This is literally game of thrones of video games.

>>385412224
so it's fucking shit?

>>385412224
>2017
>the game is still stuck on PSP the worst handheld

crafting

>>385412224
Wow, thanks for telling me. To think I was gonna play it...

>>385412608
Well, you can play in on the Vita aka the best handheld.

I've been really interested in it for a while but even now I am slowly pushing through Disgaea 5 so my SRPG quota might be filled for a while.

>>385412224
SNES version is better

>>385412224
>comparing a masterpiece to GoT
Commit sudoku

>>385412224
>>385414223

>>385412224
Overrated juvenile trash? No, Tactics Ogre is actually good.

>>385412608
>>385413172
>playing games on ANY handheld

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>>385412224
Don't compare TO to that shitfest known as Game of Thrones. The books got worse and worse and the show is so laughably bad now it's ridiculous. TO shits on that meme series.

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kek, i knew there was something wrong with the american cover.
Barely managed to save those poor kids from degeneracy.

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>>385412224
how about posting the real box art

>>385414949
I didn't think it had a physical release in Australia.

>>385412224
It has blood and tiddies?

Law route is objectively the best route.

>>385414682
>he plays handheld games on a pc so he can justify his wasted money.

>>385415090
You mean Ravness route.

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>>385412224
Why are burgers so uptight about showing off skin? Was it really necessary to add tights onto that one girl in the blue dress?

>>385415090
This. It's the most fulfilling route too.

>>385414949
au>jp>us cover

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What happened to him was depressing. Too bad this franchise is essentially dead.

>>385415176
>Why are burgers so uptight about showing off skin?
So little burger boys don't get horny and touch themselves.

>>385412379
No, unlike the current game of thrones, it's not SJW shit.

Man the banter is this game was great I wish Ramidos could be recruited

>>385415331
I hope nintendo or sony give Matsuno some money so he can make a real game again.
So many great japanese devs are stuck making iOS and android shit.

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Why was the sister so fucking retarded? I mean I get she had a massive brother complex and wanted to fuck Denim, but jesus some of the choices she makes throughout the game are mind boggling. I almost regret saving her from killing herself.

>>385415740
>Why was the sister so fucking retarded?

Because of terrible writing.

>>385415810
you is smart

>>385415740
Because she's a female. Also like you said she's a massive brocon and is all around pretty mentally screwed up.

>>385415810
Still leagues above Game of Feminists.

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>>385412224


This is the closest a video game will ever be to Game of Thrones.

>>385415740
She didn't do that much stupid stuff? I remember liking her, and there was only one bad decision she made.
I remember her being a bit pragmatic and just didn't want to play war

>>385416167
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>>385415161
*Ozma's.
That bad ending where thr bad guy rapes/mindbreaks her so bad she's stuck on a wheelchair made my dick diamonds.

>>385416349
Headcanon isn't canon

Reminder that Matsuno is now developing games for mobile

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>>385415176
>old monk using fists
picked up

>>385415176
They also covered up the girl in the green dress. Look at her chest in this illustration compared to the American box art.

>>385416562
Isn't that by his own choice? Didn't he have a falling out with SE?

>>385416739
Do you mean the old dude at the 3 o'clock position? That's Warren, he's a standard 'elderly super wizard' and you can't get him as a permanent party member until postgame, at a point where there's only six story battles left.

>>385412224
It's not shit, so you're wrong.

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Ravness > Chaos sisters

>>385416929
>not monk
fug

This game is wonderful.
The only thing that annoyed me is, each time you obtained a new class you had to train it, and the grind was kinda boring fast.

Also it's strange how the story variation were handled. Characters motivations changes depending what you choose, it was real strange seeing Vyce being a complete douch in chaos and then he's way too nice in lawful.

>>385415395
How is Game of Thrones sjw shit?
>>385412224
Best Tactical strategy Game I've ever played, and I've beaten Fates:Conquest and Awakening

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>>385417354
For what its worth knuckles/claws are a common weapon type equippable by a lot of classes.

>>385417392
The question is, is it better than N64 game?

>>385417196
Ravness is pretty good but aren't the sisters for Neutral route? I haven't played chaos.
I also dropped the game when playing Law because sometimes I think your dialouge options sould like same thing, and then I fucked up getting Ravness. Havenot found the strength to restart. Fuck the first Nybeth battle.

About to play this on PPSSPP.

Gimme some hot tips.
Can you find yourself in any unwinnable situations like FF Tactics?

>>385417354
I mean, the class system in TO lets you make him into a monk-like character anyway. He won't have the best stats for it, but a character's individual stats stop being important once your classes hit Lv15 or so.
The bigger people is that there isn't really a monk-like class, outside of one boss character who can't join you.

>>385417392
>How is Game of Thrones sjw shit
Women rule pretty much everywhere.
Half the plot is about immigrating non-westerners to not-Great Britain.

>>385417534
Cool, are there random battles to grindan my party?

>>385417506
You could potentially get stuck inside a castle, like Riovannes in FFT, but the game explicitly warns you about saving in a different slot whenever you enter one.

I'm not too keen on isometric tactics games, but how's the story?

I might just play with a few cheats to speed things along

>>385417625
Yes, there are random battles to grind your party and get crafting materials.
Fuck crafting by the way. You can't make things in bulk so when you need five steel ingots you need to go through way too many "crafted on [component]". Not to mention that if you're a scumbag like me you'll save between every time because crafting can fail and you lose everything.

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>>385417491
You get all the sisters in the Chaos route too, and really Neutral is just a branch of the Chaos route. I've played all the routes on a New Save, and to me Law > Chaos > Neutral, not to say Neutral doesn't have some cool moments. Neutral!Vyce is a true wild card

>>385417506
Actually, >>385417801 raises a good point. Use a cheat to make crafting have a 100% success rate. The crafting system in TO sucks balls, and the worst part is that crafting only yields good equipment up to level 30 or so - all the good endgame OP bullshit only drops in the Palace o the Dead.

Can I talk about OB64 too?
I fought Procus at Latium. I had read somewhere that to do that, you have to have a low CF and have Ankiseth. But I don't have Ankiseth and my CF is above 50 because right after that mission, I was able to get the Southern Cross armor.

Also, Gorgons are my favorite characters. I built a unit with 2 Gorgons in the front, a Cockatrice in the back, and another Gorgon in the back with that bow that petrifies. Most enemy units are dead before they get a chance to attack.

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>>385412224
I liked law route the best. It feels like the "canon" route. Also you get best girl Ozma.

>>385417741
Story is actually based off of the Yugoslav wars and is pretty interesting. Though if you aren't a fane of these kinds of games it can get annoying. But if you're using cheats then you should be good.

>>385417741
The story is good, but you need to kill yourself.
The story starts off with the main character Pavel, his sister and his friend joining a rebellion. After liberating some of their land Pavel is sent to deal with some miners. There you a choice about what you want to do with the miners, but no matter what you'll end up hated.
Pavel then realizes that if he wants to create a better world then he'll have to do it himself and then he goes to conquer the world.

>>385417596
>Women rule pretty much everywhere.
And all the female Rulers are grossly incompetent, Cersei is Hated and Daenerys has an Upraising every last Thursday and only holds power through Emotional appeal or Brute Force and not by being a Leader.
>Half the plot is about immigrating non-westerners to not-Great Britain
They're invading it to take it over for the right full Queen they aren't going for a Better life.

>>385417875
>Neutral!Vyce is a true wild card
??? It's been a while, but I though I killed the fucker after he went mad trying to kill me.

>>385418074
He dies killing Duke Ronwey who is actually a super competent leader in the Neutral route.

>>385418025
>Cersei
>Incompetent
As long as she's personally at work, there's no one she can't outsmart and get killed.

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>>385415509
>Man the banter is this game was great
I know right?
>Play lawful route
>Recruit Ozma
>Use her in every fight against the Dark Knight
>Watch her trashtalk every single one of them to death

Holy fuck she was a savage.

>>385412224
That would be Fire Emblem 4.

>>385417991
>Story is actually based off of the Yugoslav wars and is pretty interesting.
Really?
Didn't knew that, interesting.

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>>385418262

>>385418209
Duke Ronway being competent sounds somewhat correct, although Pavel still hunts him to clear his name.
But as for Vyce, I only remember him going mad and being crazy about killing Pavel. Are you sure you didn't go Neutral(start)>Chaos>Chaos>Neutral instead of Neutral>Chaos>Neutral?

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>implying Genealogy of the Holy War is not the Game of Thrones of SRPGs
Incest Sim 1996 edition.

>>385416167
Yeah, but it's a procedural simulation doodad instead of a scripted narrative. CK2 is more like real life than it is like GoT.

>>385418025
You should look up an English textbook and check the rules on capitalization.

>>385418209
>Go Law
>Ronwey is an incompetent retard
>Go Chaos or Neutral
>Ronwey is actually pretty smart
I feel like Denam's special power is actually draining the competence away from his allies.

>>385418074
Yeah, you never kill Vyce. Law Vyce joins you, Chaos Vyce gets executed for trying to double-cross too many people at the same time, and Neutral Vyce dies after assassinating Ronwey.

>>385418326
It's bullshit. Just because it takes place on a balkanized continent doesn't mean it's about the balkans.

>>385418219
>Uplifts the Faith Militant
>They turn on her
And
>Installs Geoffrey before he is old enough

>>385417991
>Story is actually based off of the Yugoslav wars and is pretty interesting.

You mean the ethnic cleansing shit fests from 30 years ago, or some earlier war? How so? Seems a bit heavy on the dragons.

>>385418450
Matsuno actually says he got inspiration from the on going conflict when making Tactics Ogre

>>385418382
As far as I know there's only one choice to go Neutral

>>385418480
>Handles the Faith Militant by cutting the head off the snake
>Geoffrey was merely a figurehead to her control
What to you mean about installing Geoffrey before he's old enough? After Robert's death it's only natural that Geoffrey gets the throne.

>>385418450
It's not bullshit.From an interview in 95

>I think those who bought the game were those who had an interest for that situation in the first place. In the case of TO, I have the Yugoslavia Wars in mind. The Bosnian War and the reports of Mr. Akashi [a war correspondent perhaps?] are incessantly on the news. We might not understand it very well, but we do know there are several different ethnic groups in Yugoslavia, and that they're fighting each other. TO is built upon a very complex world, so that if the player doesn't have such knowledge, the game might even cause rejection for all I know. But if the player does know about the Yugoslavia situation, I think he'll receive this game well. We couldn't make such a game in the past. Even if we had, it wouldn't have been accepted. But I think now we're in a period in time when it can be done. We the newcomers from Quest, wanted to try delivering that new sort of game as a challenge to ourselves.

>>385416914
>Didn't he have a falling out with SE?
Probably, FFXII is good but it's also a mess.
I doubt developing for mobile is a good thing.

shallow bullshit that lets people pretend they're sophisticated while they get off to watching graphic violence?

>>385418678
After being dragged through the streets
My point is she isn't a Mary Sue who can do no wrong and make no mistakes.

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>>385418380
I don't remember, is he talking about best girl Ravness?

>>385412379
>>385414683

you guys know Game of Thrones is the first book and the series as a whole is called A Song of Ice and Fire, right?
the first book was good

>>385418686
So the only thing Yugo about it is people of different ethnicities living in close proximity/under the same banner. I'm not suprised that a gook has no idea about how shit works in the balkans, and how he could relate it to many other places, even if watching about the Bosnian War on the news was how he got inspired.

>>385415620
By his own choice. Matsuno is still loved by a lot of fans and his name still has a lot of value, if he wanted he could do something other than shitty mobile crap. But he's just doing a mobile cash grab like everyone else, it's going to be filled with grind, lootboxes and rolls and cash shop like every other mobile piece of shit.

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>>385418834
Yes. I like the remake's dialogue, you get a sense its an older way of speaking but its not overly Shakespearean, or flowery like WoTL's

>>385414021
is it really? care to explain why?

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>>385418834
I think so. She did get shit on a lot for being a mongrel by both sides.

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>>385418669
>As far as I know there's only one choice to go Neutral
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the route chart in LUCT goes something like pic related.

>>385419020
Archers are even more OP than in the remake, Valkyries are great units not just support, Dragoons are just a tier lower than Valkyries and good for any battle instead of just against monsters. Also affinities were good, why did they get rid of them?

