DAWN OF THE 17TH DAY
408 HOURS REMAIN
Post your:
>Favorite zone
>Favorite song
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
>Zones you don't want to see
>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yet
>Favorite zone:
Flying Battery
>Favorite Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv7ywWsAWyg
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
Spring Yard, Mystic Cave and Hydrocity.
>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
Tomposter
>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yetUNLOCKABLE AMY
Forgot
Zones I dont want to see are:
Oil Ocean, Sandopolis, Hill Top Zone, Aquatic Ruin Zone
wew
>Favorite zone
Hydrocty
>Favorite Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uazL8HejVJ8
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
Starligh, Icecap and Death egg (s&k).
>>385538321
>>Favorite zone
Too many to decide on
>>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
Spring Yard, Star Light, Mystic Cave orMetropolis Zone (so they can make it better), Hydrocity Zone, Ice Cap Zone, Doomsday Zone
>>Zones you don't want to see
Marble Zone, Hill Top, Oil Ocean
>>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
You
>>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yet
Final level exclusive to super form
>>385539315
>You
Anyone else digging the final version of Studiopolis zone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV4WrCW-5Lw
>>385540294
S3&K sprite will always be the best
Will they be doing a zone remake from Sonc 3?
Does anyone have that pic with the level trope analysis in it?
>>385541653
>>385542151
>>385542649
If Tidal Tempest actually somehow made it, that's the one where i'd want US over JP for soundtrack.
>>385539315
The only thing wrong with Metropollis are the crab hitboxes. They don't fit the sprite.
>>385542649
One of the levels has to have a surfing/boarding mechanic based on this sprite from the official sonic twitter.
>>385542890
Also unavoidable enemy placement ala the slicers.
Was about to make a thread so here is some OC I whipped up for the OP image.
Anyway I just finished the Sonic 2 port on 3DS. I'd say it's the best mobile version because it's not on a fucking phone. M2 really did good work and it's a shame we won't see more genesis games from them.
>Favorite zone
I really fucking like the Casino/Carnival/Pinball type zones
>Favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk8f5U8IDKM
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
I'm happy to see Chemical plant. I don't really have a wish list. I'd more interested in the new zones
>Zones you don't want to see
Sandopolis, Oil Ocean
>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
Cybershell. Go play Sonic Rush you dumb fuck
>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yet
This is really dumb but I want to be able to have anyone follow anyone. It always bothered me that the only duo can be Sonic & Tails. They don't even necessarily have to give Sonic & Knuckles special "partner" abilities. I just want them along for the ride.
>>385542912
Ice Cap confirmed.
>>385543041
When you're running through a "open" segmente you should expect to see them.
At least I don't have a problem with them.
>>385543092
>It always bothered me that the only duo can be Sonic & Tails.
This. We need Sonic & Knuckles and Tails & Knuckles game modes.
>>385543285
You're forgetting Tails & Sonic, Knuckles & Sonic, and Knuckles & Tails modes.
>>385543261
I'm talking about the multiple instances when you get bounced up by those yellow bumpers right into an attack you can't dodge because of automation. It happens more than once.
I do, however, think asterons are actually well designed.
>>385543112
Nope.
>>385543594
That icecube doesn't prove anything. You could get frozen in Wacky Workbench in Sonic CD, that level is far from an ice level.
>>385538321
>Favorite zone
Chemical Plant
>Favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MrP51YTWak
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
Assuming there are 7, I want the remaining zones to be Lava Reef, Hydrocity, and Mystic Cave.
>Zones you don't want to see
plz no Oil Ocean
>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
Everyone who comes in these threads just to shit on Classic Sonic
>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yet
Bonus stages like in Sonic 3, which would be Halfpipe, Rotating Special Stage, and Blue Sphere
Want to see:
Mystic Cave Zone
Hydrocity Zone
Launch Base Zone
Death Egg Zone
Don't want to see:
Every other Zone from Sonic 2
Marble Hill Zone
>>385543594
You do know there are trees on mountains right? Sakura Ski Resort Zone.
>>385543092
>Sonic 2 port on 3DS. I'd say it's the best
Retarded and objectively wrong.
>>385543796
Yeah, just have a freezer gimmick in two stages, that TOTALLY won't kill variety or anything.
>>385544181
just have a spring gimmick in every stage it won't do any harm
>>385543594
In the picture with Tails, it seems to be a sort of ancient temple below Studopolis. Could it be that the next level after Studiopolis is that temple?
And about Sonic arriving as an Ice Cube, it may be after the fact that Ice Cap Zone is the previous level and Robotnick, after the boss fight, manages to freeze Sonic and sent him to the Sakura Mansion.
I must have completely shed my love for Sonic because this game made me feel nothing.
Which is odd because I was actually a huge sonic fan in the early 90's when he first came out. Even shelled out money for the saturn. I also rented the dreamcast from Hollywood Video months before it was released and beat Sonic Adventure in one sitting without a memory card.
Now....now I just don't care anymore.
I still like Sonics character design...as I think it represents what a good design can do....but yeah. It's a strange feeling to look at something you used to love and have no feeling at all.
>>385538321
>Favorite zone
Ice Cap
>Favorite song
Rusty Ruins 1 Genesis
>Wishlist
Marble, Mystic Cave, Ice Cap, Lava Reef
>Don't want to see
Labyrinth, Casino Night, Carnival Night, a second CD rep
>Autist you hate
Anti-Adventure fag(s)
>Other shit you want to see
A new metal/mecha Sonic variant because why not
>>385538321
>Favorite Zone
Either Chemical Plant or Flying Battery
>Favorite SongDoomsday Zone
>Reimagined Classic Wishlist
Hydrocity, Ice Cap, Mystic Cave, and Lava Reef
>Zones I don't want
Every third zone except Tidal Tempest (Spring Yard, Aquatic Ruin, Marble Garden, and Sandopolis)
>Other shit
If Scrap Brain makes it in, i'd like to see it take design elements from the other "final" levels (Metropolis, Metallic Madness, Launch Base, and Death Egg) kind of like that part of Green Hill that has level design from Palmtree Panic.
>>385544181
What if there's a transition cutscene where Sonic gets frozen into a cube at the end of the ice cap reimagine level and he falls into the sakura garden zone?
It's a huge assumption to make just based on one picture that we're not getting ice cap
>>385544776
>transition cutscene
Why on earth would that be in level concept art?
>>385544924
Cutscene ends with him falling, cuts to in game where the cube hits the ground, he breaks out and the level begins.
Just an example, just saying anything is possible
>>385538321
It's not looking like it's happening at this point, but I would have liked the time attack stages from Sonic 3 to get the full stage treatment. Particularly Chrome Gadget.
>>385538321
A+
>Emerald Hill
>Chemical Plant
>Hydro City
>Flying Battery
A
>Starlight
>Aquatic Ruin
>Casino Night
>Mystic Cave
>Metropolis
>Ice Cap
>Mushroom Hill
B
>Green Hill
>Scrap Brain
>Hill Top
>Wing Fortress
>Angel Island
>Launch Base
>Palmtree Panic
>Stardust Speedway
C
>Marble
>Spring Yard
>Oil Ocean
>Sky Chase
>Marble Garden
>Lava Reef
>Hidden Palace
>Sky Sanctuary
>Collision Chaos
>Tidal Tempest
D
>Labyrinth
>Carnival Night
>Metallic Madness
>Sandopolis
F
>Wacky Workbench
Final Bosse:
>S3 Launch Base > Death Egg 3 > Death Egg 2 > Final Zone > Doomsday Zone > Metallic Madness
Special Stages:
>Sonic 3&K > S1 > S2 > SCD
Overall:
>S3&K = S2 > S1 > SCD
Favorite song is probably Flying Battery.
As for reimaginings I am already pretty content with Flying Battery and Chemical Plant getting in. Hydrocity is a pretty easy next choice.
>>385545109
Emerald Hill is empty and boring and where is Death Egg?
>>385545048
I'm asking why would they draw something minuscule like that for concept art meant to show off a level?
>>385545109
Emerald Hill is a GHZ clone. Why is it at the top?
To the fag who said sonic 3 is better than sonic and knuckles, you're fucking wrong. Sonic 3 has a really anticlimactic ending. Big arms was a shitty final boss and launch base looks like it should be the third zone.
>>385545258
Emerald Hill is my favorite starting zone in the series. It could use a few more secrets akin to Green Hill's lower sections but I love its open air design and flow.
As for Death Egg 3 I must have removed it by mistake when I was cleaning up after I moved the other final boss acts into their own category. It's one of my favorites. An easy A.
>>385545358
Both of you are retarded because 3&K is one game and should be treated as such.
>>385545358
Big Arms is one of the best bosses in the series. Much better than the shitty chase boss at the end of S&K. S&K is better overall though.
