus Christ. Shut the fuck up. People have been discussing this game ever since it came out. Anyone who has played it can point its NUMEROUS flaws and its FEW good things. We all know it's not a bad game. It's just a TERRIBLE Dark Souls game

>>385601903
>>385602191
>matthewmatosis
>highly underrated channel
>1 million views
>139k subscribers
>underrated

here's to you getting BTFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTfcMeqhig

>>385602191
he just pings random people, people not even involved in his shitty discussion.

so basically /v/ hates it, but it has the best review scores of the 3 games

v hating it is the final assurance I need to know das2 is the best one.

>>385602302
fuck

>>385602168
They still couldn't arse themselves to take the Grave Wardens out of Earthen Peak and whatever that horse is doing in Drangleic Castle is beyond me.

>>385602302
you

>>385602256
hbomberguy makes good videos (when he's not being an SJW), but his DS2 video just doesn't do a good job at convincing me to like DS2. He brings up some good points, but most of it feels contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

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>>385599237
Game is shit. PvE is shit. PvP is shit. Not a single redeeming factor.
>-b-b-b-b--b-bb-but m---m-m-m-m-m-muh bub-b--b-b-b-b-build variety!!!!!
doesn't matter when the game is shit
>bb-b-b-b-bb-b--b-b-b-but m-m-m-m-m-uh pv-v-pv-p-v-p-PVP!
it's shit
>b-b-b-b--b-bbut m-m---m-mm-uh non linear w-world!!!!
doesn't matter when the game is steaming garbage HAHAHA

>>385602374
>when he's not being an SJW

Explain. Just discovered his channel not too long ago and thought his videos were alright. I don't wanna be subbed to an SJW faggot though.

>>385600729
I meant the following games. Of course DaS improve on DaS. And DaS2/DaS3/BB improve on DaS.

DLC's:
Crown of the Sunken King: It's the worst of the 3. No particular boss fight nor area that I liked, enemies were straight obnoxious.

Crown of the Old Iron King: This one's better. The level design is above average compared to the rest of the game and the enemies are good enough to be a challenge but not too hard. The Fume Knight was the biggest challenge I've faced in the entire game, took me 60+ trys, I had to change my playstyle many times until I found the one ( naked with a greatshield and a poleaxe), and this, constantly adapting to your enemies is the very heart of Dark Souls. Pretty good DLC overall.

Crown of the Ivory King: This is the best of the batch. The frozen landscape awed me. The bosses are challenging. The enemies design is pretty good. I really liked that you can get extra help for the DLC's final boss by freeing various NPCs but it's not required at all, you get to choose the handicap for the boss.

>>385602519
Some of his videos are pro-SJW, feminism etc. His gaming video at least don't appear to have these themes. He's kind of a nu-male.

>>385602315
>muh best review ratings
>when the "Dark Souls of X" meme was running rampant
I know you're gonna dismiss my claim but it's well known that DaS2 is a bad Souls, maybe even a bad Souls game. No contrarian is ever going to change that opinion.
Review scores don't matter for shit, if you actually read the review you will see that retards that rated DaS2 actually have no idea what they're talking about. Go read IGN's Demon's Souls review, surprisingly one of the best I read and the reason I bought the game and loved it back in '09.
ign.com/articles/2009/10/08/demons-souls-review

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>>385602156

Damn my legitimate criticism is destroyed by a fellow 6iq poster.

>>385602168

They made the Heide knights boring and forced them all in Heide, also going against their lore as they wandered aimlessly according to armour.

The dragon's guardian (red drake, named Dragon Guardian incorrectly in English) has no place in Heide's due to the dragonrider rode wyrms which are either in the intro of the game or in concept art. See picture for that.

Why are the mammoth knights in the water logged building in Heide on the way to No Man's Wharf? And Sylan knights?

The torch hollow in No Man's Wharf treats the player like a dumbass as if you cannot figure out that light will scare the black monsters and spoils its encounter later on in Undead Crypt.

The Heide Knight missing from Forest of Fallen Giants is devastating and makes the tree area boring with more hollows to fight instead.

Roaming Pursuers in 2nd phase mode are easier to kill than pursuers without it. The humanity based attacks make it more open. Should have been in default form but otherwise Pursuers added to the game is fine.

Bastion is fine. But Sinner's Rise is retarded especially if you didn't go No Man's Wharf way! Although the Flexile Sentry (Executor of Exiles, crammed people into a ship and sent them off to sea as no room in bastille) is here the half undead human half dragon monstrosities of Aldia make more sense as this area was likely used as a dump.

Jeez this is a lot.

