dark souls iii was trash

>>385448573
All souls games are trash.

Switch 3 with 1

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have fun desu

>>385448573
des>1>3>bb>>>2

>>385448969
/thread

Get ready for Dark Souls IIII though

Hey look it's this fucking thread again

DkS>DeS>BB>3>2

>>385448573
But you can't roll forever, take sippys instantly, and spam r1 to win in the others!

>>385450749
Wouldn't it be IV?

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>>385450749
>not D4rk Souls

Wrong

What happened to actual souls threads.

Those were fun.

>>385450831
Bou can block forever, sippys are OP as fuck, and you can spam r1 just as much as in DaS3. Same shit.

>WAHH MAGIC AND ROLLING ARE OP!!!! SHIT GAME HOW COULD THEY DO THIS
Do you faggots get mad at chess for not stopping you from throwing the board and declaring victory? If it breaks the game don't fucking use it, lmao

>>385448573
they're all the same

>>385451306
wait I thought 3 was the one that DIDN'T have op magic?

>>385451249
>DS2&1
>block forever
Nope
>OP sippy
Only in DS3
>Spam r1
Enjoy getting raped

>>385450749
Keep dreaming faggot, the Bamco contact is done and Memezacki is literally head of the company now, there wont be a DaS4 until they are desperate and bleeding money, and thanks to the fame Souls gave FROM, there is no chance that is happening this next decade.

TLDR; Never ever.

>>385451395
Yeah, for some reason, Fromsoft thought that tying your damage output to the amount of Estus Shards and Undead Bone Shards you find was a good idea.

1 > DeS > BB > 3 > 2

1>3>Des>BB>>>>>2

>>385448573
two is absolute shit

>>385451573
>I like to post bullshit on the Internet

>>385451467
What are you talking about? Maybe my play style just changed but I found myself relying on blocking way more in DS1 than in 3.

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>there are people who unironically defend the absolute laziness that is Dark Souls 2

>>385451828
Most of them haven't actually played it and just watched the hbomberguy video
I would know because I used to be one of them

>>385451741
>using block
Scrub tier

>>385448573
flip ds2 and ds3 and u pretty much have it right

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I liked all souls games

>>385451726
>Attunement only increases your max amount of mana, majority of spell uses still come from the Ashen Estus Flasks instead of your attunement unlike the previous games
>A warrior with only 4 estus will still do the same amount of total damage as if he had 15 estus if he can dodge every attack
>A mage with 4 estus will run out of spells faster than if he had 15 estus, thus less total damage, no matter if he dodges all the attacks or not, thus must rely on shitty melee dps that is entirely dependant on boss resistances to schools of magic

>>385451109
>dork souls
sounds about right.

>>385451109
no, it will be Dark 4 Soul'

>>385451168
Dark Souls II happened

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>mfw I beat the 3 Souls games on PC but cant get into bloodborne because of the shitty FPS

>2
>Good

>>385452086
you mean Dark Souls prepare to die edition happened

>>385451726
>>385452016
And that's assuming you don't include Undead Bone Shards. The difference between 80 FP regen and 200 FP regen.

>>385451998
kys

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I don't hate DS2 like a lot of people seem to but it's easily the weakest game in the series and shit like pic related is indefensible.

>>385451998
kek. pathetic. you don't belong on slash v if you actually like games you cuckeroo

The only one I can see people calling trash is 2 and even then you need to calm down nigga.

>>385452148
No, I don't mean that at all, kid. If you were here around that time you'd know we still had plenty of quality threads, but you weren't and so you don't.

>>385452371
I like DS2 and yeah its full of retarded shit

>>385452371
agreed

>>385451998
>>385451998
That's normal, 1st you start hating them because you are a casual and cant adapt to the controls, then you start to like them when you get a hang of them, then you start hating everything but your 1st souls game because they are different from the 1st you played, then you start liking them again since you can appreciate the little differences each have make a different experience, then you start hating them again for the wasted potential they have for either cut-content or development hell or other reasons, then you like them once more since they are still more fun to play then 90% of shit out there, then the hate comes back because etc...

It's a cycles thing, you are in the good phase.

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Why Souls series is the only one where anons make a thread every day, fanatically trying to prove which game is the best/worse?
You don't see shit like this when discussing pokemon, zelda, megaman or any other series.

>>385451901
>hbomberguy
Why do people listen to this retard again? His only notable accomplishment is shitting on Fallout 3, which isn't exactly hard or original to do, he's consistently wrong on pretty much everything else vidya related.

>>385448573
Can someone explain the bloodborne hype to me?
it's just a souls game without shields, nothing special about it.