>>385545305
Because it plays nothing like GHZ. It just looks like it on a superficial level. GHZ is much more closed in and vertical with structure focusing on enabling speed when the player is familiar enough to time their jumps and rolls according to the rigid upward hills and its slopes.
EHZ on the other hand grants speed as a given and uses hazards to break up the pace, continued stretches of speed are granted as the player learns to avoid the hazards.
The emphasis on flow is why I prefer Emerald Hill over GHZ.
>>385543673
I beat Sonic 2 so many times as a little 5 year old. First time beating it I cried. Then I went to my uncles house and watched him playing Sonic 3 and knuckles, and didnt even know there was more sonic. That following christmas he got Sonic 3 with the knuckles lock on cartridge, and I played that thing every single day. When I finally got all the super emeralds I was ecstatic and immediately called my uncle on my moms phone to tell him the news. He thought it was amazing because even he had some tough time with the blue spheres. Thank you anon for reminding me of some of my fondest memories, I cant believe something I've waited 14 years for is almost here :')
>>385545439
It was sold as two separate games and even in compilations the two are kept separate. Just like Ground Zeroes is a separate game from The Phantom Pain so too is Sonic 3 separate from Sonic & Knuckles.
>>385545292
Oh, so you're thinking they're demonstrating a level gimmick. Yeah, good point. I just wouldn't rule out ice cap because of an ice cube is all I'm saying.
>>385545553
Valid, but if they're looking for variety in zone themes, it's probably not going to make it in.
>UNLOCKABLE AMY
TELL US, AARON
Who /tailsrun/ first?
>>385545763
Oh I'm not after Emerald Hill getting in. I know GHZ is Sega and everyone else's go to for starting zone to include for nostalgia. That's just my list of favorites. Hydrocity is the one I still think might have a chance getting in.
>>385546120
Not me.Because to this day I have never completed a sonic and tails run. I've only sonic alone so I'm going to do sonic and tails first in mania.
>>385546221
MODS
>>385546221
If I hadn't seen her ass I'd think she was only a 5-6 or so. That ass alone makes her prime breeding material.
>>385545685
>Just like Ground Zeroes is a separate game from The Phantom Pain
Can you combine both of them and play them as one complete game as it was always intended? No? Then not an argument.
>>385545109
A+
>Chemical Plant
>Hydrocity
>Lava Reef
>Mystic Cave
A
>Stardust Speedway
>Green Hill
>Ice Cap
>Flying Battery
>Mushroom Hill
>Casino Night
>Launch Base
B
>Death Egg(3K)
>Scrap Brain
>Star Light
>Quartz Quadrant
>Aquatic Ruin
>Carnival Night
>Sky Sanctuary
>Spring Yard
>Tidal Tempest
C
>Sandopolis
>Labyrinth
>Angel Island
>Marble Garden
>Collision Chaos
>Palmtree Panic
>Metropolis
>Emerald Hill
>Hill Top
>Wing Fortress
D
>Oil Ocean
>Marble
F
>Wacky Workbench
>Metallic Madness
Final Bosses:
>S3 Big Arms > Death Egg Robot(2) > Death Egg Robot(3) > Doomsday > Final Zone > Metallic Madness
Overall:
>S3&K > S2 > S1 = SCD
>>385546042
Every character has a movement gimmick, what would hers be?
>>385546356
You can lock on S&K with Sonic 2 as well so I guess those are the same game too. Hell the entire Genesis library is one game because of Blue Sphere. Lock on gimmick doesn't change that they were sold and marketed as two separate games and have always been presented as such even when rereleased they were kept separate.
>>385546359
I am going to steal your naming conventions for the next time I post mine. Also respectable list.
>>385546042
UNLOCKABLE SHADOW
>>385546523
They could give her the insta shield and perhaps she could propel herself around with her hammer
>>385546359
CD anything shouldn't be higher than a C. Labyrinth belongs all the way at the bottom.
>>385546523
A mini-boost which can defeat enemies as long as they aren't protected from the front or back.
>>385546523
High jump with her hammer.
>>385546781
Stardust Speedway is fun and goes by quickly if you know the layout, plus the Metal Sonic race is GOAT. Labyrinth plays more like a traditional platformer than a Sonic level, which is polarizing but not outright terrible
is sonic mania going to be slower in europe like the genesis games?
>>385540093
Is this a trick question?
>>385546276
You have to admit it is nice, though.
Are there any super challenging/torture platformer rom hacks of Sonic? They used to be popular on the Mario side with stuff like Kaizo Mario, but I don't see much talk of hard Sonic rom hacks.
>>385545565
It's a pretty good feeling. Especially since I was a huge fan of the games as a kid (despite sucking). Mania has sort of rekindled an interest I haven't had in decades. I mean the last Sonic game I played was Adventure back in like 2001. This quick play through of 1 this morning was a heavy dose of nostalgiahol. I'll probably buy 2 and 3 now and give them a go some time soon.
I mean even if Mania winds up sucking I can thank it for the good time I'm having in the hype phase leading up to it at least.
>>385547136
Sonic Megahack gets tough, but (what I believe to be) the final level is difficult to the point of being tedious
>>385540534
>Liking derpy mcfucktard Sonic
Yeah Nah.
>>385546652
>You can lock on S&K with Sonic 2 as well
And the only thing you get is playable Knuckles instead of a seamless continuation of the game and it's story. Your other examples are null as well for the same reason.
>always been presented as such even when rereleased they were kept separate.
Really now?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/71162/Sonic_3___Knuckles/
waiting
amy in mania pls taxmen
>no super tails
>no hyper knuckles
>no super emeralds
>no mecha sonic
why were some of the best things about S3&K scrapped lore wise?
>>385547435
Power creep. Plus those best things about S3&K were plot threads exclusive to S3&K that were tied up and dealt with in S3&K.
>>385547347
>really now
I stand corrected. One bundle still doesn't outweigh the dozens of other rereleases where they were separate, let alone the original releases.
>>385543928
this is a really nice picture. any version without amy in it?
>>385546120
Me, anon.
>>385547660
I want tohugthat fox!
>>385547429
>All this Amy love
My niggas. Post more Amy
>>385547596
Sonic Mega collection has each iteration of & Knuckles as it's own game too.
The xbox360 version of S3 and S&K can be virtually docked if you have both.
Fact of the matter is it was conceptually meant to be one game but restrained by hardware. So the docking thing was just convenient marketing like blast processing
>>385546120
>not playing sonic first
blesphameresy
>>385547821
I'll share what I got.
Guess who played the game, boys
>>385547596
>>385547347
>>385546652
>>385545685
>>385545439
>>385545358
>To this day people still argue over whether S3K is one game or two
It's both. Wake up niggas
>>385548184
>life icon in wrong corner
NICE TRY
>decide that I should play through every 2D sonic in preparation for Mania
>mfw the game gear games are complete ass
>>385547596
Sonic Jam on Saturn also has them at separate titles but allows them to lock on
The sonic & knuckles collection on PC has S3, S&K, and S3&K
>>385548184
>Life counter in wrong place
>Hill Top graphics aren't even upgraded
I miss the days when people put effort into hoaxes
>>385548268
>what is HUD positioning
the sonic 1 and 2 ports even have it
>>385548450
because they're mobile games nigga so the controls go in the bottom corners. Y'all retarded
>>385548538
you can change that, you know
same deal there
>>385548184
SHAMEFUR DISPRAY
>>385548635
yeah right
you're retarded
>>385548635
"I-Its a feature!"
You fucked up. Stop backpedaling.
>>385540534
he looks kinda goofy compare to other sonics with his big gloves and big shoes but i still like it because it looks closer to actually how sonic looks. mania is a nice compromise
>>385548184
>Get to play highly anticipated new game
>Decide to sneak a screenshot for the lads on /v/
>What should I take a picture of? An unseen section? A new zone? The 2-player menu? A new twist on an old area? Something people haven't seen a lot of, like the Special Stage?
>Nah I'll just take a picture of an empty corridor in a boring zone nobody wants/expects with absolutely nothing happening in it and no graphical upgrades
Even if you WERE a real leaker, you'd still be retarded
Give me one (1) good reason sonic mania shouldn't be released for android.
>>385548691
>>385548791
When Sega drops the new trailer on the 12th you'll see Hill Top anyway so whatever
Go download the sonic 1 port. Takes 2 seconds
>>385548184
Jesus at least put effort into your bait, man. The main artist in mania confirmed that theyre not just plopping sprites right into the levels, they give every single graphic an overhaul.
