>best equipment is only obtainable through a casino

>get the strongest weapon after killing the hardest and strongest side boss

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>the best item in the game can be easily lost if you don't follow a set of very specific instructions that could never be inferred without a strategy guide

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>best upgrade mats are from a rare drop on a rare spawning enemy

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>Best equipment is only obtainable by dodging lightning 200 times in a row

>>385479364
That fucking jacket in fable 2. All i wanted was to look like the cover dude.

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hows that pokedex coming?

>>385479364
>f2p Game
>best equipment is only obtainable through a casino
>Its a stupidly low percent to get this stuff
>You can't even strait up pay for this stuff
>Its stupidly powerful and you'll never really win unless the other guy is a dunce.

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>Best weapon in the game is available after you defeat all the bosses without taking damage

>>385479364

>Best equipment can only be gotten through lootboxes

>>385479593
What is: Zodiac spear

>>385479923
I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE CHESTS BRO

>>385479364
>>best equipment is only obtainable through a casino

Pokemon's best TMs.

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>best equipment can only be found if you create your character at a specific time

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>>385479364
>best equipment is only obtainable by spending real cash
>second best equipment isn't strong enough to finish the game

>Best weapon can only be acquired after killing the last boss in new game+

>>385479748
Didn't they just give you that Porygon?

>>385479659
>best weapon is only obtainable by completing a race in 0.0 seconds

>>385480274
maybe in the newer games I dont know, but in R/B/Y it was 999 casino coins

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>>385479923
>read about it on the internet
>have already fucked it up
>"don't worry you can still loot it from a chest later in the game"

>chest has 10% chance to appear
>10% chance it contains an item
>10% chance that the item is this weapon

>>385480274
The easiest way to get Porygon is to do the rare candy glitch on something like Gold Nugget or Ultra Ball and sell all of them for a shit ton of cash and then just buy all the coins you need from the casino

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>>385480396
>read about it on the internet
>Have already fucked it up

Anima from FFX for me

>>385480372
No, I just misremembered.

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>Best weapon is just the max upgraded version of the weapon you started with
>You never used the starting weapon as soon as you got something better

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>>385480261
>there is no new game++

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>Best weapons are found past the point of no return.
>When you beat the game and continue you start before you enter the point of no return.

>all of the secret items, secret party members party members, optional bosses and lore explanation are at the bottom of an optional dungeon filled with puzzles, stronger versions of normal enemies and no a single save point

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>best weapon is only obtainable by speedrunning

>>385479364
>best equipment has very limited durability and can't be repaired

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>save scum in DQV's first casino
>headroom to play with monsters I like instead of monsters I need

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>best equipment is only available by playing the game

>Optional characters have no impact on the main story.

>>385480781
What is: FFVIII

>>385480832
SLIME KNIGHT NIGGA

>the item you need to achieve 100% can only be obtained at NG++

>>385480746
what game? it sort or reminds me of that pit in ttyd but i think you could save every 10.levels or so.

>>385480940
I was thinking of Excalibur II in FFIX.

>>385480507
You can miss Anima?

>>385480896
>optional character steals all your shit and leaves the party

>Best weapon in the game can only be gotten by autistic pixel hunts.
>Nowhere else in the game are you told this is a thing.

>>385480896
I don't think I've played a game where optional characters HAVE an effect on the main story.

>>385480050
You can just buy those.

>best weapon makes the game so easy it stops being fum

>>385481049

If you are relatively stupid you can miss a treasure in the cloisters, This is particularly deadly on the remake because of Dark Aeons.

If you are completely retarded you /can miss/ the Bevelle treasure. Just walk the fuck by it.

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>>385481040
I was thinking of Excalibur II, too. I thought that was VIII

>Santier's Spear

>>385481141
not in earlier games
shit like thunderbolt, flamethrower, were casino only

>Aquire best equipment in the game. It has durability stats and ends up never used.

>>385480250
What game tho?

>>385481296
>best weapon is actually your fists

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>>385481198

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>best weapon is acquired after you 100% the game so there's no point

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>Able to get some of the best accessories at the start of the game by playing the pinball machine for like 2 hours.

>>385481296
Glass sword in FF adventure. I mean it's fair game against the last boss, but untill then it's shelved.

>best weapon only appears if you don't kill any enemies except bosses until a certain point in game

>>385481296
>Autists who never use consumables

But why though? The only games that are hard enough that resource management is even an issue are usually old school Roguelikes and CRPGs and they teach you not to horde shit real fucking quick.

>>385481520
I'm curious, which game?

>>385481272
Yes, you could buy them then. You didn't have to play the casino games, you could just spend Pokedollars on the coins to buy them.

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>Weapons don't matter because the main character gets a different skill set when fighting the last boss

>>385481375

>Pretty much every RPG That uses Weapon Damage Multipliers ever.

Why do developers forget that it doesn't matter if something does shit for base damage if it has 0 delay and scales massively?

>Get the best weapon possible for the yandere animu girl character

>It's a toy hammer

What is japan's obsession with oversized toy hammers?

>>385481674

Iji. Nets you the lovely MASSACRE.

None of these ever happened in a game

>>385481621
But anon what if I need that megalixir later?