>>385418857
The TV series is called the Game of Thrones and while it shares a lot of similarities to the Song of Ice and Fire they're not the same story.

>>385417369
For Vyce it sort of makes sense, he just somewhat spites you and will do the opposite of what you do.

>>385418857
I was referring to the show. I know the books are pretty much separate entities by this point. The books are still decent though they have kind of declined as they went on. The show which started out decent turned into a complete shitfest.

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>>385414021
>SNES version is better

No it's fucking not idiot. Some of you people really need to unplug those nostalgia goggles from your skulls one of these days.

>>385419113
That chart is wrong.
You start as Neutral in Chapter 1.
You can go Law or Chaos just before Chapter 2.
If you go Law, you're stuck with it for the rest of the game.
If you go Chaos, you can switch back to Neutral at the end of Chapter 2.
After Chapter 2 you're locked into your alignment, but Chapter 4 is 90% the same for all of them.

>>385419263
Female Dragoon design is terrible. Dark Knight too.

>>385419263
There is no way to defend the retarded leveling system the PSP version has.

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>>385417991
Ozma and her blind husbando were great. Another reason why I like the Law route.

>>385419496
Isn't one of them supposed to be Denam's love interest? I forgot which one.

Is this translation good? English is not my native languange, so it felt very weird and I couldn't tell why.

I've never found any artwork on the Lodis knight that was an ex-slave, I've always found that odd since I liked having art of all the Lodis knights.

>>385419496
F-four sisters?

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>go Law
You turn into asshole and your ext friend into good guy who fights fr justice.

>go Chaos
You turn into good fuy and your friend turns into asshole.

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BEST GIRL
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>>385418219
That's the thing, getting people killed is all she's good for. She's utterly incompetent at maintaining allies and managing without resorting to extreme oppression.

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>>385419734
You damn right she are

>All these people praising Ozma
Ravness is the better girl.

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>>385419481
>There is no way to defend the retarded leveling system the PSP version has.

Yes, because the game forcing you to have a balanced party over power leveling 2-3 characters is bad design, right?
Oh man I'll sacrifice the tons of upgrades the PSP version got in every single area just so I can powerlevel 2 characters.

>>385419598
>Isn't one of them supposed to be Denam's love interest? I forgot which one.

Bottom right.

>all this triggering because op compared tactics ogre to game of thrones
Are you people autistic?

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>>385419263
Dragoon picture I hadn't seen, neat.

>>385419382
Whats wrong with them?

>>385419920
PSP dropped the ball completely when it came to handling unique classes which tended to be introduced late into the game.

>>385419982
>Whats wrong with them
Helmet designs are absolutely terrible.

But how about you tell me about the fusilier instead? Why do they have to join so late when I want them so early?

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>>385419598
It's Olivya. She even goes after him in the best ending.

>>385419946
What triggering? There are only a few posts complaining. The rest of this thread is discussing the game.

>>385412224
That's not Banner Saga.

>>385419598
>Isn't one of them supposed to be Denam's love interest
Denams only love interest sould be Catiua even if it's NBR.

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Remember the spiritual succesor kickstarter with Matsuno some years ago? The dev team behind it literally took the money and ran away. They scammed hundreds of people showing off some yoshida art pieces he made for the game and people thought it was going to be TO:LUCT 2

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>>385420089
I don't know, fusilier aren't as OP as Archers.

Maybe the Female Terror Knight's helmet, but it looks more like a hound. Female Dragoon's helmet isn't that bad either, they probably should have went the frogmouth styled helmet the males used. Though the dragon in flight theme of the helmet totally fits with Dragoon style. Really the puffy pants bother me more than the helmet.

>>385420089
>>385420356
It's silly that two of the most powerful generic classes are available at the start of the game, whereas lategame stuff like Beast Tamer is just average.

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>>385420303
What a clusterfuck this turned out to be. Shit like this is why I never kickstart anything. They even got Yoshida to do some art too, and his art is fucking amazing. Matsuno should just suck it up and go back to SE where he'd have the means to produce an actual game again.

>All this talking about TO:LUCT
It's a great game and all but I've never seen anyone actually discuss Ogre Battle 64. Someone give me some input on that game. Make me play it. The, although predictable, fact that you have no choice but to rebel from the empire makes me not want to play it, even though it's a great game.

>>385420303
i knew it would be shit when they decided to show the first "concept" """art"""

>>385420356
>fusilier aren't as OP as Archers
Archers are just broken. Thunder Maiden makes MVP every time.
I just fucking LOVE arquebushes in late medieval/early renaissance settings though.

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>>385420537
I thought you get your first Beast Tamer marks near the end of Chapter 2 for either route.

>>385420682
Valkyrie and now Rune Fencer are my favorites, more games should have spear wielding magic users that don't wear panties.

>>385420558

It's good, play it

yeah, nah

>>385419020
It's not, not even close. Anon just likes to say he's cool because he played the "old" version.

>>385420854
Valkyrie and Rune Fencer are nice ideas, but I found then to be quite shit, often doing 1 damage with both melee and magic. Holy spells are good against undead, I'll give them that, but otherwise I'd rather have a Knight. They look good though, and ever since I got captivated by Valkyrie Profile I've liked classes named valkyrie more for some reason.

What do you mean no panites? Post pictures.

>>385415331
This scene broke me. This game is close to perfect.

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>>385420001
>PSP dropped the ball completely when it came to handling unique classes which tended to be introduced late into the game.

Worth it to make the game overall more enjoyable.

That said it only becomes annoying if you try to get the trickiest to get characters and want to use them all (so you have to level them all from scratch). That will generally take a couple of hours of grind.

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What did you think of the GBA game? Playing as Lanselot Tartaros in his early years was pretty interesting.

Ogre Battle 64 is better

>>385420917
You've gotta give me more than that Anon. How should I build my armies? One super-army with all my heroes and other armies being sub-armies with generics? Or should I spread my heroes around my different armies?

>>385419609
It's pretty good. It's not perfect but there isn't anything blatantly wrong with it either.

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>>385421115
The slit in their tunic goes very high up.

