why do you hate the only good sonic game?

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>>385360667
sorry, wrong pic

>>385361472
>>385360667
Both were so much fun when I was younger. Bought both of them on xbox live a couple years back, admitedly still had fun. (Especially 1) However both aged like cheeze on a fucking sidewalk.

>>385360667
I don't. It's one of my favorite because I can actually see where I'm going.

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>>385361472
that one is inferior friendo

>>385362329
2 player mode needs to come back as well. Vs. mode was fun against someone as skilled as yourself.

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>>385360667
>only

I can still fucking sing this song from memory thanks to how much trouble I had getting the highest rank on this fucking stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYCNQVIA-xg

Because only 1/4 of it is actually fun

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>>385362554
Uh oh, this dude thinks Sonic is a good franchise!

>>385360667
Because it's not and also SA1 is better

I legit think the plot of this game is really well-paced and exciting. I'd orgasm if there was ever an full-length OVA that copied the plot of it, it just trots along so well. The only filler thing I can think of would be Knuckles adventures in Aquatic Mine and Pumpkin Hill.

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>>385360667
SA2 is horrid, SA1 was better and SA1 is a 6/10 at best. The true redpill is realizing Sonic Heroes was the best game from that era of modern sonic.

>>385364341
Sonic heroes plays like ass, its literally shadow the hedgehog without guns. SA1 and 2 at least have understandable acceleration.

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>>385364023
The issue is, the plot needs some filling in one or two places.

On that note, every eggman stage really shines in execution and purpose besides sand ocean.

>>385362473
>inferior
>2 started convoluted plots and edge for sonic games
>put tails in a mech and ruined shooting stages
>nerfed the emerald radar
>no comfy overworld

I loved all the hidden powerups, especially since there were so many you didn't need to complete the game. It really felt like there was so much to it. And with the Chao garden and the whole VMU thing? My childhood could have been sustained on Sonic Adventure alone.

>>385364541
>Sonic heroes plays like ass
Objectively wrong, you just didn't put the effort into learning it. You can control your momentum and verticality with character switching. It's not perfect (some times it feels like you're ice skating) but it plays a hell lot better than the adventure games.

>>385360667
I don't. VS Mode what SEGA needs to bring back. As well as the Chao Garden. There is no reason why a Sonic game doesn't have a 2 player mode.

And I'm not talking about shit co-op (Lost World) and the even shittier excuse of a NSMB 2 player (Colors).

The Shadow boss battle in Generations is what 2 player mode should be in Modern Sonic games. There is literally no excuse.

>>385364939
>tfw Unleashed brought back hidden powerups

Wasn't Unleashed supposed to be SA3? Replace Werehog with Knuckles, and add more of those Tails SA1-esque Tornado sequences and it could have been great.

>>385360667
2 moves being mapped to the same button

>>385365361
THIS.
Somersault was shit and we all know it.

>>385364921
>>nerfed the emerald radar
I played 2 so much that when I got it for PC I totally forgot about it. Doesn't make sense that they changed it, really would've made those space levels 10x easier if you didn't have to search all the way to the top of the level to find something, only to have to come back down to find the next one. Only reason I can think of is so the hint you're getting lines up with the one you're currently looking for but who actually uses the hints?

>>385360667
I loved the Adventure games when I was little, but I don't want to go back to them
I replayed Rush for the first time in ten years and couldn't get past the physics. You can just walk up any slope

>>385365135
It is not objectively wrong, you just explained to me that you have to abuse a mechanic to control your character. Movement in the game is slippery and imprecise. In SA 1 and 2 the characters feel like they're on the ground and not on ice. When you gain speed in SA you can at least stop.

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>>385365361
of all my issues with SA2, this might actually be the biggest

>over pit
>doing really good, run's been smooth so far
>trail of rings to light-dash
>press b
>bounce attack into the abyss

also, the fucking emerald radar sucks

>>385365135
>but it plays a hell lot better than the adventure games.
The level design is bloated and you play the same stages 4 times. Control is all heroes has.
>>385365349
Unleashed was doomed from the start, it added boost which totally goes against the fundamental idea of practicing a 1-5 minute course over and over to gain speed.

>>385365734
It's better than the clusterfuck that was MGS3's controls. I could never get past that. On paper it sounds like a good idea, stuff like the difference between choking and killing a guard is how hard you're pressing. In practice I fucking hated it though.

>>385365734
Atleast it's better than the light dash in SA1 where you have to hold it down to charge it up

>>385364794
Just imagine an SA2 OVA with Sonic CD intro animation style, shit would be too hype. The plot is pretty simple too so they don't really need too much dialogue.