>favorite zone
Stardust Speedway, with Hydrocity a close second
>Favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMif2x1yHg
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
Quartz Quadrant, Hydrocity, Lava Reef, Mystic Cave, Aquatic Ruin,Marina Madness except the level layout is completely redesigned to make it an actually good level. knuckles' chaotix's music and aesthetic are way too good to be stuck in such a shitty game, and either chrome gadget or endless mine, only one though
>Zones you don't want to see
labyrinth, oil ocean, wing fortress, marble, marble garden, and sandopolis. all are bland levels with bland gimmicks and bland music
>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
Myself
>other shit you want to see in the game they haven't announced yet
time attack (pretty much guaranteed), stardust speedway having 3 acts, act 1 past act 2 present act 3 good/bad future depending on your chaos emeralds, midnight release pleasepleaseplease, and playableMetal.
>>385548916
Too expensive.
>>385548916
It'll likely get ported eventually.
>>385549000
Obviously not
If you look at that chemical plant screenshot you posted the only thing they even changed is the size of the bubbles in the tubes you run on
>>385549000
man, those sprites look so damn good on closer inspection.
>>385548916
It probably will get a mobile port like a year down the line or something - we know the engine's capable of it. The thing is, people don't really take mobile games seriously so I'm guessing they intentionally didn't give it a mobile version at first because they thought it would devalue the game in the eyes of the consumers, so to speak.
Besides which, piracy is enough of a problem on PC, but on Android it's arguably even more rampant. Why would they give away Sonic Mania for free to everybody who has a phone, when they can force people to buy it for the Switch if they want to play it on the go?
>>385543594
>two night time city levels (stardust speedway and studiopolis)
>two levels with bumpers (studiopolis and mirage saloon)
>but there can't be two levels with ice in them
>>385548184
And another one for the collection.
>>385548916
>tfw just want s3&k remaster
>tfw s3&k is the one that deserves a remaster the most
>tfw it will probably be phone exclusive anyway
>>385549283
t. blind faggot
>>385549512
Thanks for this
>Favorite zone
LAUNC BASE ZONE
>Favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ZSrPIFETg
JAM TO THIS SHIT ALL NIGHT LONG
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
LAUNCH BASE ZONE
>Zones you don't want to see
NOT LAUNCH BASE ZONE
>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
ANY OF THE TRIPFAGSsorry lange and cybershell but stop it
>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yet
idk just dont fuck up the final level/final boss
>>385549439
jesus people aren't even trying
>>385548184
It's a good thing this isn't real. Jesus Christ, that would be such a terrible choice for a zone. Who the fuck even liked Hill Top? I can't think of one person
>>385549283
The clouds weren't there before. The buildings in the background have added highlights around the edges. The palettes appear to be different. The black and yellow striped parts are entirely reshaded. The yellowish-green buildings in the BG appear to have been reshaded too, as is the red pipe thing underneath Tails
Need I go on?
>>385549283
Oh boy
How are you going to feel when Flying Battery is confirmed to be the Sonic 3 stage rep the entire time?
Hydrocity and Ice cucks, get out. We Sky Sanctuary now.
>>385549512
>>385549610
>>385549741
Ugh they moved two pressure valves out the tiles game ruined 0/10
>>385549741
Slow it down one second longer and add a one pixel black border imo.
>>385549409
>bumpers
>mirage saloon
>>385549738
Nah, Taxman has said outright that we're getting at least 1 zone from S3 AND S&K. It's one thing to be intentionally vague and avoid answering certain questions, but these dudes don't strike me as the type to outright lie about that kind of thing.
>>385549881
There are the ones that pop like in Collision Chaos right?
>>385549409
Stardust Speedway is hardly a "City Level" especially if they use Past only.
>>385547657
I have customized it to your liking.
>>385550046
they work a little differently - they send you in the same direction you were going iirc, that or always upward. can't remember off the top of my head
>>385548295
Don't be talking shit about my Game Gear Sonics anon. Those hold a special place in my heart, even if they aren't as good as the Genesis ones.
>>385549409
>>385550150
>Act 1 is the normal past but with the plant shit
>Act 2 isn't the present, good, or bad future
>It's aMania Futureand the place is a ruined jungle speedway at night
>>385549881
>>385550046
>>385550221
They're more like the balloons in Carnival Night.
>>385550167
perfect! thx!!!
>>385549881
well, there's these shits, which i thought were bumpers, but i guess i wasn't remembering correctly. even still, that's two levels with pinball gimmicks, plus the city thing still stands
>>385550150
it's an overgrown city, but still a city
>>385550221
>>385550312
Oh right I remember now. Thanks.
>>385549881
>>385550046
>>385550221
>>385550312
No joke, are people actually legitimately excited for a Sonic game? Sonic the Hedgehog was already proven to give people autism by the US Government. It's also casual shit for kids, so I'm confused as to why /v/ is hype for it...
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21984201
>>385547136
Sonic VR is kind of like Sonic and Super Meat Boy had a baby.
>>385550729
>flipper
>badnick
>balloon
Where the bumpers, m8?
>>385550916
This is the most cancerous post currently on /v/.
>>385551003
>badnik has a spring
>>385551003
uh, on the bison Badnik
>>385550916
You're a retard
>>385551003
>Getting caught up on semantics
Sonic says that's no good
>>385551110
wow i'm a fucking idiot
bumper, it has a bumper
>>385551174
>autistic manchild hyped for a sonic game calling other people retards
Wew lad
>>385551003
The middle pic is a two for one. Bumper on the badnik and the piano keys are springs.
Please don't attempt to split hairs by pretending badnik bumpers don't count as bumpers now. We're all adults here. Don't be dumb.
>>385551252
Looks like someone's jimmies are rustled.
>>385551353
my name isn't jimmy
>>385543831
>Genesis over Saturn OST
Impeccable taste
>>385543831
Imagine 2 player Blue Sphere, co-op and versus modes.
>>385551110
>>385551220
>>385551186
>>385551270
>>385551150
Badnicks ain't stage gimmicks, which was the entire point. You destry the enemy and you're left without a bumper to interact with, you can't do that with an actual bumper.
>>385549738
>flying battery
>sonic & knuckles stage
>sonic 3 rep
Is there anything in mania as good as this?
https://youtu.be/Vjb2asrjv-o
>>385551750
It doesn't really matter whether they're integrated into a badnik or not. It doesn't change the fact that the gimmick is there in the first place and counts as such.
>>385551919
No but the current boss music is still pretty good:
https://youtu.be/zSdCTS4QTNQ?t=154
>>385551919
They've already released something that'sbetter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW6TtXKVLYg
>>385551919
Eggman's Mania boss theme surpasses this IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J9h7SDC2Go
>>385551750
Just because a stage gimmick can disappear doesn't mean it' not a gimmick. Badniks have a track record of being zone exclusive.
In Mirage Saloon that big bottles of water that you can stand on and have the water launch out to make a path can only be used once. Are those not a gimmick?
>>385538321
>DAWN OF THE 17TH DAY
>408 HOURS REMAIN
Did something happen 17 days ago? Because otherwise that's not how that works.
Either say "dawn of the 17th-to-last day", which is redundant, or "dawn of the first day", which it kind of isn't.
>>385552092
I like it a lot, even agree that its better than the CD boss track which is also great.
BUUUT.
I miss the somewhat industrial (not the actual genre) and dire sound of Sonic 1's Eggman theme. So good.
Does Maina come out on the Switch at the same time as all other releases?
>>385552506
yes
>>385552506
Same date, but idk about the exact time. It depends on the platform.
>>385550981
>Sonic VR
Good shit.
>>385552506
Yes.
>>385552092
>>385552070
>>385552069
NANI?! HAS BEST THEME BEEN SURPASSED?
>>385552256
Autism.
I think this might be the real deal guys!
>>385538321
Look, I'm not in the mood of doing my shit pasta anymore. You see, I'm poir, like fucking poor, and I can't afford Mania even with its discount price on Steam. I'm too depressed to do that crap anymore. I'll just stop bothering everyone in these threads if someone gets me a copy of Mania. Promise.Rebeating Klonoa didn't help either
>>385552572
>>385552578
>>385552586
So glad it is. Thanks.
>>385552708
Okay. Post your steam account. I got a job right out of college and I have more money than I know what to deal with.
>>385552708
If you don't have 18 bucks, you should probably focus on improving your financial situation instead of videogames.
>>385552708
In all honesty, as someone with a somewhat disposable income, I'd have bought you Mania since it's cheap and the Mania team needs all the support it can get.
Post your steam account and I'll think about buying a namefag something.
>>385552669
No but this is!
>>385552812
It's new as fuck, that's why I have no games. I just want something to play Mania with.TomMcPoster. Don't ask, I know it's a bullshit name.[/spoiler
>>385552876
I'll buy it for him if you don't want to waste the money. But if you want to, go for it.
>>385552708
sent ;)
>>385552586
You can preorder it in the JP eshop but not the US.
>>385552424
Sonic 1's boss is menacing but goofy at the same time, which suits Eggman's character, but Sonic & Knuckles' miniboss theme is so much more intimidating, probably aided by the fact that the robots aren't piloted by Eggman.
