How do we fix souls pvp?

>>385384242
1 estus to host, zero to invader. Restrict restorative magic to both. Perma-poisoned invader, so he can't hide 10 minutes behind mobs. If blue phantom is summoned - give 1 estus to invader.

Remove it completely

by fixing player attitude. Exhibit A: you called it "pvp". It is not pvp, it is an invasion. It is time to start treating it as such, boyscout

Dedicated servers with region locks that are more specific than "Japan" and "Not Japan".

>>385384446
THIS
There are invasions (the crux of the multiplayer) and there are honor duels (a concept invented by players). Too many people get butthurt about invasions and griefing, the point of the game implemented by FromSoft.

fix lag

>>385384242
Actual incentives for invaders.

>>385384413

>hosts just run from the invader or in circles

Whew, lad.

>>385384413
Just play in the arena or at a fight club if you're so annoyed with estus.

demon's had it right by being a gimmick to utterly fear

by trying to balance it, the base game gets fucked over. see poise, adaptability to counter flipping, then roll spamming to counter gank squads. just a mire

Both players get limited to 5 Estus, if the host wins they get their estus back.

>>385384242
YOU STOP TRYING TO FIX IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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Get rid of peer to peer and host some proper servers
wow that was hard

Reintroduce the Scraping Spear

>>385384242
>Ban all the meta fags that make their own rules
If only...

>>385384839
Im annoyed of invaders with estus who hide behind mobs.

>>385384242
Phantoms can't heal.
Invader gets an estus for each phantom. They wouldn't have any if it's just the host.

>>385384819
Okay. Give everyone reusable seed of giant, so if invader is a faggot and run from host, host always can use seed.

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>>385384242
Add powerstance, add animation cancel, make the roll longer and consume more stamina, remove smith memory to something broader, add more movesets for each weapon class, fix the fashion, and you have a perfectly fine pvp system.

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>>385385345
>>385385191
>>385384413
You sound like the biggest faggot ever and I'd love to invade you with an obscuring ring and a millwood bow just to see you pull the plug

>>385384446
You meam duel, instead of pvp, you fucking mongoloid, pvp is any time you fight another person, no matter what the fuck you call it.

>>385385658
I dont think you can kill anyone, you jsut here to flex how cool you are. What a faggot.

>>385384242
Stop trying to 'balance' PVP in a souls game.

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>>385385759
You understimate how retarded the average host gets when they don't see a glowing red guy to run away from

>>385384242
Make it Dark Souls 2 minus retarded Soul Memory system.

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>Get great lance
>2 hand it
>R2
>MFW left arm

>>385384242
What dark souls 2 did, just fix the issues like shitty latency and shitty engine, and kill cheating

How about adding a timer to invasions? If it runs out before either the invader or host dies, then the invader dies and the host also dies. If the host is too close to a bonfire, they don't leave a bloodspot and cannot recover their souls. In this way, both players would be incentivized to actively seek out the enemy player. The lack of the bloodspot discourages hosts from just camping close to a bonfire waiting to die and get an easy recovery.

I run into the scenario, from both sides, where you just sit and wait forever. That's boring for me as the invader, and boring for me as the host.

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>>385384242
Souls PvP literally loses 50% of the depth without the latency, literally. That's how shit the games are.

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>>385386029
>use great lance
>miss literally everyone who moves slightly to my left

>>385386174
That's fucking stupid. As an invader you don't lose anything for dying but as a player you've got all your souls on the line.

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>>385386245
>he doesn't outspace attacks and charge them down the second they whiff

>>385386260
The invader would still lose their souls as normal since they die. I get that most invaders just sit there and invade without having any, but if they're invading in the first place, they don't need much incentive to go attack the other player. Maybe add a curse or something for an invader that dies via timeout.

>>385384242
Ds2

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>>385384242
We reinstall DS2.

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>>385384242
Just do what ds1 or 2 did, they're both superior, ds3's skill cap is extremely low.

>>385386572
>Powerstancing str weapon with dex weapon
Fucking deserved it.

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>>385386572
WOAH you can click the big red button on a 10h player :OOO

>>385386750
But can you parry Powestanced UGS and BTFO someone's HP without a Hornet Ring in DS3? Didn't think so.

>>385385605
so, dark souls 2?

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>>385386876
Pretty fucking much amigo

>>385386856
why did you come to the assumption that i play dark souls 3

>>385384242
Fix the goddamn netcode.
DS2 Invasions.

I've played demon's souls, dark souls, and dark souls 2. How is 3's PvP different?

