>Some people couldn't afford Overwatch Pfffffffffffffffffft

the true irony is paladins is the better game

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>>385509547

>>385509547
it was until they brought essence in and made it so hard to earn

>>385508280
I'm jealous of those people. 60 eurobucks down the drain for a shitty TF2.

>>385508280
Overwatch costs 150 bucks here, I ain't paying that much for *quality blizzard balancing*.
>>385509621
But you get over 30k when you start playing, that buys a lot of cards, and it's not like there are many cards either.

Just from the fact that you can customize the character's build and change things during a match to better deal with an enemy makes it better than what overwatch has, because when you for example eliminate all items and personal experience from a moba game the inbalances between the characters get THAT much more apparent. That is something blizzard doesn't seem to get it.

>>385508280
If you wanted a Paladins thread, you could've just asked.

But then it would've only gotten 20 posts before dying because everyone who plays is on /vg/.

>>385510392
How do the bots compare to real people? I have been doing quite well on training but I haven't tried my luck on a real match yet.

>>385510513
The actual players play like retards anyway, so you don't have to worry about getting stomped all the time.

>>385510303
>that buys a lot of cards
You can't buy cards with gold anymore though.

>>385510303
>>385510629
oh wait, missed the other guy saying essence in the other post

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>>385510597
I actually get afraid whenever I don't pick a damage dealer because HOLY FUCK people can't aim for shit and my damage ends up getting higher than their Viktor as Fernando.

>>385510671
It gets better when higher ELO but you still occasionally run into retards.

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>>385510730
So, even QM has mmr in this as well?

>>385510905
Yes. In most games these days, unranked mode still has MMR.

>>385510303
maybe because I got most cards before the essence but I am swimming with pointless essence

also scorchnando is hilarious

>>385511001
But how is unranked if you actually are ranked. I can't be the only one that thinks this doesn't make sense.

>>385511051
I find his flamethrower really underwelming though, the damage is simply too low with the only positive side being the AoE effect.

The regenerative shield though is ridiculous. Too bad his HP got nerfed.

>>385511292
scorchnado lets you pump fireballs so quickly that the flamethrower becomes more of a secondary weapon. it's just hilarious

also Jenos is cool but man he sucks at survivability

>>385509547
It could be if it dropped certain gimmicks like the card system and mounts. The maps are also pretty shitty and the ults in this game make overwatchs ults look reasonably balanced.

>>385511494
The card system allow you to balance a character by yourself, you can change you build depending on the enemy team.

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>>385511494
The ultimates in this game are pretty balanced, since they either have an ample amount of windup, require coordination to make good use of, or are just harder to aim. Lex's is on e that may seem powerful, but it's not often you actually get multiple people at the threshold for a good ult.

>>385511494
The card system is what make this game better.
You can build your tank to be super tanky or you can build him to cause more damage.

Overbore is the same shit over and over and over.

Better than overwatch cause the team doesnt immediately bitch at you to switch heroes before the match even starts.

>>385511614
so reaper's shotguns have literally no spread now.. wtf

>>385511614
>Nimble 3 Lex

Lotsafun. It's so easy to scrub stomp in this game.

People still play these games? if i had to play one i'd go with paladins because i would rather not pay for a shit game

>>385512827
>people still play these games
you just have to look at the stats on steam only to already see thousands playing MOBAs
go back under your rock we have no idea how you got here

>>385512827
poorfag

>>385509547
balance is waaaaaaay worse and the game is way less polished. I swear when I play Paladins I feel like wherever I shot I hit something.

>playing any of these garbage games while Dirty Bomb exists and is free

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Paladins waifus >>> Overwatch waifus

>>385514454
This

>>385508280

How do people play this shit? Half the time the boring characters are screaming their lungs out because they got 1 point of damage, the other half it's taking 2 fucking years to kill anyone because nothing does any damage. The card system is stupid, just give me alternative guns and shit. Just fucking give me all the characters if it's free too.

I hate paladins. These aren't even all my complaints.

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>>385513041
>He thinks someone who doesn't play moba-garbage is going to be looking up steam stats randomly
>lol get out of here gramps XDD

Neck yourself and do us a favor

They're thr same fucking game just the textures are different

>>385514641
That piece of shit shouldn't be able to deal so much fucking damage as a support, poor pip.