Eggman's Mania theme manages to capture that feeling and then some. It's so fucking good
>>385552984
Well come online and add me so I can gift it to you, mate.
>>385553253
In a moment, I'm outside right now.
>>385551803
Flying Battery was originally a Sonic 3 stage, you fucking retard
>>385538321
>hyping this hard about a game you'll beat in ~2 hours
You're going to be disappointed even if its good. Best case scenario is you feel empty afterwards.
>>385538321
Why is Hydrocity the only good water level to ever be in a platformer?
>>385553502
but sonic games are replayable
You know if there are any other kind souls in this thread I also need a copy.
Rent has cleaned my savings out and my job is taking a bit to push through the paperwork so I can start. It has come down between bills & food or bills & sonic mania.
I'm willing to do stupid shit for it.Nothing sexual
>>385553435
All the stages were originally Sonic 3 stages
Guess S&K isn't getting repped because it technically doesn't exist
>>385553502
Like the originals (and especially 3&K) it's going to have a good amount of replayability due to all the different paths, different characters you can play as & some may not get all the Chaos Emeralds.
>>385553502
https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=8743
If its around the time of S3&K (as already stated,) it takes 4 hours.
That and replayability.
>>385538321
mfw they cancel Sonic Mania
So we talk a lot about zones we want to see in Mania, how about zones we never want to see used or given homage ever again?
>>385549738
>>385553435
>muh development positioning
you're out of luck, dumb wojakposting frogfucker, you already have flying battery instead of sky sucktuary
i bet you also think the hole leads to labyrinth zone because >programming order
>>385553502
What should I play then, a 60 hour gameplay and level design loop? Please. Short games are ideal.
>>385553686
Sandopolis Act 2 can fuck off.
If you don't plan to beat Sonic Mania with Sonic, Knuckles, AND Tails... just kill yourself now
>>385553686
Green fucking hill
>>385553781
Its annoying because Sandopolis 1 is my favourite area in S&K but everyone hates it because of act 2
Angel Island is the most underrated zone.
>>385553686
Labyrinth like you posted, Sandopolis since I find it dull & Wacky Workbench. Thankfully the only one I have to worry about it seems so far is Labyrinth since there's no dedicated water zone yet.
>>385553502
>Sonic games aren't long
STOP THE PRESSES
>>385553945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3hnZCL5IbE
Ever listen to the ATS cover of AIZ's theme? That bass, son.
>>385553014
I wouldn't consider gifting someone a game they're incredibly hyped for but genuinely can't afford it a waste. My life is pretty empty outside of video games anyway so sharing the fun is an easy way to get enjoyment from my shitty job.
>>385553606
Post your steam ID, I'll add you but I won't be able to gift the game just yet.
>>385553686
>Not wanting them to reference Labyrinth
I don't get this mentality. Marble, Labyrinth, Marble Garden, Wacky Workbench, Sandopolis and so on might be widely considered to be shitty zones but they're all pretty appealing visually and musically. If anything I wish they'd put more of the black-sheep and unpopular stages in Mania (or Mania 2?) so they can have a chance at redemption
Like, yeah, Labyrinth is shitty to play through but are you honestly telling me you don't think the music is ace?
>>385550916
Wait why the fuck have I never heard of this
It was funny when they named that protein sonic hedgehog, but there's been a known link between it and autism? I must have missed /v/ on that day
>>385553781
Pleb.
>>385554081
Literally in the same position as you. I get paid well but I hate my job. I'm a business proposal coordinator. It sucks ass.
>>385549651
I love HillTop. Music is absolutely kino.
Still I would be buttblasted to get that over Mystic Cave. But I rather have HillTop over something like Shit Ocean, I'd lose respect in Taxman for that if that level appears again. They should know better it's a shit zone when Sonic 4 thought it was a good idea to bring in back.
>>385554081
steam id deathgripssan
>>385554098
they also named its inhibitor like robotnikin or something
>>385554176
Excuse me?
>>385540294
Sonic 2 Sonic
>Eyes are lifeless
>No mouth
>Noodle arms
>Shoes are too long and flat, imagine what his feet would have to be shaped like to fit in there, its kinda creepy
Sonic 3 Sonic
>Stupid smile
>Short little arms
>Gigantic hands
>Clown shoes
I wish Mania's sprites were a best of both worlds approach, instead of Sonic 2 only cyan
>>385554205
Nah, you aren't in the same position. I get paid just above minimum wage but still live with the parents so I don't worry about rent, although I do take care of groceries and certain bills when they slip past them.
>>385554098
There was a huge kerfuffle in the scientific community when that guy named it that.
And then later on it was found to be linked to autism. It was fucking poetry.
THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO BE INFINITE
>>385550916
Can we ban newfags please? How many times are people from this site going to tell you faggots 4chan is the home for autistic neets that will never have proper social interaction skills? Of course Sonic is going to be the king of discussion here. Hell it's surprising Sonic didn't get a containment board like the rainbow horse show did.
>>385554675
KEEP FORCES OUT OF THIS THREAD
>>385552070
>>385552069
oh boy i just realized that eggdaddy, hbh, minibosses and probably some other villains like metal sonic will have separate themes
>>385551413
>unironically using rage comics in 2017
holy fucking shit
>forces and mania are released
>despite manias better ratings forces outsells it by far
>sega takes this as the fans not wanting anymore classic sonic
>taxman and stealth are fired
>sonic adventure 3:turbo edge edition is released next year
>another classic sonic game is never made
What would be your reaction?
>>385554323
But you're wrong. Sonic 2 Sonic:
>Eyes full of determination.
>Knows when to keep his mouth shut. It appears when there's something to express.
>Arms are just fucking fine.
>So are the damn shoes.
We see eye to eye on the 3 sprite though.
Mania
>Eyes given a bit of a highlight like 3 tried to do without muddying the whole affair up.
>Adds even more expressions like the one from the concept art when he looks up.
>Arms are good as ever and the hands are slightly larger without being retard hyueg like 3's.
It is the best of both worlds.
>>385551032
>>385551174
>>385554098
>>385554792
>Relationship between Sonic hedgehog protein, brain-derived neurotrophic factor and oxidative stress in autism spectrum disorders.
>falling for such obvious bait
>>385553306
Well, done. I accepted you.
>>385554992
Just because Forces outsells Mania doesn't mean they won't make more 2D games if Mania sells well
>>385554910
>rage comics
that was made on /v/ in 2005 newfag, lurk moar
>>385552708
Youre not the tomposter, youre an imposter!
Sonic Mania is going to be a bad game and Tee Lopes is a mediocre musician
>>385555121
Sent.
>>385555121
>tomposter in every mania thread for the past few weeks
>sad about being poor
>finally gets gifted mania
This is like curing a dragon's toothache
>>385555236
I see what you're doing there, very funny, Anon.
>>385553509
Because they give you the means to go fast through it.
>>385551993
>It doesn't change the fact that the gimmick is there in the first place and counts as such.
No it doesnt. Badniks do not displace stage gimmicks.
>>385552098
>Just because a stage gimmick can disappear doesn't mean it' not a gimmick. Badniks have a track record of being zone exclusive.
Badniks are not stage gimmicks and the second statement while true has nothing to do with anything.
But the actual interesting part about this is because a badnik bouncing you and a setpiece bouncing you are not competing elements. It's actually possible that a badnik freezes you in the new stage, and ice cap could still be in because a stage hazard freezes you.
I just doubt it because it looks like one of the acts of the new stage is a snow trope. I've heard the argument that it's an illustration of an ice cap stage transition, but why would they draw that as concept art? Also they've teased a sprite that might just be a replacement for the snowboarding section.
>>385555236
>>385555384
But Aquatic Ruin is faster. Its high path has no water and is over in a minute.
>>385555286
You just made my day, thank you so fucking much. This cured my depressionslightly,. Well, a promise is a promise, won't come back here never again. Best wishes anon.
I still think of the Klonoa ending
>>385555236
How original.
>>385550325
>>385550167
I have improved your design, what do you think?
>>385555464
I feel like I just completed a side quest.
You're welcome, tomposter.
>>385555421
>No it doesnt. Badniks do not displace stage gimmicks.
The guy you replied to didn't say it displaced. It said it counted as a gimmick. There are bumper badniks in Casino Night and there are bumpers. Two {(2)dos} bumpers!
>>385555460
Aquatic Ruin is boring though.
With 2 and a half weeks to go, reckon much else will even get revealed?
>>385555676
No you are!
>>385555103
>bait
I found his whole tackle box
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Al-Ayadhi%20LY%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=21984201
>>385555790
Probably not much else. Maybe another song.
>>385542912
I wonder if it'll reference this unused intro to Angel Island.