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>best equipment is some gaudy looking shit
>aesthetic gear is the worst in the game

>>385481385
That's why you should just get vorpal blade so you you can play pretend like you're Strider Hiryu without (completely) trivializing the game.

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>>385479364
>best powerup in the game is the one that summons a clone of yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1vUrHKvH3o

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>>385481858
>game lets you use aesthetic gear purely for aesthetics while using the best equipment's stats

>>385481732
I really love RPGs where you can exploit skills in obscure ways to create gamebreaking combinations. My ideal RPG would have no levelling to boost stats, just a metric fuckton of skills and customization.

>>385480178

Fucking monster hunter with its charm table bullshit!

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>>385479618

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>>385481714
Final boss uses a completely different combat system from the rest of the game so all that preperation was for nothing.

>>385480494
>The easiest way to get something is cheat
Wow you don't say!

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>>385481858

>Best looking gear is mid level stuff
>High level gear is over-designed gaudy shit

I feel like this is every single MMO ever.

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>kill mimic
>it drops a chest
>the chest is another mimic

>>385482064

I've noticed that RPGs that come close to what you describe have a bad habit of requiring overgrinding to get anywhere. No clue why.

>Rarest crafting materials in the game are dropped by monsters that run away from combat after the first turn.

>immune to sleep

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>Most powerful weapon in the game is gotten fairly early but has an incredibly limited amount of ammo in the entire game
>Thanks to how it works it's nearly useless against the final boss

>>385482276
ffxiv does that with the palace of the dead. then the chest it drops explodes.

>>385479456

>You have to beat the final boss once to unlock said bonus boss, making the weapon truly worthless.

>the only way to get the best build is to grind for days
=cheating time

>>385482064
this please... and acquire new skills through exploration and other organic means

>>385479364
>save best weapons and items for the final boss
>it's a bunch of QTEs in a cutscene

>have to beat minigame to beat game
>minigame is extremely difficult but can be beaten extremely quickly if you're quick enough

based frank's adventure 3 and 4

>best equipment is in bonus dungeon that can take longer than the rest of the game

>>385482086
This is why I never beat FFIV. I grind here so long that I get frustrated and quit.

Seems autistic, but there it is.

>>385482919
I'm glad I never knew about them as a kid so I didn't spend forever trying to farm them.

>>385482980
Same, but the final area was also too hard for me as a little kid. Fuck, need to go back to that game.

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>>385479593
let me increase the stakes
>Game is impossible to 100% if you don't do 2 side missions in a specific order halfway through the game
>the games takes easily 120 hours to complete
>At no point in the game is this hinted and it's only done for those 2 missions.

>>385479923
The biggest fuck you in all JRPGs

>>385483090
what geimu?

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>>385479364

>Weapon is exclusive to a casino
>It's shit

Fuck you, Porygon.

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>>385483304
a game where the main character is a meme villain and uses a pizacutter as main weapon.

>game has a rare drop that basically breaks the game
>get it from normal play

>>385481242
>a weapon is good
>it gets nerfed

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>beat the game without killing anyone
>unlock a massively powerful weapon

>beat the game without being seen
>unlock an invisibility suit

>beat the game without taking damage
>unlock armour that makes you invincible

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>game has an annoying casino/gambling side feature element
>huge amounts of goodies and upgrades and unlocks and whatnot locked behind the minigames
No ordinary way to exploit the system quickly for repeat playthroughs

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>Fork in the road
>You go the right way that leads to a cutscene/boss fight and the door closes behind you
>Your last save was a while ago

>Thief character joins party way late in the game.
>Easiest enemy in first area has a stealable item that can be sold for 999,999 money.
>Get infinite money from easy stealing.

Wild Arms Alter Code F was weird.

>game never explains what an ability does
>don't use it
>look it up years later
>there are ridiculous strats around it

>>385481198
I'm fine with this as long as it comes near the end of the game. I'm already at the end, why not have some game breaking fun?

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>>385479364
>Get Strongest weapon near end of game
>No new game plus

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>Best equipment is a reward for killing secret bonus boss who is by far and away harder than anything else in the game

>>385483568
bc mgs is a sandbox game and your actual reward is fucking with the AI

>>385479364
>equipment that fits your characters style sucks dog dick
ES and Fallout are the worst about this. There should never be armor that is by far the best choice for every single build. I hate having to choose between lobster looking Daedric armor and being suboptimal.

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>game has a durability system

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>spend hours doing sidequests to recruit tons of party members, power them all up, and get them the best equipment
>final boss is 1v1

>>385483414
Also from that game
>you can only hold a limited number of mission reward items
>can usually get a lot of these from multiple missions or doing the same mission again
>some of these items are required for missions that don't become available until the post game
>these required items are gone forever if you decide to dump them
>know way to know which is which without a guide

>>385482057
I think this was the only thing I liked in the Division. Stats and aesthetics were separate.

>>385482007
I never understood the hate for this movie

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>>385479364
>casino
Fuck this place.