>>385384242
dedicated region locked servers so no more p2p bullshit, das3 combat system with das2 left hand weapon moveset + das1 poise with reworked poise breakpoints

>>385387098
No variety at all, split damage is shit again, no real skills to use other than ravioli step, just bland, extremely bland

>>385384446
This

Demon's Souls did it best. Straight to the point. Although I still say they shouldn't have changed poise the way they have.

>>385387098
DS3 pvp is 90% rolling, 9% parrying, 1% actual fighting.

>>385386238
Not really because without latency everyone can parry on reaction which means you have to play super carefully and it becomes pure mindgames.

>>385384914
Poise was a great mechanic for the first game. It got ruined in the other games. They never needed to ruin it like they did. All what they had to do was balance it properly. A tiny dagger should not have the same stunlock capability that a greatsword has to an opponent with heavier armor.

>>385384242
Everyone goes back to Ds2

>>385387814
Doesn't sound much different than 2's PvP, except with more rolling in 2 because swinging through an invincible invader drained the hell out of your weapon durability.

delete splitleaf

>>385387098
ds3 uses bloodbourne's engine
its fast, rolls are basically free, elemental damage is useless outside of spells, casters must be pure glass cannons
its awful

>>385387906
Pose worked better in 2 than 1. Also the backstabs totally ruined 1s pvp.

Is ds3 online still alive?

Make the Way of Blue covenant or equivalent just straight-up prevent invasions. Now the only people that get invaded want to be invaded or are trying to gain some other incentive, and thus accepting a risk, by joining a different covenant. That way anyone that's butthurt about being invaded doesn't have to worry about it, and invaders don't have to worry about invading people that will always summon a shitload of phantoms.

>>385388129
its quite empty

>>385388149
That is not in the spirit of the game at all

>>385388129
I saw a good amount of activity on ps4 and i played just last week.

>>385388129
It's dead

>>385388149
no, invasions are for fighting the people who are new and suck at the game

>>385388121
>Pose worked better in 2 than 1.

There was countless threads on /v/ back then about how broken poise was. Everyone kept wondering where it went. They wanted From to put it back in because people rightfully noticed its removal/changed mechanic.

>>385388106
>useless poise is better than facetanking poise
Debatable
>backstabs ruined 1's pvp
Not worse than the lack of running backstabs ruined 2
>oh shit a guy, lol I'll just sprint and he can't do anything about it even if he's right up my ass

>>385388336
Yeah poise in 2 was less broken. Thats what i meant. It was bullshit in 1.

>>385388346
Meant for >>385388121

>>385384242
Weapon upgrades/stats don't matter.

Get rid of it. PVP has become a meme that manages to ruin all the fun just so PVPfags can have "balance."

>>385385324
This is stupid. phantoms and invaders should heal. Just don't include a thousand other ways to heal like the series kept doing. It should be estus flask can heal and nothing else.

From has a hard job though in fairness. They need to balance the game for single player and multiplayer. They need to make sure the game is difficult enough but not so punishing that the games become too unfair. I think Matthewmatosis was right. Demon's Souls was the best in the series.

>>385388454
>stats don't matter
woah there settle down anon

>>385388392
No poise equals the game becoming stunlock fest.

WOW GREAT GAMEPLAY

>>385388346
If someones running away you can easily catch them with a running attack from a long weapon like a spear or katana. Especially with the phantom range.

>>385388535
the real problem is the speed of estus in 3
much too fast, people can just heal and take the hit with no punishment

>>385388612
Where did i say no poise retard? 2 definitely has poise.

>>385388632
Running attacks didn't come out fast enough to catch anyone who's not lagging or blind, except on a few weapons like the regular longsword before they nerfed it

>>385385605
DaS2 had animation cancel?

>>385388731
>didn't come out fast enough
hell, they still don't in 3, another problem

>>385388121
>Also the backstabs totally ruined 1s pvp.

this is not entirely accurate. true, backstabbers were a pain to fight, specially if lag was on their side, but you could just mash a quick weapon like the Hand Axe or any curved sword and watch they die.

>>385388770
You could cancel attacks while you were still in the windup, but that's not really an animation cancel because the attack doesn't go through.

>>385388795
>swing your weapon
>get backstabbed
oh wow

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>>385388770
It was one of the most basic moves you could do to fuck with people's heads.

>>385388724
only retards and DaS2 fanboys like you claim that DaS2's poise system is better than DaS3's
DaS3's poise is a hundred times better and more RELIABLE than DaS2's abortion of a poise system

I sincerely believe the first game had the best pvp.