>>385364794
>>385366613
There already is
Sonic X

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>>385360667

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>>385365727
>you just explained to me that you have to abuse a mechanic to control your character
What the actual fuck, game mechanics are abuse? You're encouraged to constantly cycle your characters in Heroes, that's the entire gimmick of the game, not stick to sonic for 99% of the level.
>In SA 1 and 2 the characters feel like they're on the ground and not on ice
Did we play the same game? The way sonic controls in the adventure games isn't good. Heroes is just the lesser of two evils.
>When you gain speed in SA you can at least stop
You can perfectly stop in Heroes too, but according to you core game mechanics are abusing the game.

Adventure games are shit slathered in thick nostalgia. SA2 had the better Sonic physics but unfortunately about 2/3rds of the game is complete dull horseshit. Don't get me wrong, Heroes isn't some 10/10 masterpiece, it's nowhere close to being the best sonic title, let alone best modern sonic title, it's just far better than Adventure 1&2.

>>385367108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puR4PIl0I9M

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>itt: anons fighting over which 3D sonic game was the best while completely forgetting the original 2D games are far superior

>>385367774
>you're arbitrarily not allowed to discuss 3D sonic games because the 2D ones are better
This is how retarded you sound.

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Sonic was never good, shitlords

>>385367173
>far better than Adventure 1&2
Thanks for the keks

>>385360667
It's amazing how many shitheads are triggered by knuckles.

>Oh no the emerald locations are randomized and I can't just rely on muscle memory. I might actually have to use my BRAIN

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Listen to this music with the webm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcGx6Fw5Bsw

>>385364541
I actually liked Shadow the Hedgehog's movement, it felt like the fastest of the 3D games before Unleashed, and while the run is a bit slippery it compliments Shadow's jet shoe animation

>>385363596
end this meme, only rouge's levels were more frustrating then fun

>>385367774
They aren't though. it being 2d litterally holds back the core part of what makes sonic good

>>385371967
>only rouge's levels were more frustrating then fun
Aquatic Mine says otherwise.

And the only good Eggman/Tails level is Eggman's one in space with low gravity.

>>385371967
>>385372184
>Eggman's levels being shit
Nah son, if anything they show that they're the most polished of the mech levels. Sand Ocean is your casual filter.

>Knocking Aquatic Mine
How? The level has an easy and accessible gimmick and its not too big.
Death Chamber and Eggquarters on the other hand, shit level composition
>inb4 Meteor Herd
no, its easy to head up and down quickly despite being pretty huge

>>385365182
I think It would get boring fast, since they would require special stages to be made, I doubt Sonic Team would make more than a couple.

>>385372184
>>385372489
City Escape: A+
Metal Harbor: A
Green Forest: B+
Pyramid Cave: C
Crazy Gadget: E+
Final Rush: C-

Radical Highway: A+
White Jungle: A
Sky Rail: C
Final Chase: D+

Prison Lane: C+
Mission Street: C
Route 101: D
Hidden Base: C
Eternal Engine: D-

Iron Gate: B+
Sand Ocean: C
Lost Colony: C
Weapons bed: B-
Cosmic Wall: A-

Wild Canyon: B-
Pumpkin Hill: A-
Aquatic Mine: D-
Death Chamber: D-
Meteor Herd: B

Dry Lagoon: C+
Egg Quarters: E-
Security Hall: D
Route 280: D
Mad Space: E-
Only rouge's are more bad then good.

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>>385365135
Playing as one character at a time > playing as three at once

>>385372184
Aquatic Mine was chill.

Granted I wasn't really trying for those emblems because fuck Green Hill. Also because powerups save you can just go back when you have the anti-drowning thingy.

Maria...

>>385371120
Wow, it's like you can't get past that clipping glitch. It just keeps happening dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx4DfHW0WtM

Post favorite music
this meteor herd and Aquatic Mine was the shit.
> TFW that sax was too hard for this game

>>385373452
I did but then the loop glitch kills me

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>Pyramid Cave that fucking low
I'll give you Final Rush being shit level design, but come on.
>Eternal Engine D-
>Lost Colony C
>Aquatic Mine D-
These three are at least a B minus. you were almost my nigga

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what happened to that one chao you sent away?

>>385374092
Hopefully got /ss/d by Vanilla after Cream brought him home.

>>385364794
>the plot needs some filling in one or two places.
I think a major one is the fact that in Gerald's last words before his death, he told G.U.N. about the Ark crashing into Earth. Why didn't they destroy it?

