Why don't people just protest against paid online or boycott

because people are fags who aren't willing to follow through and commit to that kind of shit.

They do. Lots of people don't pay for online. That's why they have to raise the price, to make up for the people who aren't paying.

why dont people stop being console peasants?

>why don't CoD babies stop playing CoD

Gee I wonder

Both Xbox Live and Plus are ultimately hurting Sony and third-parties. I never buy online games on condole anymore. The superior free experience is on PC.

>>385487128
This. You can never go wrong betting against the intelligence of average people. The answer is simply that normies who buy consoles are not very smart. They truly think their shitty P2P "service" is worth the money.

>People are actually getting mad over the price rise on Twitter and other sites
>Even news outlets are reporting it
Nice to see. But lets not forget that MS are the true villains here. Sony and Nintendo are bad for following them, but MS started it.

>>385487535
MS is already tapping out from the console market which is good to see. They can't compete with both PC and Sony. Shame the damage has already been done.

>>385486912
There are millions of people on each of those services. A few hundred cancelling their subscriptions is meaningless.

>>385487668
>MS can't compete with PC

wut

>>385487478
Or just maybe they want to play their games online and in order to do that they need the subscription

>>385487668
>MS is already tapping out from the console market
Sauce? They just announced the Xbox One X.

>>385487668
Good riddance. They've brought NOTHING positive to the industry:

>Made games for dudebros and casuals
>Popularized DLC and paid online
>Make awful games
>Destroyed RARE

>>385487785
I meant Xbox. Pretty much all Xbone games are getting ported over. MS doesn't own PC the same way they own Xbox. W10 is a (failed) attempt to push for that but it will never come into fruition.

>>385486912
>>385487126
>>385487478

Children get their parents to pay for it, not all console users are adults that are smart enough to build and use a PC

>>385488060
*tipped*

>>385487876
You are forgetting that PC exists and is a better value in every way. Normies are just fucking brainlets and would rather pay $60 USD a year to use their own internet.

>>385487126
Because PC is shit

Because I'm supporting the servers to actually play online

>>385487963
Xbox brand is still a treasure trove for arcade games and niche Japanese exclusives.

>>385488156
Why isn't this a problem on PC?

>>385487879
Look at how many games they have in production. They keep cancelling games back and forth and even XXX is a guaranteed dud considering how PS4 Pro with a better brand and price tag sold.

I doubt MS will even show up in the traditional form next gen. Maybe they'll just make a console with a stripped down W10 with it and then market it as PC in the living room. Their big brands are all fading and they're not pushing hard enough for new ones.

>>385487963
>Destroyed RARE
t. Someone that doesn't know anything about Rare. Probably thinks StarFox Adventures is better than the new Killer Instinct

>>385486912
Because paying $5 a month is easier.

>>385488156
>servers
>when 99% of games are peer-to-peer
Stop talking.

>>385488060
pff hahaha isnt the other way around neet fag?

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>>385488146
>pay for internet
>pay for game
>lol pay an extra fee to play the game you bought online
Must suck to be poor

>>385488136
Normies are on PC now.

Half a million people are playing PUBG online every day. That is bigger than any online console game ever.

Sony and MS must eventually come to the conclusion that their paid services are a scam we've seen through already.

>>385486912
because a big number of people actually believe that paid online is required for good servers and a pleasant online experience

>>385488310
It is when no one willing to pay the bill when servers go down or host their own

>>385488680
I'm not a PC gamer and honestly, the only good mulitplayer games that are popular these days are on PC or exclusive to PC. Doesn't help that the popular MP games on console are riddled with microtransactions. It's why I stopped playing GTA V.

>>385488404
You stop you cheap fag. Face it bandwidth isn't fucking free

>>385486912
Because the alternative, that is to side with Gaben, is fucking shitty.

>>385487963
I agree that Xbox/MS is irredeemable shit, but let's get real. Rare was on the decline before MS bought them.

>>385488328
Wow. Canceling games. I bet no other company has ever done that.
This is either bait or you bring a jackass. If the WiiU (13 M) and GameCube (21 M) didn't stop Nintendo despite selling worse than the original Xbox (24 M), why would they stop with the Xbox One (26 M)?

>>385488870
>free and better is worse than paid and shit because I fell for /v/ memes about Gaben taking over the world
Bet you weren't even born in the Gamespy days.

Console users are just generally casual enough to simply not know that paid online is a scam. "It's just 60$ a year, lol. Oh now it's 79$? Well okay, here's my credit card :)"
dumbfuck consumers

>>385488558
What does that have to do with what I said?

>>385488868
Yes that's why people pay for a fucking internet connection.
If the game is peer2peer you're giving sony/Microsoft your $50 for doing fucking nothing.

>be sony
>have free online and + is just a nice bonus
>get hacked and lose a bunch of credit card info
>make + a requirement to play online
>quality of + goes down the shitter
>don´t use the money to upgrade server security
Sasuga sony
Sad part is most people don´t get that they are being fucked in the ass

It's a simple calculation that goes as follows

(enjoyment in dollars lost out on by boycotting) + (lost productivity trying to motivate others to join in the boycott) >>>>> PV($5 a month in perpetuity) * P(boycott is a success)

For you non-math plebs out there, essentially, the effort of a boycott and the lost enjoyment of not playing online far outweighs the lifetime cost of the subscription multiplied by the probability of a successful boycott.

>>385487025
these people you're talking about are mostly 8-12 year olds that don't know shit and their parents just pay it cause they're normies

>>385486912
By paying for it now we're generating goodwill which will hopefully lead to them making online free in the future.

You gotta stop thinking solely about the present.

>42 replies
>22 posters
Why are PCniggers such shitposters? They're the video game equivalent of Canada.

>>385489110
Not having to pay an extra fee is one of the major things makes PC better

>>385489203
how the fuck are calculating "enjoyment lost in dollars"? where did they teach you this math, Hogwarts?

>>385489548
In your opinion. Most people seem to disagree and are perfectly fine with paying for free games plus online.

>>385489131
Except building a great online service

>>385488136
While I agree with you, this does raise the question of why some games on PC (almost exclusively MMOs) do the same shit and have near similar prices to paid online for consoles.

Pretty sure the answer is greed, but there could be others I'm unaware of.

>>385489663
>Servers for MMOs cost more money
>They actually have new content being added regulary

>>385489614
>paying
>free games
LOL you´re a funny guy anon. Also the quality of plus dropped of the face of the Earth about 3 or 4 months after ps4 released when they decided to hold multiplayer games hostage

>>385489663
Paid online subscriptions are getting pretty rare for MMOs aswell. Only WoW and XIV are still doing it while the rest are without the fee.