>>385388487
This. It just feels like a waste of time to me. I literally just disconnect or walk off a cliff when I get invaded because that's usually faster than bothering with an invader. I want to make fun PvE builds and play the game as a sorcerer, guy that only uses whips, or other stuff. Minmaxing for PvP fights is boring and too samey since you pretty much always need to have pretty specific gear/weapons unless you want to be at a significant disadvantage.

Estus shouldn't be so quick and reliable.

Also, disconnects during an invasion should count as a death and award the invader or host a win.

>>385388863
not if they're fast like I said.

a Hand Axe or most curved swords will get a couple hits in AND cancel out the damage from a backstab.

if they just keep fishing you'll kill them in no time.

>>385388149
Covenants have ruined this franchise. Fuck that shitty gimmick.

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>>385388882
It's the same system though, are you pretending to be retarded? Only difference is that DaS2 has natural poise with a multiplier

>>385388882
DS3 doesnt have poise dumbass. it only has hyper armor.

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turn off the game and play a fighting game instead

How do we fix this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES0x2g8IC_0

>>385389078
>play a fighting game instead
shit taste

>>385389078
souls pvp is not about duels
souls pvp is about invading and being a dick or getting invaded

>>385388682
Well let us be honest here. From really sucks at balancing their games. However I do think this is part of the fun in these games.

>>385389096
Wear a hornet ring.

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>>385389228
Try again.

>>385389051
This. Poise is a nothing stat that can only be slightly buffed when you already get hyper armor from specific weapons.

>>385389051
and it was the same for DaS2 you fucking retard
you couldn't just walk into someone's swing and not stagger in DaS2 either
>>385389045
except no, you almost always have at least 80% of your poise at the end of an exchange in DaS3 so you almost always know how much poise you have and if you can for a trade or no
DaS2's system is convoluted in its calculations + poise doesn't regenerate until you stagger so nobody even cared and just went for stack as much poise as possible + ultra weapon and hope you don't get randomly staggered

>>385389096
honestly, to an invader shitting on someone so hard that they disconnect is worth more than the souls they get from the kill.

>>385389221
>However I do think this is part of the fun in these games
you're talking about abusing the broken shit right?
with the amount of advantages the host has over the invader in 3, i find it hard to be fun this time around

>>385384242
How do you mean fix? The series is done, there aren't any more games. We ain't fixing shit, lad.
Let it go.

>>385389480
Well I meant more outside of the multiplayer stuff.

>>385384242
You don't. It's over.

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The PVP never got better than it was in Demon's Souls.

t. guy who has played every game in the series since Demons first came out.

>>385389582
my pve characters were never really about using broken stuff, i just tried to use as many different playstyles as i could think of

>>385389435
Who invades for the souls?

Serious question.

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Stop expecting some kind of etiquette, you entitled retards. It's not fucking sports fighting.

>>385389523
>He thinks fromsoft isnt gonna make anymore soulslike games
You were literally born yesterday werent you?

>>385389705
only the ignorant
>>385389726
not the problem

>>385389679
It was a thing of beauty how hard you could fuck hosts in demons souls. I miss it so much.

>>385389729
Sure, souls"like". Souls itself is done.

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You can't, really.
There's always some sort of exploit.

In dark souls 3, I have a level 50 character on ng+ with weapons that are only at +6.
It's really, really fun to invade people in the catacombs with the Dragonslayer swordspear

But when I'm really feeling like a dick, I pull out Gael's repeating crossbow with exploding bolts, or the twin prince's combined greatsword.

>>385389824
>all the soulslikes are gonna be really fast like bloodbourne and ds3 now
guess im done then

>>385389790
Yes, it is the problem. Stay wrong.

>>385389824
Bloodborne had pvp and it wasnt a "souls" game so saying souls pvp is dead is wrong. From is obviously gonna make a bloodborne 2 or some other game with similar mechanics that will have pvp.

bloodborne is the most broken lets be real. the bell system is trash

>>385389968
>the problem is that there is not enough etiquette
either bait or you have no reading comprehension

>>385390007
>Bloodborne had pvp and it wasnt a "souls" game so saying souls pvp is dead is wrong.
You're contradicting yourself.

>>385389920
the faster and aggressive mechanics only work if you go all out and design the entire game around it.

>>385389679
>>385389806
I've done low level twinking and had one guy message me pissed off saying he had to remake a new character because I destroyed all his gear and he didn't have enough souls to repair it all.

Fast forward to the latest game and the host can have a small army help him out while invading has become more a chore than fun.