What games can I find with the late 90's/early 2000's atmosphere of Adventure? The atmosphere and soundtrack just takes me back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfqloFaznDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR6rOrU2p-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbUnNSChvb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16M9p6-Sw1s

all these fucking threads are the exact same

it's all nostalgia goggles

and i liked SA2 when i was a kid

>>385374092
Didn't send any away. The prick left me when i forgot to feed him after 5 seconds from coming out of hibernation. Fuckin only made demon chaos after that

>>385374809
Windy Hill always makes me think of early Kanto Pokemon for some reason. I swear I didn't really play any video games back then, but maybe I saw a commercial for Sonic Adventure once or something while watching pokemon because that association has been ingrained in me since I heard it.

>>385374809
The first Ty game

>>385364794
>sand ocean
Fuck I have bad memories of that level

I want another Sonic Adventure (1/DX) style game.

>Same story from 6+ perspectives.
>Every character has different gameplay
>Beating every story unlocks a final story for a true end

Adventure 2 fucked it up by only having a third of the story options, and forcing you to switch characters rather than letting you play each style as you want.

I want variety

>>385360667
SA2 was good but SA1 was better in every way.

SA2 had less story variety and made the knuckles and tails levels way more obtuse than they had to be while SA1 was all around fun.

>>385371120
I never ran into any problems in SA1 or 2. this probably only happens if you were deliberately try to go in the wrong direction

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How many of you actually played the game just for the Chao garden?

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>>385378189
won't lie, i still take care of the chao's on the sega dreamcast version
>TFW they will outlive me
who will take care of them then?

>>385360667
This isn't Sonic Generations?

>>385376389
I really liked walking around Station Square. There needs to be a sequel that takes place entirely in Station Square, and they massively expand it.

>>385378980
Generations is extremely overrated. The 2d parts were pretty flawed and that was like 75% of the game

The ONLY good sonic games:
>Sonic 2
>Sonic CD
>sonic 2PAC TRIBUTE
>sONIC ADVENTURE
>SONIC ADVENTURE 2
>sonic HEROS
>SHADOW the hedgehog
>sonic rush
>sonic unleashed

because it controls like ass, Tails sections are godawful, knuckles stages suck ass, the chao garden is boring, and I have never had any fun playing it

>>385379134
3D parts were actually good for once and I don't remember having any issues with the 2D sections (haven't played it since release though).

>>385379247
>good for once

I'd say it was worse then adventure 2's. It was certainly more polished then SA2 and less janky, but the boost gameplay style just isn't as responsive.

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>>385379180

>Sonic CD

>>385371120
Arin from Game Grumps intentionally making the game look bad by exploiting the pathing.

>>385379460
>More polished
>Less janky
>Worse
Ok then.

>>385360667

i didnt know you could start a thread without an image

It's 4chan what do you expect? You shouldn't take 98% of comments here seriously. Adventure 2 is arguably the best Sonic game competing with Heroes.

>>385379934
>Heroes
Heroes is fucking trash, and the worst game ever made next to Lost World

>>385379934
>Heroes
Hahahahahaha, good one anon!

The treasure hunting and mech stages were fun but 3d is just not a good idea for Sonic there's no way to keep Sonic fast and provide challenge at the same time

>>385379630
It's possible for something to be really fun and well done, but rough around the edges, you know.

That's what Sa2's main gameplay is

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Am i the only person in this thread who played SA2 correctly?

It's a family game. You were supposed to play it as a family.

The final boss is LITERALLY a tagteam boss where you were encouraged to swap controllers with your brother, and its split into 2 stories to where you could have seperate family members playing different story, but 8 characters on chao garden so everyone in your family can play chao garden

SA2B is the perfect family platforming game that has NEVER been replicated since

i'm honestly disappointed your guys childhoods were so shit that you never saw where SA2B shined the most.

>>385379594
>Flaws in a game can be easily surfaced
>"It's not the game that's flawed it's Game Grumps!"
Are you a child?

>>385380129
u wot, it's easier to do that with sonic in 3d then 2d, because in 3d you can actually see shit ahead of you, so the missions can be more about you reacting to obstacles as you see them and your skill at that rather then memorizing where they are placed

Sega should cancel Mania, apologize profusely for 1, 2, 3, S&K, CD, Chaotix, 3D blast and half of Generations, and only make Modern games from here on out

Classicfags are the cancer killing the Sonic franchise

>>385380401

kill yourself, my dude

>>385363402
>not city escape
kys

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Good 3D games:
-Sonic Adventure
-Sonic Adventure 2
-Sonic R
-Sonic The fighters

Mediocre 3D Games:
-Sonic Shuffle
-Sonic 06
-Sonic Unleashed
-Sonic Colors

Awful 3D Games:
-Sonic Heroes
-Sonic Lost World
-Sonic Boom
-Sonic Generations
-Anyth other garbage I forgot to mention

>>385380250
Two thirds of the game is playing as character's that aren't Sonic and Shadow and when you do play as them they have imprecise jumping and homing attacks. I'd personally say it's tedious and not fun.