>>385553509
>You actually go fast
>You run over water
>Tons of corkscrews going up & down& all around
>You get blasted out of walls & grounds
>Bubble Shields to protect you from drowning & not having to wait for bubbles to pop up for air
>Multiple paths
>Fun enemies
>Other smaller mechanics like fans, the speed up chargers & spinning platforms that move are also neat
>Kick ass music that gets more hype when you get into the next act
I'll suck this zone's dick any time of the week.
>>385554584
>The gene has been linked to a condition known as holoprosencephaly, which can result in severe brain, skull and facial defects, causing some clinicians and scientists[who?] to criticize the name on grounds of it sounding too frivolous. They point to a less humorous situation where patients or parents of patients with a serious disorder are told that they or their child "have a mutation in their sonic hedgehog".[11][76][77]
>>385555834
>found information publicly available on a government website that was already linked in the thread
>>385555202
This is one of those moments where I need to use my tripcode to prove my legitness.
>tfw a Chaotix level won't get redeemed by getting MANIA'd
it hurts boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFMvtH0R_Ns
>>385555994
There might be some other good bait in there
>>385555839
>Sonic wakeboarding freehand to another zone
PLEASE
>>385555809
In fact, Sonic 2's level design doesn't become interesting until Mystic Cave Zone.
>>385556094
how is it bait when they are peer-reviewed articles on the US national library of health and medicine? it's 100% fact
>>385556145
I'll gut you like a fucking fish!
>>385555581
>The guy you replied to didn't say it displaced.
I know, but that's what matters because that's the whole point of the conversation
>It said it counted as a gimmick.
Gimmick has a very specific meaning because that's how we rule out stages returning
>There are bumper badniks in Casino Night and there are bumpers. Two {(2)dos} bumpers!
Obvious and useless observation when we're talking about unique zone gimmicks
>>385556183
>how is it bait when they are peer-reviewed articles on the US national library of health and medicine? it's 100% fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
>>385556505
>The distinctive quality of sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflection
>SPOKEN WORD
here pal, you dropped something
Hazy maze craze.
>>385552708
this is bullshit this nigger was on another sonic mania thread.
post act layouts
>>385556574
>Lollygagging your way out of caught being socially retarded
I really don't care anon
>>385538321
>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yet
Chaotix level and playable Chaotix.
>>385556839
>>385555464
Y-you could still stop by every once in a while if you want, Tomposter.
>>385556835
I'm not fake for fuck's sake.
"Daily reminder that if you hate Tee's creations that instantly transforms you into a contrariam faggot"
Only I know my own retarded pastas.
Labyrinth zone is better than hydro-cuck-city and let me tell you babies why. First off just because you can go faster in hydrocity doesn't make it better. It is handing out speed for free just like sonic 4 and it is dumb and unfun. Labyrinth zone actually takes skill. Second off the obstacles in hydrocity are dumb. Spinning cylinders that roll you into spikes? Really? Labyrinth zone has real platforming. Also you are a fucking baby if you drown in labyrinth zone. It is easy to casually pick up a bubble and the dispensers are everywhere. The bubble shield takes away any of the fun or charm away from the mechanic in hydrocity.
>>385547136
There are some out there. Sonic 3 Master Edition
>>385548295
Play the Master System ones. They have a much wider camera making them more fun and accessible.
Reminder that Iizuka is only allowing the perfect sonic game to happen so he can tumble it all down on release day
>>385556903
why are you replying if you don't care?
>>385556839
Good times when I "broke" this level by using tails and flying off screen past the boss.
>>385557657
You seemed embarrassed and I felt guilty
>>385558063
Embarrassed about calling out an ESL plebeian who doesn't know what sarcasm means? Sure thing, sport.
>>385548295
As >>385557310 said, the SMS ones are more tolerable in a wider screen.
>>385558114
>Sure thing, sport.
So you are embarrased
>>385557549
I honestly don't see what's so bad about the pic in question. At WORST, there will be a post-credits sequence that shows Mania Sonic getting sucked into a time portal or something. It's not like they're actually going to put Infinite into Sonic Mania
>>385557005
Fucking Sexy
>>385558114
>>385558393
hey you two: shut the fuck up already
>>385558659
>I honestly don't see what's so bad about the pic in question.
Should I just stop interacting with the sonic fan base? The rewards for it so far have been absolutely nothing
>>385558393
continuing to post on any 4chan board, in any thread, in any capacity is an acknowledgment that U MAD :^)
>>385558798
what do you mean, the rewards?
All I'm saying is that if they put in a 10-second tie-in to Forces at the end of Mania, it won't ruin the game. It'll be kinda tacky but a good game is still a good game.
>>385558683
>He doesn't know how to use colons
>>385558886
No, I don't want a single cancer cell in this game, thanks
>>385558901
You're allowed to use a colon to follow a salutation you unbelievable nigger. Educate yourself before you speak.
>>385558901
But that was used after a salutation just fine.
>>385559216
>>385559238
hey you two: shut the fuck up already
>>385559342
>He knows how to use colons
>>385559216
>>385559238
>for business letter salutations and in formal letter writing.
And which businesses will you be mailing your posts to?
>>385546523
have her play like in the advance games. slightly slower, lower jump, but has a high jump with the hamme. hammer attack, cant spindash. all that jazz.
>>385559515
Fuck off: nigger
>>385559619
>Two buttons instead of one
Goes against the ethos of classic Sonic. Back to the drawing board with that one
>>385559515
Talk to anybody like that again and I'll really show you how you use your colon.
2D sonic sucks
>>385559741
>two buttons
i dunno. it could be done with one. IIRC when she is running at full speed is how she gets the high jump with the hammer. and the hammer in the air could work just like the insta shield.
>>385559857
immunity cat, bitches
Guys, I want to play Sonic 3 Complete, what's the best Genesis emulator for the job?
>>385559857
Nobody else reply to this post. I'll take the hit for you guys
>>385560023
kega fusion does the job for me
>>385560023
Kega fusion
>>385555526
>>385560023
KGen
>>385547062
Presumably not, hopefully they've figured out that the internal tick rate shouldn't be locked to the framerate.
>>385560369
>hopefully they've figured out that the internal tick rate shouldn't be locked to the framerate.
Why would that matter
>>385547347
>seamless continuation of the game and it's story
You mean the other half of Sonic 3 that you were supposed to get by paying for Sonic 3?
>>385560534
>Why would that matter
>>385560802
You shouldn't answer questions you don't know anything about
>>385560534
NTSC and PAL have different framerates. PAL runs at 50Hz and NTSC runs at 60. The drowning timer, for example, says that after a specific number of ticks you drown. There are 60 ticks in one second of NTSC Sonic, but only 50 ticks in one second of PAL Sonic so you actually have more seconds to breathe underwater in Europe.
Only updating the game engine 50 times every second makes the game 5/6th the speed of American Sonic, which updates 60 times a second.
The fix is to have one internal tickrate that the game engine runs at which is not tied to the refresh rate of the display. Then you can process the game at the same speed everywhere, but display it at the right refresh rate for the different displays.
>>385560897
lol. you really cant think of why input and actions shouldnt be tied to a frame rate in a game about going fast
>>385554250
The zone is synonymous with Robotnik's love of pollution, so I can see why they put that level in games. It's not the most fun level design, but I like the music and theme of it.
>>385538506
Aww, I love Aquatic Ruin Zone.
It felt nice and easy after the hell that is the chemical plant boss and rising water.
I'm terrified of drowning
Sonic 3D > Mario 3D
Mario 2D > Sonic 2D
>>385561310
This except literally the exact opposite. 3D Sonic is awful.
>>385561047
What does this have to do with sonic mania?
>>385561367
No go fuck yourself
>>385559402
WHY AM I TURNED ON?
>>385561310
>Sonic 3D > Mario 3D
As a Sonic fan this is wrong
>>385561367
As a Sonic fan this is also wrong. 3D Sonic is just okay.
>>385538321
>Favorite Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-OGGxJPlU0
>>385561381
well...besides itll be coming to consoles and thus likely suffer from the same issues, unless...
>>385561424
Adventure isn't the only Sonic game you subhuman nigger. Just accept the fact 3D Sonic is not that good.
As a kid I always headcannoned that Robotnik was just an average human industrializing shit like we all do and Sonic was just an animal fighting back. Like all the cities in the background. I didn't take it that Robotnik ruled or oppressed anyone there, just that they existed. Far off and unaffected by this private war waged by an angry rat and like, their world's version of a construction worker.
Well, in the first game at least. Sometimes I kind of wish I was less wrong about it all though. The idea that Robotnik is a bad guy for everyone on the planet and really bad at his job like every other 80s cartoon villain just feels less interesting than what child me was cooking up in my head.