>>385390045
i dont even understand why co-op is a thing for bloodborne
it doesnt fit at all

>>385390046
Nice reading comprehension, idiot. I said the problem is that people are expecting etiquette when it was never meant to be there.

>>385390135
and i said that the etiquette is not ds3's problem

>>385390047
You know what i mean. Souls pvp isnt dead.

>>385384242
scale the invader's stats to the host. this means no more level restrictions for multiplayer.
show ping.

>>385390238
might as well be, im not expecting anything good

>>385390098

There has been literally nothing at stake while invading since fucking Dark Souls. And I personally know a ton of people who started with Dark Souls and played offline because they didn't want to get invaded. Which is fucking stupid. If you play a Souls game offline you're not playing the fucking game.

>>385390217
Except it is because every little faggot thinks you have to "fight fair"

You can stop being wrong any moment.

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>>385390098
Invading in ds3 certainly is a fucking chore.
However, if you're enough of a fucking masochist like >>385389887 you can always have an advantage.

I couldn't even kill nameless king or get past Gael until I was 100.
Fucking hell.

>>385389679
This
From needs to completely stop caring about the pvp
Design the game as if it doesn't exist, then throw it in at the end, and include every "this seems cool" idea you can think of.
It will almost definitely be more fun.
>tfw ps3 died and I can't do level 1 cloak+fatal estoc invasions any more
>no more duelfagging at the start of 4-1 with the greatsword of very large knockback
>there's probably no one playing online now anyway
Bad feels

>>385390363
oh youre right anon, ds3 was designed perfectly and the players are the ones ruining it

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>>385388129
Been playing on PS4 this week in the SL80 range, very active for PVP, PVE is easy to get as a Phantom but tougher as host. Aldritch Invasions are literally 24/7 in Anor Londo. Far more alive than I expected, I reinstalled on a whim and now I'm hooked again.

>>385390363
The problem is straight up just that the game's pvp, both mechanically and systematically, is designed in a way that hinders fun.
Any other problems on top of that are insignificant compared to the flawed foundation they're built upon.

>>385386123
impossible. The fundamental problem with ds3 invasions is that estusing is so fast that its unpunishable and as long as that exists, host will always have a massive advantage.

>>385390574
yeah aldritch is the pvp hot spot, but the only good pvp in any dark souls game is when it is still new and there are plenty of newbies

>>385390432
I'm playing through DeS right now and I have seen a few "shades" of other people playing, but no summon signs. Had to switch to offline mode sadly, playing in online mode made loading screens take ten times as long, glitched my sound, and made half the models and textures in the valley of defilement not load

>>385390574
too bad aldritch invasions are either
army of summons+host
a fight club
bonfire huggers
pussies on the ladder or near the empty room where the dogs are
and the level is piss easy to go through too. its fucking wonky too when you're searching, cant tell if they are near the boss fog or down by the giants

There's nothing to fix or balance.
Dark Souls is not a fighting game, invading is supposed to be a dick move.
However I'd agree that they made invading pretty hard for invaders. It makes invader victories all the better though.

>>385390743
>Dark Souls is not a fighting game, invading is supposed to be a dick move
this. honor pvp and fight clubs are a fucking joke. doesn't help the "pillars of the community" really reinforced this cancer shit. you can blame them for nerfs to your favorite sword who a pvp streamer abused the fuck out of

Play a real fighting game and not babby's first PVP game lol

>>385387098
>invade
>host has 3 phantoms
>runs around bonfire summoning more if any dies

>>385390719
Yeah the NA servers of demons souls are fucked right now. They are super buggy and cause lag and crashes. I guess they dont have anyone monitoring it either because its been like that for over a week now. I played last night and i actually got an invader for the old monk fight but other than that it was a ghost town.

>>385388931
>first game

So Demon Souls?

>>385390896
Sounds exactly like 2

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>>385384242
>How do we fix souls pvp?
by not taking it seriously, PvP communities ruined the souls series

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>>385390896
I don't get this das3 phantom meme. Literally every souls game has the same thing, I frequently invade 2v1 and 4v1s in dark souls 2, and they are piss easy to beat. Literally and metaphorically git gud (XD), 4 braindead players are not even a quarter of a good player.

what we really need is more players, everybody leaves after the first few months and all the lone hosts are gone
but these would be nice too:
>slower estus
>a simpler poise system
>weaker phantoms
>more environmental possibilities
>more build variety
>>385391074
its all about the invasions though
invasions are shit in ds3

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>>385388129
It's very active.
Especially low level PvP.

By low level I mean anywhere from 30 to 70. Get ready to deal with shitters that need 2 or 3 phantoms to get through somewhere though. With low level (and low upgrade) it's at least possible to put faggots like that in their place.

>>385391426
every other souls games has better levels that can help an invader out

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>>385388454
>Weapon upgrades don't matter.
How the fuck am I supposed to invade people on my level 30 character with an un-upgraded dragonslayer greataxe in dark souls 3?

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>mfw i cheat engine illegal items and invaders pick them up

>>385391634
Dark Souls 2 levels are so fucked design wise for invasions it shows how much thought they put in the game, when you can spawn in locked rooms the host hasn't unlocked or get blocked by enemies that the host must kill or aggro in order for you to pass, and you can do the same thing in dark souls 3 = run to the enemies, even if they seed you you are still at an advantage. The same thing as in dark souls 2. Get better.

>>385391634
You're right, but there's a lot more items and other bullshit you can use to give you an edge when invading.
Those black firebombs you can toss behind you while running are a godsend. Same thing for that ring that turns you invisible when you are far away.

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>>385391895
Asshole like you are the reason why I can't joke invade and drop lightning zweihanders for anyone anymore.
Got two questions for you though. How fucking awful are you that you need to cheat at dark souls, and what does the game consider "illegal"?

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>>385391895
>give them hacked gear and crashed their game
>they instantly get softbanned the second they relaunch the game

>>385392195
Most of the time i just do an illegal stack size of something, doesn't matter what, just 1 over the max, so its hard for people to notice.

And i just do it to fuck with people, it's just funny to do it do some tryhard leet pvp faggot, it's best when they get banned soon enough they can still find me and send hate mail. and family share, i do none of this on my main

>>385392195
>what does the game consider illegal
I don't know about 3, but people did this in 2 and IIRC it was shit like weapons upgraded past their intended point (Estoc +12, for example). Pick it up and equip it, your game will crash eternally unless you edit your save to remove it.

>>385392195
I also do this>>385392447

this me>>385392642

>>385384242
Instead of nerfing everything to oblivion, make it possible to be six different kinds of busted again like in DeS.

If you're going to include shit like health regen upgrades, poison/bleed/acid effects, and MIRACLES IN THEIR ENTIRETY, then don't make them fucking useless just because some r1 warrior is too retarded to counter it.

Fight busted builds WITH busted builds, instead of smashing whatever meta players arrive at as they pop up.

>>385389397
Dark souls 2 poise was the same as one but the poise was body part based (head,chest,leg,etc.) in how staggering was determined

See ds2 headshot stunlock PvP

>>385384242
Start from square one and don't listen to the fucking community. DeS was the first fucking souls game and it has better pvp than the latter games (DaS1 and DaS2 excluded). Somehow they thought giving players instant backstabs was a good idea, while demon souls backstabs worked perfectly. "And now we have aaaa nerf this shit tier weapon I'm too braindead to counter because this meanie killed me with it"

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>>385388795
>equip a single piece of havels or the wolf ring
>preceed to backstab uninterrupted
>>385387906
Poise was a godawful crutch for shit players to tank everything with little repurcussions, it simultaneously also made backstabs even more cancerous then before.

>>385393168
then show me a video of someone poisestabbing another player through an UGS swing like in dark souls 2
dark souls 3's poise is dark souls 2's but better, I don't know why retarded dark souls 2 fanboys can't see it, I guess they need enough "arguments" to shit on 3

Demon's Souls invasions were cool because the invader had the incentive to get his human form back.

>>385384242
By not balancing the game around it. Notice how the best games (DaS, DeS, BB) have PVP as an afterthought, and the shit games (DaS2 n 3) have changes specificly focused on PVP. PvP should be a fun and intense INVASION, not some fedoralord fight club

>>385385157
this tbhaytch

>>385384242
I dunno dude. I feel the faster pace and overreliance on rolling is what makes Dark Souls 3's PvP unpleasant and uninteresting, and I'm not sure that can or should be fixed because the PvE isn't bad, and that's the main part of the game. Player attitude is also a problem: I'm fed up with those people who play invasions as honorable duels instead of being dicks.

P2P system is also cancer.