>>385451467
Come on anon, shields were godmod plain and simple. You could tank multiple boss hits and still have stamina left. Sure you could two hand a weapon or something, but the default gameplay was always one handed sword+shield always raised. That's one of the things that made Bloodborne feel so fresh and liked by souls fans, it got rid of the shield. You can't go back to the mind numbing gameplay of DaS after playing BB.
>only in DS3
I fail to see how estus is more OP in DaS3. Sure you can move while drinking (which kinda makes sense if you ask me), but on the other hand bosses and enemies are way faster and more aggressive than they were in DaS, where you could afford to stay still because bosses were slower and heal windows were gigantic. Not to mention many enemies and bosses of DaS3 are scripted to attack you as soon as you heal, so no matter how you look at it, DaS was more forgiving.
In the end it's exactly the same, the only relevant difference being that you start with 3 sips in DaS3 and get more and more over time while you can have acces to ALL the sips in DaS. If there's an OP estus system, it's the DaS one.
>Enjoy getting raped
Enjoy also getting raped in DaS3 I guess? Not sure I understand what you're trying to say here.

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>>385451040
Nah man.

>>385448573
Playing DeS for the first time. Pretty great and I'm hitting my stride with it. Why is flamelurker so mad?

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>>385452565
It is already well established that Pokémon Sapphire, Zelda: Mejora's Mask and the original Megaman are the best in their respective series.

>>385452565
they want gamer cred for liking a game with a reputation for being hard

>>385452565
>Why Souls series is the only one where anons make a thread every day, fanatically trying to prove which game is the best/worse?
People like bait and console shitposting. If you can get into souls threads that aren't blatantly this they are usually pretty great and full of knowledgeable anons. Just learn to ignore apologists and s0nyggers.

>>385452736
That looks too much like the first spot in the Ringed City

>>385452792
RED, BLUE, GREEN, OR YELLOW.
Anyone who prefers any other Pokemon game belongs in a fucking death camp.

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>>385448573
In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again

>>385448573
Dark 3 was just boring as fuck to me, sorta like how Persona 5 is. Yeah 2 was lazy as fuck in many areas, and most of the new ideas weren't thought out too well, but the team tried to differentiate it from Dark 1. They at least tried new stuff, and that will always put it over dark 3 for me. I only finished Dark 3 once and never looked back.

>>385448573
Dark Souls 2 and 3 both misunderstood what made the first game fun and are only really saved by improvements on the technical side.

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>>385453002
>let's compare the worst game in the series to the second worst so it doesn't look as bad

>>385452665
You can drink 10x faster in DS3 compared to the other games

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>>385452137
>tfw emulation can't save us because physics are tied to FPS
Why are all console devs such hacks?

>>385453018
One thing I can appreciate about 2 in hindsight was that it attempted to be it's own thing and tried to stand on its own when it came to the story. DS3 on the other hand, especially in the last dlc, decided that it was their duty to completely explain or rewrite all of the lore the first game. The level of bullshit that the ringed city started throwing out nearly gave me a migraine.

>>385453267
Not him, you can drink faster, but you still get a lot of recovery at the end of your heal.

>>385452565

>Pokemon
>>>/vp/

>Zelda
Horizon.

>Megaman
Nothing to discuss about a dead series

>Other series
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MONSTER HUNTER

>>385453002
Dark Souls 2 also did a shitton of things better than DaS desu. Also why exactly do you spam your pasta everywhere, no matter how much you memeloving fucks sperg out, objectively speaking DaS is the weakest of the three games.

>>385453287
I'm just hoping that the theory that Bloodborne was a ps4 exclusive so that they could get rights to release demon souls for pc. But I know it's just wistful thinking.

>>385448969
>>385450747
kys

>>385453492

I don't think Miyazaki would allow a remake of Demons Souls, it's downright archaic.

>>385448573
2 was shit op you have done a bad thing and you should feel bad.

>>385453002
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little hollow? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Darkwraiths, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on The Kiln of the First Flame, and I have over 300 confirmed PVP kills. I am trained in DEX warfare and I’m the top sinner in the entire Book of the Guilty. You are nothing to me but just another Ember. I will gank you with precision the likes of which Lothric has never seen before, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with Dark Sword R1 spamming? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of gankers across Lothric and your Soul Sign is being traced right now so you better prepare for the Ganksquad, Casual. The Estoc that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead. I can be anywhere, anytime with my Red Eye Orb, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Uchigatana. Not only am I extensively trained in buff combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of Blacksmith Andre and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable soul off the face of the continent, you little Aldrich faithful. If only you could have known what occult retribution your little “clever” parry was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have black crystaled out. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you "MLG Pro". I will Great Combustion all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, casual.

>>385453267
Yes you can drink faster, but this just makes sense, the whole game is faster.