>>385380603
Well, firstly, I was talking about the sonic and shadow gameplay in particular.

Secondly, I can respect that opinon, but I disagree, see >>385372870

>>385360667
If you think this is the only good sonic game you're probably a furfag.

How much would you pay for an updated and expanded chao garden game supplemented with mobile-esque mini games in lieu of the action stages from SA2?

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>Heroes actually gives you an entire game of "Sonic" levels
>People despise it

>>385380264

here in civilised countries we don't have 8 children

>>385380520
Yeah, City Escape is the best song ever to listen on repeat.

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Actually fixed this list:
Good 3D games(best to worst):
-Sonic Adventure
-Sonic Adventure 2
-Sonic Shuffle
-Sonic R
-Sonic The fighters

Mediocre 3D Games(best to worst):
-Sonic Unleashed
-Sonic Colors
-Shadow The Hedgehog
-Sonic 06


Awful 3D Games(best to worst):
-Sonic Generations
-Sonic Heroes
-Sonic Lost World
-Sonic Boom
-Any other garbage I forgot to mention(i.e. riders/dash, etc)

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>>385380527
>Sonic R
>Good 3D game
That's a load of shit

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Go me.

>>385381057
It is a good game, fuck you

>>385381094

its not

it controls like liquid shit

>>3853809
Generations is great get out of here.

>>385380829
>here in civilised countries we don't have 8 children
We can agree that SA2B is a really shit game to play single player

But if you have siblings or people to play it with, it becomes the best game in the entire franchise.

People's experiences with SA2B are usually linked with whether they had friends to play it with or not.

>>385381149
>2 sonics
>ruined prevoously good levels
>shitty hubworld
>introduced fat sonic back into modern games
No eat shit

>>385377735
>this probably only happens if you were deliberately try to move right on a right turn

POST YOUR FAVORITE SONGS

from either game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPH42HWs-Qs

>>385379594
>pathing.

You mean the anti-pathing

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OK FINAL LIST
Good 3D games(best to worst):
-Sonic Adventure
-Sonic Adventure 2
-Shadow The Hedgehog
-Sonic the Fighters
-Sonic Shuffle
-Sonic R

Mediocre 3D Games(best to worst):
-Sonic Unleashed
-Sonic Colors
-Sonic 06(buggy but good premise/also arguably an awful game)

Awful 3D Games(best to worst):
-Sonic Generations
-Sonic Heroes
-Sonic Lost World
-Sonic Boom
-Any other garbage I forgot to mention(i.e. riders/dash, etc)

>>385381376
>controls and levels are fluid
>time attack options, just like Sonic CD
>previously good levels get memorable parts to bring nostalgia, yet keeps it fresh, while remixing music, improving fluidly, and using set pieces to a genuinely impressive feel, which doesn't take up too much time of the level or control away from the player
>tight platforming, rewarding speed and timed jumps
>hubworld is flashy, reminding me of Sonic 3's level select and menu select, and completing levels brings color to the world
>2D Sonic levels are well designed, giving a new control and play style to keep it still Sonic, but also handing variety to stages
>your opinions are shit and you probably also hate 2D Sonic games

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>>385381602
Sonic R is still shit

>>385381749
Yes I hate 2D, fuck you get the fuck out of this thread and go jerk off to Mania faggot.

>>385381602
Did you just Google a list of Sonic games then randomly assign them to a list?

>>385380862
That along with Live and Learn

>>385381909
Great counter points. Appreciate your contribution to a livid discussion on why you dislike a game besides "it's shit."

Fuck off a cliff with your childlike thoughts.

>>385381909

You only like the bad Sonic games?

>>385381602
This list is all over the place with how wrong it is. 06 barely qualifies as a functional game, and is basically the Superman 64 of the PS360 gen. It shouldn't rank above anything.

>>385381602
>-Shadow The Hedgehog

Finally, someone who sees that Shadow the Hedgehog was actually a good game.

>>385382430
Undoubtebly one of the better games, I had so much fun with it recently.

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>>385381602
Congrats anon, you have found the truth and risen to greatness.

That's actually my favorite Sonic game. Fuck the gotta go fast bullshit. I am all about the Chao Garden.

I got all 180 emblems in this game. Plus the game's super glitchy, so you can pull off some weird shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be9-JA0-agw

>>385360667
I don't hate that game at all. I love it. It's probably the Sonic game I love 3rd most, behind only Sonic 2 and Sonic 3K (and even then, it only barely beats out Sonic 1, Sonic CD, Sonic Adventure 1, and Sonic Advance 1).

It's not a good game, if I had to critically examine the technical craftsmanship of the gameplay. There are ways to look at the game that make it seem well made (on accident), but the fact that it's accidental is one of larger points against it. As a 3D platformer, it fails to live up to the technical craftsmanship of the gameplay of Sonic 3K.

As a pet raising sim, and multplayer party game, it works. The Chao shit is reasonably deep, polished, and distinct. The multiplayer mode makes proper use of the stages' capabilities, and treats them like minigames for petty competition against friends and siblings.

As a platformer serving as a successor to Sonic 3K, it doesn't quite meet the mark. As a sim and party game, it stands out, I think. This isn't what they meant to make. They meant to make a good 3D platformer. Instead, they made a mechanically mediocre 3D platformer, with a great simulator and party mode. Imagine if that 2 Player mode was tied to a board game.

>>385360667
This doesn't look like sonic heroes to me.

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>>385372870
>Crazy Gadget: E+
Damn straight

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>>385360667
the good thing about this sonic game is the fact that sonic wasn't the real game

Posting the best sonic games

>sonic unleashed
>sonic heroes
>sonic adventure 2

honorable mentions
>sonic adventure
>sonic rush
>sonic advance 2
>sonic 06 with some beer and a friend

>>385380823
Heroes had issues in level design, you had to use the slow flight form way too often, and some levels felt like they actually were too long and repetitive (Rail Canyon comes to mind)

Also does not helo that for full completion Heroes makes you essentially play through the game 3 times, and then a 4th time as Chaotix with a mission objective that is often rather tedious.

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Personally, I think all of the 3D Sonic games are bad.

>>385384923
>le classicuck

You have a million mania threads to jerk off to your fat ass sonic with. Go to one of them

>>385383753
I still have fond memories of cheesing the fuck out of friends with amy "constantly spamming abilities" rose. Spent hours trying to jump down the entire level instead of grinding in that one air rail where the entire level is a giant grind.

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Recently replayed Sonic Colors on Dolphin with a 60 FPS patch. Its actually more fun than I remember. The only real issue is how few and basic the 3D segments are.

>>385384923
I agree. The closest thing to a good 3D Sonic game is Sonic Generations, but even that is bad.

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>>385385080
>mfw always pick Metal Sonic without telling my friends that he's OP

>>385385249

Sonic Generations is trash. The 2D parts are broken and the 3D parts are the usual brainless boosty boost shit.

Shit game for shit tastes.

>>385385341
Even being Metal Sonic does nothing to save you from Amy spamming her control freeze special.

Though I did discover you can speed up the timer by mashing buttons.

>>385360667
FACT, it was the best sonic game ever made.

>>385385080
>Playing 2-Player
>Hitting a checkpoint allows either player to respawn there
>We choose not to hit any checkpoints at the risk of giving the other an edge
>Both of us die, have to restart the entire stage

Good times

>>385360667

Sonic Adventure 2 is shit.

>>385385454
BRUH the day I learned that was the first time I was ever called a cheater for literally just playing the game
Could always tell who the real friends are if they either walked off in anger or if they started spamming buttons too

>>385385682
kill self

>>385385439
IMO the 2D parts of Generations were worse than Colors

>>385385709

No. Flush your copy of that shitty game down the toilet right now. Shit needs to be flushed. Don't leave shit lying around your living environment. It can lead to health problems. Flush it.

The only people who think Sonic Adventure 1&2 are good haven't played them recently.

Sonic Adventure 2 is 3rd only to Sonic 06 and Shadow the Hedgehog on the "Worst Sonic games of all time list." It was the worst Sonic game for a couple of years, at least.

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Been replaying a bunch of the old Sonic games in preparation of Mania, just finished the Genesis version of 3D Blast today. It's probably the only classic game that actually gave me trouble other than Mean Bean Machine because I'm shit at Puyo. The game isn't too hard until you reach the boss of Volcano Valley, then it stops fucking around.

>>385386159
I've been playing Sonic Adventure on Playstation Now. It's never been perfect, but I'm having a good time still. I forgot how much I loved the music in this game.

>>385386202
Hello egoraptor

>>385387489

He said "Sonic Adventure 2", not "Ocarina of Time". Everybody hates Sonic Adventure 2 outside of a handful of autists in their mid 20s.

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>>385366938
This is the only good thing to come out of X.

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>>385374092
Ever wonder what chili dogs are made of?

>>385387489
>someone on youtube that I don't like said something it can't be true.

>>385367173
Heroes is one of my favorite games but even I know it's inferior compared to SA 1&2.