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>Don't put in a notification when someone invades, just have a sound that plays. This gives the invader another advantage as it would be easy to miss and they'd have an element of surprise. The invader could only spawn farther in the level than the host though
>Have an arena for PvP-cracks that love it so much like in 2. Give the arena a leaderboard so people can compare their e-dicks
>Adjust the fucking blue covenant
>Make backstabbing like it was in 2 so that every match doesn't turn into backstab fishing (they also look nicer, but that's just my opinion)
>Fix poise so that different builds are actually viable
>Have worthwhile covenant rewards (give each covenant its own armour set, ring and weapon/spell locked behind the different tiers). In the arena a covenant token/item/whatever you want to call it would be dropped on a win, not every kill (in the event of 3v3 or best of 3 matches)
>Make the covenant NPCs interesting so that people would actually want to fight for the covenant against other players

That should at least fix it up a bit, right?

>>385393565
This

>>385391895

Highschool was a pretty hard time in your life wasn't it?

>DUGS is still a one-hit kill combo

>>385384242
Remove metafags

>>385384242
Beat the servers with a wrench so they go back to the good days of DS1, where you 9/10 times won't be able to summon a host if you're invaded, so you better git gud or die.

But really, it's a combo of bloodbornes fluid combat and healing while moving + estes amount that breaks it. There are several independent remedies, and parts of them can be interchanged and combined.

1. No one has any flasks. Only healing spells/ humanity. Wanna win that badly? gotta burn resources.

2. PvP waits, que's, and sends multiple invaders together if host has phantoms, at the very least if its 2+ phantoms. Waiting for help outside of a few areas isn't an option, and using mobs to back you up results in pussy hosts sitting at bonefire with their phantoms and seeding, or at the point of 3 players just bulldozing through to level towards you. You need to be particularly good or them bad to win.

3. Invaders get estus replenished if host summons more help. Or, From could not be cunts and actually prevent phantom summons altogether once invaded.

4.D/C'ing is now tracked, and after a fixed (but not large) amount of mid-pvp dc's you get banned from online for some time. It resets when you return, and ban intervals gradually increase. Die fairly online, or play offline. Sorry if your internet is ass, but it can't be that bad, can it?

>>385384242
To isolate pvpfagot

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>>385388129
>dead
yeah

>>385392980
Thats chasing rats with lions, sounds fun on paper but it would only propagate the larger issue of unbalance.

>>385384242
Dedicated servers, nerf rolling so it doesn't take you out of any danger area ever for all time anymore. That would make it non-shit, it would take a fucking miracle to make any souls pvp actually fun and engaging.

>>385384242
Make it like in DaS2 except

match players by soul level instead of soul memory
give endgame weapons and upgrades a level requirement

Is Dark Souls 1 still fun to invade in?

If so, what is the best type? Low-level invasion, forest ganking, honor duels in Oolalice?

>>385384446
Yeah this. My most enjoyable invasion was in Dark Souls 1, when some guy invaded me and tried to use the basilisks to kill me. Now every invader is a bowing shitter with an obsession for duels.

>>385390045
The bell system is the only real problem there was for Bloodborne PvP. Everything else was fine.

>>385386174
Fuck you. Some of the best fun I had was haunting the Catacombs and flipping bridges when hosts didn't notice the oddly placed pot next to the lever.

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If they're going to keep this "Every time you invade the host has three whites and a blue" shit going on in 3, then they need to make it where another red can come in for every two phantoms the host has at least. I'm usually pretty good at souls PvP but there comes a point where the i-frames cease to protect you when you're getting waylaid in a small space by three ultra-weapons.

>>385384242
bring back poise

remove backstabs

punish havel + loincloth wearing degeneracy with actual useful armor

>>385388106
I enjoy the PvP in 3 well enough but the last part is what chapped my ass the most from 2 to 3. I loved being able to be primarily melee but have some pyromancy flexibility for utility and mix-ups. I could do that in 2. 3 makes all hybrid builds other than maybe STR/FAI into barely functioning memes.

>>385388149
Or just play offline. You can still summon Npc phantoms if you're too ass to deal with a boss, and if you wanna play with a buddy then maybe the two or three of you shouldn't be so crap at the game that a couple of invaders can completely halt your progress.

>>385384242
the series ended 1 year ago
they arent gonna do shit

>>385384242
By removing it

>>385384242

By Playing For Honor instead
Because, guess what, For Honor is NOT goner after all.

I don't care about "fixing" pvp so much as having the hostile NPC enemies play by the same fucking rules as PCs, because it sure seems like they don't fucking swinging UGSs like they're fucking claymores.