In the SNES and PSX versions thanks to affinities, and other things Valkyries were all around great units with physical or magical damage. In the PSP one they're mostly support that can deal decent physical damage, you Boon of Swiftness someone, poke a couple rounds and Boon someone else. You could also use Wisps which are solid damage options.

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>>385420303
>Remember the spiritual succesor kickstarter with Matsuno some years ago? The dev team behind it literally took the money and ran away. They scammed hundreds of people showing off some yoshida art pieces he made for the game and people thought it was going to be TO:LUCT 2

That's wrong, it's not that these people set out to scam, it's that they're massively incompetent. Generally they're smartphone devs at best and have no understanding of what it takes to make a larger scale game. They flat out suck at managing their resources and directing the game. I bet their game design document is terrible.

>>385421210
i'm not sure about this.
But like ever n64 game, it aged like milk.

>>385421212

I usually gave each unique unit their own squad, at least until the lategame when you have tons of them

Putting all the Zenobians in the same squad is mandatory though

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>any politics is now an overrated TV show
hahahahahahaa

>>385421310
>poke a couple rounds
Cmon. Magical leafs aren't expensive nor rare, and late game the wizard can just transfer some of his MP.

S-she's just wearing a leotard. Valkyrie is pure.

>>385420303
Kickstarter is NOT for videogames, period.

>>385421207
It's a solid game, just a pity it was on GBA because the visuals and music suffered.

>>385421207
i liked ff tactic advance more.

>>385421397
Are clerics worth it, or should armies be all out damage, killing the enemy before they can retaliate? Do you need to be mindful of who your recruits kill to optimize your knight/archer production, or do you get plenty of both even if you don't think about it?

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>>385421210
>Ogre Battle 64 is better

No. That's nostalgia talking.

>>385421207

I played this a long, long time ago as a kid. What the fuck was Lanselot's deal again? His waifu dies or something?

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>>385421441
Overall I think they're still a good class even if they went from offensive powerhouse to support, I don't know where people are getting that they're a weak class from. The right skills on them and they're still a versatile class.

Female Knight looks better without the frilly dress

I really liked the gameplay of the snes one and I was really disappointed when the franchise just went into doing generic SRPG shit. I wish I could enjoy this game but I cant.

>>385420558
It has better Zenobians like Destin and a better hawkman, Sheen.
>>385421212
I like to use my unique characters as unit leaders, because they have unique dialogue. Ultimately, the game is easy, because the enemy always uses stupid units like a wizard in the front row and a knight in the back row. You can use up to 10 units of 5 characters in a mission, so find what is the most fun to you.
It's not available until late-game, but I like to use units full of Gorgons to petrify everything. Combine them with a Cockatrice and even those immune to her "Gaze of Terror" can be stoned.
>>385421562
As long as your troops keep leveling they'll eventually meet the stat requirements. Alignment is the biggest problems. Some of the better classes need a Neutral alignment and you'll have a hard time not turning everybody Lawful because most of your enemies are Chaotic.

>>385421562
>Are clerics worth it

Yes. 1 cleric helps out a lot until you get better at the game, but even then they never hurt to have. Besides you get several named ones with lower initiate.

>>385421562

It's good to have both lawful & chaotic squads so you get units of each type. For example, clerics need law points in order to class change so early on your chaotic squads won't have healers in them (although you can use items). Once they become priests or paladins their alignment points don't really matter so you can put them wherever.

Should I play Lodis before or after LUCT?

>>385421380
Just as bad honestly. It really shows the problem with kickstarter: normally to start a project you need to really plan it through to try and make sure you at least don't waste your funds but when said funds come for free and you can waste them with no repercussions at all, who cares?

To kickstart a project you should be required to have a tight, start to finish, detailed plan and budget. Not "huh we like.. have this idea, here's a drawing on a napkin, and we need money? The more the better?".

I'm awful at this is genre of games but this and FFT seem interesting.

>>385421683
It's incomprehensible how someone can prefer the SNES or PS1 game to LUCT.

Like god damn, the list of improvements to the PSP version is immense.
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/ogrebattle/ogrebattle2.htm

>>385421685
>>385421697
>>385421741
Does the game even have routes, or is it linear? My choices certainly didn't mean shit in the beginning of the game.

>>385421668
I want this art book.

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>>385421630
Pretty much, though there was a bunch of other shit that cumulated into him becoming what he is in LUCT. Regardless, waifus are a powerful thing.

>>385421756
I'd say before. It's a prequel where you play as one of LUCT's main antagonists.

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>>385421542
[blows whistle angrily]

>>385421968

Yes and it's based around whether you capture towns with units of similar alignment or not. It's called chaos frame if you want to look it up. If you don't care what ending you get you can just play it, although some units only appear in specific routes.

>>385421756
>Should I play Lodis before or after LUCT?

Doesn't matter. LUCT is a much better game so you might want to start with Lodis and if you're not feeling it move on to LUCT. Can be difficult to go to Lodis after LUCT.

>>385421994
Hope you got some surplus of moneies

>>385421115
>and ever since I got captivated by Valkyrie Profile I've liked classes named valkyrie more for some reason.
Because its a really beautiful game.

https://youtu.be/mkHWvxyaoqw

>>385422032

This was so stupid, I get what they were going for but jesus christ

>Sword attacks banned

>>385421968
>Does the game even have routes, or is it linear? My choices certainly didn't mean shit in the beginning of the game.

3 routes with varying outcomes all throughout. Even major characters can die in the story depending on the choices you make.
The routes affect things like events, characters you can recruit and more.

>>385422049
>it's based around whether you capture towns with units of similar alignment or not
What do you mean? Should I capture towns with units of homogenous alignment?

>>385421863
You get used to the gameplay pretty quickly and both games give you some overpowered units to power through if you need it. Definitely worth playing. I wish we got recent games like them.

>>385422127
i kinda liked them later in the game, when you get the power to enforce your own bullshit rules.

>>385421968
There are some split paths but most of the missions are always set in stone. What characters you fight, recruit, and ending depend on the invisible "chaos frame" stat, which you influence directly by liberating or capturing strongholds.

>>385421863
Top priority should be ganging up on one enemy, and killing them since in SRPGs you're typically outnumbered. That's how I played FFT and FM3 when they came out.