>>385514641

Paragon >>>> both

more games need vampire bitches

>>385514902
>I have no idea how popular is a game, I could know by clicking 2 buttons but let me shitpost
stop breathing, it's not worth it

>>385510905
That guy's YouTube stuff was way better before he showed his dumb face

>>385511614
>Brags in VGS while playing overpowered broken garbage

Actual scum.

>>385511292
Nando is really good recently with his fireball and can just flank enemy backline.

>>385516369
Well that basically means he doesn't really fill up the role of a tank right? Besides the annoying gauntlet grandpa which other character is a good tank?

>>385516538
certain supports work as tanks

>>385516289
Lex isn't overpowered. He is just a shittier androxus.

>>385516920
Who besides the lumberjack tree?

>>385516538
He can still tank, but dive in to their backline is just too fun to pass.

>>385517009
>sniper tree
>tank

it's blue orc

>>385517110
>best dps with area heal
>tank
He's clearly soldier 76

Did Pip get reclassified as a flank yet?

>>385508280
>pay for a game
>still have microtransaction loot crates showed in your face
Look at this mad overcuck

>>385517110
Don't we take into account the huge HP of certain characters when considering who's a "tank"? The blueberry guy's HP isn't that high.

>>385517353
it's more on how they can last from absorbing damage until help arrives

lightning thrall has mediocre hp but has good heals and invul state

>>385517450
But that doesn't tank much damage, just staying alive won't divert the enemy firepower's from your teammates to you specifically. On the orc's case it's even worse because the shot's go straight through you.

Is there a gamemode where more than one player can play as the same character? Similar to overwatch arcade modes?

>>385517806
>wanting multiple ice lolis

>>385517353
He has the highest HP among the support class tho.

>>385514641
Oh wow, a generic MMO character.

>>385517656
he gets nice survivability and his attacks are actually good for forcing enemies to attack him

Barik is good tank for sustain especially with the turret legendary and turret healing you

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>>385517959
>not wanting some crazy fun

>>385508280
Or I could play Team Fortress 2 instead.

>>385517956
oh hey Widowmaker

>>385518287
found the faggot
and I'm not saying it in a bad way, why do games need female characters anyways

>>385518316
Widowmaker except actually worth playing in her game.

>>385518393
I don't play videogames for their characters, even less a fucking multiplayer game.

>>385516289
>Lex
>overpowered
He has absolutely no aerial mobility and his ultimate requires the enemy to already be weakened a decent amount in order for it to even kill anything. Not to mention that he basically has only 2 skills and one passive because his third ability might as well not exist.

>>385518413
I bet she is, and some people would probably agree with you if they had Paladins installed but..

>>385518217
It's all giggle and shit untill all 6 of them teleport behind you

>>385518485
So you're not playing the unironically renamed "hat simulator" game for characters appearances/cosmetics?
You're one of a kind, and again, no offense.

>>385518512
Fuck off, Hi-rez

>>385518597
No, playing for cosmetics is as retarded as playing for their characters.
I play it because it's decently balanced, fun and has plenty of mods, things that neither Overwatch and Paladins have nor will ever have because they are developed by talentless hacks who have no idea about videogames.

>>385518658
That's exactly what I'm saying, you sir are one of a kind.

>>385508280
Palacuckolds, just because we hate Overwatch doesn't mean you are welcome.
You are just the slightly deformed brother of OW.

>>385518487
do people even use his bounty system

>>385518592
>6 mirror girls
>all those illusions
Sounds fun senpai, I don't know why you hate fun.

>>385518487
>third ability is a literal wall hack
>have card that give 10-40% life steal to go with it
>extra credit if you killed them
Hmmmm

>>385518745
yeah but I said ice lolis, not mirror slut

>>385513998
fuck off Blizzfag, i have plenty of other games i'd rather spend my $60 than an overpriced tf2 clone

>>385518778
You could play literally any other flank and do fine without such pointless additions though. The wallhack is good, but it's not like it shows the enemies around them or their health either.

>>385518778
>wall hack

que

literally hiding into a room is one of the best ways avoiding Pursuit

>>385518884
>>385518898
He's anti flank. Just use it to shut down flank and slippery target before flanking the enemy

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>>385514641
I agree, but it's mostly because I dig the medieval/fantasy aesthetic far more than I do the Sci-fi aesthetic where people are wearing superhero costumes and special space armor.