>>385387627
cosmo a cute

is there sfm porn

>>385387878
Not yet. The model's not released. It's pretty close though. And then it'll only be a matter of time until Kabal Mystic gets a hold of it.

>>385388009
there better be ntr porn where tails gets cucked

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So someone who's actually knowledgeable about Game Design and worked on Sonic Mania thinks it's bad...

>>385368125
Mario*

>>385388379
>knowledgeable about Game Design

Uhhh...no

>>385388379
>actually knowledgeable about Game Design
Ayo is this nigga serious? Ego"sequelitis"raptor knows game design. He can't even play video games hahahaha

>>385363654
Arin Joseph Hanson, don't you have hormones to take and violent breakdowns to have?

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>>385388379

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I just downloaded both of them out of nostalgia. Didn't remember the cameras being so bad. And some of the levels being so awful it made me wanna quit going for the achievements.

>>385380293
>He doesn't know what Game grumps is.
>He doesn't know they can't play video games, the one """"job"""" they have

Tenouttaten made me respond

>>385376389
Fuck big though, that shit took forever.

SONIC ADVENTURE 1 SOUNTRACK >>>>>>>>>>> SONIC ADVENTURE 2 SOUNDTRACK

>>385389278
Agreed, if only because Emerald Coast has a 11/10 track.

I liked Shadow the Hedgehog.
Sincerely.

>>385360667

But I don't hate it. It's just some random bad game that people a lot younger than me like that happens to feature characters from the Sonic series. I don't have time to hate random shovelware made for Spongebob and Shrek loving kiddies.

>>385384683
are we just going to ignore how hard this guy tried to bait us?

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>>385388379
>Listening to criticisms about game design from someone with movie length videos made about how incompetent he is at video games and how most of his criticisms stem from how shit he is at games
Pretty good bait, got me to reply.

>>385389119
Just wait until you get to Lost World in Adventure. Oh, and god help you if you try to clear all the missions. The first at a certain point, the snake, is everything that can go wrong with a 3D sonic game x10. Bad camera angles, falling through shit, wonky ass physics, all in this one pain in the ass room. The second, there's a particular mission you'll lose your sanity over trying to complete.

I will personally fight and murder everyone who says SA2B is not among the top three Sonic games.

>>385390415
Honestly, SA2 might be the GOAT videogame full-stop.senpai

>>385388379
>The first at a certain point, the snake, is everything that can go wrong with a 3D sonic game x10
Whew, ho-lee shit. That part is honestly one of the worst moments in Sonic vidya history. I'm certain the only reason it doesn't get brought up by critics more is because that would involve actually being good at video games to get that far.

Everyone just posts shit like >>385371120 and go LOOK HOW BAD IT IS WHEN YOU PURPOSELY BREAK IT. No, motherfuckers, there are parts that are legitimately just bad. They are there to be used as examples, if you actually gave a shit instead of just posting weak bait.

>>385390415

It's among the worst, imo. Need an address, m8?

>>385390690
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Suite 3. Come and fight me, bro.

>>385390415
Will you accept top 5 but in no particular order

Look idiots

Watch this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn3hReb25Xk

Can you honestly say to me that this is not the best sonic game that has ever existed

>>385390952
Okay, I think that's a sensible compromise.

>>385388234
Hi dreamcastzx

>>385381749
>2D Sonic levels are well designed, giving a new control and play style to keep it still Sonic, but also handing variety to stages
Too bad he controls nothing like the classic games. He SLOWS DOWN when rolling down a slope.

I don't.

I remember playing this at sleepovers at my best friend's house back in the day.

>>385391714
Did any gay stuff happen

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>>385360667
>>385361472
funnily enough i just finished marathoning both games
first one had the worst hubworld fucking imaginable and was glitchy as hell, virtually unplayable
second one, the sonic/shadow levels were fine but the controls were insanely sluggish and heavy. the tails and knuckles levels are unforgivably, undefendably bad.

>>385364341
Agreed. I went into Heroes expecting a nightmare and other than some levels going on for FAR too long, as a whole the game is less painful than SA2 in every way.

>>385364794
>every eggman stage really shines in execution
How? HOW!?
The mech levels are all horrible and pathetically simplistic. They are so bare-bones and monotonous. I cannot think of worse shooter mechanics in any other game.

Am I the only one who grades games by the entertainment value of their glitches? SA2B is the best Sonic game BY FAR.

>>385365734
in b4 "I never had that problem"

There's always some Sonic autist that claims he never had a single camera or control issue.

>>385391940
what is this fetish called?

>>385390415
I'd put it in top 10. And I love the shit out of the game.

>>385392370
there are several, which?