>>385448969
Shit controls dont make a good game :0 i agree with this nigga: all soul games are trash.

>>385453293
>rewrite all of the lore the first game
What exactly makes you say that? The way I saw it they tied everything together perfectly.
>The level of bullshit that the ringed city started throwing out nearly gave me a migraine.
Any exemples in particular?

>>385453837
How exactly was it shit? I thought it fixed a tons of issues DaS had.

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You're wrong if you think any of this is not true.

>>385451828
DaS3 is absolute laziness.
DaS2 is just letting things get out of hand for too long before attempting to stop and start again properly.

>>385452371
All the soulsborne games have this kind of shit, it's just the most obvious and largest progress barrier. Wading through seas of blood to surpass petty obstacles is a staple in these games.

>>385453416
DaS is definitely the strongest of the 3, what are you smoking.
1/3 anon is not wanted here because he is wrong in every way.

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Never forget that Dark Souls 2 is objectively the best.

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>pc players shit on BB
>kids without criteria shit on DkSiisotf
>newfags defend DkS3
>contrarians praise DeS
These threads are all the same

>>385454436
Think he meant DaS2

>>385451901
I've never watched any of his videos before because of the clickbait titles but now you've made me watch his DS2 video and now I have a headache. Fuck you, guy.

>>385448573
DS2 is not better than demon's you fag

>>385454694
>DkSiisotf
Why do people keep pretending like theres a difference between ds2 and ds2 now with different enemy placement?

>>385454839
i put demons souls as better than dasii you mong. I kinda dont know how these reactions work

>>385454694
>contrarians praise DeS

More like oldfags who understood Souls was just a decent action RPG instead of MLG U WANNA DIE BRO xD

>>385454436
>DaS is definitely the strongest of the 3, what are you smoking.
But how?! The ONLY thing it does better than the other games is the world design, the interconnectivity between levels. And even that is just up until the second bell, so 1/3 of the game.
DaS3 has better bosses (which is normal, new engine, better hitboxes, etc...), better individual level design, better gameplay (again, thanks Bloodborne engine), more complex story (more engaging), better fashion souls, better graphics, better PvP, better netcode, better pc port, MOTHERFUCKING WEAPON ARTS.

I can understand if DaS is your favorite, if it has a sentimental value. But when you look at each aspect of the game individually, it's objectively the weakest. And if you ask me, this makes sense. From simply gets better at making games, I have no doubt their next soulsborne like will be their best. Until the next one comes out and it's even better.

>>385454970
they fixed the lighting
and it includes the DLCs as in Dark Souls vs Dark Souls Prepare 2 die

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>>385454572
Never forget that you're objectively wrong

>>385455124
Good thing you admit that you let the opinions of others shape yours.

>>385454572
It amazes me how much hype influences reviews, rather than the game. But then I remember the kind of people reviewers are

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Reminder

>>385455231
Not a souls game.

>>385455124
If you just want an offline RPG i'm pretty sure 1 & 2 would still be better choices.
Don't forget DeS was so far the only one that forced you competition with other players even in offline mode with the Hall of faggots.

>>385454298
Ha ha ha fixed it just made the bad even worse it's inferior in every way to ds1 lost izalith the worst ds1 area is better than 90% of ds2

>>385455423
Slow down man, let's not get crazy here

>>385454298
>fixed
you mean made everything bland as shit with some minor gameplay conviniences

>>385452086
No I mean threads that weren't series ranking samefaggotry. Seemed to be going strong well into Bloodborne's release.

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>>385455231
>bloodborne is the best

seems about right

>>385454340
what went wrong with afterbirth+?
mind filling a guy who has no experience with the games in?

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>the niggers of Sony are this assblasted

>>385452565
It's fuel for console wars

>>385448573
>2
>good

will this meme ever end?

>>385448573
Dark Souls 3 is what happens when you keep listening to the "Pillars of the Souls Community's" opinion on how to make games. In videogames, you have the things that are fun, and then you have the tools that make the things that are fun more fun. For example, exploration is one of the main fun things in Souls games, and shortcuts are there to enhance the fun. The problem is that the community is obsessed with putting shortcuts everywhere that doesn't make sense just for the sake of connectivity or checkpoints. For example, in the Grand Archives, there are a billion shortcuts, but they're always put on the main path through the area, which completely removes one of the best elements of exploration. On the last shortcut of the Grand Archives, you have an elevator before the Dragonslayer Armour boss arena which completely bypasses all the enemies defending the area to go straight to the Twin Princes... which completely destroys the purpose of those enemies defending the area in the first place. At the start of many of DaS3's areas, you already see that there's a door you can only unlock from the other side or a deactivated elevator. You know those are going to be shortcuts in advance and it completely removes the element of surprise. The best shortcuts in DaS1 were always the ones that you didn't see coming, like in Undead Burg, because the shortcut came from the ladder that most people will miss because of how far up it seemed, so you'd only notice it through exploration of a side path that didn't immediately look like an elevator or a door openable from the other side.