>>385486912

I've never paid online and I have a PS4. Unfortunately the sheer amount of defected Xbots on the console combined with the general idiots makes sure paid online is here to stay.

Nintendo Switch paid online is a fucking joke, but of course they're going to go through with it. There's enough idiots. There's always enough idiots.

>>385489873
Actually, I think paid online will fail on the Switch

>>385489639
literally what online service when you're using your own internet connection to connect to another or multiple playstations? I'd give paid online a pass if it was a one time fee. like pay 50-70$ and pay online forever. but constantly jewing people for no reason is fucking shitty

>>385486912
>best selling games per year per console are the CoD/ BF and fifa/ Sport
>both are multiplayer based
the best selling games are hostages of the paywall basically

>>385488943
I defy you to name even three worthwhile exclusives on Xbone. I can't think of a single one. Halo is shit without Bungie at the helm. Gears of War is just stale (and on PC too). Scalebound got cancelled. Phantom Dust got cancelled. Fable Legends got cancelled.The entire xbox ecosystem has just become a sad depository for inferior ports of all the AAA multiplats. That's putting aside all the "always online" DRM fuckery they tried to pull in 2013 before the market dick-slapped them. And don't forget how they almost killed Xbone at launch with Kinect.

I hope to god Xbox dies at this point. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, microshill.

>>385489931
I agree. Online gaming is already barely alive on Nintendo as is. With that retarded voice chat system coupled with a paywall, I wonder just who will even bother with that clusterfuck.

>>385489614
>paying for free games

>paying for free games
>paying for free games
>paying for free games
>paying for free games
>paying for free games
>mfw

this is your average sony.gger /v/

>>385490159
I'm a Switch owner too and the console can barely pick up wi-fi signals. I've played games in the same room with no problems, but the Switch can't pick up anything unless I go right near the router.

>>385489639
Oh, you're just a retard who believes their marketing. This discussion is over. I suggest you kys.

>>385489873
I own a Switch and have zero intention of paying even $1 for their online "service". Nintendo needs a fucking wakeup call if they think they've earned the right to charge for an online infrastructure that looks stuck in the year 2000.

I would sign off on a petition but these companies have so much sway over the industry it's very unlikely it'd coerce them to make a change.

However, it's not so expensive that it would be that intrusive on anyone's budget unless you live in a third world country. Still less than ideal considering PS3 managed without paid online. Obviously I'd prefer not to have to pay just like anyone else.

>>385486912
normies don't care. $50 a year is a drop in the bucket. you should see how much people pay for their fucking smartphone bill.

XBL actually gives games which I'm fine with, psn can kiss my ass. Furi is the only game I played on there.

single-player master race reporting in

>>385490946
PSN would still be free if it weren't for the chumps like you who made XBL into a roaring success.

>>385490648
It is 60 bucks unless you get it on sale online. I wouldnt pay that just for online but the rando decent games x probably 60 games a year is worth it. Remove the games and there is no way in fucking hell id pay 60 dollars for online multiplayer and cloud storage. The discount on games helps too.

The duscount i think is why they really do it. Id you buy a bunch of games on sale then you are locked in to that system and wont buy xbox or switch when ps has all your games.

Its the crack dealer giving first few hits for free business plan

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>>385491194
but all I do is play WoW and give 15/mo for no games

>>385491112
This. Online multiplayer just seems to detract from any game where it isn't the explicit focus. Keep that shit confined to MMOs, RTS, FPS, etc.

I don't want to see it in games like Persona 5 or Smash 4 just to be reminded that in 10 years these features will be defunct.

>>385486912
>"I'm going to boycott this online service."
>"Yeah okay dude you do that while I buy 5 years in advance."

That's why PS+ & Xbox Live still exist and charge.

>>385490648
Even Google and apple aren't evil enough to force you to pay an extra subscription fee to use your own internet you've already paid for.

Because sometimes buying a subscription for a month to play some of the free games works out cheaper than paying for the games (Until Dawn is a recent example).

Because the video game industry relies on 12 year olds.

Turns out 12 year olds don't boycott.

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Paying for Xbox Live is objetively a good deal because their "free" games are actually decent

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>>385489131
That's not how it works retard... like at all

You are like the opposite people who claim p2p online gaming is better because publisher can't pull the switch. Just as you, they are wrong and don't know how it actually works. P2P on consoles isn't really peer to peer. You still have to connect to a dedicated master matchmaking server. Also necessary for statistics, leaderboards etc. companies have to host them somewhere i.e. they still have to invest money and once they are turned off the party is over.

While it has some advantages, P2P is worse in many aspects than dedicated hosting.

Not even games that provide serverfiles work without the publishers "master" servers for accounts/logins.
This is why many muliplayer games died when gamespy went down, even though you could host your own gameserver. For Battlefield 2 and 2142 the community came up with their own master servers so that these games still work even after gamespy disappeared.

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>>385487963
They brought a ton of fun games to the industry. I'm still waiting for a game that is as fun as breakdown, grabbed by the ghoulies, lost oddesy and sudeki. Besides xbox live has always been better than that shitty psn and you get your money's worth out of it.

>>385491986
Some iphone carriers makes you pay extra for mobile hotspot feature

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>>385493474
The costs for running a dedicated matchmaking server is next to nothing for any dev that can afford to sell retail games. In fact, it places so far down on the list of costs that it's barely visible at all.

Remember, even indie devs can afford a dedicated matchmaking server. You can rent one for cheap. It does by no means justify the presence of a $50 yearly fee for potentially millions of people. Sony has already gone and said they're making their biggest bucks on PS Plus. This is 99% bonus money to them.

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>>385486912
>yfw steam introduces a paid subscription service for "free" games, or decides to just try to do paid online

>>385492959
why not just subscribe to something like gamefly then?

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>>385490125
Don't really understand this stupid hate with xbox one. Most you sony fags don't even buy or 100% complete your so special "exclusives" you love to promote on a daily basis. Most of them are very forgettable and start having discounts after 3 months sadly. Most of them have a ps3 or vita version and are getting pc and switch versions very soon already. Some of them are already available to play on ps now.
>>385489031
Not trying too bait you but
Aren't you pc gamers are stupid for buying those garbage early access games and meme games that your precious e celebs shilled to you to play. Besides alot of kids are already into pc gaming because of their precious e celebs told them how good it is.

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>>385493195
STOP ALREADY

>>385497023
>Xbox shills actually exist on /v/
Xbox is that third wheel that gets the leftovers nobody else bothers to get an exclusive contract for.

