What am i in for?

very discount persona

use buffs

>>385311920
Same thing your parents said when they conceived you

rejecting gods

ONE

Game over screens

Demon fusion sounds complicated. Is this a good first SMT?

Annoying random encounters. The reason I dropped it after that matador boss

>>385312331
Demon fusions is the mian basis of the franchise.
If you want to be a bitch baby, you can start with Digital Devil Saga. It is a spin off that has a team of 5 permanent part members, instead of a demon recruitment system.
Same combat system and abilities though.

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Pretty good RPG

>>385312456
Ha, i was wondering when "he" would get posted.

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Magic of physical?

An overrated game

>>385311970
>>385312348
>>385312897
hello personababbies

>>385312836

Physical. Punch out those demons.

Literally every single Nocturne thread I've seen here is from a faggot "about to start it"
>what am I in for?
>tips for newcomers?
>will I like it if I've only played P5?
Fuck off and kill yourself, you're not gonna play it anyway so why are you wasting everyone's time?

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>>385312331
Yes it is. Demon fusion isn't so complex unless you're trying to fuse a very specific demon.

>>385312348
The random encounters in Nocturne never bothered me, in SMT1 they're infuriating though.

>>385313185
>Demon fusion isn't so complex unless you're trying to beat the game
Anyway, stop wasting brainpower to reply to these retards, they just say they're going to play the game so they can fit in and get some (You)'s.

>>385313302
You do not need a perfect party to beat the game.

I'm thinking of playing through this again and have to ask:

How viable is a magic build?

>>385311920
The worst dungeons in the entirety of mainline SMT, but with good combat.

>>385313372
You do if you're a retard and play it on hard as your first SMT. I even did all the kalpas and shit

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>>385312057
A little miracle?

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>>385313185
We will never have god hand x nocturne

>>385312331
you can just look up a chart that tells you what combinations of demons will get you what result

and the amount of people for whom Nocturne was their entry into the franchise speaks for itself

>>385313771
its viable, but Demi-Fiend only has lie one unique magic skill, compared to having a whole bunch of unique phys skills

Personally I find a hybrid build biased towards STR most rewarding

The fiends are easy mode. If you want a bigger challenge and more variety, avoid using them

It's a shame they designed the game so that picking up deathstones fucks your fusion charts every single time. Using them and getting the earlier demons back is also a pain but it's the only way to try and keep it as clean as possible

I love this game. I have the best memories of its atmosphere and I always remember fusing stuff and getting some crazy skill changes

Is SMT IV better or worse than Nocturne?

I liked Nocturne, but I didn't like how biased it was towards the True Demon end, and how it passive aggressively insulted you for not picking that route.

What are the ups and downs of IV compared to Nocturne?

>>385314625
IV has better dungeons (not saying much) and music, but combat is a little more broken. There's a lot more choice in your alignment though. Also the difficulty curve in IV is boned, it starts off super difficult and then levels out, but that's not a huge deal if you've played over Megaten games. It was my first SMT, and I enjoyed it. IVA has way better combat and mechanics, but the story/characters have been divisive within the community to say the least. That said, you shouldn't play IVA without playing IV.

>>385311920
Fun, a few very shitty dungeons, the least sympathetic NPCs ever except for Hijiri and the manikin guy.

I'm this >>385314378 fag

IV (and mostly every smt game that comes after nocturne) have better gameplay and better dungeon design (although in my subjective point of view, I enjoy nocturne's dungeons more.... IV's are lacking, while nocturne's are more convoluted and irritating with and without estoma)

I can tell you what nocturne does better than IV in my opinion: atmosphere, music, graphics, story, characters

What IV does better: gameplay, dungeon crawling (but not art design), customizing stuff

To be fair, the really bad dungeons that nocturne have are nothing in comparison to grinding your ass off for the neutral ending in IV

And don't get me started on apocalypse, which throws all sense of urgency and atomsphere out of the window for some of the most retarded character interactions and fan service in the series

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>>385314625
It improves over Nocturne in many ways. but it has a lot of downsides to it too. The combat is worse because there's a newly introduced Smirk system that is extremely overpowered and it combined with the human characters that help you that have unreliable AI mean you can be severely punished for something that is not your fault at at all. The difficulty curve isn't great either and neither is the world map, but those three things are the games only major downfalls, I'd say. It has an enjoyable story with one really excellent segment before the alignment lock, it's a little biased towards being Neutral, but not to the degree that Nocturne is to TDE. The designs are also hit or miss because they brought on guest artists so it all feels inconsistent. IV:A improves on almost everything except the story and characters, which are not terrible, but the cast is largely pretty unlikable outside of the Demons that have a role in the story. IV:A also has pretty forgettable dungeons, now that I think about it. The Demon designs are also generally better because they just had the lead artists designs the new ones and he also fixed up some of the ones introduced in IV, unfortunately some of the better designs from IV got left behind. You should definitely play IV and IV:A, though.