>>385384242
By removing Soul Memory matchmaking in Dark souls 2 and playing that instead

>get rid of stun locking entirely
heavy weapons can be poise broken during the >wind up part of the attack animation
>parrys are now just "perfect" blocks freeing up L2 as an attack button
>blocking hits will take up more stamina every consecutive hit
>backstabs are just gone
>rolling takes up a large amount of stamina and takes even more stamina with consecutive rolls
>back steps have i-frames again

>>385404414
And I meant in Dark Souls 3

>>385384242
implement raiding
multiple invaders bound together to invade larger Groups.
or a 3rd Party convenant that does the same Thing but also fights against other invaders, Mobs and hosts

>>385384242
Fix the poise

>>385405050
str weapons become unusable.

>>385405193
People said this before heavy weapons had their hyper armor buffed in DaS3 but I honestly think they were shitters who just tried to face fuck everything and got mad when they couldn't. I had zero problems before the patch and I think they way over did it.

>>385405050
>parries are perfect blocks
>no penalty for parrying too early because you just block the hit
it's trash

>>385396889
Invaders have no right at healing or any sort of Support.
youre basically trying to rob them, not have a fair fight

Slower estus, less estus, more recovery frames on rolls, fix phantom range, general weapon balance.

>>385405331
you had Zero Problems against whom?
if you use a Ultra greatsword and wind up an attack without Poise, guess whos gonna Counter your ass.
every single dex weapon that hits slightly faster than a turtle.
you cant even react to anything since everything you do is in slowmo.
all you can do is fish for backstabs and try to parry the first hit, cause the next few blows will stagger your shit into the ground

>>385396889
you shouldnt punish People for something they might not have any Control over. all you can do it maybe unbind alt+F4 to something that stuns the Player as a Gimmick. anything else would be unfair

>>385405836
DCing too often is a softban in dark souls 2 and it is terrific

>>385405910
its shit for anyone that doesnt have somewhat good Internet. or Shares their bandwidth with someone who torrents.

>>385405981
Good, fuck them. They ruin multiplayer for everyone they play with.

>>385385157
anon, we all know its the best solution. But realistically its never going to happen.

>>385384242

Remove hexes from Dark Souls 2. Change brotherhood of blood to token based promotions.

>>385405661
I had no problems out-spacing rapiers and curved swords with an UGS, I'm gonna be honest. The way it is now there is no way you're gonna do much to someone with an UGS unless you yourself are using a similarly heavy weapon in my experience.

>>385384718
Actually, "honour" is a thing in game, even if it's never explicitly stated what's the honourable way, that was left as an exercise to the playerbase. Read the description of the red sign soapstone
On the other hand, that very description implies you should be as much of a dick as possible in actual, red eye invasions, but I guess some people don't get subtlety
>>385384242
Assuming you mean for 3. Lower estus speed, remove the ability to move while chugging. For arena, add a permanent warmth in the centre of the arena. If the time runs out, whoever was the closest to it for the past 2 seconds wins.

>>385384242
I always liked doing and encountering people who came up with creative character builds and invaded in unique locations and use the various tools like Aural Decoy, Fall Control, Chameleon, Hush, Hidden Weapon, ect in interesting ways or just acted in nontraditional ways or found crafty ways of hindering your progress by making difficult areas more challenging or by using lesser known items or weapons with odd effects that most people haven't seen or used. Those are the memorable invasions.

I never gave a shit about a single min-max honor duel faggot. Which after Souls really took off and went mainstream and the hurr so hard shit took over is all you ever seemed to get. I was there for the novelty and the atmosphere, but it seemed like most of the audience quickly became teenagers with something to prove with their only reason for playing the game being validation from their peers. So when Dark Souls got it's DLC and there was a combat arena I was hoping that it would funnel all faggots that only play the game for PVP honor duels to those areas and the general quality of my invasions would increase but that never really happened because they never really made that arena that honor dueling faggots wanted.

If there was just like a separate mode for honor dueling queers, where you could just build a character and select any weapons you wanted and it tracked their statistics so they could show off to their friends maybe that would leave regular invasions for people who actually wanted to have fun with it and wanted to do something creative with it. I dunno. How do you mechanically reward creative invasions?

Graphics downgrade when?

I ain't upgrading my PC every 3 years just because of shitty looking graphics that can't even beat movie tier CGI or fucks sake.