>>385486912
>he can't afford $40 a year
The poorfag repellant is working, at least.

>>385496671
Remember what happened when they tried paid mods? Can you even imagine the outrage if they tried this? This would go straight into lawsuit territory.

>>385489663
>server holds 100's of up to thousands of active player profiles
compared to
>8 man FFA servers

>>385496671
>switches to GOG, origin, G2A, uplay, humble bundle
the pc market just does not want to have paywalls for games apart from the price tag

>>385497445
>8 man FFA servers
On a player hosted lobby.

>>385497445
Go take a look at blizzards financial data, its in the open. Server costs are so low they dont even get listed on their own, they are grouped together under 'other costs', thats how much server maintenance costs. Its greed, pure and simple. They do it because they can do it. Thats why they do fullprice addons and an ingame cashshop.

because there are people who actually have this kind of mentality.

>I'm ok with this if it means better monthly games and new features.
>The service has been getting better and better....and the free sub games are getting better as well. I don't mind
>Really didn't know. But so far it seems the service gotten better
> I pay more for Xbox Live and have been for years. Totally worth. You guys are just now catching up to the optimal performance standard.
real quotes, I tell you.

>>385486912
Because normies don't care, and half of /v/ can't even commit to a nofap if they wanted to let alone an online boycott.

>>385497698
>real quotes, I tell you.
i believe it

>im not smart enough to put together a pc
its literal lego blocks just...more expensive
>yeah but i know ill break something someday
just google it
>yeah but thats just a hasle ya know

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>>385488189
>tfw awakened miki route will never be playable
FUCK YOU MICROSOFT

>>385488189
aw shit, don't remind me. been a PS3 fan boy for so long we didn't get many of the 6th gen arcade ports that 360 did. At least we got Under Defeat eventually though and tons of the PC-Engine games by Hudson.

>>385497897
Their biggest argument will always be convenience. They don't give a fuck about quality no matter what they say. These fucks are the reason CRTs died.

when did online multiplayer become so important to console gaming?
i miss local co-op with my buddies
even the Switch which was designed with local multi in mind has fallen for the online meme

>>385488189
What are some japanese xbox exclusives worth picking up?

>>385486912
we already lost because last gen
ps3 had free online. 360 had paid.
people bought 360 online.
now everything does.

>>385486912
I dunno, why dont you try it? let us know how it goes

>>385487478
Old mans a computer technician so i can get the parts for a good gaming console wholesale, won't do it, don't like sitting 10 inches from a screen, like to couch co-op with partner, really like the ps4 controller, monthly free games are alright too.

>>385488146
It has by far the best online services compared to any console

>>385488189
Maybe back during the last 2 gens. Xbone has jack shit unless it happens to be backwards compatible with your niche japanese exclusive

>>385487126
they fell for the exclusive meme and most people are too lazy to learn about the relatively simple process of pc construction.

>>385487247

>superior free experience is on PC

Enjoy it while it lasts. If you use Steam, they will figure out a way to charge you for online. Just look at paid mods.

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>>385486912
Too many normal fags pay for it
even if all of /v/ boycotted for a year it wouldn't make enough of a dent to justify even a price drop.

>>385500738
>you use Steam, they will figure out a way to charge you for online.
t. Delusional consolefag

Valve's major source of revenue is from F2P games, which completely conflicts with paid online. Microsoft already tried to charge for online through GFWL Gold and failed miserably. Paid mods are a completely different situation, anyone trying to equate the two or suggest Valve will start an online paywall for all PC games is fucking retarded.

>>385500584
well yea it's a computer it should.

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>Sony raising the prices of their abysmal online service just because they feel like
What a horrible fucking company

>>385499942
still pisses me off to this day, i managed to convince my friends to start gaming on pc with me, but they were on ps3 anyway, literally everyone was on xbox. shit was fucked from the start.

>>385500919
why wouldn't they try though?

>>385501438
Why would they try? Paid subscriptions interfere with their Free to Play based business model, and subscriptions in PC games are less popular than ever. Paid mods on the other hand is just a logical extension of Valve's marketplace for TF2/Dota2 items. Instead of just commissioning modelers to make items to sell on the marketplace, they can just automate the procecss and let any modder sell their creations while taking a cut for games they didn't even make.

>>385501438
Because they have no real incentive to. You think all the russians playing Dota and CSGO are going to suddenly cough up $5/month to keep playing those games online? Get real.
It's just wishful thinking from console fanboys who want to equalize with PC and can't accept that it has an advantage.

>>385501035
Idiots are defending it so they might as well just keep increasing.

>>385500738
you do realise that PC is not locked on to Steam only?

>>385486912
Because I don't want to see Playstation Network and Xbox Live become shit like Steam.

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>tfw playing free to play games on PC like Crossout, Warthunder and Star Wars TOR with other players that are all AAA quality without the price

>Haven't paid/played for a video game since Civ 5, and i've missed out on nothing

>Thanks to youtube I can see what a game is truly worth a purchase, so i've saved myself from No Mans Sky, Civ 6

>>385504534
>ever considering buying no mans sky
just watching the first trailer and hearing their plans it was clear the game would be mediocre at best

>>385488052
Xbox games ported to Windows 10 PC are still xbox games. Microsoft own windows which is more than 90% of steam.

>>385487478
>Intelligence
Intelligence would be not playing Vidya at all. Stop thinking you have good taste faggot

>>385486912

Because that didn't stop you from buying the Xbox 360.

Those idiots were paying Microsoft for Peer to Peer gaming while being blasted by advertising aka "spotlight" that gave MS even more money to bribe developers to make those 1-year exclusives.

>>385486912
I honestly would be okay with PS+ if the online was top notch. PS+ exclusive discounts can be pretty sweet and free games rarely but can be good.

But with this shit, I will no longer be paying for it. Not after I experienced how atrocious Tekken 7 online was, thank god I got an option to play on PC

>>385504534
thank god I'm not a NEET

>>385486912
"Paid Online" is like a capcha system. NOT having paid online would let any stupid asshole come online and be a retard. At least the company can ban their account and possibly [their mom's] credit card so that the imbecile won't come back on.

>>385506287
how exactly is having money an asshole-proof feature?

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>>385496212
>All those shitty games but no BB
What's wrong with you ?

>>385497023
>Most of them have a ps3 or vita version and are getting pc and switch versions very soon

PS3/PS4 games are largely legacy from PS3s (either because they were released earlier in the cycle in Japan or originally announced for PS3, like Yakuza 0 or Persona 5), but what exclusives have gone to Switch? Is there even one? Disgaea maybe?

>>385486912
Just one word : lazyness
That's also why console peasants exist in the first place. Retards are the vast majority of users, and they rather pay for everything than use their brain.

Because I'm not poor.

Waiting for it to be 50$ for 1 year subscription ... Fuck I will wait

>>385508210
Have you ever heard of deals?

>>385508347
What deal? Currently it is $60 everywhere, and offgamers where I buy from is not stocked.

I need to buy it online as I am not in the US.

>>385507582
>>385507582
The elitism of pc gamers never ceases to amaze me.
Is hard to function out side of the internet with that much autism?

>>385506287
nigga if a retard can afford spend 250$ on ps4 and plus whatever for the multiplayer game he sure as hell will pay 5$ for at least one month of online

>>385508617
see>>385497897

>>385508418
It was 25 dollars 2 months ago on amazon. You could have bough two of them if you were there on time.

>>385507582
>>385508693
>>385508752
this level of samefagging is depressing

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>>385486912
what else are they going to do?
switch to PC to enjoy free multiplayer on top of vastly superior performance and game selection?
I don't think so buddy

>>385486912
What do you mean? What's "paid online"?
I mean, obviously you have to pay your ISP. Or someone has to. If you're not footing the bill, your landlord probably is.

>>385486912
I turned my auto renewal for PS Plus yesterday, so I guess I am.

It's a shitty service anyway.

>>385497698
>real quotes, I tell you.
I can confirm. I'm subscibed to a normie game group on facebook and this is literally what they've said.

Why do you think people think DLCs are completely acceptable in their current state?
It's all because of casuals and shitters who don't know shit and love getting fucked in the ass by devs.

>>385486912
Because I really don't care that much.

>>385508928
For real? I didn't know it could go that low.

>>385486912
Because that's not how money moves
Thats not how businesses work
That's not how people work

You'd need a strong cognitive dissonance trigger to convince MILLIONS of people already paying for some years to pause and think "wait... YEAH, WHY AM I PAYING FOR THIS?" and not have them get their soul laughed the fuck out of their bodies.

Not everyone is a retard who eats dinner at his computer, some people only care just enough to hold eye contact with you while you scream about how you shouldn't have to keep paying for a service you do anyway with no complaints till now.

Fuck Microsoft. They may not have killed Rare but they sure as shit killed Lionhead. They have to force online in every game they release.

>>385486912
Good luck with that champ.

>>385510178
>Sony rise price of PS+
>FUCK MICROSOFT
lol

>>385510834
Different faggot here

You are the lowest intelligence poster that is most common here and I wish you'd stop breathing

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>>385487126
i have a pc (FX 8350, RX 290X) and ps4
i spend the most time on ps4 because pc has no fucking games

>>385488136
You PCfags are ridiculous. Every single discussion about consoles, one of you has to show up going "but what about PC?"

People get consoles because they are convenient and it's what their friends have. If all my friends have PS4 and I want to play something that isn't Rocket League or SFV with them, buying a PC wouldn't do me any good. Do you understand how that works?

>>385510969
It probably doesn't help that your PC is garbage, either

>>385489283

Then you answered your problem. People that young don't even know there was an increase. And if the parents care they won't buy the updated payment cards.

>>385500660
You don't even need to construct one anyways. There are deal on full PCs. Sure you aren't gonna get top of the line for cheap but you'll get something that's better than PS4 and Xbone easily. Then they can just upgrade the video card later which is cheap AND easy as balls.

>>385489742
This is true, but also a shitty excuse. And it went out of favor with most MMO players as the numbers keep falling every year.

>>385510930
Sonny niggers deserve to die. They have proven to be the dumbest, most abused fanbase in gaming history in the last few years and they still take it up the ass gladly. No company has ever fucked its retards as hard as this.

>>385486912
Paid online is never going away.

>>385511402
>have to go through home screen
>download digital... have to install
>now have to update with PS4 restricted speeds
>now have to install update
>now have to watch obligatory splash screens

Even if you buy Blu Ray you still have to install the whole fucking game. Which with PS4 memory requires either buying a new harddrive and opening it up to install or replacing old games just so you can play the new.

What convenience?

Consoles gave up convenience when they stopped being pop in and play instantly. Now PC is more like that.
Even with updating, everything is all in one in GoG Galaxy/Steam so you don't have to wait for slower Console download server limits and you can just get the shit in minutes and be on your way. And by default PCs are faster at loading times, faster framerates, etc.

I mean, if you said this 15 years ago, okay. But the past 10 or so years has been... wait, wait, install, wait, wait, need more memory, wait.... "oh NOW I can play".

>>385511920
>>now have to update with PS4 restricted speeds
this
fucking this

M$ started throttling X360 DL's once the Xone came out

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I just realized that PSN is now more fucking expensive in the UK than Xbox Live

PSN is increasing to £49.99

Fucking LMAO

>>385486912

>nintendo lowers the internet fee
>everyone else increases it

fucking lol it's like they want nintendo switch to obliterate them next year

>>385511920
Sadly, the only reason I think people still stay on consoles is because of internet speed issues. You're right about all of this, but the download speeds are so bad with some people that their only option is to buy blu rays and wait on installs because at least that finishes in a reasonable amount of time compared to their internet DL speed.

>>385511920
So games just magically exist on a PC and don't need to be downloaded or installed? Neat.

They did. When Microsoft charged for Xbox Live alot of people jumped to Sony.
Then when Sony did It, they just said "woe is me" and didn't complain 2 price hikes later

>>385499920
Lost odyssey (i consider this the true FFXIII)
Blue dragon
Tales of vesperia if you dont have a modded ps3
Ninja gaiden Black and 2 (different from those casualized sigma versions ps3 got)
Ace combat 6
Jet set radio future

just a small list. Theres a lot more than this. Sadly im not big on shmups so i couldnt tell you which ones are good.

>>385511920
I just downloaded Odin Sphere. Everything with pressing ONE button. No drivers, no searching for patches, missing files, everything console done for me. You project things anon. Consoles will always be more convenient and comfy than PC.

>>385488680
How the fuck is that bigger than any console game ever? Half a million is what's left on Call of Duty a year later when the next ones out.

>>385511530
>PC is garbage

It is.

>>385512542
Not him but the amount of normies on console who are excited about PUBG IRL is way more than the amount excited about the next cod

>>385510930
yeah... s-stupid microsoft.. f-forcing m-master sony to keep price hiking p-ps plus.. we shouldnt be mad at sony for being so j-jewish. stop being mad at s-sony for being jews... MS FORCED m-my master to be this way!

>>385500584
Not if the games ded

>>385511782
PC cucks are worse though. They even pay for games they will never get like Star Citizen. I can't find biggest corporate cock suckers and inbreed mongoloids.

>>385512540
PC does that all for you as well with the press of a button.

>>385509018
>PC
>game selection

Not everyone cares about obscure indie shit.

>>385512540
Different fag.
Its been ages since I've had to install drivers manually, and most games on PC will auto-patch themselves. Nearly all games that aren't generations old will install and play in one or two button presses.

>>385486912
>Let's get like 50m people from different countries to boycott something.
Literally retarded.

>>385512815
>PC does that all for you as well with the press of a button.

No, it dosen't.

>>385512909
>Nearly all games that aren't generations old will install and play in one or two button presses.

So like 1% of PC games. Ok.

>>385512691
Nah not at all. Even Infinity Warfare was a huge success and everyone agreed it looked shit. PUBG will be a success on consoles, but once it's been out for a few months they'll move onto something else

>>385512949
Sure it does
In fact you can even do it automatically

The fact that you've never really given PC gaming a chance is blatantly obvious.

>>385513035
>steam

>>385513048
I'm not saying it's guaranteed to sell well, but most ps4/xbone users (in real life, not /v/) seem to be looking forward to it much more than the next cod.

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>>385512885
>obscure
You can say what you want about it, but PC (and to a lesser extent nintendo are the only platforms to get relevant/popular exclusives.

>>385487535
>but MS started it
And Sony made it an industry standard.

>>385513235
I'm curious about those 90+ PC games. Care to post them?
>>385513068
No, this is all coming from my experience with PC gaming. For example I spend half day trying to start GTAIV properly even though my PC was stronger than X360 and PS3.

>>385513245
>exclusives
>post multiplats and obscure indie games
>post game with online subscription complain about consoles subscriptions

You proved my point.

>>385486912
Why would i do that if i'm satisfied with the service?

>>385513245
Name 2 exclusives PC got this year that sold more than Horizon or Uncharted 4.

>>385513434
Obscure games aren't the most viewed on twitch.

If PC only had indieshit over half the most viewed wouldn't be a pc exclusives.

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>>385512084
holy shit I thought they were the same price so I didn't care...this oogas my boogas

>>385486912
These subscriptions now give Microsoft and Sony more money than game and hardware sales.
It has ended up becoming their one and most important aspects of their games business. Which is also why they're pushing it so hard.

Rather than selling hardware to push game sales to turn a profit. Both game and hardware sales have been reduced to a medium to push annual subscription fees onto their consumers.
This is the future that people chose when they jumped head first into the pay to play online hell even though there were ample alternatives available.

>>385513539
PUBG sold more than anything on a single platform release dthis year.

Don't think it outsold uncharted, but then and again that was bundled VERY heavily (unless you actually believe normies care about it as much as cod/fifa)

>>385513632
PSN is cheaper. Got mine for 40$ on PSN sale last month. I don't know why shitposters always cherrypick biggest possible prices. Insecurity maybe?

>>385513731
It got outsold by Uncharted 4. Bundle is not argument because all best selling games are bundled with systems. If people buy platform with that certain bundle game, looks like they care about it.

>>385512084
>PSN is increasing to £49.99

>£1 = €1
Because of fucking course!

>>385513872
£1 = €1 = $1

welcome to america

>>385513769
Meant for >>385512084

>>385513870
The """"best selling""""" games are always bundled. This doesn't mean anyone actually wants them, e.g. kinect adventures sold 20 million+

You can tell which games are popular because of bundles and which are popular because people want them by opening your friends list

>>385486912
Because most people who aren't NEETs like you have the disposable income.

>>385514059
>This doesn't mean anyone actually wants them

Hmm... I should buy system with no game or game I care or system with this Uncharted game I don't care about at all? I know! I will buy it with game I don't care!

PC and Nintendo shitposters usually bring Fifa or CoD as most popular PS4 games even though they are bundled. Why they do count but Uncharted which is exclusive don't count? Because it outsold every Nintendo and PC exclusive?

>>385513252
>And Sony made it an industry standard.

No, it was already popular on Xbox 360. Now Nintendo brought it too.

>>385514461
When Microsoft did it it was but a practise practised by the minority.
When Sony hopped on it became the majority.

It wasn't an industry standard when Microsoft were the only ones who did it. Just like not charging for online play wasn't the standard when only Nintendo did it.

Sony were the ones who pushed it into an industry standard of the console industry.

>>385514325
>Why they do count but Uncharted which is exclusive don't count?
It's painfully obvious. Open your friends list and it's all cod/fifa.

Another decent way of seeing this is typing it into trade in websites and seeing how much they pay for it.

All this online crap really reminds me of blast processing and crap of the olden console wars.

>I am paying for it, therefore my PEER TO PEER connections are without a doubt superior!

>>385514325
I bought the bloodbornebox with uncharted bundled because it was THE cheapest way to buy a ps4 about half a year ago.

>>385514709
>premium peer 2 peer connections through ms/sony's datacenters
SUCK IT PC FAGS

>>385514680
>It's painfully obvious. Open your friends list and it's all cod/fifa.
And I see many with Uncharted 4 too, in fact as much as Fifa 2016. Your point?
>>385514658
Considering your logic it's Nintendo who made it standard. Before MS and Sony not every console had it. Now with Nintendo pushing it, it's standard everywhere.

>>385514763
No, it wasn't. Also your special snowflake anecdotal example is not argument.

>>385514890
it was spammed here about half a year ago you underage shitter. It was cheaper to buy the ps4 with uncharted than on it's own in the UK, and almost certainly everywhere else in the world.

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>>385514839
>I see many with Uncharted 4 too, in fact as much as Fifa 2016

>>385514839
The entirety of an industry doesn't meed to do something for it to be a standard. That's not how it works.
But if the majority does something, it's standard.

Of course with Nintendo the entirety of the industry are already doing it. It's never ever going away like this. It's fucking depressing. Might even find its way onto PC someday somehow. It's fucking awful. It'll never improve.

>>385515030
1. You have to post source on that
2. I know you are mentally challenged but limited time sales from one country are very small portion of 9 mln worldwide sales
3. You have to post source that Fifa or CoD weren't bundled with cheaper price too
4. Why are you so mad that PS4 exclusive outsold every PC and Nintendo exclusive?

>>385515085
Dude, Uncharted 4 sold 9mln.

>>385514839
>it's standard everywhere
Sure. But it still a standard before. Because of Sony.

>>385515357
>it's literally ok when MS and Nintendo done it

>>385515357
>all this mental gymnastics

>>>tumblr

>>385515357
>Because of Sony.

Umm, hello? If MS never brought it, it wouldn't be on Sony systems or Nintendo ones.

>>385515241
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/09/uncharted_4s_ps4_slim_bundle_is_an_absolute_steal

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/amazon-prime-day-ps4-console-bundle-uncharted-4-2940900


2 seconds of searching. I really don't care how well it sold but you're retarded if you think it wasn't because it was bundled.

>Why are you so mad that PS4 exclusive outsold every PC and Nintendo exclusive?
Pretty sure it;s going to be behind counterstrike and the latest mario for some reason

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Why can't PC users:
>stop overpaying for bitcoin miner hoarded overpriced GPUs?
>stop turning gaming communities into furry guro diaper shit?
>stop pirating everything?
>stop playing DOTA, CSGO and other meme games?
>stop their computers from randomly crashing bugging and having compatibility issues with most games?
>stop PC devs from being lazy and not optimizing any PC game because lmao u need a titan X to play this game (recommended)
>stop shitsposting on 4chan about muh consoles
>stop making petitions to port console games
>have more games than indie shit + unoptimized multiplat garbage

HMMMM this is really making me think

>>385515297
I've got housemates with the ps4 and it's ALL cod/fifa/gta on their friends list.

I'm sad that all of my friends are too busy to play video games with me but I'm glad that means I no longer have to pay the XBL Jew.

>>385489171
What about those that are aware but simply do not give a shit about the fee?
Just get a fucking job, it's not that much money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>385515526

>>385515505
>one day or one week sales affected whole 2 years worldwide sales from all the world
>one bundle even has the same price
>Fifa, CoD, Madden bundles somehow don't count

> it;s going to be behind
But it's not. We are talking about things that exist not your dreams.

>>385515241
They're doing the same thing with horizon now

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-4-500GB-Black/dp/B01GVQVQH2/ref=dp_ob_title_vg?th=1

Is there even a valid reason why they're bumping up the price of PS+?

>>385515424
>>385515442
>>385515481
>>it's literally ok
Fuck no. But they didn't make it the standard.
Microsoft introduced it. Sony made it standard. And Nintendo followed.

They're all to blame. But the way you're trying to shift blame off of Sony is truly disgusting. They unquestionably were the ones who made it standard.

>>385515572
>I've got housemates with the ps4 and it's ALL cod/fifa/gta on their friends list.

And all my friends have Uncharted 4 as much as they have CoD:MW. Your point?

>>385515736
>>Fifa, CoD, Madden bundles somehow don't count
Those bundles are more expensive than the console on it's own. They're doing the exact same thing at the moment, but this time's it's horizon. >>385515739

>>385515801
Honestly just pretty sure you're lying, I'm not commenting on the quality of the game but it's blatantly untrue. A lot probably own it but they only play cod/fifa/gta

>>385515781
>They're all to blame. But the way you're trying to shift blame off of Sony is truly disgusting

No you fucking retard. MS made it standard, Sony and Nintendo followed it. All are to blame, but MS the most. You have some Sony analpain though.

>>385488943
MS has fucked over their customer base again. I got the $500 xbone shortly after it was released. Like all of the early consoles, it broke. MS wants another $130 to fix it. I told them to fix it for free or I'm unplugging it. They said $130. I unplugged it and haven't played it again since. MS fucked me on the 360 and they fucked me on the xbone. MS has alienated a big portion of their customer base and I will not go back. Look at eBay. There and hundreds of xbones being sold for parts. It's inexcusable for MS not being able to produce a product that actually works. I hope that there are others out there who hate Xbox as much as I do.

The new xbone does 4K. Who gives a shit? THey have lost this generation in epic fashion

>>385500446
>monthly free games are alright too.
Yeah, free. Like, pay for thing and get it for free.

>>385515895
>MS made it standard
No they introduced it. Which is arguably just as bad or worse even. But they did not make it standard.
One of three doing something is not standard.

>>385515526
this

>>385516019
again >>385515442

>>385515872
And I think you are lying. What now? You have some proof of that?
>>385515830
Uncharted 4 bundles were more expensive too, except for short period of times and only in certain countries.
Those bundles are more expensive than the console on it's own
Not really:
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-home-entertainment/gaming/gaming-consoles/sony-slim-500-gb-fifa-17-dualshock-4-v2-wireless-controller-bundle-10158545-pdt.html?awc=1599_1501334705_41ce273b079a8d34d7cea60245fd7321&srcid=369&xtor=AL-1&cmpid=aff~TechRadar~Editorial%20Content~103504&awid=103504

What now?

>>385486912
Because they won't. They don't like it but will never be pissed off enough to boycott

This is the result of rampant consumerism, no one can boycott because they don't fucking work

>>385488857
Yeah, but there is no filter on PC though. So there are about 12 and a half billion korean grindan MMOs with shitty cash shops.

>>385516019
They introduced it and Xbox owners made it standard for buying this anon.

>>385486912
Because people are a bunch of crackheads and need their fix, whether it costs them more than they should pay or not.

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>>385515526
Why do PC users need to spread the stench of their rancid fedora?

>>385516215
Not him but does it even fucking matter who started the bullshit? The fact that its now on both major console makers and you guys are bitching about who did it first and whose more evil than one another. Online access should be fucking free

>>385515980
Well if you pay for X things you pay for it and if Y thing is added for it you don't. I think it's simple.

>>385516215
MS used it as a way of selling hardware at a huge loss and making money in the long run. Sony is using it as a way of pocketing free money. It's very different.

>>385516093
3 platforms holders.
One is less than two. Not standard.
Two is more than one. Standard.
>mental gymnastics

>>385516298
There is never an opportunity to get those two products separately regardless

It'd be different if they were separate entities like "get online separately from games" but since you don't and you have to purchase them in one package and there is no other option, you are paying for free games

Its the same thing with a car. Dealership sells you a car and says "I'll throw in a free warranty" but its not free because you're paying for it.

>>385516019
>But they did not make it standard.
when the Xbox 360 was absolutely dominating the ps3 back in 2007 was when it became standard.

For 40$ price I get over 24 games per year, many discounts and access to physical copies which I can sale, rent or exchange with friends without problems. Sure I would prefer to play without subscription but it's not that terrible deal especially considering fact that console hardware cost less than PC. I understand that it's great shitposting ammo for PC autists now though.

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>>385516484
>the Xbox 360 was absolutely dominating the ps3 back in 2007
Trying to rewrite history are we?

Not really boycotting, but I've no reason to pay for those services.

Sure it would be nicer for everyone if companies dropped the subscription fees, but you know that's never going to happen.

>>385516359
>MS used it as a way of selling hardware at a huge loss and making money in the long run

What a retarded excuse. Also you have to post source on that hot news.

>>385516484
The Xbox only ever sold in America.

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>>385493195
>August for Xbone
Slime Rancher
Trials Fusion
>August for PS4
Just Cause 3
Asssins Creed Freedom Cry

>>385516359
>at a huge loss
i refuse to believe they ran a ''huge loss'' on the 360

>>385516665
>>385516816
>being this underage
nobody had a ps3 until 2009 when the slim released with the pricedrop, even europe was 360 country in that time
http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/12/sonys-ps3-a-sinking-ship-sales-plummet-sne?international=true&r=US&IR=T

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>>385516887
>ignoring bayonetta and red faction

>>385516402
>There is never an opportunity to get those two products separately regardless

I don't know what mental gymnastics you try to use now but you can actually get online separately from games. You don't have to download them. You pay for access for online, not for games. Same like if you buy car and dealership decide to add winter tyres for it. You pay for car not additional tyres.

>>385516956
The 360 was more powerful than the PS3, came out a year earlier, and was way cheaper. How do you think they did that without selling it at a huge loss?

>>385517092
>2 360 games
we are discussing next gen games kiddo

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>>385516887
>games we all already purchased many years ago
>good deal
They're both absolute trash. I'll give it to Microsoft though. At the very least they let you keep your mystery box. It's still nothing but trash though.

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>>385517175

>>385516359
>MS used it as a way of selling hardware at a huge loss and making money in the long run

So can I use the same autistic excuse from ass for Sony? They got huge loss with PS3 so they had to add online payment for next console. What now?

>>385517070
>nobody had a ps3 until 2009 when the slim released with the pricedrop
And even in spite of that, people didn't buy Xboxes outside of America. The Xbox did in no way dominate.

>>385486912
because I'm not poor

$50 a year like wow

>>385517228
Bayonetta is selling for £14.99 on Steam right now. That's 3 months of XBL Gold. 360 games have actual value kiddo.

>>385517169
>I don't know what mental gymnastics you try to use
Are you fucking retarded?

Offering something for free is when you offer a product or service that wasn't previously had with a service for no extra cost. That is where it would be free

but since Sony NEVER offered their PS+ service with any separate package or never offered a service without the free games and suddenly the free games got added on. You're always paying for those games regardless if Sony says they're free

For 60 dollars a year you get Online access and 3 games a month. There is no objective way you can claim that you somehow pay 60 dollars for online functionality and then magically you get 3 free games with it because the games were always apart of the online package you are always paying for it

>you pay for access not for games
you're paying for both I don't know where you think you're magically not paying for the games akin to being free

>You pay for the car not additional tires
Snow tires aren't apart of the initial package, the warranty is. Tires are extra, the warranty isn't it comes with the car, you're paying for it

so a dealership saying "well I'll give you a free warranty" hes lying to do. You already get that warranty with the cost of your car, you're paying for it regardless

>>385517380
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-sales-top-8-million-in-europe/1100-6202709/

>>385517497
pedantry

>>385517461
and my local cex has it for 3 bucks

>>385486912
beats me

>>385517497
>Offering something for free is when you offer a product or service that wasn't previously had with a service for no extra cost. That is where it would be free

No, that's not what "free" means. You are retard.

>you're paying for both

So why people here constantly say I pay so much for online? I don't, I pay for games too. Online is not that expensive.

>>385517746
this

>>385517497
>""""""free games""""""
Can't play them anymore the second your subscription run out.

>>385517175
>selling it at a huge loss

Post source on that. Nobody cares about your predictions out of ass.

>>385517518
This just shows that the Xbox did poorly just like the PS3, only that it did somewhat better.
Meanwhile in Asia it fucking bombed.

There was no Xbox domination. And it never improved from that point either.

>>385486912
Gaming is a hobby for children and manchildren with the mentality of children. Children haven't learned maturity or patience yet. Therefore they don't have the capacity to be patient while they protest paid online.

It's simple.

>>385517834
>Can't play them anymore the second your subscription run out.

I can by expanding my subscriptions. Also why should I replay old games for infinite times? There is shitton of new games.

>>385517746
>So why people here constantly say I pay so much for online? I don't, I pay for games too. Online is not that expensive.
You do. You pay for both Neverf are you getting something for free with any of it

For 60 dollars you pay for online and games, the games aren't free no matter how you spin it

>Online is not that expensive
Who fucking cares how much it costs, its the fact that it costs anything when previously the service was completely free and then suddenly it cost money but its not getting any better.

Suddenly you go from PS3 with free online to PS4 with paid online but the service didn't get any better

>>385517930
>Also why should I replay old games for infinite times? There is shitton of new games.
underage go and stay go

>>385486912
Gamers are spineless twats that can never stick to their guns. Every attempted boycott has resulted in them just buying the game anyway and lining the pockets of companies that know they can fuck you as hard as they want and you'll never do anything about it. The campaign would never get off the ground.

Bonus: normies. Most people play games on consoles because it's easy plug and play. They just see it as another cost that they've always had to pay since they started playing games. It isn't a problem, it's the norm.

>>385517930
>if I pay more I get to indirectly "keep" my "free" games I paid for

>>385518056
No, I payed 20$ for online service and 20$ for games per year. 20$ is probably less than I pay for electricity for my PC. Don't know where you got 60$ suddenly.
>>385518060
Only underage person is you anon. Even if I was basement dweller living with parents like you I wouldn't have time to repeat old games constantly, while playing new. When you grow up and get system that can play new games you will understand.

>>385487478
The funniest thing about it is when they say that the cost is justified to maintain "the servers" in their p2p based game.

>>385518163
>If I pay for car and get watch that means I payed for watch too

>>385518263
>I payed 20$ for online service and 20$ for games per year.
Then its not free you fucking mongoloid

>20 dollars less than the electricity I pay for my PC
so your PS4 uses no electricity?

>don't know where you got 60 dollars
thats the MSRP on PS+ for a year.

>you're underage, I enjoy not playing games I got for free by paying a fee for it

Online cost for PC: 0 dollars
Online cost for PS+ which gets you otherwise free services like VOIP, Online connectivity, etc: 60 dollars a year

>its better because I paid for it!

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>>385518328
>watch

>>385487126
>>>/r/Masterrace
Because a Console is cheap and can run games without the cost of up keep, while also being decent in general. Plus It has exclsives , plus games that PC already have weather or not it's not optimized for it.

>>385518326
I find it funny that apparently their server costs before PS4 must have been free because they didn't charge online fees for it

Despite the fact that Steam has over 120 million users and thats been free since before PS3

>>385488340

The new Killer Instinct is trash just like you.

>>385518467
>the cost of upkeep
so paying for online and electricity don't count as upkeep?

>it has exclusives
so does PC?
>plus games that PC already has
PC also has games that PS4 already had. PC has significantly more exclusives and a significantly larger library.

>>385518374
>Then its not free you fucking mongoloid
Indeed. And you fucking retard?
>so your PS4 uses no electricity?
PS4 has lower power consumption than PC playing games.
>thats the MSRP on PS+ for a year.
No, it's not. I payed 40$ for it last month. 20$ for online and 20$ for games which as you say are not free so I spilt costs in half.

>>385518328
Yes, you did. If you get a "free" watch with your car, then that means the cost of the watch was included in the cost of the car.

>>385518594
>Indeed. And you fucking retard?
You're fucking retarded for calling it free before >>385517169

>>385518650
So I said they cost now like you were claiming you fucking wasted oaf. You can't say online cost 50$ where it also have games included. What's your problem still retard?

>>385491112

>inability to socialize with or compete against other human beings master race reporting in

>>385510834
Shittersoft basically made the practice a standard and were even more cancerous about it until Plus' business model forced them to be less faggoty.

>>385518541
>PC also has games that PS4 already had. PC has significantly more exclusives and a significantly larger library.

Yeah, but not everyone cares about them. Why PC autists can't stand the fact that people don't want their shitty games?

>>385518541
The subscription shit as stupid as it is can be easily subsided for just buying a year long subscription. PC does has exclsives, but I'm fairly sure that it either will come to either Console, has done so already, or just has stayed as an exclusive, that's the case with most PC exclsives that becomes popular with a few exceptions. The Argument about about the ratio of games either PC has or PS4 is debatable.

There nothing wrong with Consoles at all yes there are flaws but it's really nothing to cry about

>>385512542
pubg reaches 400k concurrent players almost everyday. i played cod on xbox360 in 2012 and it hardly reached that much. they dont even show players counts now.

>>385518474
If you remember, PS3 was the laughing stock of online consoles, everybody said 360 had way better online infrastructure, not because of VoIP, and nobody ever uttered the word P2P, but because they literally said the online was more stable and less laggy because of DEDICATED servers. I remember that mantra like the back of my hand because it was always shoved at my face for defending free online with the PS3.

So who's right? Xbros from decades ago or tech wizards on /v/ who think organized, and efficent online infrastructures run on good intentions alone. Why did Microsoft ever start it?

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>>385518594
>PS4 has lower power consumption than PC playing games.
When the PS4 plays games it uses 140 watts
source: http://wololo.net/2016/11/25/ps4-energy-consumption-much-ps4-costs-can/

lets say for a moment you play two hour per day for 7 days times 52 weeks = 728 hours

(140 watts * 728 hours)/1000 = about 51kwh per year * average cost per kWh (12 cents) = 12 dollars per year in electricity + what ever your TV uses

Take my PC which is pic related which is easily considered an enthusiast build and is definitely not typical uses an estimated 440 watts times that same 728 hours = only 38 dollars a year to run in comparison. Tack on your PS4's 60 dollar fee and you're paying MORE for upkeep than I do on my computer.

>>385518828
No you claimed that you weren't paying for the games, you were paying for online which directly implies the games were free.

>>385518946
>those games don't count because I think they're bad and no one cares about them.

>>385519243
>>DEDICATED servers

>hybrid servers

>>385519243
>everybody said 360 had way better online infrastructure,
literally cognitive dissonance and purchasing rationalization

They only feel it was better because they were paying for it and any kind of dissonance meant the opposition was a shill or lying. Typical circular reasoning akin to cognitive dissonance

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>>385487126
setting up a PC sounds like a chore to the average person. buying a console is easier

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>>385486912

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>>385519601
children are just dumb

>>385519658
>>385519601
must have worked because PC COD does have dedicated servers from MW2 and onward

>>385519687
>dedicated
HYBRID SERVERS

>>385486912
I protest by not playing online on shitty console

>>385519819
>muh hybrid servers
more buzzwords from retards

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>>385486912
People only have so much energy. At the end of the day we have our own lives and have to go do shit. Whereas these companies stand to gain immensely from this, it's their 24/7 obligation to push for this. Even if we fight them off the first time, they'll be back again with a new coat of paint until eventually we just don't have the numbers to fight back. So it's different from just the poor business practices present in a single game.

The only way people can dedicate themselves to it is when things get really terrible. Of course, government and mega corporations are experts at making things awful-but-livable. People can't work up the motivation for this. Unless we find something legally that we can contest, then hire a lawyer.

>>385519868
>go to /g/
>claim cod has dedicated servers
>get laughed back to /v/
do it faggot

>>385510969
>pc has no games
When will this meme die? There are 16k games on steam alone, not counting all the games that aren't on it.

>>385521150
the entire steam store is full of iphone tier games

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>>385511530
sony/nintendobros:
>actually discussing games

mustard race:
>shitting on each other other because muh hardware
>discussing early access shit like pu shitting grounds and undertale

>>385512542
Thats just blatantly false.

>>385486912
It's okay when sony does it

>>385487128
Cod is fun with friends!

>>385523691
Black ops 2 on ps3 right now has 40k people playing, more than multiplayer games on steam apart from the big 3. Hell, games that are released have like 20k players on a playerbase of a gazillion PC players.
Normie games on PC cannot compare to normie games on console.

>>385486912
Because the only way to "protest" against having to pay for Xbox Live during the 7th gen was playing online games on the absolutely pathetic PS3 or Wii networks.
All that time spent playing Halo 3 online on my 360 was definitely worth what I paid in membership.

>>385526243
Congrats on paying monthly for a goddamn P2P game dipshit.

>>385486912
well I for sure won't be paying for that shit, also normies buy most consoles so they get like the first year they own it the internet and then only more if they still play cod or something

>>385512769
well games die way faster on console

>>385525236
im sure it is, but we shouldn't have to pay to play with those friends.

>>385526837
You're right. But honestly what can be done? You can't reach out to people and say stop playing.

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>>385519581
And it is. Building mine was a fucking nightmare and I wish no one else will ever have to go through that experience

>RAM didnt simply click in had to apply a bunch of force
>Sound didnt work
>Trying to get the heatsink on my cpu
>Heatsink screws fell off the device
>Mother board had a faulty ram slot so I needed to order a new one and rebuild the entire fucking thing
>$1700 for indie shit and shitty watered down console ports

Fuck PC gaming.