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>>385518413
>Kinessa
>actually worth playing
She's a prime qt and all, but fuck no.

>>385519481
On maps like Frozen Guard or Fish Market a good Kinessa can be devastating. Compare that to Widowmaker where she's just a gimmick for trying to crack open the starting point and then you switch.

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>>385509547
unironically this

i got bored of overwatch, returned to paladins and had a blast

>>385511494
actually the card system is great, it allowed you to customize your hero depending on what you need, not a big fan of not being able to chance heroes or loadouts midgame tough

>>385511673
What a load of crock, you always take the 1 loadout that's good and getting even the shitty loadouts takes an ungodly amount of essence.

so rate Zhin, Lian and Jenos

>>385521270
Jenos>Lian>>>>>Zhin

>>385521270
Zhin is crap and lame, lian is great, Jenos is broken

>>385521715
>>385521491
I feel like Zhin is better than Lian, Lian is a crappier Cassie, at least Zhin can shitpost

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>>385510730
3k elo here, can confirm. Had 16 loosing streak today because of people either cant fucking aim, or cant fucking flank. At least healers were doing great.
Remember guys, always say VVT to a good healer. It encourages them to play better with you this way. No need to spam the video tape.

>>385519298
Muh dick. The world needs more lewd Seris.

>>385519298
I agree with you but I prefer sci fi Ruckus over the abomination we get

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>>385521270
I hate Lian because she's so bland gameplay-wise. Her gun looks so plain when being fired and then all of her attacks except for her dash are just her shooting another projectile that does damage.

Did I mention that her dash is also fucking stupid and cheap?

http://paladins.guru/profile/pc/xdbenis/casual

Made a Lian smurf. Pretty much only lost to aimbotters or when I had AFKs, really fun.

>>385522102
Cassie is just down right broken tho. She needs to be nerfed.

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>that fernando

>>385520382
but thats not true with most tanks and damage

>>385523074
hell even support, since some supports work as good flank/damage too

>>385523043
>andro and eevie that low
Shit list

>>385523043
wait, did something happen? why is fernando suddenly considered good

>>385523173
I can understand - Andro's legendary got a nerd and Eevie's teleports are nerfed as well as her burst damage

>>385508280
>Some people couldn't afford Overwatch
i'm sure that's true for some but as someone who has 200h in overwatch, I can safely say paladins is better

>>385523043
>Evie that low
>kinessa on the same level as anyone on a
whoever made that list is autistic

>>385523337
Nah Eevie is crappy now as you can't teleport around anymore and your damage is nerfed, but yeah Kinessa is the anomaly.

>>385523230
Looking at the patch notes, it seems that he was buffed every fucking patch with Cassie.

>>385523230
His fire ball has a 5 sec cd now and with card you can bring it down to 2-3 sec.

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>>385508280
>paying for blizzshit

>>385523474
he actually just got a nerf in the latest patch, I think it was shield or health nerf? but otherwise they left the one thing that made him great lately, the fireball

>>385523434
but evie is still better then the people in b class and can fuck over most people in a apart from ghrok against ruckus you just play annoyingly aggressive
andy also shouldnt be in b+

>>385524129
yeah she's better than torvald and zhin for sure

but lately if you're an aware player you can fuck up Evie easily, surprised Grover could destroy her

>>385523043
Is Fern secretly good? Don't fuck with me. Show me some builds.

>>385523230
>>385523434
You really can't justify this list since Buck is in B+. And Inara should be in A, Ruckus in A+.

>>385524323
>secretly

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>>385524323
nando got massive buffs lately particularly with Fireball and I think Charge

>>385524440
I just found it though so who knows, I just agree that nando is good

>>385508280
>some people won't suck Blizzard's dick
this triggers the blizzdrones

>>385508280
They're both shit

>>385524523
Why would they buff fern when he's one of the most consistently played tanks from the start.

>>385520254
>steven universe avatarfag
opinion discarded

>>385525387
nando's actually falling off from his usefulness since Makoa's release

>>385525854
Because they bothered to put another halfway decent tank in. Most of the tanks have been pretty mediocre since their inception bar makoa but thats only due to hook his other shit is pretty mediocre too.

>>385526101
his dome is actually pretty good especially when combined with half shell (let's him attack and move), and recently his leviathan legendary (gives 1500 health) also makes him immune to CC when he triggers his ult

also he has some of the best skin voices

>>385526239
Wasnt he already CC immune when he ulted? He really needed that dome card to not be ass after the hook nerf.

>>385514097
No game could have worse balancing than Overwatch.

>>385526498
Plenty of games have been poorly balanced and more so than overwatch, dota 2 and league at various points in their life have had some abysmal balance issues.

>>385526448
No he isn't actually. Even tree sniper (who only recently got immunity too). Though I guess it was intentional since an ult that fully heals you and adds you more health for a duration is pretty good that CC is there for mitigation.

>>385518316
How the fuck is it Widowmaker?
Because she has a sniper?
Blizz didn't invent the fucking sniper class you retard.

>>385511589
>>385511673
>>385520254
the p2w card cards system "balanced" you hi rez fans have no value alive

>>385526630
It wasn't bad but you lost your ranged attack and you can still die esp if you have 2 dps looking at you or xin uses ult with the right card shit like that.

>>385526731
>this triggers the drone

>>385526498
lawbreakers and paladins are the lowest 2 atm

>>385526731
Lmao they ripped off widowmaker pretty hard so they're not identical characters but they both have mine abilitys and a sniper that doubles as a rapid fire close range weapon.

>>385526891
You wish you can pay for those card after these recent patches.

>>385526498
You clearly haven't played many games

>>385526731
>sniper turns into an automatic rifle
>how the fuck is it Widowmaker
stop

>>385526891
this is not about monetization, this is about gameplay, gameplaywise is a good system

>>385527257
>P2W
>good system
yup retarded

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>>385525437
>raging faggot

opinion about my opinion discarded

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Overwatch has been out for like a year already and it's still being sold close to $60 dollars and a used copy costs 5 bucks less
How in the fuck?

>>385527251
I guess gundams ripped off Overwatch too?

>>385527336
Its not pay to win
You get the best champion for free

>>385508280
Paladins feels so fucking janky and unfinished. The fucking ragdolls clip into the ground, how do you even fuck that up?

>>385527336
GAMEPLAY, im not taking about monetization you fucking mongoloid

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>the fucking matchmaking
I'm done, being unable to even leave the spawn point because you were put against players with much more experience is ridiculous.

>>385527373
Blizzard couldn't cut it up into three separate games, they've gotta make money somehow

>>385529036
or you know it just happens

>>385529265
Yeah sometimes you run into a stack and get fucked but mostly its retards v retards and one decent player can make the difference.

>>385529265
4 times in a row? With the matchmaking putting the same players on the same teams? Yeah nah, it's ridiculous, even when you get an accolade for doing well it simply didn't matter because your team wasn't even close to being as experienced as the opponent.

>>385529548
yeah it just happens, like I got different but shitty teams yesterday but got good ones today

sometimes a person really just isn't good with a character, or that a person is just so good with a character, team chemistry does/doesn't work, etc.

They should remove the third person bullshit during certain abilities

>>385527336
>Paladins
>P2W
Pay 2 win is not the same as pay not 2 grind.
In pay 2 win, there are OP items or benefits available for money ONLY.
You can literally get everything in Paladins without every spending a fucking dime.
>>385528547
>Paladins feels so fucking janky and unfinished
Notice that red beta sign in its title? I wonder why it's there. Because the devs are lazy shits, mostly, but also, because it's not a finished game.

>>385522108
That's why you don't play on saturday morning
Only kids play.

>>385529771
for what reason?
its only bullshit on jenos

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>>385529036
>getting paired against a diamond ranked Drogoz, platinum Fernando, and Platinum Androxus
>my team has a single platinum Barik, everyone else is gold or below
>we still pull off a win

A DAY MAY COME WHEN THE COURAGE OF MEN FAILS

WHEN WE FORSAKE OUR FRIENDS, AND BREAK ALL BOMDS OF FELLOWSHIP

BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY

why didn't we get a beach babe Ash

I really hope Ash gets the love she deserves. She is a perfect darling little angel.

>>385530129
On the guy with double pistol, why would you do this. It feels like you're less powerful when using this

>>385529678
>"yeah man it's not fun and you will never learn the ropes but it just happens"

>>385511673
it used to be, but the nerfs to many of the cards make the actual difference made to be a piss in the ocean compared to what it used to be. It'd be better if they dropped the item store and buffed the cards back up a bit.