>Dark Souls 3
>shortest game
>bonfires out the ass
>filled to the brim with shitty references
>massive amounts of on-disc cut content that will be sold as DLC
>rehashed areas in an already short game
>the worst, newbie/scrub favoring invasion system yet
>no arena
>Heavy armor sucks
>Armor variety is less than DS2 BASE game, despite copypasting a 3rd of the armors from previous games
>Magic needs 2-3 ring slots just to dish out melee level damage
>Magic itself does reduced damage for PvP
>removes a shit ton of spells from the previous game
>awful scaling balance
>FP is the most awful casting management system introduced yet (worse than DeS mana, which had better regen options and more efficient)
>FP horribly ineffiecent with damage, ends up causing everyone to use 1 or 2 FP efficient spell like Great Heavy Soul Arrow
>Miracles awful, best and most viable one locked behind the final boss
>bland NG+
>awful covenants
>no blue eye orb
>blue sentinels and darkmoons the exact same
>left hand weapons no longer have full movesets
>dual wield weapons are gimmicks
>boss weapons can’t be infused
>Straight Swords and Curved Sword are as fast as daggers
>Great Weapons are slower than previous games, and costs more stamina, while barely doing more damage
>1-2 Weapons ALWAYS the best in class, no redeeming qualitys for special weapons resulting in less weapon variety than BB
>very little moveset variation
>WA are mostly shit or copypasted powerstance moves
>No backstep i-frame
>rolls have too much i-frames and cost too little stamina
>bloodborne enemies catered to R1 spam from ss and cs
>hexes gone and dark magic is shit
>shittiest dragon form
>no dragon covenant
>refined/hollow completely dominates
>DLC has so far been shit
>19 bosses, a good chunk being gimmicks
>linear level design, less branching options than DeS, DS2, and even BB
>b-but the DLC will save it!
>b-but other games have faults!
lmfao

>>385455162
Fucking 1/3 anon.
DaS3 has some bosses that are better but this isn't a general rule and there are a lot of crap ones.
The individual level design isn't better, even CotD which is one of the better levels pales when compared to the catacombs for instance and while Lost Izalith is a peak never reached in terms of awfulness the rest of the game doesn't fair badly against what DaS3 offers.
The gameplay is cut down from DaS1 and not significantly better.
The story isn't more complex and in some ways manages to take steps backward.
The fashion souls is worse when almost all the helmets are fucked by no effort invested whatsoever and you are forced to wear armor for that "you are wearing something in this equipment slot" bonus.
Graphics are hardly better when the asset quality isn't up to snuff, see the helmets.
The PvP isn't better because of the rolls and the summons, when it actually works DaS1 has better PvP.
I will concede the 2 points up until Weapon Arts because they're just poorly implemented gimmicks.

They will not continue to get better at making these games because a) they stopped making them and b) they don't learn from their mistakes or know what was good about prior entries.

>>385456495
All in all, they focused too much on "the tools enhance the fun" of the "main fun factors of these games"... and forgot the "main fun factors of these games" in the first place.

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>>385453002

>>385452565
People on this board do exact same thing for Final Fantasy, though.

>>385448969
this is the correct answer

DeS > DaS > DaS3 > DaS2 > Bloodborne

Set aside your console bias and realize this is how you've actually felt all along.

>>385448573
Switch 2 and 3 and you've got yourself a winner.

Switch DeS and DaS, swap DaS2 and 3, give DaS3 a neutral face. There's mine

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>>385450749
Haha, nope! Armored Core VI next baby! This year at Tokyo Game Show is Armored Cores year! I feel it in me gears!

>>385453287
This is how you can tell when people only know From for their Souls games. I'm not defending BB's choice of opting for fidelity over framerate but it should be known they used to practically be a budget studio

>>385448969
you are trash

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>>385457159
Every post asking for a new Armored Core delays it by one full day.

>>385457018
I'd rank Bloodborne above 3 and 2 but yeah, I agree otherwise

>>385457174
I notice 2 things from this webm:

>You can actually spell parry Fume Knight's orbs?
>Holy shit rolling in DaS3 is stupid

>>385457184
That's cause robot shit is a niche genre that most people don't care.

>>385448573
People giving this bait replies without saging are trash.

>>385457018

I can get behind this.

BB was just DS3 with even less build, enemy, and environment variety.

If it wasn't exclusive no one would be sucking its dick so hard.

>>385448573
i agree

>>385457174
>3
Lock on roll spam almost no stamina cost.
>2
No lock on no roll spam

Why cherry pick an example where 2 looks so much better than 3.