>>385561549
No
>As of the eighth generation, consoles such as the Wii U, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One have all games exclusively in 60 Hz, with 50 Hz only being used for video playback and, in the Wii U's case, backwards compatibility with Wii and Virtual Console games.
50hz is an ancient problem for the PAL region and using deltatime has nothing to do with correcting a problem that no longer exists
>>385561557
I wish it was the only 3D game because its the only good one
>>385561716
neat, thats nice to know. however, theres still a problem. if it IS locked to framerate, then the consoles will dictate the pc`s locked frame rate.
>>385561310
Mario 3D > Sonic 3D
Mario 2D = Sonic 2D
This is indisputable
>>385561910
Agreed.
>>385561310
Other way around, dipshit.
>>385561819
I've heard the framerate is locked to 60 but I don't know if anyone has asked taxman directly. I wish framerate was unlocked on the PC version because 144hz would be cash
>>385561910
2D Sonic is better than Mario
>Favorite zone
Lava Reef
>Favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv2Dj19WFic
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
Lava Reef
Hydrocity
Tidal Tempest
>Zones you don't want to see
Labyrinth
Marble Garden
Casino Night
Metropolis
Quartz Quadrant
>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
Myself
>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yet
Unique final boss and animated ending depending on if you collected all the chaos emeralds or not, and not just for Sonic, but for all 3 characters.
>>385561910
I'll drink to that.
>>385561910
Only on the grounds that I happen to like 2D Sonic more than 2D Mario, but this is sound.
>>385562142
>Tidal Tempest Present
Aw y-
>US
Every time. I will never find a man of integrity just like me.
im gay for cybershell
>>385562074
2D Sonic has:
>Better bosses
>Better music
>Better minimalistic storytelling (in 3&K at least)
>Multiple Endings
>Multiple Playable Characters
>Super forms
>Multiplayer (Versus and co-op)
>Cheats
>Better variety (Special and Bonus stages)
>More replayable
>Rewards skill better
But okay, sure I guess they're "equal". Whatever you say anon.
>>385562370
Only cybershell and those who have never heard of him aren't.
>>385562319
>prefers the JP version
>>385562319
If it makes you feel any better, Tidal Tempest JP also ranks high for me. It's also the only level track I prefer with US to JP. Tidal Tempest US is just...too fucking good to me though, I love that track.
>>385562592
>>385562589
>>385562319
Its actually pretty weak, sorry.
>>385562959
You don't know shit, sorry.I may agree that Wacky Workbench is better in the US version though. Not too sure
>>385562430
2D Mario has more and better levels (everyone knows which zones suck, but most Mario levels are liked or at least not hated), as well as secrets (warp zones, hidden items, secret exits that lead to even more levels) that keep you playing for a lot longer. In the time it takes to beat every level without skipping any in SMB3 or SMW you could beat S3&K several times over.
They are different games, equal only in the sense that both are good. Console wars a shit.
>>385563072
>the electric snare that kicks in at the end of WW JP Present
Godly as the US vocals are, JP is better to me.
>>385563076
>In the time it takes to beat every level without skipping any in SMB3 or SMW you could beat S3&K several times over.
That's the fucking point. The Sonic games were structured by an arcade mentality of replaying the game to become better at it and get a more fulfilling experience, something that Sega always tended to let inform their games back in the day and still do to an extent. This leads a lot of people to say it has bad game design when the fact is they're just bad at the game. Once you beat a Mario game there's basically no reason to play it again. When I beat a Sonic game I immediately want to play it again as a different character with different abilities on a different route, because the levels in Sonic are so much more dense that it's literally impossible to see all of the game's content without doing a couple playthroughs.
>>385563076
>2D Mario has more and better levels
Most mario levels are seriously forgettable
>>385563072
US version of WW is better, yes. But TT JP sucks pure anus.
>>385538321
>Favorite zone
Hydrocity Zone
>Favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLaaOSaOY8
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
Hydrocity Zone
Lava Reef
Aquatic Ruin or Mystic Cave
>Zones you don't want to see
Wacky Workbench
Sandopolis
Labyrinth
>Which recurring autist in these threads you hate the most
Anyone not wanting Hydrocity Zone.
>Other shit you want to see in the game that they haven't announced yet
I know Super Emeralds are out but I'm so wanting Hyper Sonic's abilities in some way, also for Tails & Knuckles to have Super/Hyper abilities as well. For the intro while it'll probably be something from Hyper Potions or something, but I want the music to be like You Can Do Anything. After hearing Mirage Saloon Act.2's Genesis version from Tee Lopes I want a 16-bit/Genesis option for all the music. Also this Fun is Infinite fucker better be hidden in the game.
>>385563291
Aside from the fact that I get the urge to replay 2D Mario a lot...this desu. The arcade mentality thing is something that not a lot of people tangibly grasp but it really is the reason for the divide. People that favor replaying a game I think gravitate to Sonic more, or at least 2D Sonic.
>>385562430
>Better bosses
This is true
>Better music
also true
>Better minimalistic storytelling
That's a matter of opinion. Yoshi's Island did this masterfully. The story wasn't intrusive, it was just enough to give us a good idea of what the plot is
>Multiple endings
This is true
>Multiple playable characters
Mario has had this since Super Mario Bros 2 anon. Did you completely forget that game existed or what?
>Super forms
This is nice, but then they don't call Mario "Super" Mario for no reason. One of the first powerups you get is literally called a super mushroom, making him Super Mario.
>Cheats
Anon, most games in that day and age had cheats, even Mario. This doesn't really count for much. Gradius had cheats, Zombies Ate my Neighbors had cheats,
>Better variety (special and bonus stages)
There are special stages in games like Super Mario World and Yoshi's Island
>More replayable
Debatable
>Rewards skill better
Again, debatable. You get points in Mario games as well as Sonic for pulling off some neat tricks, like twirl jumping on multiple enemies at once for example, or finishing at a certain time.
>But okay, sure I guess they're "equal". Whatever you say anon.
I'm sorry, but I'm just not convinced by your arguments that 2D Sonic is definitively better than 2D Mario. Both offer some very rich albeit different experiences in regards to platforming.
>Sonic Mania shaping up to be one of the best Sonic games.
>Sonic Forces shaping up to be one of the worst.
It's like poetry, it's fast.
>>385563552
>Sonic Forces shaping up to be one of the worst.
I don't think Forces looks good but...I do think that's a bold statement. Sonic has had some real fucking trash, and I think Forces at least looks like something playable.
>>385563532
>Mario has had this since Super Mario Bros 2 anon
Then why isn't it SMB3 or SMW? Oh, you mean that "multiplayer" where you take turns and Luigi is just a palette swap?
>>385563660
yeah it's hard to top
>Sonic 06
>Sonic Boom rise of lyric or whatever the wiiu one is called
>Sonic RPG
>Shadow the hedgehog
Sonic forces will be passable but will have it fair share of dumb shit
>>385563532
God I hope this post is bait.
>>385563860
You got the Boom title correct. As for Forces, it's definitely going to be an average Sonic game, neither good or bad. better than lost world for sure
>>385563532
Did you really just try and compare the mushroom with fucking super forms?
>>385563532
>Anon, most games in that day and age had cheats, even Mario
Mario doesn't have cheats you fucking retard. Warp zones and magic flutes aren't cheats. As soon as I boot up Sonic I can access level select, debug mode, unlock super sonic, etc. The fact Sonic has this basic feature of the era and Mario doesn't is a point in Sonic's favor.
>>385559857
Please don't kill me
>>385544013
Explain what's wrong with it.
How is Before/After the Sequel and Time Twisted compared to Mania?
>>385563532
>Debatable
>Again, debatable
Not really. Read >>385563291 and look at some level maps dude.
>>385564295
Again, this debatable. In Super Mario World, a big incentive to replay was to find as many secrets as possible, hidden in many different levels. There were even multiple paths in stages leading to secrets.
>>385564287
Can't tell you. Haven't played Mania
Although. They are free.
>>385553509
The water level in Ristar is good.
>>385553509
Modern Rayman and Donkey Kong Country had some good ones. So did Shovel Knight.
They're infrequent, but there.
>>385564042
It does. In fact in Super Mario Land 2 there's a cheat you can access from the very beginning. It changes your entire game to an easy mode. I forgot the input but I remember reading about it in a cheat magazine I got back in the day. For Super Mario Land, there's a demo code you in can input.
Hell there are even level select codes and the like in certain Mario games. Again, cheat codes weren't unheard of back in the day. I agree that Sonic has a more robust selection, but to claim 2D Mario never had any is false.
>>385564287
Mania completely shits on all of those.
>>385564953
I never said no 2D Mario game had cheats, but when people compare Sonic to Mario they're almost always exclusively talking about comparing the main series games unless otherwise specified. Mario definitely had better handheld games, that's for sure, but as far as comparing S3&K to SMB3 and/or SMW it's no contest: S3&K is superior to both.