>>385422094
CoTP was my first VP game. Got the A ending first time with pisspoor equipment and characters. It shouldn't have been possible.
I haven't played Silmeria, nor do I plan to.
I tried getting the A ending in the original VP, but got stuck at Bloodbane. Now I've restarted on hard mode trying to get the B ending, but the grinding gets really fucking tedious.

>>385421863
I know i might trigger some people, but i think disgaea games are way more enjoyable and intuitive (gameplay wise).

>>385422061
Found one for 35 euro.. I don't know if I do it or not.

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>>385422250
>I wish we got recent games like them.

There are some decent SRPGs still being released, not as great mind you but they tickle that itch.

>>385422380
This. This is how I got through TO. Just target one unit at a time and gang up on them. It's the most efficient way, and pretty much becomes the only way as you progress further in the game and the enemies get tougher.

>>385422446
I can't even finish fucking Disgaea 1's story mode.
>Enemy gets triple stats, you don't get shit
Fuck that. I'll have to grind
>Grinding in the item world is too random and sometimes genuinely bullshit
Fuck that, I'll play something else.

>>385422446
>I know i might trigger some people, but i think disgaea games are way more enjoyable and intuitive (gameplay wise).

The problem with Disgaea is the the characters and story is basically generic non-sensical trash at this point. The characters are not even "demons" anymore and are downright goody goody.

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>>385422250
not quite the same, but i think this game is very underrated.

>>385422447
Where? I always see them going for like £50+

>>385422471
>assfaggots style abilites
overall game is good, but still

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>No TO Valkyrie fanart
It hurts just a little

>>385422639
Very different and I don't like the MP focus (sort of).

Besides what makes the Ogre series so interesting is the focus on politics, characters and why the characters fight.

>>385422549
this is how those are supposed to be played. the gameplay is far less "tactical" than people think.
It's more about building and training your army/party.

>>385422471
If you're gonna go western you might as well go proper western and recommend something like Battle Brothers.
Alternatively, although it has what is doubltlessly the most extreme beta male self insert character as an MC (It even makes me feel a little sick), you could recommend Ravenmark: Scourge of Estellion. Aside from the beta main character the game is very solid.

>>385412224
Think I've played this before, title strikes me as one I've finished. I got an ending where the main character died.

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>>385422719
It's a mishmash of different games yes, but it works and makes the game feel unique. The game also isn't a pushover, which is nice.

I enjoyed it more than God Wars at least.

>>385422652
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/offer-listing/4757532180/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1501254639&sr=8-17

It's this one right? It's used though, not new. New goes for ~60 euro yeah.

>>385422446
I tried one of the disgaea games and I did enjoy the gameplay for a while but eventually I just ended up not feeling like booting the game up again. The tone of the game just did the opposite of captivating me and the fucking soundtrack holy shit was it bad.

>>385422914
>If you're gonna go western you might as well go proper western and recommend something like Battle Brothers.
>you could recommend Ravenmark: Scourge of Estellion

Never even heard of them.

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Does LUCT have any depressing boss fights?

How is the ff tactics psp remaster?

>>385423073
>the fucking soundtrack holy shit was it bad.

The soundtracks are pretty hit or miss.
I only like 1, 3 and 5's soundtracks. I think 4 also had some good tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJTMy2i6VB4

>>385423136
And I've never heard of Regalia: of men and monarchs. There are quite a few western indie and semi-indie grid based tactical games out there. Some of them with quite a bit of story.

>>385423187
Yes.
There's also one majorly depressing conclusion that can lead to getting a new character or a powerup for the protag.

>>385423239
>How is the ff tactics psp remaster?

Better than the original, but I prefer the modded version that tweaks the gameplay so you don't have to deal with things like retarded AI buddies.

>>385423187
Depends on how good and quickly you bond with characters. Some of them are against people whom you really don't want to fight.

>>385423187
Heaps of minor bosses may make you feel bad for killing them.
>The noblewoman who got captured by pirates, becomes the wife of the lead pirate, then dies in battle against you while pregnant with their child.
>The really chill wizard who doesn't hate you, despite you killing his twin brother back in Chapter 1.
>The dude who only went after you for the bounty, so he could buy life-saving medicine for his sick child.
>Anything to do with the necromancer subplot.

>>385423187
>tfw in his dying breath he says he just wanted to be like you

>>385423449
>Anything to do with the necromancer subplot
Aside from his youngest, they're all cunts who deserve to die.

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>>385419194
Affinities were just changed to augments

>TO thread
>not one fucking music link
Get music'd on, nerds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqE2goVXPQ

>>385412224
>Mfw people think this is actually better than FFT

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>>385423883
It IS better than FFT

>>385423816
So good it's almost illegal.

I've played LUCT, 64, and KoL, and I like them, but I can never get into Black Queen. I always play like 2 missions and it seems like the enemies never stop coming and I just get bored.
Is there any advice for me to "play it right" or do I just suck?

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>>385412224
>routes just converge into the same trash in the end
>bad endings based on a literally hidden stat just where you get cucked by the most retarded cutscene logic in vidya
>oh and in order to get halfway decent endings you have to save your sister too who spends 90% of the game acting like an insufferable brat
>monster units are just outright inferior
>retarded af level system in the PSP port
>Vyse is literally bipolar depending on which route you pick
>archers
Der Langrisser did it way better.

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>>385423569
Not all his family deserved what they got

>>385423786
But you have to waste precious skill slots for something that should be innate to the character

>>385423883
FFT was a fucking ripoff of Let Us Cling Together
>"I KNOW, LET'S MAKE THE EXACT SAME GAME EXCEPT WITH CHOCOBOS HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE"

>they hired the same composer for it too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWtF-vC6la0

>>385423816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge18n2JCwBs
Game's official theme song

>>385421115
>ever since I got captivated by Valkyrie Profile I've liked classes named valkyrie more for some reason
Same here. I always perk up when I hear "valkyrie".

>>385423187
Chaos route made me kill Leonard twice.

>>385424132
but Der Langrisser doesn't have the one thing I want in SRPGs, and that's generics you can name and build up from the starting unit into a fucking war machine.

>>385424154
FFT is basically Chaos route TO

>>385424154
Maybe because both games were written and directed by the same person?