Does paladins have any bikini skins? or plain fapservice lingerie etc?

this is very important

>>385531153
Or make decks only have 4 cards with 10 points to spend, but make powerful cards.

>>385530647
Dude the characters are pretty 2 dimensional easy to understand if you don't get how to use their kit you better look up some youtube video and have someone explain that shit to you cause you too dumb.

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>>385531312
not really
seris and lian have viewable panties though
I guess summer beach cassie is the closest

>>385531517
I knew it would come to too dumb, but you fail to realize that without being put against players of similar skill it's impossible to learn how to properly play a game because you're dead before you're able to achieve anything.

>>385530225
Platinum means nothing tho, gold is just the default rank when your champ have reached lv 4.

The maps suck, the voice actors suck the most, the gameplay feels like cod but with abilities and a bigger health pool
and yet people dare to compare it to tf2, which is actually more close to quake in terms of gameplay
t. tf2 player

>>385532473
Your game has no girls no one cares about it enjoy your sausage party

>>385508280
Just pirate it bro.

>>385531651
You're really not the TTK in paladins is pretty high like if this is your first fps or something ofc your going to lose a lot but if this aint your first maybe you should find a different genre to play.

>>385533507
>ask for proper matchmaking
>get snowballs and smurfs instead
Yeah I agree with you, I won't waste my time with this. Back to TF2 I guess.

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>>385508280
>650 hours in Overwatch
>263 hours in Paladins
Both are fun. well, Overwatch was fun,
in season 1, Before they fucked everything up

>>385534646
Is 3500SR similar to 3500ELO in Paladins?

>>385533867
>Proper matchmaking
>TF2
thats fucking funny

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>>385534759
I'd say pretty close. I hover right around 2800 elo in Paladins right now. It's much more of a shit shoot when you get bad teammates.

>>385534986
There's no server browser in this thing though, better stay with the broken I know than with the broken I don't.

>some people dont waste money on shit

>>385535135
>Milruka
Maybe if you stopped playing with one of your 4 smurfs.

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>>385535505
I know, but shit gets boring when you reach actual meta play. If I could get with a team to play I'd stick with a main. But everytime I look for teams they only want healers and tanks.

Paladins is fun but I'm kinda sick of these hero based shooters, at least the content updates are pretty frequent, unlike OW's

>>385535661
>smurfing
Thanks for ruining the game for new players faggot.

>>385535984
this is where someone replies
>git gud
?

Can I do it?

>>385532564
you dont even like girls you fucking faggot
also, why bother when they sound like fucking retards

>>385536334
I meant girls as playable characters are you fucking retarded you fuck?

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>>385535984

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>>385535984
I mean, I have to put up with people like this on my team. So it's not a win win.

>>385535135

Here's how my games usually go when i play Viktor

>Grab Nimble just to survive the incoming hell
>Walk out of base
>Lian slides and instagibs me
>Walk out of base
>Makoa chain grabs me from like 50 feet and i get instantly destroyed
>Walk out of base again firing my gun 1 time only to get slaughtered before i can even react by 2 extremely fast sniper bullets
>Try again only to be nuked by Willo using her ult

This has become every match i play in, There's no fighting back on any of this stuff it's all instant death.

>>385508280
>grokh buff never
Just kill me already, he is so fun but so shit in every single point

>>385537480
>smurf meets more smurf
Truly newb life is fucked

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>>385539046
Have you played paladins? The team balancing never makes any sense.

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>>385539236
You're a baby. Watch this.

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>>385539539
>full party
That's how full parties work in all games. They have to find A match, not just a balanced one.

>>385539697
It's not like there aren't any 2-3k to play with them. I met them again next match with a bunch 2k5+ and we manage to win.

>>385508280
>Please play my shitty game
>That will cost you 60 bucks
>W-wait come back!

>>385536184
no because it doesnt make sense

>>385541487
But it does, smurfs have nothing more than you but experience, so if you git gud you beat them, easy.

>Overwatch is dying and Blizzcucks have to shit on the competition

wew

some people buy off brand food because it's cheaper

>>385541767
Use
>WoW
instead of
>Overwatch
and there you go, a game still popular after 14 years, fucking bravo I love how Blizzard always wins

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>>385527251
>>385527093
>Paladins "rips off" Overwatch
>HAHAHA LOOOL PATHETIC!

>Overwatch "rips off" Paladins
>UHHHHMMMM? NO, TH-THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AT ALL!