>>385390292
Which one, if it's the flag mission with the boulder I just waited until it fell and climbed back to get them all.
>>385391009
> ORA ORA ORA ORA

>>385390415
Why "Battle" specifically? The expanded yet still pathetic multiplayer that much of a deal breaker for you?

>>385392516
the guy with strapon being denied.

>>385392569
no idea, that's too specific

>>385392550
I just didn't have a Dreamcast when I was 9 or 10. I only had a Gamecube.

>>385392768
I mean it's just a guy with a strapon hes already beign denied if he does that.

>>385391940
Is Tails in the robot or watching from the robot?

>>385381602
GOOD
>Sonic Adventure
>Sonic Adventure 2
>Sonic Generations

OK
>Shadow the Hedgehog
>Sonic Heroes
>Sonic Colors
>Sonic Unleashed

IRREDEEMABLE GARBAGE
>Sonic the Fighters
>Sonic R
>Sonic Shuffle
>Sonic 06
>Sonic Lost World
>Sonic Boom

>>385393308
see >>385381602

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>>385393308
>generations
>good

>>385393308
besides generations and colors and MAYBE heroes, you didn't name a single good game

>>385392540
Nah that's not it. Mission 53. There's another snowboarding mission but I know I cleared that one.

>>385393308
Move The Fighters to okay and add 3D Blast somewhere in there and you've got yourself a deal.

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>>385393809

They're all bad, George. All of them.

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>>385394637
Only Sonic Adventure 1&2 were good, fuck off.

>>385394460
Which one is that? I cleared all the missions in this game a few years ago and did some today just for fun.

>>385394756
Is that picture real?

>>385394835
Yes

>>385394813
You find the card or whatever for it right after passing the entrance to Red Canyon but before crossing the bridge to where the master emerald is on a rock. Something like do 3 high jumps in a row or some such thing, it's a sonic mission.

>>385393308
>Sonic the Fighters
>Sonic R
>bad
Actually, wait. Why are they even on the list, but you're not including things like the Riders series, Battle, the Rush games, All Stars Racing Transformed (arguably one of the best kart games ever), Rivals, or the Advanced series? Where's the story games? Where's Chronicles?

Why pick and choose those particular games?

>>385394756
Sonci Adventure 1&2 were good if you happened to be 10 years old when they were released. I was already an adult, so naturally I thought they were crap.

>>385395095
People forget about Battle way too often but I guess I can't blame them. Never had a rerelease as far as I know, only references to it later in the series are by Advance 3 with Gemerl.I like it, but even so something about it just feels rushed.

>>385395017
oh yea, you have to do all the jumps at the end of ice cap with the exact right timing, it's really annoying

>>385395348
Also can't forget that playing as the main focus of the game is a pain in the ass starting out.

>>385393308
>We could have got a real Saturn Sanic game if those stupid dips at STI didn't turn the system into developement hell trying to steal Naka's Nights engine
We got stuck with a half assed racing game istead
>Director went on to make Sonic Boom

I'm still fucking mad. Saying Mania is "inspired" by Sonic being on Saturn doesn't change the past.

>>385392870
But still. Why specify Battle?

>>385395123
I played them for the first time a few weeks ago and thought they were honestly pretty good. I can see why people think they've aged poorly but I don't understand people calling them shit and on par with 06 and Boom. They're far from perfect but still a lot of fun to play through. I wouldn't mind if the Sonic/Shadow/Tails style of platforming returned one day

>>385395656
I didn't own the original. I didn't have a Dreamcast; just the Gamecube. I only had Battle. that's why.

>>385395656
Because I had an argument that I remembered playing sa2 on dreamcast but my friend insisted I was wrong and the game only existed on gamecube

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Are the Sonic Game Gear games worth playing?

>>385397790
Tails Adventure.

>>385371967
>it being 2d litterally holds back the core part of what makes sonic good
wew

Both Adventure games are a mediocre but still I enjoy the crap out of them.

So glad the sales feedback from Mania and Forces will kill modern Sonic.

>>385400131
Forces is going to sell a lot more than Mania, but be less good of a game

>>385397790
Sonic Chaos and Sonic Tripple Trouble are legit

Sonic 1 is a cute but kind of off and Sonic 2 is straight up torture. 2 is worth playing just to see how weird it is compared to any other main line Sonic game

>>385400171
This, and alot of people are going to pirate mania day one, because its a shitty romhack.

>>385400739
It's actually a ground-up game built on Taxman's unique Retro engine, made as a celebration of everything classic Sonic and the fans who love it.

Enjoy your soulless melodramatic boostshit though.

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>>385400739
>shitty romhack

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>>385400885
Its a romhack, infact I know better romhacks. Sonic Classic Heroes will be better than mania, mark my words.