>>385424154
>>385424612
Yeah, my understanding is that Square essentially hired away all of the key staff from Quest that made TO, and told them to make it again but with chocobos.

>>385412608
>>the game is still stuck on PSP the worst handheld
How is it stuck when you can easily emulate PSP games?

You can literally play it on any handheld with the emulator.

>>385416486
Do you want me to post the screencaps again? Why do people waifu Ozma? She's a bitch.

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>>385424342
Anon
Nobody cares about generics in these games and you know it, especially when the unique units tend to be way better.

>>385424971
I care, and uniques aren't always better. TO LUCT White Knights are barely better than regular Knights, and Liches are still the best casters.

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What the fuck was his problem?

>>385425116
It doesn't help that one potential WK starts in a much better unique class, and another starts in a much better generic class.

>>385425316
We will never know since this series is dead. Some of it is explained in Knights of Lodis, but he obviously has an agenda of his own now that we will never find out.

>>385424035
Just make sure you kill the enemy leader last. If you kill the leader, or even just get them to about 10%, they'll retreat to get another leader or heal. Also, at first, I just sent some units out to liberate nearby towns, but that got boring, so I started pushing further and further. It's not the best way to play, but it's a lot more interesting when you try to hold your ground in enemy territory.

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>SOMEONE CALL AN AMBULANCE THIS MAN IS HAVING A STROKE
>Yeah but do you watch Game of thrones its so good man

>>385424971
I really like some of the generic class portraits, like dragoons, terror knights, and female rogues. So yeah, I'll use some of those even if uniques are better.

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>>385425785
>He likes girls with only one eye

>>385425909
Yes, I do. I don' t like male rogues because they look too much like beast tamers.

>>385423883
>>Mfw people think this is actually better than FFT

Of course it is.
Better story, gameplay and pacing. Not only that, no dumb difficulty spikes that force grinding.

>>385414794

Yet they left the sorceress untouched, what a bizarre change.

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>>385423816
>not Fight It Out!

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>>385426057
That's fine I never use Beast Tamers, though I'm guessing I'll have to if I want Deneb.

I really like Rogues as a class, with Blowdarts, Lobbers or Bows. You never need to backstab anything

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>>385423816
>>385426396
Best song in the entire OST coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWkm4aJTkU

>can't compare current equipment to the one sold in stores
>magic system is awful
>can rewind turns

I'll keep playing FFT, thanks

>archers are broker
>crafting is bad

Try the One Vision mod. Crafting is always 100% and archers are slower. And clerics got a buff where they heal a lot more and are tougher. Fights now basically revolve around killing the enemy clerics, because healing ~100 health on knights is super annoying. I don't know how I feel about that, but I've been wanting to replay the game anyway and it was a good excuse.

>>385426664
That's not Nybeth's theme, Chaotic Island, or Faraway Heights. God the OST is so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boFIGy9MEnc

>>385426783
To be fair the rewinding turns thing usually never helps unless you rewind it all the way back to the beginning. If your in a shit situation, your pretty fucked regardless.

[Spoiler]>That part where you have to persuade your crazy sister that you really really love her, that you're an asshole for treating her the cold shoulder and how much you enjoy war over her.
I had to force myself to pick this dialogue option because its the only way to getting a decent ending and to fullfill the old man's last word.

God, why is she such an unlikable bitch?

>>385427218
Hot body, bitch face

>>385426946
>Buffing Clerics
Why not buff classes that need buffing, like doing something about god damn Terror Knights being so fucking slow. They're slower than KNIGHTS despite being a twohander class, or making Valkyrie/RF back into an offensive class instead of support?

>>385423816
>>385426396
>>385426664
>>385427110
Y'all wrong, make way for the best theme in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isw_tM_P6MM

>>385427438
There were a lot of changes, those were just the most interesting. Clerics in the base game are basically useless, besides early game exorcism. Healing with items was more useful than with clerics.

the map and menu textures get all blurry when I emulate it on PPSSPP, how do I fix it?

>>385427734
They also provide buffs like Boon of Swiftness, I never got this idea Clerics are supposed to be useful for the entire game and not just a class you out grow because manual healing magic is weak late game. See the same thing in FFT and FFTA mods

>>385427615
You're literally the same person that posted this last time LUCT music was being posted in a thread, weren't you?

>>385428127
I don't remember, maybe, I really like this theme, and everytime it is used shit gets real.

>>385427810
Switch rendering backend to Direct3D9/11

Olivia is the best. Fight me.

>>385428054
Why shouldn't a class be useful for the entire game?

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>>385428521
I'll just post the real best girl

Isn't that a remake of a game that came out around the same time s the first book in the 90s?

I can't get into big political stories in games. I don't care about any fictional made up country,

>>385428635
Because Clerics are still the only generic class that can exorcise undead, and why should they be useful an entire playthrough when Berserkers aren't, or Terror Knights, Dragoons, Valkyries, etc.

>>385415331
Do you maybe have that piece of artwork that shows this scene?

>>385424971
I like naming generics after me and my friends my cats, giving us classes that sort of represent us/we like and playing through with them.

>>385428746
>I don't care about any fictional made up country,

Good thing it's not about the countries, but the people and what drives them.

Characters and personal motivations is what Yasumi Matsuno is known for.

>>385424132
>Der Langrisser
You meant Langrisser II, or are you sugesting playing the inferior version?

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Why can't they just make a new tactics ogre or final fantasy tactics for ps4/pc. A nice co-op mode could be so much fun.

>>385429130
Well, berserkers were buffed too. They got double attack, so they shit out damage when combined with sanguine assault. I'm only in chapter 3 so I don't know how they hold up for the entire playthrough, but I don't see them becoming less useful. I used dragoons (Jeunan) and valkyries (Ravness) in the base game even in endgame and they're find. Jeunan can almost oneshot dragons when dragonslayer is active.

Terror knights are unsalvageable though. They're just too slow, I agree. I don't know how you could balance that.

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>>385429409
>naming the goofy or shitty character after a friend
>or as a kid naming a character after your crush
>that moment when they notice it

>>385420356
>Terror Knight

...doesn't really inspire terror for some reason.

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>>385412224
Close but no cigar. Tactics Ogre LUCT was based on the Yugoslav Wars, whereas Final Fantasy Tactics was based on the Wars of the Roses.