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Its pretty funny that almost all the arguments behind DS3 being bad basically just boils down to
>this part of the game is too hard! They should have made it easier
>this part of the game isnt like dark souls 1 or 2! they should have made this part of the games design like dark souls 1 or 2
>this part of the game is too much like dark souls 1!
prove me wrong

>>385457589
Maybe because that's the point, genius.

>>385456598
Most if this is true, if not all, but DS2 is stil a worse game than DS3.

>>385448573
Why do people enjoy farming blood vials so much?

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>>385457627
Where is that girl clapping animation from? I'm pretty sure I've seen it before with another character, and it's driving me crazy that I can't remember which one it is

>>385457896
CHILD-BEARING HIPS

>>385457589
Oh man. Are you serious? The DS3 example looks exciting while the DS2 example looks boring as shit.
I've not even fought either of those bosses.

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>>385457174
Dark Souls 2 had some of the fucking worst animations out of any souls game. I replayed it recently and I forgot how unbelievably shit they could be at times.

>>385452792
>original Mega Man
Not a chance, 2,3 and 9 were all clearly superior.

>>385452994
Not only is your taste shit you also act like a total sperg as expected of ONLY GENWUN WAS GOOD faggots.

>>385457627
>this part of the game is too hard! They should have made it easier
It's hard for the wrong reasons, being "it's hard unless you spam the brainless options of B and R1". I don't think many people would actually complain if B and R1 weren't OP.

>this part of the game isnt like dark souls 1 or 2! they should have made this part of the games design like dark souls 1 or 2
There's doing your own thing while still trying to maintain the feeling of a Souls game, and then there's trying to copy Bloodborne.

>this part of the game is too much like dark souls 1!
There's trying to expand on the story and lore of the Souls games THEMATICALLY and then there's trying to expand on the story and lore of the Souls games by adding "what if"s to previous characters like "what if Gwyn was actually a talking dog??!?" or "what if we had Solaire, but instead of being cool HE WAS EVIL??!?"

>>385454694
BUT WHAT ABOUT DaS1?

>>385457627
The only actual problem with DaS3 is the linearity
The game is around as long as DeS and BB, but these other 2 are much more fun to replay since you can tackle the areas in multiple different ways.

>>385458248
>swings the giant mace like a foam sword
QUALITY

>>385455968
>tfw this image was made by Sony themselves

>>385458248
>let's put the "RPG" in "ARPG"
>WTF WHY DO PEOPLE WANT ACTION INSTEAD OF ARPG?

>>385450827
objectively correct

>>385458241
>It's hard for the wrong reasons, being "it's hard unless you spam the brainless options of B and R1". I don't think many people would actually complain if B and R1 weren't OP
WRONG. I can beat ANY part of the game with ANY weapon given that I have a good build behind it. I dont need to spam anything. I can backstab and parry with ease. Just as I thought, you are just bad at the game and found a way to cheese it to progress (which you can do in all soulsborne games)
>There's doing your own thing while still trying to maintain the feeling of a Souls game, and then there's trying to copy Bloodborne.
Plays nothing like bloodborne. I have hundreds of hours on both. COMPLETELY different games, although 3 is a little more fast paced (similar to BB bust still not nearly as fast paced). And hey, even if they wanted to copy BB, theres nothing wrong with that, because they made that game too.
>There's trying to expand on the story and lore of the Souls games THEMATICALLY and then there's trying to expand on the story and lore of the Souls games by adding "what if"s to previous characters like "what if Gwyn was actually a talking dog??!?" or "what if we had Solaire, but instead of being cool HE WAS EVIL??!?"
tell me why fan service is wrong and explain how it takes away from you enjoying the game
sounds like youre just being a petty faggot

>>385458026
>I haven't even finished the game
Quality opinion

>>385450831
You can literally do all of that in DaS3.

>>385448969
nigger

>>385451040
Funny thing
iIII was seriously used before on clock faces

>>385457174
dasII looks worse here, but dasIII goes way overboard with it's excessive "chain 20 rolls to avoid damage from this clusterfuck of an attack"

>>385458791
>I can't tell what fun is
Killing yourself is an option.
Do us a favour.