>>385377735
>>385379594
>this only happens when you stop holding forward

>>385401117
>Its a romhack
It factually is not, by definition.

>I know better romhacks
You think you do, because you're both spiteful and clueless.

>>385401117
There's no ROM that was hacked in order to serve as Mania's foundation.

>>385401364
The only ROM that was hacked was love anon, love.

SA2 only brought a few good sonic levels, barely any good knuckles levels, better light speed shoes, bound bracelet, and some music. Other than that it did nothing better than SA1.

>>385401562
And even though the Sonic parts are the best part of SA2 they are still much narrower in scope compared to SA's Sonic parts. Everything about SA2 was a step back except for the chao garden.

>>385360667
>>385361472
>pics unrelated

>>385401562
>No loading screens in Sonic levels
>Level design wasn't dogshit
>Mech levels no longer have a stupid time limit
>Knuckles levels are actually almost fun now

>>385402437
There were no mech levels in SA1 since Gamma isn't a mech and Knuckle levels are far more fun because of the radar not being complete shit.

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>mfw remembering I made literally hundreds of different chao fanart things as a wee lad
ugh

I wasted way too much of my childhood raising chaos

fuck

>>385402593
SA1 Knuckle levels were some of the most tedious shit I ever had to slog through.

>>385402818
They were smaller and had a better radar. The heck are you talking about?

WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN

>>385402748
Time wasted enjoying it is not a waste.

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>>385388379
>That part in Sonic Unleashed where he replayed a boss fight thinking it was the next objective

Holyfuck Arin

Live and Learn > Sonic Heroes > Open Your Heart > I Am All of Me
If we're going purely by main game themes

>>385403161
All whille talking about how the wii version is actually better because he heard the hubworlds are sonic 06 tier.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO MAKE A SIMPLE SPEED TRANSITION?

>>385403139
It was sheer autism though
I had like, pages of different types of chaos

My dad found them and then I stopped making them

lost my old SA2 disc and now the only game from my childhood I still play is melee and pokemon

rip

Sonic unpopular opinions time?

I never liked Chemical Plant Zone,
I have no idea why it's so popular outside of having a really catchy theme.

>>385403343
You got all that creative shit out of your system, you learned shame, and none of it is on the internet attached to your real name for all eternity. You are way, way ahead of the pack.

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>"Sonic Adventure is better than Sonic 06!"
>Sonic clips through the wall
>Sonic keeps gravitating towards the walls
>Camera sometimes fucks up
>The entirety of Big The Cat's levels
Really installs my PC games.

>>385403832
Still beats loading screens for loading screens

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>>385403538
I think S3&K is better than CD

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For those interested, some anon is dumping Kayona Kim pics

>>>/trash/10703527

>>385403832
Have you actually played Sonic 06?

>>385403951

More variety yes, but I wouldn't say "better"

>>385388379
The fuck are you talking about? Arin knows nothing about game design and he sure as hell didn't work on Sonic Mania

>>385404002
I wish I fucking didn't. Adventure and 06 are both glitchy messes.

>>385403538
I don't like the majority of Sonic 1/2's zones, their colour palletes put me off greatly. 3K and CD are vastly superior.

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>Mania Comfy threads died in favor of a blatant bait thread
somebody's dying for this

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>>385397790
Same guy here. Just got back from playing a couple of the Game Gear titles. Jesus, these games are fucking ass.

>>385406105
I will fucking cut you

>>385406308
Which ones do you like, anon?

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>>385405243
Sonic 2 in general feels really clunky to me. Maybe its necause they made so many last minute changes, but a lot of that was for the worse and didn't sit very well. Just listen to some of the music compared to Sonic 1, it feels like they just used the stock instruments and gave them no flair or effect whatsoever. Hill Top feels more like the starting level than Emerald Hill desu, it at least wasn't a complete Green Hill carbon copy, but ended a carbon copy of Emerald Hill.
Just make the game you wanted, we don't need all these last minute changes

>>385406396
1, Chaos and Tails Adventure. Even 2 has it's weird little charm (Green Hills is my jam)

Granted this was on Sonic Adventure DX which I believe uses the Master System versions.

>>385360667

I don't hate any of the genesis games though. Or the newer ones like generations and colors either.

"sonic was never good" and "sonic only has a few good games" is bullshit. Sure they hit some really really really hard lows but they've got some gems in there too. Not even a fan either just annoyed at how many people have no idea what they're talking about with sonic.

>>385406632
Nah DX used the GG versions.

>>385380527
>Sonic 06 in the same tier as Colors and even Unleashed
>being better than Heroes and Generations
>including Shuffle on any list