Game of Thrones was also based heavily on the Wars of the Roses, so it makes more sense to call FFT the ASOIAF of games

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TO could have used Bards and Dancers generics, instead of letting the one "dancer" be this weird faced hawkgirl.

>>385418384
>You should look up an English textbook and check the rules on capitalization.
he could be timetraveler from the year 1650, or German

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>>385429667
>Why can't they just make a new tactics ogre or final fantasy tactics for ps4/pc. A nice co-op mode could be so much fun.

Because Matsuno is relegated to working on smartphone games and no one else at SE is competent enough to make a proper Ogre or FFT game.

>>385429850
They are the ones that are constantly terrified of all the lamenting souls and shit around them, that's why they are terror knights.

>>385415134
>wasted money
>don't have to buy the handheld (~150-200$) and games
>get access to every other PC game and emulated games
Ok bud. Literally my only regret is not being able to easily emulate the World Ends With You, but ironically enough I did own a DS and played it for a couple hours. My DS eventually broke and I never finished it.

Fucking flimsy plastic crackers.

>>385430194

Ah, and why the mini skirt?

>>385430160
Matsuno is a fucking idiot I don't even care about him anymore.

>>385429590
The only advantage 2 has is that some of the songs sound better.

>>385430274
Dress codes are terrifying, it's social commentary on japanese highschools.

>>385430242
Psp still sells for that much? How much is the vita selling for then?

>>385430274
It holds on to sanity by reassuring itself of its femininity.

>>385421115
Valkyries and Rune Fencers only become good at the very end of the game when they gain access to tier 2 summons. Up until that point they're shitty fighters, shitty mages and shitty priests (not even that if you give them something other than holy magic, which I did with Ravness). When they reach level 43 all of a sudden then can spam summons and wreck everything for 0 MP every turn, I'm glad they actually become good at some point. I have a fetish for valkyries and valkyrie-themed characters and classes for the same exact reason you do, even named my generic valkyrie Lenneth.

The remake had a better story but I hate how there wasn't much incentive to change classes because of the level system, not to mention how crappy some classes are compared to the original like Swordmaster, Dragoon and Terror Knights.

>>385430652
I imagine in their SNES and PSX versions they were super good at all levels instead of just 40+

>>385418686
It doesn't matter if he doesn't understand a complex geo warfare conflict. He got the basics which is inspiration for a story. Lodis is murica. Lancelot and stuff are Russia. Everyone else is the different groups in balkans.

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>>385422639
Grand Kingdom felt like an SRPG version of Guardian Heroes to me, and could be pretty clever. It had issues and the story was worthless, but as a whole I enjoyed the game.

Also your secretary was a cute.

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>>385420303
>The dev team behind it literally took the money and ran away.
That's not what happened, because they're in the same place, same company, same everything.

Their company was failing and they used the Unsung money on other projects, which is a breach of trust. Then Unsung fell into development hell. They're still around, but they're making next to no progress.

That's not "running." Stop acting like a histrionic woman. Matsuno and the backers never should have trusted these troubled fucking scummy Californian mobile developers in the first place.

>>385421210
I agree ogre battle 64 only ogre battle game where the game doesn't turn into shit right away because of archers or some other flaws in design.

>>385430825
I have no idea but from what I've seen in this thread they were apparently more solid all around. In the PSP version they easily end up doing 1 damage to everything but really squishy units.
I'm using Knight Commander Ozma with a whip (I know it's not the best but I like whips) and dark magic and she's actually more than decent with both melee and magic, I feel Valkyries should play like that rather than "mostly garbage until they get summons".

I was emulating this game months ago, but something happened and my saves got fucked up. I was pretty far into the game to which made me have zero interest in picking it back up. Though thanks to this thread I might.

>>385431260
Exactly how are people setting up their Valkyries if they're doing 1 damage though?

>>385431260
Ozma is one of the best characters in the entire game. Wouldn't be a good idea to make them too close to her.

>>385430825
They were good all rounders. Not as strong as the high end male classes or magically compared to Sirens or Liches but they were solid.

Everyone had to take levels in the best dex growth class otherwise you'd miss too much though.

>>385431425
Things in the PSP version scale like shit and you need a ton of augments or high end equipment to deal decent damage. Classes that don't use dex weapons suffer in particular.

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>>385429276
not him

>>385431773
Just having Anatomy and the skill for your unit's weapon of choice does a lot to boost their physical damage

>>385432057
They take forever to level up to the point where you actually get good returns.

>>385430242
Are you like turbo poor or something? A used vita is like 110, a used psp is like 50 bucks.

>>385412608
its on pc and android too

psp emulation is the best

What is the best version?

>>385415347
A friendly reminder that mister Kellogg cut off foreskins without anesthesia, induced phimosis with silver wire and invented cornflakes in the name of stopping masturbation

>>385432172
Well yeah you have to use a unit to make them not shit, Archer's aren't super OP until their skills are level 5 or higher. Casters aren't good until their Augment Element is 6 or higher

>>385429667
because they just don't sell, as evidenced by the indie ones

>Utter failures
(8k) https://steamspy.com/app/464150
(11k) https://steamspy.com/app/436290

>Moderate successes
(93k) https://steamspy.com/app/365360
(136k) https://steamspy.com/app/281640

>Runaway successes
(1054k) https://steamspy.com/app/234650
(756k) https://steamspy.com/app/300550
(497k) https://steamspy.com/app/346940
(762k) https://steamspy.com/app/237990

>To be announced, but doesn't look great
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1266693296/arcadian-atlas-tactical-rpg-inspired-by-classics

Granted XCOM2 has done really well and is getting a new expansion. One could only hope that PC becomes a little bit more fertile

>>385432057
Anatomy is good but the enemies you usually do 1 damage to aren't humans.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Valkyries do 1 melee damage from start to finish, there's just some moments in the game where they're going to be shit for a while. Their physical damage starts to pick up a bit around level 30 but they still have a hard time damaging tougher enemies like golems.

hnnngh why does akihiko yoshida draw thighs so succulent

>>385432182
>>385430598
Are you turbo retarded or something? I've already emulated the worthwhile parts of the PSP/vita library, so why the fuck would I buy one now?