>>385563660
It looks like 06 with Boom gameplay inspiration and Wisps.
That's some bad shit.
>>385563532
>This is nice, but then they don't call Mario "Super" Mario for no reason. One of the first powerups you get is literally called a super mushroom, making him Super Mario.
I'm more of a Mario fan honestly but come on dude, the Super forms in Sonic are nothing like the Super Mushroom in Mario, they just makes Mario have a larger hit box & get a extra hit, those are comparable to Rings if anything. Also if you want to compare the Super forms to something in Mario then it'd be Invincibility Leaf in 3D Land/World since it gives you Invincibility & extra abilities from the normal Leaf & Tanooki Suit with the statue ability which is similar to the Super forms in Sonic since those give invincibility, higher speeds & offer a new way to control the character (as in Hyper Sonic has that flash that propels him in any 8 directions, Tails gets Flickies & Knuckles can slam hard into walls to destroy badniks around him). I would like to note that fucking Invincibility Leaf isn't a reward though unlike the Super forms since you only get it if you play bad enough which I personally find to be a negative.
>>385565489
It looks like a shitty version of Generations and Colors to me. I mean, that's still not good, but i'd consider it a step up from 06, Secret Rings, or Boom.
>>385565489
>Boom gameplay inspiration
I don't think this is true as appealing as the "Boom Sonic in Forces" meme is. The grappling hook is just there to provide a means to allow the Avatar to homing attack using "technology" rather than their innate abilities.
The actual grappling seems like an afterthought.
>>385564287
BTS and ATS have better soundtracks than mania so far (especially ATS) but aside from that, they're shit compared to Mania
>>385566640
>BTS and ATS have better soundtracks than mania
>>385566843
don't get me wrong, mania's ost is also fantastic, but we've only heard like 6 songs
will sonic mania be TASable?
Thanks to whoever it was that linked that BetterSADX stuff in yesterday's thread, not only did I finally remembered to try that game out since I have it on Steam, I can play it content that it's actually somewhat close to the Dreamcast version (I was not aware how much changed in the DX version).The reason I quit the game long enough to post this is because I need to close other running programs/apps and take another look at those graphics settings. Having a choppy framerate on the Chaos 0 fight and Emerald Coast does not bode well considering the game is originally from the 90s.
>he won't get the perfect bonus his first time through green hill zone act I in mania
>>385567334
>implying you will
good luck
>>385567051
No. TAS include using savestates and slowdowns.
What are some good Sonic rom hacks you all recommend to play that aren't these? I need something to hold me over from the Mania wait.
>>385545090
Such a great theme wasted on something so little
>>385568530
Yoshi in Sonic 2 is insane.
>>385568530
Metal Sonic Hyperdrive
>>385568530
Tohaka and Sonic: The Next Level
How Taxman and Stealth feels about Amy?
this game is never coming out is it? just like we will never get the new rick and morty season and we will never see a day where you can walk into a store with 299 dolllars plus tax and walk out with a switch
>>385569857
WHO?
Are you referring to Rosy the Rascal?
>>385559857
oh no
>>385569967
A little over 2 weeks until we get Mania, Anon, just a little over 2 weeks.Also tomorrow Rick & Morty gets the new season.
>>385570243
but what about a switch?
>>385570339
Ask Reggie about that.
>>385568875
Right? The music and the visuals for CG worked so well. I've always wanted to see it and some of the other Sonic 3 time attack stages get turned into full stages. Maybe next time...
Come on bros, mania is fun
>Get to Scrap Brain zone
>Decent level
>Act 3
>Oh, what's that, you loved Labyrinth zone? You can do it again except in purple, no need to thank me!
Who's the faggot who thought this was a good idea
>>385569976
WHO?
>>385559857
oh no
>>385559857
ass
>>385570985
>he doesn't know about the shortcut
>>385559857
"oh no"
-knuckles
>>385570908
I don't need to collect EVERY ring I see.
>>385571072
Rosy the rascal from Sonic CD
>>385571645
post second demo shitposter
>>385571578
doesn't ring a bell
>>385571578
You mean Princess Sally?
>>385570985
At least it's easy & fast.
>you'll never be married to Blaze.
>>385565227
I wouldn't say so. There are some qualities to Sonic 3 & Knuckles that are superior to Super Mario World, but there's no clear victor, and I say this as someone who favors Sonic over Mario.
>>385555460
>Aquatic Ruin's upper path has no water
If you have to ignore the water for it to be good, it isn't a good water level.
>>385572964
Hydrocity through the upper paths also ignores the water aside from when you go down there through the ramp thing that immediatly launches you up off the water, almost an automated sequence
>>385564953
Press Select on the File Select to toggle Easy Mode.
>>385573125
You can ignore the water, but the water areas are still fun, the conveyor belts and the bubble shield stop it from being a slog like the water areas in aquatic ruin.
>>385573331
That simple huh. Why did I remember pushing down? Weird
CHEMICAL PLANT ZONE IS SHIT
>>385574937
>mesh clouds
>>385572964
>If you have to ignore the water for it to be good, it isn't a good water level.
I was responding to the implied reasoning in the post I replied to. Hydrocity "can go fast" because the high route has no water.
And please
>>385573443
No. Hydrocity's water is just as annoying as any other segment of water anywhere else. The conveyors are not any more fun than the variable spring platforms in Aquatic Ruin. Also Aquatic Ruin's water segments are far shorter than Hydrocity's if you want to get into what a "slog" is.
The lower paths are punishments for poor performance in both levels. Hydrocity rewards with fun loops and stage gimmicks on the high path while Aquatic Ruin's high path is more platforming and badnik dodging heavy - the reward being how fast the zone can be blazed through.
Both are great levels equally deserving of tender ball massages as their cocks are sucked.
>>385575310
Just for future vocabulary's sake that cloud's mesh is called dithering.
>>385575639
I'll continue to use mesh
>>385575759
Welp. Knowing is only half the battle after all. Carry on soldier.
>>385575918
Honestly I call it mesh because more people know what that means instead of dithering
>>385549439
>including the nigger sonic leaks
>>385576347
Why wouldn't I include it with the other leaks? I'm pretty hyped to play as Nigger Sonic in a couple weeks.
>>385576347
Man, I can't wait to play as him! I wonder what kind of abilities he'll have to stand out amongst the rest! Maybe he'll run faster than Sonic!
>>385549439
>>385576505
I too am excited to play Nigger Sonic alongside his friend Vector, whom is on on a quest to find god
>TFW literally never said ONE positive thing about Mania on /v/
>Shitpost it constantly and call it a romhack
>In reality, I'm super hyped for Mania and buying it forSwitchday 1
>>385576685
I like posting about HYDROCITYKEKS getting BTFObut it's my favorite Zone and I hope it's in the game
>>385572284
>>385571430
WHAT THE FUCK
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT THIS ENTIRE TIME, YOU COULD'VE SKIPPED THAT HORRIBLY DESIGNED PISSPOT OF A LEVEL AND BEAT IT IN 30 SECONDS
FUCKING CHRIST
>>385577109
You can bullshit it even more with this slope glitch & zip.
>>385577109
>Horribly designed
>Because anon was too stupid to git gud and beat it quickly
Sonic is slow and painful when you suck. Learn to explore.
>>385577406
That's some next level shit, bruhliterally
>>385577406
What are the specifics of this?
>Favorite Zone
Flying Battery
>Favorite Song
>Marble Zone
>Classic ranking
1>3K>2>>>CD
>the best genesis emulator is stuck behind libretro shit
Oh well, fusion is still pretty good
>>385577612
Not him but you're a fool if you think Labyrinth isn't inherently a slog of a level
>>385578189
Scrap Brain Act 3 is a well designed level because it has an intentionally built in short cut for people who can rub two brain cells together and ask the basic question "wait what's down there?"
Labyrinth Zone acts 1-3 are slogs because they lack this.
>>385578189
Not sure that I can argue it's not a "slog", but when you start a game of Sonic 1 you're signing up for Marble Zone and Labyrinth Zone. If you just want a game where you go fast all the time play Sonic 2 or something. When I play Sonic 1 I mentally prepare myself for a slower, more contemplative experience. But that's just me. It's not my favorite level but I find it tolerable.
>>385578362
>he doesn't know about the shortcut in act 1 of labyrinth zone
>>385569165
>In terms of level design, Tohaka has been constantly praised for its elegant and professional designs and the continuity and speed of the levels. People were especially pleased when they saw the result of a 7 month gap, in which no releases were made but lots of work went on behind the scenes. The results astonished many, and at the time some even considered it to be the best modification ever made.
???
>>385578540
Jesus Christ
This is Sonic 4 levels of shit
>>385578540
>Sonic Maker.webm
Mania countdown: http://mania.charlez245.com/
>>385578362
>Labyrinth Zone acts 1-3 are slogs because they lack this.