Falconers in Shaded Woods and Telsadora is fucking embarrassing. They were hidden behind NG+ for a reason as they looked like shit and were unfinished.

NG+ hid a Freja encounter behind NG+ in original version, should have been in original game as it's cool and would have made the area better first time. No change here, terrible.

Tseldora is now more annoying.

Gulch, Grave of Saints and Gutter is fine.

Will continue.

>thread ruined by people spamming tabs
if you want people to read your arguments then don't treat every sentence like it's a paragraph you retards.

>>385602168

I just looked like the annoying spam poster with the annoying reddit spacer. Cont. from here: >>385602168

I don't remember changes to Copse, good. But Earthern Peak and the area name before it that always fail me is fine. Iron Keep looks like its annoying NG+ variant now and I dislike it but otherwise not too bad.

Drangleic Castle is the epitome of awful. Executor's chariot and Old Knight room instead of mammoth and Alonne archers is a straight downgrade. I could spend more discussing this but it should be clear the quality descended hard from the original version's enemy layout.

While Amana did nothing to fix how annoying it is, the additions here are cool and fit in with Things Betwixt and Drangleic enemies (ogre, dragonrider is awesome to fight and more fun than Sylan knights) but it has some issues such as Old Knight golems from heide being here for no reason. Overall still bad area.

Insolent Clerics are cool in Undead Crypt is cool. I believe a Dragonrider is here too. Ok add this to the good list, three areas.

Aldia's is worse due to more blockage and this was weakest and most disappointing area in original game. Dragon Aerie is the WORST now. You're expected to go through the level BACKWARDS unless you have a yore branch.

Dragon Shrine is now cool. Dragons only attack you as phantoms and if you run away. Honorable duel meme done right. Dreams are fine. DLCs haven't changed anything, IIRC.

Dark Souls 2 may be shit, but Scholars is worse

>>385602989

Also another note: You don't need Scholars for the Scholars main content which is Aldia.

DS3 is actually worse than DS2. At the very least the DS2 team tried to do some things a little differently (warping from the beginning, more gimmick weapons, dual wielding anything, trying to set up future sequels because "muh cycle")

DS3 just lamed everything out, somehow manages to make the game more linear than DS2, destroyed poise copped out of an actual ending. The final boss of the entire series is just some random dude you met once, who fights like an artorias on steroids

What the fuck is this thread?

>>385603145

http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/poise

No warping and leveling at bonfire > HUB zone level up waifu.

Same reason why bioshock 2 was the worst
one, it just wasn't as good as the first. Sure, in
both cases, the combat was better. Bioshock 2
and dark souls 2 had a less clunky and more
fluent combat system, but the level design, the
characters, the story just wasn't as good as the
first, and that was disappointing.
Are dark souls 2 or bioshock 2 bad games? No.
I really enjoyed both. I, and others, were just
disappointed it wasn't as good as the first. Now
people who trash on this game are different.
They're mostly idiots. But you just specified why
do people say number 2 is the worst. Unless
you've played the first one, you'll probably not
understand why. But it was better.
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>>385603145
The ending of the series is right there. At least you have a choice unlike DaS2. Soul of Cinder is the final boss of the series and it's fitting for an end.

The Dark Soul being a shitty retard is fitting because it fits the theme of the furtive Pygmy.

>>385603145
So much wrong with this post.
>DS3 just lamed everything out, somehow manages to make the game more linear than DS2
False, they are both linear
>destroyed poise
Poise babbies still upset they can't cheese the game anymore
>copped out of an actual ending
Because there's not supposed to be an actual ending? DaS made it clear that its world is in a continuous cycle and no matter what you do you are fated to repeat it. The fact that a sequel even exists destroys any chance of a good ending, or an interesting story at all, which is why DaS2 was so uninteresting
>The final boss of the entire series is just some random dude you met once, who fights like an artorias on steroids
But the final boss of the series is Soul of Cinder

>>385602208
>Anyone who has played it can point its NUMEROUS flaws
Anyone can do the same with DaS
>FEW good things
You mean a SHITTON of good things? Many things from DaS are improved, and there are a ton of entirely new concepts.
>It's just a TERRIBLE Dark Souls game
But that's just what DaS defense force says even do people proved it wrong countless times.

As I said earlier, when you look at each aspect of the game individually, DaS2 does a ton of them better than DaS. And some does BB and DaS3. DaS may be the favorite for a lot of fans, for many many reasons, that doesn't change the fact that objectively speaking, it's the weakest in the series after DeS.

And I assume we're talking about sotfs here, vanilla DaS2 is indeed the worst souls game by far. sotfs is better than DaS and DeS, weaker than BB and DaS3. The games are getting better over time.