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>>385458598
SHIT SOULS 3
>the most linear of all the games, even compared to DeS and BB
>nostalgiafag reference pandering out the ass
>rehashed characters
>Lowest Boss count after DeS
>Half the bosses are gimmicks
>Boss weapons shit as usual, despite having 4 games to draw experience from
>weapons in general are 90% quality based
>these quality weapons are also usually the best weapons in their class
>some weapons have retarded stat requirements where they don't even scale with said stats, which also happens to be quality
>armor system a horrible imbalanced mess
>the heaviest armors are the heaviest they have ever been in the series, while offering basically no additional defense over medium/light sets
>poise implemented in such a stupid way that only Greatswords and Maces get the most bang for the buck
>Some UGSs, GAs, and Hammers weigh more than entire armor sets
>Equip load is now done by VIT, which for some reason gives LESS per level than fucking dark souls 2
>Souls required to level up not adjusted for splitting stats into two
>a majority of the small weapons sped up to bloodborne speed, but some of the larger weapons have been made SLOWER and consume MORE STAMINA
>rolls cost next to nothing with extremely fast recovery and many iframes
>magic is garbage
>faith is garbage
>FP system is weird
>Too many useless fucking stats
>WAs are mostly just special r2s or powerstance moves copypasted with an explosion or two at the end
>MLGS is the worst its ever been
>awful covenants
>covenants are stickers which can be changed on the go
>shitty rewards
>Dragon form the worst its ever been in both aesthetic and practical sense
>community now filled with normies who hold hands with their SL 800 Friends to get through the game
>invaders have the most disadvantage compared to all other games in the series
>First DLC was a 1.5 hour long disappointment with a rehashed arena
>Second DLC had no end despite being the very last dark souls thing we'll get for the forseeable future

Souls 2 had better pvp. It was shut in everything else but dark souls 2 had the best pvp.

So many viable magic, weapon, armor class builds it was crazy.

Ds3 took all of that away. Even fucking poise. Took away massive weapon builds, and worse all spells are fucking garbage for pvp.

Say what you want with all shitty dark souls 2 is. But dark souls 1 and 3 are both shit.

>>385448969
This is what /v/ does to your brain

>>385459360
for those of you who dont feel like reading all of this
subjective opinions from a guy who didnt like the game

yeah honestly i enjoyed 2 much more than 3

>>385459343
you might have more fun with dmc or bayonetta

>>385459330
He doesn't need to roll that much, he just does it because he's bad. He's pretty lucky to avoid all the damage.

2 and 3 are both trash for different reasons and arguing between them is like arguing over whose shit stinks less

>>385448573
So, just like 1 and 2?

>>385459343
>I can't tell what fun is
Yes we established that since you didn't play it.
Thanks for agreeing.

>>385450656
What a fucking retarded way to rate a game

>>385459473
I actually don't.

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Remember when /v/ almost unanimously shit on Dark Souls II? Contrarianism is fucking cancer.

>>385448969
>>385450747
Sounds like you plebs need to git gud

>>385459548
You clearly have no idea what a quote is.
Back to >>>/reddit/

>>385459705
but then a even worse game called ds3 came along

>>385459736
Do you?
Can you point out where I wrote what you """quoted"""

>>385459801
3 is so much better than the first 2 that i cant even enjoy the first 2 anymore

>>385459705
>This community hates this game, huh?
>Oh shit, it's fucking terrible.
>Haha! I'm gonna post a thread every day saying this is the best game!

>>385459943
Dude, stop. You clearly don't know how forums work. You're embarrassing yourself.

In dark souls 2 so many different builds and characters for pvp.

Dark souls 3 has....a build. And everything is unusable garbage.

Oh sure the bosses and story for 3 is better. But some how having better bosses doesn't give me over 200 hours more replay value. When end game pvp is a boring piece of shit.

>>385460109
>can't refute my point
Oh, wow I clearly didn't know what you meant. Yet here I'm using it.
Since you misused the quote function it was obvious that it was coming from you and thus was a valid point to use in my argument.

>>385450827
Pretty much this, but I would put BB tied with demon's

>>385460134
nobody gives a fuck about pvp
there is no pvp in soulsgames at all
there are invasions

you fucking cancer that ruined souls

>>385460134
have you even played 3s pvp? Almost everything is viable and theres a shit ton of builds
it has the most variety out of all of them
what the fuck are you even going on about

>>385460390
pvpgfags ruined the series.

>>385460390

Something tells me you are a filthy casual. Pve gets pretty fucking easy and boring.

DaS = DeS = BB > DaSII Sotfs = DaSIII Deluxe

>>385460257
>>>>>I haven't even finished the game
>>>>Quality opinion
>>>Killing yourself is an option.
>>>I can't tell what fun is
>>Yes we established that since you didn't play it.
>>385460257
Somewhere along the conversation you tried quoting me on a quote in my post.
Can you see it now? If not, then I guess you're retarded. Don't expect me to respond.