>>385385005
this

all "fixing pvp" ever did was bringing the rest of the game down because "muh balance"

pvp is tertiary to souls games, go play forhonor or chivalry or some shit

>>385389198
except this thread's existance just proves that the majority of soulsfags want honorable esports mlg duels, preferably with spectators, tournaments and prizepools

>>385389920
they will also have multiple saveslots, ingame map and quest tracker

>>385390349
lmao why
there are still npc phantoms and summons if you play offline that can fill the same role, even if they are AI controlled and thus easier to figure out and beat.

i played through das offline first, then online, but then each subsequent playthrough has been done offline again, since i didn't find player invasions to be that much of a game changer, but tons of messages everywhere got annoying quite fast

>>385391428
>its all about the invasions though
it's all about the overall experience, and invasions are just one part of it, and they can be completely replaced with npc phantoms, which dasII brought to an extreme and showed that it's just as fun if not more, because of the consistency behind the AI

>>385384242

Limit number of times host can use summon signs once you've invaded

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-Bring back blue orb
-Friendly fire on for everyone
-No auras unless invading
-Summons can kill or help host but only get rewarded for the task their equipped covenant requires
-Ditch redundant covenants
-Scale level to invade (should both players choose the option)

>>385402754
Why is it that "gank squads" always have 2 - 3 ultra weapons and a Soul Arrow spammer?

PS3 died so never got to play demon souls

In what ways was it better than dark souls?

Don't, because it's not the focus of the games and it's not worth sacrificing a single fucking thing from PvE to accommodate.

>>385384242
Make it more like Destiny. Each class has a super move, make it like a desperation attack. Also, add cooldowns or disciples in the game. Like a self buff that increases health or defense for a set period of time. Add a healer class, so those that pvp in groups might have a chance against a super OP invader.

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>>385384242
>souls pvp
Souls games would be infinitely better without any multiplayer at all.

>>385384242
It's the lag that makes it shit. End of conversation. If you've ever played it on a local connection you'd know how fun it is with little to no lag

>get invaded by a twink mage
>Unzip gundyr's halberd and two shoot them because >1000 health is the new meta now
Got 200k souls yesterday from invaders

>>385400498
>try to be a dick bag invader
>from keeps killing all the shit that makes it fun

At least the can invade while the player is in the boss room glitch was fun while it lasted.

>>385410843
>Like a self buff that increases health or defense for a set period of time.
Sacred Oath?

>Add a healer class, so those that pvp in groups might have a chance against a super OP invader.
Projected Heal?
Heal?
Med Heal?
Great Heal?
Bountiful Sunlight?
Soothing Sunlight?

I run a miracle build as a weird support healer for invasions and co-op. The only thing you're missing is your "Super Move" but I could argue that if you all your buffs and your strongest attack that would count as a "Super Move" of sorts.

>>385411617
>meta dictats you have loads of stamina, allowing you to approach, attack and to have enough stamina to back off safely.
>only have enough stamina to approach and attack really
>people don't "punish" because they assume I'm just being cautious and conserving stamina

Metas a weird thing.

>>385384718
>and griefing

Yet they kept trying to implement safeguards against that in every game afterward?

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>>385410843
I get the feeling you don't play dark souls pvp very much anon

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>get invaded and almost kill the invader
>He runs and starts to hide behind mobs
>Go fight the boss because I'm not going to play a game of tag
>He messages me calling me a pussy for leaving the fight
Rude

>>385387098
>invade
>host has multiple summons
>they circle you as you spawn in, pressing r1 like their lives depended on it
>get killed because 1v4
>host and his entourage begin pointing down, hey'ing
>"get owned scrub"

These captchas are fucking gay, btw almost every invasion involves a host running away to estsus, seed, or summon.

If they keep summoning the same person, get the ps/xbox app on your phone and block them through that so they can't join back

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Remove duelfaggotry.
Stop trying to overbalance the game to cater to whiny shitters, ruining pve in the process.
Return fun griefing weapons like scraping spear or baby's nail.
Allow invader to use all switches again.
Keep bluefags to compensate.

>>385412637
>on "anti twink" build DS1
>undead burg NG+
>pyromancer's cloths and and hand axe for maximum cosplay as newb
>obsidian greatsword on switch
>get invaded by twink
>he chases me down to a corner
>pull out obsidian greatsword and one shot him with its special
>get fan mail
>"STupid ass cheater with twink gear lol get a life"

>>385412031
>>385411869
I'm just trying to find a way to make souls pvp more fun. It's usually so one sided that you rarely get a good 1v1.

>>385413167
SL700 anti-twinking and general hosting in DS1 was hilarious.
>NG+7
>summon Solaire and Lautrec
>2H a Havel's Greatshield in a passage leading out of invader's spawn point to the rest of location
>invader is forced to either black crystal the fuck out or come below and get raped by Lautrec doing like 1000 damage with a single shotel swing and having more than 3.5k health
fun times

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Make it fun again by buffing instead of nerfing everything