>>385541698
How can they git gud if you just stomp them every match?

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>>385539539
>Drogoz
Cancer
Glad you and Willocucks get banned immediately on competitive.

>>385541698
but git gud is easily applicable to the smurfs becuase they dont want to play with people who are actually good
instead they choose to play with bad people

>>385542043
>Rule 1 : You can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent

>>385542268
I'm not saying it isn't, they're pathetic we're talking twink-tier people in BGs; but they're not complaining at least they're just doing what's fun to them.

>>385542041
b-by the way we fernando had a hook before roadhog did

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>>385542041
Reminder that Ruckus came first
Reminder that Evie came first

>>385542492
by the way pudge and scorpion had hooks before roadhog did

>>385542535
How the fuck can they call Evie a Mei rip-off because of one fucking skill? They play nothing alike.
So is Inara a ripoff too because of her wall?

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>>385542159
>le epic autoaim character

>1 game mode
Why do people play this garbage again?

>>385515048
Nobody cares about Paragon
It's a joke thinking that they can creat an e-sport scene of it
Its free on the console with the largest playerbase and no one mentions it except of you moba autist

>>385542659
They still say cassie and sha lin are hanzo rip offs even though the only common thing about them is ammo type

>>385542781
Why do people who don't know shit about games post about them like they do?

I downloaded this and smite on ps4 because they're free and I'm a poorfag, and I actually thought both games were decent.

>>385543013
There is literally only one game mode in this shit game.

>>385543126
I'm not going to dignify this with a response.

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>>385542659
yes, they are that stupid

>>385543126
is the response you expecting suppose to list out the gamemodes that are actually available
so that you can say "they're all the same"
either way someone is going to bite

>>385543235
You just did literally replied, though. Summer please.

>>385542470
>rule 2 if the the opponent is so much better than you you'll be unable to learn anything

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Dropped Overwatch and thought I'd give Paladins a try and I'm having fun so far. Ran into quite a few drophacks so far which is really shitty.

>>385543328
No. I downloaded this absolute trash on the ps4, and the only game mode I was able to play was some bullshit where you had to push a payload

>>385508280
Overwatch is not worth $40 by any stretch, it should honestly be F2P. The playerbase is terrible so it's not like the price gate is helping on that front.

>>385543712
are you level 15?
i dont know if they locked onslaught to over 15s

>>385543813
Honestly seeing how Paladins gets flooded with smurfing, hacks and whatnot I can't say it's a bad idea to lock the game behind a paywall.

>>385543665
If you think a webm of a cute girl will make me download this game...
Fuck it it's saturday after all.

>>385543882
I'm a level 3 because I've only played like 3 matches. The only fucking game mode it lets me play is siege.

>>385544241
You don't get to take off the training wheel until you're 5, anon.

f2p version of the turd that Overwatch is, one of the few free games capable of somehow, giving you buyers remorse.

>>385544241
siege is the best mode anyway

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>>385544161

>>385544241
By the way, you're fighting against bots so far.

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>>385544824

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Reminder that Paladins did in fact copy Overwatch and the CEO is massive manchild
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Hi-Rez-Studios-Reviews-E200165.htm

>>385544953
I'm glad the game is first person because Skye's ass would distract me too much

>>385543665
>>385544824
>>385544953
Is this /vg/?

>>385545039
the CEO said TF2 is the inspiration for Paladins, not Overwatch.

>>385545107
we dont even waifu post that much

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>>385545039
>boo hoo this place is fucking shit
>but I'm still working here anyway
More like manchildren employees.

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I want to FUCK Ying.

>>385542535

>Rumble

>>385545165
And theres literally no reason not to play TF2 instead because no matter how many fuck ups it sill never be as bad as Paladins and OW.

>>385545039
So they're copying a copy? Who cares?

>>385545770
bruh TF2 is clunky outdated shit.

>>385545859
that somehows manages to still play better than this "new and smooth" shit

>>385508280
Hello, reminder that Paladins came first and Overwatch ripped off many of their ideas.

>>385545859
And Paladins is new shit thats both clunkier and somehow has worse graphics despite coming out a decade afterwards.

>>385545165
Hello see this
>>385546802

Paladins was in development before overwatch but idiots dont seem to notice or care

>>385545770
nigga i'll play tf2 again in 50 years when the pyro update is out