>>385460390
found the shitter

>>385460662
>>casual
>playing souls for pvp instead of an actual pvp focused game like fightans
horrible

>>385455423
But DaS2 had more good bosses, ten times more build variety and fashion souls, 10 times better pvp, powerstancing, bonfire ascetics, the port is actually good and the game runs at 64564 trillion fps on a toaster, areas like forest of the fallen giants are just as good as things like undead burg, the gutter is a better blighttown, it's the only game with an actual New Game+, the whole Vendrick/Aldia thing was great, the writing in the dialogues is better (it's even better in BB and it godtier in 3), the DLC are pure genius level design wise and have some of the best bosses From has made so far (Ivory, Alonne, Fume, Sinh), and it's obvious Tanimura could design them from the beginning, and let's not forget bear seek seek lest. And I want to say that I'm talking about sotfs, not vanilla. Vanilla has indeed so many problems that the good isn't enough, it's fucked. sotfs is a whole other story.

The game still has problems, but you can't possibly deny the fact that it did improve on DaS a lot and overall the end result is better. That doesn't mean you can't prefer DaS, but we're talking objectivity here, not opinions.

>>385460134
I consider DS1 the best game I've ever played (despite the shitty half-arsed last part like Bed of Chaos)
Yet I have a total playtime of only
DS1: 192
DS2+SOFS: 103+36
DS3: 110
And I played SOFS with a friend only, so I likely have another 30 hours to add on DS3.

Point being; Playtime past 200 hours and PVP doesn't make a game better.
Unless you really, really enjoy fighting other players, I guess.

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>>385452371
I feel like that part had to be a joke by the developers. No way they could be that fucking stupid or even patch it at some point.

>>385460662
Yeah, it sure does. That's why you stop playing the game once it gets easy and boring.

The most important thing in a Souls game is the first run's single player experience.
New Game Plus, PVP, rewards for custom playthroughs, all of these things are afterthoughts.

>>385460737
>Don't expect me to respond.
I won't since you got fucking destroyed.
I used it correctly. You didn't.

>>385458715
>and found a way to cheese it to progress
That's the part that you don't understand. If the most basic of basic approach or solutions to combat is considered "the cheesiest" when considering that it's an RPG, you know something is fucking wrong with your game.

>>385448969
Only answer

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>>385451109
not 4Dark 4Souls

>>385448573
agreed

>>385459623
yeah it was fine when there were like 3 or 4 but now it's just a list of emojis

I find the aesthetics, lack of weapons, and boss design of Bloodborne to be off putting.

>>385448969
This opinion is interesting in the way that most blandly contrarian opinions are; which is to say it's somehow more boring/trite than watching sunday sports with your dad.

>>385456645
CotD, Archdragon Peak, Lothric's Castle, Undead Settlement and both DLC areas mainly first half of AoA obliterate every area in DaS that isn't undead burg or Ariamis.
The gameplay is Dark Souls, but tighter, sharper and more accurate thanks the the bloodborne engine, with the ability to sprint in circles and roll in every direction while locked (more freedom for better control over the gameplay), and motherfucking weapon arts. How can it be not better when it's exactly what it was, but with some minor improvements and motherfucking weapon arts on top of it?
The story IS more complex since it's basically another cycle like DaS/DaS2 but with new elements like Sully, the angels, oceiros/twins and the royal bloodline, the ringed city, the lords of cinder and a tons of others which are combined with what happened to DaS characters like Gwynevere, Kaathe, many things mentionned in DaS but never explored, like gwyn's firstborn, the pygmies, velka and tons of others.
I don't know what's wrong with the helmets and I didn't even know there was a equipment slot bonus, must be irrelevant.
Graphics are obviously better since it's using the bloodborne engine, bloodborne is obviously better looking than DaS, and if you forget art design, raw graphics are better in DaS3 than in BB. Let's not forget animations which are in a whole other league.
There is nothing wrong with rolling in pvp since it's way easier to punish them (controls are better abd more accurate, weapons are more balanced and have different ranges, hitboxes are better). There is nothing wrong with summons either, you are complaining because it's harder for you to invade and disturb people who just want to play alone. Even Miyazaki thinks invasions are pure cancer.
>poorly implemented gimmicks
There are over 80 fucking weapon arts, that make every weapon fun, satisfying to use and viable. Didn't you think doing 360 airflips like Artorias or Gael was a 10/10 experience?

>>385463618
>Didn't you think doing 360 airflips like Artorias or Gael was a 10/10 experience?
Doing flips with the Artorias Greatsword didn't cost any mana in DaS1 and DaS2.

>>385452371
I don't get it.

>>385464480
A small pile of rubble somehow completely blocking you from taking that path.