>>385480494
The easiest way to get porygon is to swipe a copy of PKMN R/B/Y off your friend who has a complete pokedex and wire that shit to yourself and trade it back before he notices anything

>>385481482
I think you mean FF: Legend

>>385481812
It's cute and tropey. Japanese like cute things and they love tropes far more than western peeps

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>>385483662
somewhat related
>fork in the road
>take a path that goes to another floor
>backtrack
>take the other path
>it's a mid-dungeon save point
>probably leading to a boss
>backtrack, explore other floor
>treasure box with mundane item
>pic related is where my time went

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>game is mission based
>try to do every available side mission before the next one in the main quest line
>realise too late that this is not the intended means of play and you unlock 50% of the available content (classes, races, items) well after you've completed 90% of the content.

Fucking FFTA2

>Item sells for more than you bought it for

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>Told that any item in the game could be relevant to progress.
>There's a heavy item that's worthless for progress

>>385483696
I'm OK with this any time after 50%. If possible per the game's design, I'll challenge myself to get it as soon as possible, which is fun.

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>do all the sidequests
>game is super easy because you have tons of experience and money

>don't do sidequests
>game is two hours long

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>quest items take up regular inventory space

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>>385479364
>every Dragon Quest game
>reach Casino
>feel compelled to grind
>gain no joy
>find the easiest most brainless way to do it so I can watch something else
>lose interest in game shortly after decking my characters out in sweet gear

Why do I do this to myself?
Why do games have Casinos when they're not even fun?

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>>385484335
>You can't discard the quest items even after finishing the quest.

>>385483730
>ultra-difficult bonus boss only rewards you with an item indicating that you beat it

>>385484489
>ultra difficult boss only conceivably possible to beat using particular strategy A
>reward is useful for when you're leveled for strategy B.

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>>385484476
>it also takes up not just space but weight

>>385483794
literally never fun

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>>385484090
>path splits between lore item and reward
>getting the reward first permanently locks out access to the lore item

>>385484643
Fuck you I liked it in the new Zelda.

What's the most fun way to get the most powerful weapon in the game?

>>385484731
worked in the new zelda since new weapons were always availabe for you

in other games its shitty and usually adds nothing to the game

>>385484775
Alternative dungeon that isn't introduced to you by quest but by your own exploration

>>385484775
not the most powerful "weapon" in the game, but pokemon ruby/sapphire/emerald had some weird puzzles involving the Regi legendaries, where you had to have a very specific mon in your party and also solve braille puzzles.

>>385484090
>fork in the road
>take one way
>long path leading to boss fight
>wander all the way back to the fork later
>head down other path
>other path wasn't a path at all, but a tiny little nook that wasn't filled in on your map exploration
>nothing there besides maybe a barrel.

>>385484164
>enemies only drop a crafting mat after you hit a certain point in the story
>have been grinding for hours when you should have been rushing to that point

>>385479593
FFIX has so many of these it's obscene.

>>385483568
because you can use one reward to get another one.

>>385484775
Monster Hunter does it the best. No single weapon is the most powerful, and even if some are they usually require a ton of time and effort. Not true for all the games, but most. Especially 4U did it right, well except for guild quest farming.

>>385481375
I unironically like FF2 but was a major problem, why use things like weapons when your fists let you do MORE DAMAGE

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>entire game's reward structure is designed around a casino

What's the matter, you don't like spinning the wheel?

>>385484342
>Why do games have Casinos when they're not even fun?
I'm guessing because gambling is illegal in Japan, so it seems exotic or something.

Also, I will say that casino games are fun to code, which probably contributes to the trope.

>>385483725
fucking metro 2033
>get best weapon for free at the end of the game
>have so many good bullets
>final boss is a "puzzle"
>no NG+

>Game is at least 80 hours minimum to do all the content on a normal playthrough.
>It has missables you wouldn't know of without a guide.
>Bonus points if said missables are needed for other content.
There is nothing worse than finding out about those missables. At this point it's better to just google what is missable because some poor soul already had to deal with it.

>>385480494
It's not like the Pokemon casino game was hard, it was weighted to be in your favor.

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>>385484580
>ultra-difficult bonus boss has desirable reward
>requires MULTIPLAYER to beat

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>>385479456
Holy fucking shit. Just remembering DoW2: CR's Martellus betrayal on Primarch is making my blood pressure rise.

>>385481296
Winterized Power Armour after Anchorage in F3

Probably just a bug though.

>>385484731
You trip over weapons constantly in botw. Honestly, you're supporting my point because it makes weapons pretty meaningless in that game.

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>>385479364
>you're required to play poker to progress through the game

Stop, don't do this to me.

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>>385485675
>you're required to play and win a game of mahjong in order to continue

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>Best weapon in the game has no special effects

>>385485796
that shit was the worst in yakuza, my god that took my forever

>>385484775
CT does it nice by having all the best items be unlocked via optional sidequests at the end of the game

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>>385484671
>point in the game where you can choose to pursue bad guy, get caught in a trap and fight a tough boss, but get a special item in the process
>this gets you the bad ending while pulling out of this pursuit gets you the good ending

>>385484856
Yeah, this is essentially the best way. To genericize it, make the player do something or go somewhere (possibly a sequence of things), which someone would skip if they were just breezing through the game.

But don't make it missable forever.

>>385485626
The point of that durability was to encourage you to use multiple types of weapons, so you'll have to learn how to use all of them

>>385484927
This is worst in 2D RPGs where the dead end was just a couple rows of tiles above your field of view. Comic tragedy.

>>385485027
I can't play FFIX without a secrets guide handy. I feel cheated otherwise.

>>385479364
>best equipment is a 1/128 drop from a difficult monster
>this monster always appears with a similar but different monster that won't drop the item
>this is the best item for three people in your party
I wasted so many fucking hours grinding those Star Pendants.

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>>385481621
>Unique items you can never achieve again.
>Unique items you can only achieve if you grind out of your mind to obtain more copies of.
Let's use Final Fantasy Elixirs and Megalixirs for example, when is the proper time to use it outside of XV where it flows from vendors like honey for barely any gil? You barely if ever get anything more than like ten of them through the course of a game for free and they either are a pain in the ass to have drop or buy. How do you justify using one when you could easily just use something like an X-Potion which is much more readily found? What about Megalixirs which are a nightmare to obtain, how do you justify it over a Mega Potion? It's just stuff like that, there's rarely ever a reason to use them in the first place and when you do do you really want to waste such an incredibly rare item for something other items you can easily obtain solve the problem?

>If the game doesn't have some way to fix items with durability it means you don't have a perfect item sitting in storage and it'll break anyway in a handful of uses so why even use it when it's so rare to find?
The only exception to this is Fire Emblem where the entire point is to just trade up weapons and use what you have at your disposal, and it isn't until later games where you have a permanent storage for stuff you can access at any time and don't have to juggle everything.

>>385485796
>>385485865
>That moment when you understand it and it becomes one of your favorite parts of Yakuza playthroughs.
Koi Koi is also a fantastic game once you understand it.

>>385484005
Too weird for a kids movie.

>>385485823
>mentally debating between +20% ATK or HP draining for an hour

>>385482057
Spiral knights, my dude.

>western game
>katana is the best sword

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>>385486796
>tfw it's dead

>>385486446
Why does it matter if the item is rare? Once you beat everything in the game that's it, there's nothing to do. Congrats, you can stare at the mega elixirs in your inventory as much as you want now.

>>385486905
>Why does it matter if the item is rare?
Because it's an item you can only get in limited amounts. You either can't get more or it's almost impossible to get another without grinding forever. I'd rather have the highest amount of that item wasting away in my inventory than ever use them. I feel more fulfilled hoarding rare items than I do wasting them.

>>385479593
some of the equipment in Chrono Trigger where you have to interact with a chest but not open it

like it's possible you could figure out that you'd need to wait since the game gives the opportunity to do so but like, why?

>>385487042
Glad I got that game with the strategy guide. No annoying revelations later in life, just happy memories of replaying the game for rainbow gear.

>>385486827
F-f-f-f-f-Faaaable.

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>>385486827
>Katana is its own outright separate category of weapon

>>385482067
wait what?

>>385483662
my fucking life

>>385487679
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/642342-monster-hunter-3-ultimate/65819530

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>Stats for weapons and armor are randomly generated
>You can reset the game until you get the stats you want
I wasted so many hours doing this while playing Divine Divinity recently.

>>385487564
Well it is so bad they've obviously accounted for the disadvantages of a heavy, short blade without a crossguard

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>>385487936
jesus christ

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>>385480896
>there's more than 20 of them

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>>385484856
This

>>385479923
>>385479593
So much this.

>>385479456
On the same note, FFXII does this too. To get some of the best weapons in the game you'll have already beaten the hardest bosses. But only some to be fair.

>>385481371
Any fucking f2p MMO

>best weapon in the game is only obtainable if you log on every day for a year

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>>385480896
>optional characters have no bearing on the main story but have their own really cool, lengthy sidequests

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>>385488621

bruh, please

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>>385480896

>>385481078
>non-optional party member dies
>their equipment is lost forever

>>385483965
what game

>>385488778
You want some sauce? Too bad I don't remember where I cropped it from.

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>use emulator save states to scum through casinos and all other annoying shit

>>385481203
>tfw missed both

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>>385479659
>Getting any of the best equipment in FFX

>>385488621
>optional characters have no bearing on the main story
>and no side quests
>only the occasional chat with each other
Fucking Fire Emblem. But I guess that's just how it goes when anyone can die.

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>>385489714
>except rikku's
...who i never used

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>best weapon in the game is only obtainable by killing the boss of the optional dungeon, which has FOUR TIMES as many floors as the final dungeon
>said optional dungeon is only available AFTER you beat the final boss

>>385481203
To be fair, I played the game when I was 13. You don't have to have the treasure sphere at the end and there's no indication you can't return to this trial like the rest. I missed Anima my first playthrough.

>>385481139
Not really an effect but there's a lot of games where they expand the world/lore.

>>385479659
Nigga that ain't even hard. Especially not compared to Tidus's bullshit race.

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>>385484335
>playing skyrim
>pick up random amulet of talos from a bandit
>think nothing of it
>depositing items in house
>can't deposit amulet
>"you cannot discard quest items"
>I don't have any quests that require an amulet of talos
>mfw

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>>385489721
>still autistically refuse to let anyone die and restart even if I lose that low level archer no one gives a shit about

>>385479659
only ff 10 weapon I didn't get. Also I'm a master at chocobo, get it in 4 tires or less.

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>best weapon appears early in the game
>but it can only be obtained by finding an invisible chest that only has 1% chance of appearing, 1% chance of containing said weapon, and it can only be retrieved if a certain NPC is standing on a certain location, and if you missed a second or opened a second too early, you'll get a piece of junk

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>>385480050
you can cheese casino through save states

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>>385486897
>devs regurgitate the same cosmetic items every month with different colors for two fucking years as the game slowly dies with no other notable content additions
im still mad

>>385492259
This is too ridiculous to be true. You're just memeing right?

>>385479364
>Casino displays a weapon with the most attack in the game
>Gamble your ass off to get it
>It's actually a ruse actually has something coded into it that makes it so it deals way less damage than what it should.

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>>385490829
I'll do you one better
>Best item in the game is hidden behind a 40 floor dungeon
>It's a one way street with no saves on any of the floors and the only way out is to go back all the way to the top.
>Enemies on the final 10 floors are all what amount to boss level enemies that get multiple turns that can kill a member of your party in only one of their turns even when you're fully maxed out in everything you can be.
>Encounter rate is through the roof, like every five steps, on every single floor.
>It takes something close to an hour or more to go through the floors to reach the final floor if you just skip battles.
>Said boss requires an incredibly specific team to even fight him or you die.
>Requires a certain HP amount or you can't even use the strategy which means fighting the enemies on the last 10 floors and hoping they knock you to the required amount without anyone dying.
>Boss can either instantly kill your entire team on the third turn or heal himself and there's absolutely no way to mitigate it.
>If you fight him normally it's impossible to beat him due to the chance to instantly kill your team every three turns with no way to mitigate it and him healing something like 20,000 HP every turn.
>Even after you beat him the item you get requires you to grind to 999 or 9999 (Can't remember) AP for a single character to learn the skill from the item and the most you can earn in a battle is like 90 from the Metal Slime equivalent.
>New Game+ resets everything including items gained and skills learned.

>>385492519
FF XII, the weapon is called Seitengrat.

>>385492724
What game so I can avoid it?

>>385493056
Lost Odyssey. It's actually pretty fun, the thing I described is a DLC boss (That you can get for free on the JP Xbox store) that's completely optional, but it's nightmarish. The base game's optional content is all incredibly fair.

>>385493126
Oh man, that is one game in my buy list already

>>385492724
Shit like this makes it hard for me to appreciate JRPGS. What does this piece of shit even drop?

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>>385487564
>best obtainable katana is near the end of your play through and you maxed all your other weapons out making it a useless weapon

>good weapon in first 10% of the game
>not very hard to get
>lasts for the rest of the game
>form emotional bond with it
based souls

>>385493532
An item that makes it so spells cost nothing to cast. The dungeon itself also has enemies on the 20-30 floors I think that drop an item with an incredibly low drop rate that makes any magic you cast a dual cast which means it can turn your attacks into a quad cast if I'm remembering right so it makes it much easier to deal with Killalon since you can properly buff yourself with Reflect and still deal damage.

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>>385492724
>40 floors
You're like a little baby
Try all the things you list (bar encounter rate which works differently but you're pretty much forced to fight every enemy encountered if you wanna beat the final floor boss) in a 100 floor dungeon.

>>385493925
The boss is equally as bad? Dear lord.

>>385494076
The boss has slightly less hp that one of the final bosses, you have 3 turns to beat it or the battle ends.
Your very specific party requires a character you lose to the story later on (this dungeon becomes available mid way through the game) and said character has a very specific weapon he can use to halve the hp of any enemy with its "limit break" and you also need another very rare weapon found in this dungeon that has a "limit break" that lets you hit 8 times in a turn, however if you win a certain battle you're supposed to lose earlier in the story you can get this weapon and bring it with you into the cave.
I missed the part where you said the only way out is to beat said cave, in this one you can get out if you obtain a certain item that can only be found past floor 20, if you lose it you're fucked though.

>>385488947
Most likely it's Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. You can easily break the game if you know what you're doing, but goddamn is going for 100% such bullshit.

>>385493675
Halberd was my shit during my first playthrough

>>385492359
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>385494404
You have my condolences. I need to correct one thing though, you can go up to the top floor every 10 floors, you don't need an item or anything for it, but it means having to descend through the whole thing again. That just sounds absolutely insane though, is it even possible to beat it without those very specific things like if you were at endgame?

>>385491259
>not wearing it and pissing off thalmor
20% shout reduction is just a bonus

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>you have to grind every single boss on every single difficulty for hours per boss
>you have to do a forced platforming section, despite it being an isometric action RPG, for dozens of hours with a very slim chance of progressing at the end; it is also very easy to get stuck and forced into resetting
>and you have to go through a gigantic dungeon that takes around 30 minutes to clear and enemies can stun you so hard that you can't even die, forcing you to restart the whole run, and you only have a slim chance of actually getting what you want in the end
>and you have to farm eggs that spawn monsters that drop eggs until you get the egg you want, which takes around 50 hours of grinding if you are lucky, and you don't know which eggs are which so you have to trial and error through at least tens of thousands of them
>and you have to gamble a 1/100000 item in the clumsiest way possible
>then you have to equip a set of items that are fucking awful, causing you to be one-hit killed by everything
>and then you must farm 1 million kills with it; a single death, and the kills reset
>only then can you craft an item that summons the final boss
>you can only summon him once, if you lose to him, you have to start all the way back at grinding every single boss
>the final boss takes about two hours to defeat with the best possible character, and a single mistake can cause death
>only then can you get the best equipment in the game
>the best equipment is only barely better and there is nothing more challenging than the final boss

Diablo 2 mods were a mistake.

>>385494958
I've read that some guy who has done this countless times has done it with the late game party set up but unless you're as invested into the game as this guy I wouldn't really try it.
I should also go into a few specifics: Each floor is randomized every time you enter, so you cannot really map it, the enemies in each floor are random but each floor limits itself to a certain level of enemies (you won't find endgame monsters at floor 1 for example). You lose all your levels, items and spells when you enter this dungeon (you get them back when you exit though) and you have to find new equips and spells in it (You can easily go for 50 floors without a healing spell though) while you grind your way through it (each floor has limited enemies so you can't really stay on a floor with weak enemies and grind safely). The only items you can take in and out of the dungeon are items found in rare blue chests which can either be as godly as end-game items or pretty mediocre but usually going on runs for 20-40 floors to get Blue Chest items and then exiting is recommended until you're fully geared for the final descent, even then the final floor monsters are as bad as you described.

>>385495610
>(You can easily go for 50 floors without a healing spell though)
I think I phrased this wrong. I meant to say you can go through 50 floors without FINDING a healing spell. If you're unfortunate enough that this happens then I suggest you exit the dungeon and try again and I'd also applaud you because you somehow managed to live this long.

>best-looking armor/outfit is a seasonal bonus item

>>385483965
I know you're talking about FFTA, and it happened to me. I dumped either or both of the only two blood apples you can get in the game and thus couldn't do all 300 missions to get Cid. Those missions aren't even repeatable. I was so mad when I found out.

>most fun weapon is a special item reserved only for the last level of the game
>it doesn't carry over to the NG+

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>>385485675
This is why I stopped 100%ing Red Dead Redemption

>>385479364
>only equip in the slot is a 1/128 drop from an enemy that can vanish from the game forever

Poo was a mistake

>best armor is a 1/64 drop from a 1/64 enemy in the final dungeon
>it's the best armor for every party member

I could beat FF4 twenty times over in the time it takes to get 5 Pink Tails

>>385480261
Fucking Bloodborne

The two weapons I liked best, besides my cane, are from the last(ish) boss and the final area of the DLC

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>best item in the game is a missable item that involves a convoluted system you could only figure out with a guide

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>to even have a chance for the item to drop in the first place is based off your characters name

>one of the best weapons is available in the first area

Staraptor is too good for how early it shows up

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>>385485675

>get every achievement in the game except earn $1,000 through poker
>bug in the post game makes it so the AI always pulls out a better hand when playing against Jack Marston

>>385495529
heh great filename
sounds like a nightmare mod

>>385492219
>Get stuck on one particular chapter because I can't git gud
>Finally beat it after hours of repeated attempts
>Somehow I didn't notice one of my characters had died while skipping turns
>Continue onward because I'm too pissed off to restart again and I just want to finish the game
>that dead charter dies (again) as a part of the ending

>>385481812
>What is japan's obsession with oversized toy hammers?

Think Amy from Sonic started the trend.

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>side quest dungeon with best mats and gear in the game locks you out if you progress too far

I played through TLR without using a guide for so long only to take a peek late game and see I fucked myself over

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>>385496003
I still have nightmares about that Five Finger Fillet minigame.

>RNG is a major factor in gearing in end game
>It's a MMO

>>385479835
But then why would you need the best weapon in that instance?

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>>385492337
>pokemon on emulator
>25% game speed
>timing your button presses on the slot machines doesn't work, the wheels just roll pass what you were aiming for

>>385485675
Theres a mobile puzzle game, similar to myst, that makes you play connect 5 against a godly AI. I dont remember the name, you play as a little robot and its really cute

I highly recommend it if someone can remember the name

>>385480583
What is: Polar Star from Cave Story

>1/8192 drop
>find it without trying for it

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>>385497424
>each piece of an armor set has a 2% drop from non-respawning chests
>get whole set on a single play through

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>best equip in the game is shop exclusive only
>dungeon shop exclusive
>in one dungeon in the game
>on the last 9 floors of said dungeon
>the dungeon is 99 floors long
>the dungeon is the hardest dungeon in the game
>shops are very rare on those floors
>the item is extremely rare when the shops appear
>the item has to be stolen because it's so expensive and you can't bring money inside the dungeon
>the shopkeeper instakills you if you try stealing without special items
>you can't overlevel for the dungeon since it sets you to level 1
>if you dont find it it's another 90 minute trip down again

I did like 50 fucking runs before i found the Tight Belt.

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>Early game quesr requires you to get a mid/late game item

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>>385479364
>Regular monsters die too quickly to make it worth wasting a turn to inflict a status effect
>Boss monsters are immune to status effects

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>>385497281
If you're going to try and cheat just use a memory editor and skip the minigame

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>spend hours grinding to get enough gold for a specific item
>you just find it lying in a chest less than ten minutes later

>>385497281
Each slot machine has different odds. go and find the good ones.

>game has gambling skill
>there are only coinslot machines

>Find casino in Ni No Kuni
>Sweet if this is like Dragon Quest I'll get good shit
>Git gud at the wizard card game and get those delicious casino coins
>Can't buy any good equipment

RIP

>>385482057
Assassin creed unity

You put on gear with best stats from different sets wich look shit but you can put a legacy outfit ontop off that and you are good

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>>385497281
>emulating Dark Cloud
>clown holding a large and a small box
>quicksave
>open the small box
>loaf of bread
>load
>open the large box
>loaf of bread
MOTHERFUCKERS

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>Best character can only be unlocked once you 100% the whole game

>best character in the game can only be unlocked by beating a certain mission on very hard or by taking your memory card to a related arcade machine
>it's absurdly hard even on normal and said arcade machine has about 20 english units in existence

>>385501026
What game?

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>>385501820
F-Zero GX. Not-Doctor Eggman is the best racer in the entire game and you need to beat Story Mode Mission 4 on Very Hard to get him

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>Have to beat a ludicrously difficult minigame to collect one of the the game's many unique items
>It's not even the best item

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>>385502842

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>>385493925
>>385494404
>>385495610
>>385495750
Kek, I decided to do a run of this dungeon after posting these a few hours ago(I've done a few scavenging runs to get gear before and I wanted to see if I was ready). This is around floor 95, the dungeon decided to generate a Monster House (Like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon). All of these monsters can easily wipe you if they feel like it, the strongest ones, Gold Dragons, move 3 times per turn and their special attack deals around half my party's hp per cast, they have 2800 hp and I can deal around 1600 per round, they can also come in groups of 3. My only hope is to surprise attack them from behind if I can and rely on instant-death spells (which of course work whenever they want). Also I absolutely NEED to check all those chests because I still haven't found the weapon that grants me the hp halving limit break I have to use on the dungeon boss.

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>costumes can be worn over equipment

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>see a scammer in pirate town offering an overpriced amulet,
>tell him to fuck off since it can be bought later for cheap,
>discover he would have given with the amulet another extremely rare item that would help to get an even rarer one.

Fuck you Secret of Evermore, farming 10 000 money wasn't fun.

>>385479659
The butterfly minigame was more bullshit.

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>>385484476
>you can discard the quest items
>but it makes the game unbeatable
>you can accidentally get rid of it while cleaning out your inventory of useless items

>destroy and collect 10 million blocks
>collect 50 unique figures from monsters, each has a 0.1% drop rate and certain monsters only spawn in certain places you have to hunt down
>collect three pieces of purely cosmetic armor with a 5% chance to be in chests that might not appear in an area that may not even spawn

These are only for achievements, but by god Chucklefish are really trying to pad that playtime with that shit.

>>385479364
>after beating the final boss, there is a 100 floor tower
>at around 50 the enenys start having so much armor you basicly do no damage
>the floor 100 boss is ridiculous hard
>if you beat him you get the best weapon, but at this point you have done everything there is to do
im looking at you Drak cloud

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>Best equipment is only obtainable through killing the final boss

>best sword is at the end of a bonus dungeon
>to get to the end you need 155 Bronze Monster Medals and 164 Silver Monster Medals
>each of the random encounters in the game+some bosses drop these
>cant get a silver medal without a bronze
>more bronze can still drop
>medals are rare to begin with
>only thing to do after getting said weapon is to go for Gold Monster Medals
>doing so makes the final bonus boss fall asleep

Fuck Dragon Quest 3

>>385491259
The best part is that because you did that, it glitches the actual quest you can do for his sister.

>>385482251
That's one thing I love about Disgaea 5, you can change the weapons appearance.

>>385479364
Only available through cash shop loot boxes

>>385480396

the chest is also invisible

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>>385507930
>Started playing Marvel Heroes because I wanted to play some Spider-man.
>Homecoming event adds a bunch of cosmetic stuff from the movie.
>You can only get the Homecoming outfits by paying ludicrous amounts of money.
>The Marvelous loot boxes are only gained at five or six levels only the first time and when each characters hits level 60 once
>Spider-man loot boxes are paid only.
>It takes eight or ten loot boxes to have enough to buy the cheapest Spider-man Homecoming outfit and that's only if you're lucky enough to get enough essences out of it.
>Loot boxes are not guaranteed to give you an outfit
>Each box costs $2.50.
Loot boxes are the worst addition to gaming in a long while.

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>>385480178
>card game
>the decks you can choose from depend on what your name is

>>385509152
I'd always pick Yugi or Kaiba in hopes the game would give me their decks. Eventually I learned

>>385479364
>the best item in the game is obtainable only if you complete the game at 100%.

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>>385479364
>game starts you off with an incredibly weak partner
>you can choose to get rid of them
>if you choose to keep the partner throughout the game then near the end the partner gets a massive stat boost and learns extremely powerful skills

>>385508276
Sounds on par with GW2

>weapon skins purchased by claim tickets
>tickets come from chests you need to purchase keys to unlock or dump a shitload of gold into
>whole tickets are stupid rare, usually get ticket scraps, need 10 scraps to make a whole ticket
>not even guaranteed drops

I opened 100 chests with keys I got from a farming method they have since fixed and I got enough to purchase maybe 3 items. There are something in the range of a few hundred skins from tickets now with fuck all being added to the actual game. Quit not long after.

>>385479364
>items drops determined by character's name and time of day (lol beat time)
I fucking love PSO and I get that it fostered trading that way, but man, fuck this shit so hard!

>>385482057
Thanks, Dead Space 2

>>385508276
Microtransactions in general have gotten completely out of control.

People keep supporting it though, so what can you do? People love wasting their money, myself included on the odd occasion.

There are games which charge you price of an entire expansion, or even a full game, for a single character. Humanity needs to go extinct already, honestly.

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>>385482370
that's why you keep the cat in the party.

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>>385485203
Quit DFO about a year ago and never looked back. I don't understand how people can honestly enjoy this game.
>need really powerful gear to participate in the game's raid
>said gear is obtained from a game mode where drops are complete random
>most of the time you won't get anything at all
>the drop pool is filled with gear from all the classes so you will get gear and equipment that your class can't even use

>finally get the gear to participate in raid
>the raid rewards are even more powerful gear but with a shittier drop rate

>>385509974
>There are games which charge you price of an entire expansion, or even a full game, for a single character.
Marvel Heroes has this exact problem. War Machine and Black Cat are locked behind either $20 or $40 paywalls and the only thing you get is the character and I think a single loot box. Spidey on his own costs $15 or something close to that. The worst part is that the five minutes I spent on the official forums looking for a build has people defending the price of characters and saying the rate of 1 Eternity Splinter (F2P currency for buying characters) every eight minutes was fair when characters like Spidey and Iron Man cost 750 shards. Do the math on that one.. I was absolutely dumbstruck, it's ridiculous that anyone defends this nonsense and then they have the gall to also charge for costumes.

>>385480746
Final Fantasy VI?

>>385508276
>The Skullgirls mobile game
I tried for Peacock, but it's just loaded down with the most heinous of business practices. That entire game has been nothing but a fucking shitshow being milked for all that it's worth since its inception (not just the mobile game).

>Game allows you collect several very powerful weapons
>If you collect all of the weapons they unlock a third phase in the final boss fight
>The weapons all become powered up during this final phase
Tales of Vesperia did some cool shit.

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>>385497754
>complete a quest
>the reward is a piece of shit weapon with laughable stats
>trash it
>get another quest later on in the game
>need that piece of shit weapon from earlier to complete it
>the reward for this quest is an actually good piece of armor

>>385485357
>worry so much about missing things that you end up playing with a 100% guide open from the start and ruin all the fun
t. Me in every rpg.

>>385487042
>>385487213
I missed this for like around 20 years.
At best it's a minor annoyance, there are better armor in the game, at worst you miss out on Marle's best weapon, Chrono's second best weapon, and the best male armor in the pre-NDS versions.

>>385481008
Golden sun series

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>find secret passage
>go through a secret dungeon
>fight an optional boss
>the reward is a weapon worse than what you can buy at any shop

>>385485426
999 coins is still bullshit.

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>>385479364
>Get the strongest weapon after beating the strongest enemy

>>385485986
>going through the difficult bonus area gets you the worst ending because you abandoned your quest

>>385480540
You actually get Porygon for free in Platinum, in Maylene's city

>>385509974
>Microtransactions in general have gotten completely out of control.

Which was pretty predictable because games with them are pretty much store fronts with a game included. Since their inclusion games were never not going to be designed around maximising the amount players will spend.

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>fighting game
>character colors are randomly obtained from an RNG fishing game which requires in-game currency to play
>or you can just buy them all with real money

>best equipment in the game forces you to jump on an enemy 100 times in a row with near perfect timing
>game is piss easy even without it
Damn my need to 100% everything.

>>385503815
>Speed, Sting, Lance, and Fire Power
>The dark forest
Why does this game hate people so much?

>>385504902
>You can hold a limited number of items
>useless ocarina takes up a slot, store it with animal companion
>beat the final boss and save
>stuck forever because hero needed the ocarina to save heroine otherwise she will kill him

Fuck Lunar.

>>385511593
>character colors
Who gives a fuck?

>>385511237
Red version has it at 9999 coins for no reason.

>>385512029
me

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>best equipment can only be made with the starting weapon

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>>385479364
>online game has monthly updates
>the updates are ONLY adding new gachapon lottery content and nothing else

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>>385501026
>>385502379
>There was actually a F-Zero AX machine at an arcade my dad would sometimes take me to when I was a kid
>Forgot to bring my memory card every single time I went there
>Moved to a different country
>Find out that AX machines are rare as fuck
>To this day I'm still too shit at GX to unlock any of the AX characters

>>385479618
I said fucked this on Earthbound and proceeded to hack the game for the best items.
No fucking way I'll grind Starmen in a single place for 4 hours.
im too old to do that shit.

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>Item is found midway through main questline
>Base-damage scales with your level
>Best version of weapon is when you are max-level
>Can not re-obtain weapon after getting it at a lower level

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>best shit is locked behind tedious and hidden side quest
>So are all followers except for the first one
>They all have major impact on the game.

>>385514726
What game?

>>385509320
What did you learn?