>>385311920
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW PERSONA IS EVIL

>>385311920
one more god rejected.

>>385312456
Spanish bombs

>>385315162
I heard about the shit the human AI pulls; it sounds like complete bullshit.

Is there any way to disable it?

>>385315769
Go live by the river.

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>>385315763
Pretty much this

>>385311920
some quality Dante from the Devil May Cry Series action

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>>385315934

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Does anyone have that image of what are are good SMT/persona entry points and all that?

>>385311920
One hit by a group of angels in the dessert with hama. Also rejecting gods of course.

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>>385316324

>>385315896
No, but in IV:A you can choose who your AI partner is and only one of them is actively detrimental to have helping you.

>>385311920
a JRPG done right

>>385316652
Thats amazing, needs a real capote though

>>385311920
A jrpg that's probably slightly different than most you've played.

The story isn't really the focus, it's just kind of there but the atmosphere and gameplay are amazing

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>>385314776
>better dungeons
IV has literally 3 dungeons, the starting cave and the 2 end game dungeons. Navigating the overworld is harder than all of them combined

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How easy it is to fuck up my build or demons and ruin the game?
I want to go in blind but im scared of reaching a point and realizing that i just wasted 20 hours on a useless character.

>>385316948
Don't worry about it, you can fuck up, but I wouldn't say you're likely to. Just make sure you invest in Strength for Demifiend and don't try to be a jack of all trades.

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>>385316948
Just go str and vit if you're really worried. Of course you want to invest in ag and luck too but focusing on str is a pretty fun way to play.

>>385311920
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED
Use buffs or get raped by Matador

>>385311920
I really loved the gameplay, but I just wish the plot was explained a bit more. You need to do the true demon ending and do the optional dungeon to get any useful context for the story. Otherwise it's just a bunch of pyschopaths forcing you to choose sides.

>>385311920
Where is the "featuring Danta from Devil May Cry"?

>>385312456
When it comes to early SMT bosses Minotaur and Medusa from 4 were much worse and hell, even Sukuna Hikona from 4A was worse

>>385316948
There's no possible way to fuck up.

Even if you make a shit build, you can always build a good enough party to compensate.

Here's a run down of the stats:
>Strength
Increases physical attack damage. A very good stat.
>Magic
Increases effectiveness of spells. Also good, but learning new spells requires you to master magatama. Pro tip for magic builds: dismiss Pixie once you reach the park to get a healing magatama early.
>Vitality
Increases max HP. You gain HP every time you level up, so this is one doesn't have much use unless the stat is really high.
>Agility
Increases evasion and hit rate. People will disagree, but I think this is the most useful stat in the game, since dodging an attack causes the enemy to lose a turn.
>Luck
Increases crit rate. Also very useful, since you gain an extra turn when you land a crit.

If I had to give any advice for making builds, it'd be to pick three of these skills and rotate putting points between each of those three every level up. Don't try to be a jack-of-all-trades or it will bite you in the ass.

>>385317623
Luck doesn't increase crit rate. It increases the rate of getting first hit in random encounters and other random stuffs

>>385317623
World of STR is the only acceptable way to play

>>385313771
It's probably easier than physical up until about midlate game where physical starts to shine. It's still totally viable even then but I wouldn't try to beat Lucifer on a mag build

Just get tornado+wind boost and coast until you get the gehenna magatama

>>385318287
If that's so, then why is Demi-Fiend canonically a magic user (DDS)?

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>>385311920
>got really into SMT in 2015/2016
>kept starting playthroughs of games and not finishing them
>ended up getting burnt out on RPGs in general from playing too much
>still reluctant to continue my current Nocturne playthrough
SMT games are top-tier, especially Nocturne, but don't over-indulge on them.

>>385311920
Ahahagjsjsgzhsjshhxnsjshsnd drink the wine of god something

>>385312456
>don't give a shit about matador and beat him on the first try
>get stuck on some random ass sub-boss in the underground train system
>have to look up a guide on how to deal with some nigger who can have you waste 100% of your turns due to clones
why has matador and to a lesser extent mot become such memes when there's a ton of balls to the wall bosses in this game?

>>385318798
Because the majority of people who "played" