>never played Civ before What am I in for?

Falling asleep.

Engaging strategic empire expanding and really brash diplomacy. After a couple games you'll realize how superficial the game feels and how formulaic and shallow your options really are.

>>385493006
>>385492784

wow

civ iv is awesome

play what you like how you like, come what may

the moment you look something up you're dulling the game for yourself in some way or other far as single player goes, the computer is not impressive at playing the game.

>>385492765
get Civ 5 with all the dlc you moron

>>385492765
Poor AI and desyncs out the ass if you actually want to play with people.

An A+ soundtrack and unhealthy cities

Baka, why not play Civ 5 ? It's easier and more fun than 4.

>>385492765
One of my top 3 games and by far the best CIV game.
If you are into history download RFC DOW.

>>385493750
each individual civ game (that I've played) has something I wish the others had
Civ III simple 2D
Civ IV atmosphere
Civ V easily discernible computer player personalities, religions (minus byzantium's UA), helps my shitty graphics card fry eggs

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>playing civ over grand strategy

>>385493750
Got Civ IV because it was cheaper. Might buy Civ V if this is fun.

>>385494036
at least the wrong person doesnt die 20 hours in and you lose half of spain, reload 5 times trying to prevent it then give up

fuck crusader cucks 2 i was almost to emperor

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>>385492765
dunno man. after spending 100 hours in Civ 6, every other Civ feels boring with obsolete systems

which one is the best for just turtling and ignoring the shitty combat?

>>385494135
if the answer is a grand strategy game, I'd also want to know

>>385494115
When you have a few King level titles and a strong monarch switch to elective monarchy. Dump enough titles on your preferred heir so that 'rigging' the election is easy and you (mostly) never have to worry about inheritance again because even if you have a bunch of average options you're never stuck with the worst.

>>385493750
>It's easier
Easier is now a selling point for why a strategy game is better. Fucking retards

>>385494036
GS is easy as fuck though, and relies too much on RGN.

Civ 4 on emperor is where you distance yourself from casual scum.

Civ5 is shit.

Civ6 is a meme

Civ3 is obsolete

Civ2 is ok but aged

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>Paying for a digital "copy"
Die.

>>385494207
Victoria 2, the game's about nation building and wars are generally small and over quickly. Of course the options there if you want to go full autocrat, turn out a massive army and shit stomp primitive nations into a big empire blob.

>>385494118

Didn't people shit on that game's AI and gameplay when it came out? Hell, people still seem to be shitting on it according to steam reviews.

>>385494710
Vicky 2 is fucking garbage compared to Vicky 1 though.

>>385494036

Grand Strategy is for people too impatient to do micromanagement. I understand it may be too complex for you

>>385494793
there have been a few patches that supposedly fixed it. i think it's fine, every other system is an improvement on the older games

>>385492765
A great game, but the combat is pretty dull. I just can't go back to stacks of doom crashing into one another after playing V and VI.

>>385495293
Stacks of doom are way better for single player, the AI handles them effectively.
MP is better with the new system but who the fucks play CIV mp on /v/?

>>385495293

this. i fucking love hexes and i love 1upt

i got Vox Populi a few weeks ago. feels like i bought a new game

>>385493642
civ 5 is shit though only some one who never played civ 3 and 4 can enjoy it.

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>>385492765

I hope you enjoy watching the sun rise while you say to yourself repeatedly "just one more turn...."

>>385492765
When you develop full autism try the Rise of Mankind mod.

Start out as berry pickers hunting and fighting neanderthals then end up in the far flung future.

>>385494115
>playing solely to have the biggest blob
you are doing it wrong

>>385493642
don't do this
play one game and stick with it
playing more than one will either make you hate every game but one or keep you from enjoying any game from the series again as you'll always be wanting something the other games have

>>385492765
you need Beyond the Sword my man.

Once you've played a few games of the standard game, start experimenting with mods.

Question: Does Beyond The Sword contain the entire main game plus new stuff? Should I even bother installing the main game if I got the complete edition?

>>385496930
Main game without expansions is ass, much like any other civ game. BTS is the only way to play it, imo.

>>385496930
>>385497249

Get the complete edition and run BTS, just as anon said, the main game without BTS is extremely lacking, plus, all the mods are for BTS.

>>385492765
Falling on your face, and possibly never touching it again.

I love 4, but 5 is so much easier for new players.

I remember failing horribly on the call to power one

>>385492765
Boredom.
Plays HoI instead, that game is more interesting.

Civ is the equivalent of playing monopoly while somehow managing to be more autistic than Europa History games.

>>385495898
in fairness Hispania is comfy
only issue being K_Andalusia is big as hell unless you're patient enough to drift titles via personal holdings/vassal kings

>>385497774
>anything more autistic than HOI
HOI 2 is great
HOI 3 is autism
HOI 4 is meme

CIV 4 is better than all 3 together though.

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>>385495991
>you will never play a Civ with III's graphics, IV's music/spock and V's personality

>>385497896
How is Civ4 good? Even on quick mode, it takes fucking forever to produce anything. Late game is mildly interesting but still easy as fuck.

The game's advisors take any challenge or thinking out of the game and if you didn't have them, then you'd have to spend the whole turn fumbling in it's awkard UI to decide on what to produce next.


Hearts of Iron manages to be a deeper (actual) game, and at the same time it's both easier and more interesting to play.

>>385492765

You are in for best civ. Get used to the systems, learn to play the game and then take a look at the available mods, you are in for a ride.

>>385497896
>Civ4 is better than all 3 together though
fucking fight me Civ III is maximum comfy despite lacking the budget IV probably had over it

>>385498229
Does Civ IV even have individual leader personalities beyond giving Gandhi a funny green glow?

>>385492765
You'll binge it for like two weeks then set it down for months or years, only to pick it up occasionally and binge for another two weeks.

Civ is one of those games where they hook you with the idea of micromanaging an empire but that's it. No change, nothing to strive for except numbers getting bigger and occasionally wiping out the AI despite having a weaker army because you're not dumb as rocks.

How do people think Civ IV is the best game in the series when the sequels improve on the previous releases and is therefore objectively better? I mean, once you've played Civ VI or Civ V there's not much point on going back to the previous games other than muh nostalgia

>>385498741

massing gold still works, and culture bombs

my only real gripe with Civ 5 is that I can't assign tiles for my cities to automatically claim and they just pick whatever

>>385498741
>sequels improve on the previous releases
>CIV
LMAO. For every decent thing they add or change, they fuck up or remove something else

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>>385492765
All these fucking posts and nobody has commented on OPs download speed

>>385498378
What's the point of playing video games anyways? Really makes you think..

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>There are autists on vee who unironically think civ 4 is better than civ 5 in any way shape or form
nq mod civ 5 is the current pinnacle of PC turn based strategy, nothing else comes even close. And you play against players unless you're a total shitter.

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Who's your favorite Civ, /v/?

>>385498095
Civ 4 rewards patience, if you fuck up at turn 3, you might get your ass fucked 200 turns later, it's really great once you get the ball rolling. obviously im talking about monarch upwards.

HOI is great, but CIV is a much more complete game imo.

>>385492765
>What am I in for?
The best civ if you have the expansions

>>385498741
I could never get into CIV 5, the combat was too easy since the AI coudln´t even manage, the tile management and thus city customization was much more simplified which eventually leads to less options for the player. Even in GaK i felt that the game was a step down in everything and the deal breaker was no RFC.

As I said before, the doomstacks while horrible in multiplayer are great at single player since the AI can and will provide a very decent challenge in higher difficulties.

>>385501489
Sure if you like easy games.

The shared happiness makes no sense and is only there to limit the players expansion in a bad way, I much prefer the corruption of CIV4.

>>385501676
Incas all the way, they are always OP, also im from Peru. I so also love the romans since half of my ancestors are italian and legionaries/praetorian always make for a fun early game.

>>385501676
definitely 4

streamlined all of the most annoying shit from 3
5+6 introduced one unit per tile which is full cancer
literally ever new mechanic sucks
all the new mods suck, fall from heaven 2 remains an all time great mod

>>385496930
Yes. Install BtS and play that version. Civ4's expansions are not integrated into the game itself like those of Civ5 and Civ6.

>>385502340
Huayna Capac is OP in 4, especially if you play world map where all of Brazil is river tiles

>>385502364
My nigga

That fucking retarded culture mechanic with archaeologist was the dumbest shit ever.

>>385495454
Wrong, Civ 5 with all expansions is great.

Only vanilla 5 was shit, and guess what, vanilla 4 was flawed as fuck too

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>>385501676
4's modding scene alone blows the fuck out of everything else. I also never had a problem with stacks of doom because they just simulated a moving army.

>>385502364
Hexes make up for 1upt IMO, and stacks of doom are almost as retarded as 1upt anyways

Also, 1upt is litterally the easiest thing in the world to fix with a mox, it's not a valid excuse to shit on 5 for

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>>385492765
Montezuma has declared war on you!

>>385492765
To wish you were playing Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri instead.

>>385502592
>stacks of doom are almost as retarded as 1upt anyways
>having a lot of troops in the contested area is retarded
>even with collateral damage
stacks of doom is the dumbest thing ever to bitch about

>>385502520
>global happiness
>1UPT traffic jams
>huge penalties for capturing a city
>maintenance penalty for making buildings and roads
>diplomatic penalties for literally anything
>social policy gain speed penalty for expanding
>crippling empire-wide penalties for unhappiness
Civ V is literally "we don't want you to have fun: the game".

>>385503151
You know the best part is that, aside from all that, the game manages to be easy as fuck.
But it got popular somehow, it was baby's first civ for many thanks to steam so they will claim it is a better game regardless.

>>385503151
Civ5 was an attempt to get anal retentive need for micromanagement out of the game aka make it more appealing to wider audience. Problem is, you know, that's kinda half the appeal of 4X.

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>>385502646

>>385502646
Monty?
He is trash
Now Shaka
That nigga made me racist

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>>385492765


IV is really good, there are mods that make it insanely complicated if your into that.

V is probably the best experience you'll get if you don't want complicated though.

Stay away from VI its complete trash.

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>>385502592
Tell me again how hexes are better than/are an upgrade from squares. Go right on ahead.

>>385492765
good on you for buying the best one.

prepare for gandhi anal rape

>>385494118
>more intricate systems are obsolete

maybe strategy games aren't for you, anon.

>>385504007
Black women taught white women how to put on make up and make themselves look beautiful.
#StolenHistory

>>385504045
Because it's in the newer game. Marketing tells me that newer is better than older. I'm a millennial, therefore I believe anything corporate marketing tells me. Therefore, everything in an old game must be shit. QED

>>385504045
More balanced while still offering a plethora of tactical choices

>>385504193
>I'm a millennial
So you were born in 80s/90s?

>>385504196
>buzzword buzzword no actual explanation

>>385504143

nothing can make a black woman attractive - they were wasting time

>>385504289
If you don't know the reason why hexes are even used at all then I have nothing to say to you. There's a very straightforward reason why hexes are used in wargames and why Civ implemented them. Go read up "hexes vs tiles" or something

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>>385504712
>I-I know why, I-I j-just don't w-want to t-tell you!!!!

>>385504934
Why should I? Who are you?

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>>385504973

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>>385497896
>HOI 4 is meme
why exactly does /gsg/ hate hoi4?

>>385505115
Not enough concentration camps and swastikas

>>385505115
The AI was broken
And isn't it just a more simplified version of HOI3?
Why go that way if HOI 2 and AOD are still around and kicking?

>>385504045
I'll tell you why
Because in real life you can't go right or left, only diagonal and up and down.

>>385505434
If that's the case, wouldn't HOI4 = HOI2 in terms of complexity?

Good game. Get that one mod that adds a shit ton of civics and units. Not caveman to cosmos but the slightly more focussed one.

Caveman to cosmos is fun though even if it is a mess. I love that progression. Shame it always crashed for me.

>>385505550
If the 10 year old AI of HOI 2 was as bad as the one of HOI 4 yeah, it would.

>>385505604
I see. Why couldn't they just modify HOI2's AI and put it in HOI4 while they were making it?

>>385505674
Because it's a different engine probably.

>>385505785
That just means they were lazy then. Shame, HOI4 seems like it could have been the best HOI ever.

>/v/ in charge of discussing civ

Don't bother, its like Elder Scrolls, too much fanboy fanaticism to talk about anything.
You disrupt the circlejerk and the roaches crawl against you in legions.

>>385505890
Yeah, a shame all of us can't even hope to reach your superior intellect.

>>385492765
Oh boy a thread to let me friend anon enjoy a new game in his librar-
>Civ 6 instead of 5
Sorry anon

>>385506153
You're fucking blind, idiot

>>385494573
Maybe he meant eaisier to grasp? Not sure how the previous civ games were but it's really easy to learn how to play civ 5 but the downside is that civ 5 gives you next to no real options at the higher difficulties and that the combat system is complete fucking aids. If you want to go to domination you have to do it fast and early and pray that your opponent doesn't have terrain advantage as his 1000000 bowmen fuck your asshole

>>385506237
Im sure it says civ 6 in the OP desu anon

>>385506203
It says your pic is missing

>>385506297
Plebeians can't read proper roman numerals.

>>385504712
>Typing all of that shit instead of just giving the reason

Spongebob is right, my man. You're a faggot.

>>385504934
Hey Sponge, hexes are generally used over squares for 2 reasons:

>Hexes don't distort diagonal distance. i.e. if you take a ruler and measure 6 tiles east vs north-east, you'll get the same distance. On the other hand, squares multiply diagonal distances by a factor of sqrt(2) compared to horizontal or vertical distances.

>Hexes have straightforward adjacency rules. Any two tiles with distance of 1 between them are adjacent. With squares, diagonals again mess you up. If you allow movement on the diagonals then two tiles that are adjacent will only share a point instead of a line as a border. This makes it confusing and you would have to point out whether tiles can be diagonally adjacent or not as a game rule.

However, both those reasons aren't really fundamental limitations to either square or hex maps. It's just about player perception and intuition (which is very important).

>>385506426
ahhhhhhhhh CYKA

sorry anon its 11am i take full responsibility for that one, disregard me i suck cocks

>>385501676
fucking shoshone fucking shits

>>385501676
5, Morocco. Making just mean amount of money from caravans.

>>385505434
>isn't it just a more simplified version of HOI3?
That's the least of its problems. Anyone who says the OoB of HoI3 isn't a problem is trying too hard to be contrarian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A

Make sure you change the menu to the vanilla one.

>>385501676
Egypt in Civ 5. Whoring all the wonders is my favorite playstyle. Having Thebes as a super megacity with Gardens+Petra guaranteed is also a plus.

Plus me being a Kang irl is also a factor.

>>385506482
Ok, so even with those reasons, it simply still comes down to player/developer preference? I have to say though, that squares with diagonals allowed still give more options, however.

>>385506617
>mfw reading civiclopedia while listening to baba yetu

I haven no face for such comfiness

>>385506617
>SJWs would be outraged if a new civ game used baba yetu again as its an oppressive white imperialistic prayer even if singed by africans

>>385506482
Neither of those are even relevant to a video game since the computer handles all that.

>>385506651
It's tricky, but unless you make some weird intuitive diagonal movement rules, both tesselations are the same, gameplay wise.

Squares do NOT give you more options. That's just the effect of really distorted diagonal distance talking.

In face, hexagons give you mathematically more options because you have more routes between any 2 points and more neighbors for each tile, but because Hexagons are visually isotropic unlike squares, people seem to think that squares diagonals give them special powers.

>>385506850
Thats cause people are autistic

>>385506750
See >>385506651
for why it's relevant.

Also, think about how the transition from doomstacks to carpets would work if each tile had only 4 vs 6 neighbors.

It really does matter. infact, if higher n-gons weren't so eye-crossingly confusing, it would be better to play with them.

>>385506850
>In face, hexagons give you mathematically more options because you have more routes between any 2 points
I wish you could show me this with a small diagram or something but I don't want to waste your time
>and more neighbors for each tile
but with diagonals allowed, a square has more neighbors like my earlier pic shows.

>>385507191
Different anon here but you're thinking about it all wrong, all i can say is a hexagon has 6 sides and a square has 4 sides, it was said earlier that diagonals on squares are basically a myth

>>385506065
I love this new meme where we use intelligence as an insult. Us fools, ammirite?

Is Civ III worth playing?

>>385507507
Oh I didn't know that was a meme, dumb me, I wish I had even a bit of your amazing internet wisdom.

>>385507191
If you allow diagonals then sure. But then things get kindda wonky as previously explained.

Also, I forget, but Civ IV did not allow diagonals, right?

>>385507576
you are really making me cringe anon

>>385507684
Civ 4 and 3 allowed diagonals.

The Hexagonal move was just so reviewers could tell how amazing and reinvigorated the series was at 5, when it really just limited the movement to make the maps seem larger.

>>385494135
You can just make death dots in civ iv where you move your entire army on one tile.

>>385507684
>but Civ IV did not allow diagonals, right?
From what I remember, it did.

a normie strategy game

>>385502525
Just downloaded this, playing as the KANGZ in the world map scenario.

Do you need a fucking NASA computer to run this? it's so fucking slow.

>>385508892
>my starting resource was watermelon