Can't really say that about Act.1. I will say I don't find it fun or interesting still though.
>>385578540
>>385578740
>>385579015
Oh it's not done. Note that I get a continue after all that.
>>385579509
What happens if you press a button?
>>385579509
such fucking trash
>>385579398
>crashes the game
nice
>>385577406
>0:09
too slow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85k52CmI7lA
>>385579509
Jesus christ. This isn't the only "level" that's like this, right?
>>385579398
>that ending
you madman
>>385579509
>Sonic romhack community lacks so much quality control that shit like this is considered the best of the best
>>385579906
Chemical Plant 2 is the same as in Sonic 2 until you get past that water part and the two rotating platforms aren't there. I just gave up.
Emerald Hill was ok, but nothing special and there was one part where a loop led me into a bottomless pit. Other than that, whatever.
>>385578362
>>385579398
Oh right, I forgot Act.3 also has a shortcut.
>>385580070
I think the description from Sonic Retro was just a joke.I hope.
Explain why Sonic Tails Knuckles and Amy are always together in everything now, but Amy won't be in Mania.
>>385578740
Nah, if this was made by Dimps it would need a Dash Padâ„¢ for every loop in that webm, plus 5 extra Dash Padsâ„¢ in one stretch of land just for flavoring. Oh and you wouldn't be going nearly as fast either. Also that part where you cheaply get hit by the chemical bubbles is on the right track, there should have been a bottomless pit at the end.
>>385577406
>a bottomless pit IS at the end.
WELL, what do you know!
>>385546356
>as it was always intended?
Oh fuck off. If Sonic 3 had full development time half the S&K zones would not be there. It would be a 9 zone game, maximum. Sonic & Knuckles is it's own game, and half it's content was brand new to justify selling it as it's own game. S3&K is a bonus feature of S&K.
>>385580070
>Wanting quality control
>>385581960
The difference is that CrazySonic is a well-made, well thought out joke
Tohaka is serious, and not good at all
>Favorite Zone
Hydrocity
>Favorite Song
Hydrocity Act 2 or Flying Battery Act 2
>Classic Wishlist
Hydrocity, Mystic Cave,Chrome Gadget
>Classic Not-Wishlist
Marble Garden, Oil Ocean
>Who do you hate?
No need for that.
>Other shit you wanna see
How the zone order is gonna work and the other three new zones.
>robotnik succeeded in taking over green hill zone
Deepest lore
I hope we get some sort of free DLC somewhere along the lines that contains reworked levels from non-classic Sonic games given life as 2D stages like Mystic Mansion from Heroes and Dead Line Zone from Sonic Rush (I really like Dead Line's theme), or, heck, Planet Wisp.
I think something like that would be pretty interesting. Sort of a reverse-Generations.
>>385583172
I hope no DLC and they spent that time into making a sequel instead.
>>385581215
Because the devs aren't normal Sega employees, and everyone who isn't a Sega employee knows Amy is a fuckawful character.
>>385583946
Stop merging Classic Amy with Modern Amy.
>>385540093
I preferred the earlier version.
>>385584067
Literally the only thing classic Amy was good for was that one damage sprite where you can see her vagina.
>>385584248
Get out modern Amy waifufurfaggot.
>>385553826
What romhack is this
>>385581215
Because she works best as a very minor side character and when you force her into a main character role she's fucking awful. Of course Sonic Retro people would understand this.
>>385584878
Go read Sonic Mega Drive, see how Classic Amy can work great as a character, and don't show your face back here until you realize how based Tyson Hesse is. Now get out.
>>385584878
>very minor
>was the second part to the sonic CD story
dumb nigga
Will Mighty ever comes back?
>>385585029
I did, it was decently good and would have been better without Amy. Tyson Hesse didn't write it, in the Sonic comic he made Amy wasn't in it.
>>385585047
Story is a relatively minor aspect of Sonic. She makes Sonic CD better with her small role, if she was just a playable character or Sonic's friend it would have been boring.
>>385585161
>would have been better without Amy
How does she ruin any of it? She participates in the fights, has funny lines, and isn't overbearing with her crush on Sonic like her Modern counterpart.
>>385585247
For such a short comic, there would have been more room for interaction between Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles and more room to develop the settings and adventure. She's not bad in it but her contributions aren't good either unless you're already a fan of her.
>>385585029
>making Amy bigger than Sonic, when she's half his age and a head shorter than him
>making Tails as big as Sonic when he's half a head smaller than him, and making him light yellow for some reason
Whoever drew this is bad.
>>385585525
It's Mega Amy and Super Tails.
>>385585238
>more playstyles is boring
hmmmmm
>>385585798
For Sonic? Yeah it is, unless it's similar enough to do everything Sonic can do like Tails and Knuckles can. Sonic is built around a very distinct playstyle and very specific gameplay that is tested by varied and unique levels. It's not as simple as making very simple levels with very simple gameplay like Mario or Kirby, those kinds of games are suited to having various playstyles. If you make a bunch for Sonics the levels will just end up as boring messes like Knuckles' Chaotix.
Classic Amy is fucking ugly compared to modern Amy who is cute as heck
>>385586047
knuckles can't jump as high as sonic. Pretty boring, I don't know why they added him in mania
>>385586193
He can make any jump Sonic can, but it's more difficult.
For very slightly different flavors of Sonic. Tails for bad players, Knuckles for good players that can access shortcuts easier. They're not necessary but they're all you need for extra characters without making extra characters convoluted (amy) or redundant (cream).
>>385545109
Good taste overall. Maybe best taste in this thread. I would probably switch Angel Island and Mushroom Hill zone, or leave Mushroom Hill zone and promote Marble, which I think is one of the best zones in 1.
>>385581215
Because she doesn't curl into a ball form. That's like the primary function of Classic Sonic design.
>>385586193
I wonder if he has any alternate routes in the stages for Mania. Has there been any footage of it yet?
>>385586483
>have to literally cheat to do jumps like sonic can
Boring, just remove him and just have tails and sonic
>>385586545
That was Modern Amy.
>>385586556
Chuckles starts in a different location in Mirage Saloon Act 2 than Sonic/Tails.
>>385586182
She has Yamcha's color scheme from before he graduates from Kamesennin's training.
>>385586556
There has been but I don't have any one me, you start off in different locations if that's good enough for you (his starting location has actually changed a little, he's more inside the cave-like area).
>>385586604
>something that makes you play different while still being able to do literally anything Sonic can do
You can't stray from Sonic and you can't add anything different enough from Tails and Knuckles.
>>385586724
>(his starting location has actually changed a little, he's more inside the cave-like area).
Here's a webm of that actually.
>>385586604
So you're agreeing with him. Sonic is the only necessary character, and Tails and Knuckles are just optional fluff. They're nice fluff but anything more would be too fluffy.
>>385586556
Knuckles can break through some walls to access an exclusive route in Chemical Plant Act 2.
>>385587323
Agreed
>>385587383
Holy crap I haven't seen that yet. Got a link?
>>385587323
It's true. Knuckles and Tails are there just for two extra playthroughs so you play the game more after you finish it with Sonic.
>>385586649
>>385586724
>>385587383
That's good to know. Now I wonder how different these paths will be. What's different in Mirage Saloon besides just the starting point?
>>385587482
I forgot the video link. I think it's on some video with an interview.
>>385587598
Well it'll probably be like 3&K where he'll just take different routes through levels occasionally and fight maybe a different boss, or in Carnival Night's case a completely different zone layout.
>>385587660
Alright I'll look for it then, thanks a lot anon.
>>385587660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpenUFkUqHI
Found it. 14:52
>>385538321
>Favorite zone
Quartz Quadrent
>Favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_VHsD2aa7s
>Reimagined Classic zone wishlist
Spring Yard, Aquatic Ruin. Oil Ocean, Lava Reef, Hydro City. Scrap Brain
>Zones you don't want to see
Marble, Sandtroplis
Wasn't it shown that Manis's Acts are fucking massive?
>>385588405
They seem to be around the 3-4 minute length, which is pretty respectable IMO.
>>385588405
They're on-tier with Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
Honestly even if this game is just 12 zones with little to no double-dipping I'll be more than happy with it as long as the zones are as dense and fun as they seem to be.
>>385587939
That's amazing.
>>385583776
It would be the same thing in this case, anon.
>>385588576
I'm sure it'll be like 10 zones.
>>385588984
Even 10 "real" zones and 2 one-act zones like a Wing Fortress or Sky Sanctuary would make me happy. As long as the game is top notch throughout. I mean I do plan on playing it many, many times.
>>385589089
Sonic games have always been very replayable, I'm in the same boat.
>>385589089
I feel like it's gonna be hard to go back to Sonic 3 Complete after Mania. Someone's gonna have to make a widescreen hack for it.