>>385432474
Golems are ass to fight in general. Those lizard fucks too. Dragons kind of stink but you have Dragoons and Ozma.

Love playing srpgs while i'm on the shitter.

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>>385432483
but the PSP artwork is by Tsubasa Masao

>>385432695
I know Terror Knights are kind of shit but mine helped quite a bit against dragons, golems and all that stuff. Frightening them actually fucks their defense pretty bad.
I just wish that class wasn't so unbearably slow, even with boon of swiftness they get a turn every fucking century if they're lucky.

>>385432248
PSP.
If anyone claims it's SNES or PS1, ignore them. The PSP version is so massively improved across the board it's not even funny.

>>385430464
No. L2 is more challenging. And as usual you have a bigger area of view on MD vs stretched graphics on snes.
Mega Drive version sounds even better than the PS/Saturn ones also,

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>>385432483
Because he often starts drawing the butt first

http://www.denofgeek.com/games/bravely-default/28420/in-praise-of-akihiko-yoshidas-videogame-fantasy-art

>And on the occasions when his inspiration's run a little dry, Yoshida sometimes resorts to drawing a very particular part of a character's anatomy to provide a starting point. "When I'm having trouble coming up with a design," Yoshida confided in a 2006 interview, "or I'm otherwise stuck, I'll start working on the back or buttocks. Using these as starting points, the ideas seem to flow very smoothly for me."

>Perhaps realising that this might seem a little strange, Yoshida quickly added, "It's not really something I understand myself. But the designs for many of this game's characters started this way..."

>>385432483
he woke

>>385419920
>>385420097
>it's olivya

she was shit so i never brought her out

>>385432901
>PSP is better
>When over half of the human classes got nerfed to uselessness and almost all of the gameplay changes are worse
The only advantage is that they fleshed out the plot more.

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>>385432483
Because if they don't look like they're about to explode out of clothing you can't call them thighs. Thighlets can go home now.

>>385432607
Because I like the idea of a portable emulation machine? You're the same kind of retard that tells people who want to build a retropie machine "why are you spending money on that when you can emulate everything??".

>>385412224
How do I play this game? I do not own or purchase consoles. Is it emulatable? Not the SNES/PS1 versions

>>385433091
She's one of the fastest uniques and has incredible stats for offensive magic which is broken in postgame.

>>385433523
Just emulate the PSP version. It's the best version anyway.

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>>385433428
>Because I like the idea of a portable emulation machine?
Yeah I sure love having a tiny screen, tiny resolution, cramped and uncomfortable input, and be dependent on battery life.

Handheld gaming is just one step above the cancer that is mobile phone gaming

>>385433523
You could probably emulate PSP on a game&watch anon.

But who was that ogre with the great tactics?

>PSP dumped a ton of shit on the law route when in the original it was even between Law and Chaos.

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>>385433704
>Handheld gaming is just one step above the cancer that is mobile phone gaming
And why are playing all those cancer platform games?
I think PC is cancer, because there are zero worthwhile exclusive for this platform.

>>385433719
The final boss.

>>385433590
>>385433718
I've never played a PSP what emulator do I use?

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>Tfw there will never be a REAL ogre battle ever again

>>385433704
Low resolution is pretty much irrelevant on screens that small. Even the 3DSXL screen, which is absolute dog shit in terms of resolution, can look surprisingly good depending on the game. The screens aren't tiny on anything newer than a DS. They aren't cramped or uncomfortable for the most part (original 3ds excluded), and battery life is fantastic on most handhelds these days. If 3-5 hours of gaming in one session isn't enough for you then you have bigger problems anyway.
So I don't agree with you on pretty much anything. Any of the minor problems with handheld gaming are outweighed for me with portability, which I love. Plus the comfort of gaming in bed.

>>385434241
Your fucking brain you mongoloid.

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>>385434152
>Make a copy of the party
>"tactics"
Glad the mixed up the final battle, I read the final boss could be downed in one round of combat with a party of Archers.

>>385415620
Well, he's on board with squeenix to do something on FFXIV. I guess that's something.

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>>385434152
>tfw Canopus doppelganger starts piercing the skulls of my mages and priests

>>385434329
The final boss of the SNES/PSX versions could be downed by a party of Archers in one round is what I meant to say.

>>385434482
He already designed one raid for XIV. This doesn't count.

is it possible for uniques to leave you because of chaos alignment like regular units?

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>>385434518
>Bringing Clerics to the final boss fights
You deserved it

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>that scene where Ozma gets lobotomized
I felt really fucking bad for her

>>385434763
You mean chaos frame? I don't think so, but I know Arycelle can leave you based on her loyalty. She starts starts really low, and I actually had to WORLD back a few fights to get her loyalty up.

>>385435369
I'm still not sure what's worse between that and Ceya getting gangraped and killed.

>>385435505
She wasn't gang raped despite whatever doujin or that one picture of her being gang raped in game.

>>385435369
What route does that happen? I only played through the Law route and she got a happy end with her lover that blind guy.

>>385430827
>Lodis is murica. Lancelot and stuff are Russia.
You've got them backwards

>>385434069
I don't emulate phone games. And there's only 1 good game for PSP, and that's Tactics Ogre LUCT.

You apparently can't read if you interpreted that as "I only play emulated games!" Do yourself a favor and get an English tutor before replying back to me with any dumb posts.

Remake when?

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>>385435641
Unless there's another scene I missed where she somehow manages to fight them off that's exactly what happens anon.

>>385434317
>Plus the comfort of gaming in bed.
So do I, which is why I have a large TV, wireless controller/keyboard, etc.

Portability is for children who ride in the back of their parents' cars.

>>385412224
What's the best version? SNES or PSP?
Didn't SNES not have the skip button? And you have to watch every single turn?

>>385416929
>postgame
>story battles left

what did you mean here?

>>385436095
Nope, doesn't happen. The Templars keep her around for tea and crumpet parties

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>>385435748
I dont remember but I believe if you skip the battle where you recruit her, she gets captured and she goes home in a wheelchair

>>385418678
>After Robert's death

You realize she's the one who had Robert killed right? That's the mistake that anon is pointing out. She should have waited until she reined in Geoffrey's incompetence and immaturity before arranging Robert's death.