>>385448969
revive yourself

>>385459360
>most linear
le linear is bad meme
>nostalgiafag reference pandering
fanservice, nothing wrong with that
>rehashed characters
and just as many new ones
>Lowest Boss count
But best bosses ever
>Half the bosses are gimmicks
Like DaS
>Boss weapons shit as usual
Wut? Every single one is godtier for both pve/pvp
>weapons are quality based/best in their class
Not true tho
>retarded stat requirements
You're right I guess
>armor system is imbalanced mess
just like DaS then
>heaviest armors no additional defense over medium/light sets
hyperarmor?
>poise implemented in a way that only GS/M get the most bang for the buck
it's logical, the bigger the weapon the more poise is has
>Some weapons weigh more than entire armor sets
They're big weapons anon
>Equip load is done by VIT
This is a problem because?
>Souls required to level up not adjusted
Explain
>some of the larger weapons have been made SLOWER and consume MORE STAMINA
And deal WAY MORE damage, obliterate poise and can even stagger boss, just like it's supposed to be
>rolls cost next to nothing
Because you can't perma block anymore
>magic/fait is garbage
memes
>FP system is weird
how
>useless fucking stats
don't use them?
>WAs are just special r2s or powerstance moves
Are you retarded? There are over 80 unique WA, see the wiki. It adds depth to the gameplay for both pvp and pve and improves the game
>MLGS is the worst
True
>awful covenants/can be changed on the go
how?/so you can easily try them all and get all rewards
>Dragon form the worst
You're right I guess
>community filled with normies who hold hands with their SL 800 Friends
And this is affecting you how?
>invaders have the most disadvantage
You want to ruin the fun of a player and complain that the game makes it hard?
>DLC was a 1.5 hour long disappointment
Don't lie, it was more around 3 hours, level design/aesthetics/lore were god tier and Friede is 10/10
>Second DLC had no end
It had the perfect end wtf. It ties everything together

>>385464287
So just because it didn't cost any mana before, you're saying that it shouldn't cost any now?

But this was not the point, and you know it, WA are a fantastic addition to the game when you take the time to look into them. Boss weapons are for the first time fun, viable and satisfying to use, first because they look cool, and because now you have the boss moveset. I said Artorias, but you can spin like the dancer, charge and spin like gundyr, summon lightning and dash while surrounded by wind like nameless king, throw fire and arcane like twins, smash the ground like yhorm, skate and jump like abyss watchers, spin and throw ice like Friede, etc... And that's just for boss weapons. There are tens of completely unique weapon arts, and a shitton of them can even combo into r1/r2. WA from TRC weapons are pure porn for your eyes, like the ringed knight paired greatswords, the dragonhead shield or the double doors.

At first glance I though it was some useless gimmick that applied to a handful of weapons. Then I realised it's actually better implemented and better in general than powerstancing. One might even say the result is just as good and satisfying as some transforming weapons in Bloodborne.

It's one of the best ideas memezaki had. Or was it Tanimura?

>>385467738
are the newer fire emblems worth getting into? only ever played the two GBA ones. also, is there a decent 3DS emulator?

>>385448573
But they are literally the same game?

>>385448573
>BB
>better than anything

>loadborne
>perfect

That game is good despite its best efforts.

>>385448969
FPBP

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>>385459705
You mean last week? Yeah, I remember.

>>385448573
Playing it right now. It is literally the best in the series.

So do all the people that hate the Souls sequels just want everything to be the same and to be a rehash? Most arguments against it are things that pretty much boil down to
>I was used to it playing like this why did things change!? REEEEEEEEEEE

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>BB2 is going to get announced in TGS
>People are still arguing about which game is worst

>>385456726
underrated.

>>385471293
/v/ likes to be contrarian to impress strangers on the internet, you literally cannot discuss these games on here without it turning into a huge shitfest on which game is better than the other

>>385456726
I don't get it.

>>385450656
Whoever made these ugly things needs to be shot in the head.

>>385454340
Super meat boy is ok but overrated mostly because it was one of the early indie 360 games.

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Dark souls 2 introduced soul memory.

The single worst decision made in the history of the souls series.

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>>385451901
>People only like the game because of Hbomberguy's video
>People only dislike the game because of Matthewmatosis' video
I hadn't seen any of those prior to beating Ds2 and I still fucking hated it
but Stockholm Syndrome made me complete the entire thing, it was strangely satisfying

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>>385448573
>dark souls arguments

>>385448969
>>385450747
>>385454015
>>385456906
>>385461989
>>385469849
>I can't get past the starting area
>the game must be trash

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>>385457896
Who is this girl?

>>385460390
Whatever you say the fact is INVASIONS ARE A FORM OF PVP.
Pvp = player versus player, right?
What do you do in invasions? You fight the other players.
hurrr

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>>385473826
>people have different opinions than me, they must think the game is too hard

>>385476181
alot of them do
youd be surprised
not so much this thread but theres people out there that will argue that the game needs an easy mode

>>385448969
Le meme master xdxd