>>385603852

Vanilla DaS2 is better than Scholars.

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>>385602302
> why is there an ogre in the first area? why did you add another ogre to the tutorial area?
What exactly is wrong with the ogres? They'll teach new players that enemies are optional a lot of the time, about grab attacks and one shots.
>why are there giant hollows mixed with fat sledgehammer wielding hollows mixed with fire sorceresses?
Why would there not be? The game offers you many ways to deal with every encounters, and frustrating enemy placement has been a thing since DeS. I never felt frustrated or that the game was unfair in DaS2, yet it happened in DaS all the time.
>There are mages in the catacombs that look exactly like Magicka's characters
Anon, soulsborne games are heavily influenced and often reference movies, books, paintings and other form of art aswell as anime.
> I wish they would've expanded more on Dark Souls 1 universe
Everyone said they wanted something entirely new for DaS2. They expanded A LOT on the lore in DaS3 and people still complained
>And NPC's plot are dull at best
Opinions? Lucatiel, Patches and Creighton are better than anything in DaS, equal as Solaire.
>There's no Solaire to praise the sun
You are complaining about the lack of memes?
>no Patches
There is, it's Pate.
>The main story is really boring
Boring is an opinion, not a fact. Many people think the whole story with Vendrick, Aldia, reincarnations, escaping the curse and cycles, the dragons, the dark, the giants and what Vendrick stole, and Nashandra being a fragment of Manus is way more interesting and engaging than "kill those 4 dudes and link the flame because a knight freed you from your cell".
>superficial
Anon, it's more complex with more elements, more cryptic and requires you to read more items, that doesn't make it superficial

>>385604376

Not him but Ogre is fine but it's a broken shit enemy that has bad hitboxes. Also it breaks agro conventions throughout the series when patrolling that river. Which is fine but you said it teaches things, which it only breaks.

>>385602379
PvE isn't shit. PvP has ALWAYS been shit, but DaS2 has the best.
>Not a single redeeming factor.
A LOT more good bosses than DaS.
Some areas like fotfg are just as good as the best in DaS, DLC areas obliterate everything in DaS
Build variety
Powerstancing
Port is fantastic and the game runs at 234534 trillion fps without needing a fanmade fix
Only soulsborne game with an actual NG+
Bonfire ascetics

If DaS does those things better than DaS while being shit, then DaS is ultra shit since it's objectively worse than shit.
Do you have any actual arguments against DaS? DaSbabies are the worst.

>>385604562

Now come up with your own opinion as if you knew DaS2 PVP there's no real weapon variety (thrusting sword, thief sword, FUGS phantom blocking), power stancing is bad outside of double rapier for PVE, port ran well but wasn't fixed until early 2015 due to durability bullshit.

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>this thread
Good fucking lord.

>>385603145
Both DaS3 and DaS2 are better than DaS anon.
>DS3 just lamed everything out
What does "lamed" mean? It has the best gameplay since it's Dark Souls but tweaked, faster and on a new engine, with motherfucking weapon arts, that are the most brilliant idea Miyazaki ever had.
>make the game more linear than DS2
le linear is bad meme. DaS is non linear only until the second bell, that's 1/3 of the game. DeS is linear, Bloodborne is the most linear of them all, and yet it's by far the best. They all are linear except the beginning of DaS, it's not a series defining feature. Individual level design is far more important and I think we can all agree that DaS3 is the undisputed leader when it comes to level design.
>destroyed poise
You mean reworked. It was OP in previous games, now it does what it's supposed to do, prevent staggering while you attack. And just because you don't like it or prefer the old version doesn't mean the new one is bad.
>copped out of an actual ending
How does DaS3 not have an ending? I ended with a fantastic boss fight and every important plot point explained. How was is supposed to end?
>The final boss of the entire series is just some random dude you met once
Final boss is SoC not Gael. As for Gael, there is nothing wrong with having met him once, he's just some slaveknight that fought the dragons alongside the gods, a literally who who wanted to find the dark soul so that the little girl can paint a new world and survived until the very end of times to do that. He's just like you, a literally who who never gave up up until mere second before the sun died.
>who fights like an artorias on steroids
Both are corrupted, it makes sense. He can also airflip like the abysswatchers, shoot his crossbow like Guts, throw miracles, teleport by summoning himself with soapstones (lmao he's OP), and he looks fucking cool, the cutscene is kino, the soundrack is ear porn, the setting and arena are god tier.

How is that not perfect?

>implying Drangleic isn't Londor

>>385599237
its narrative and location are so disconnected from the other two games, does it even matter ?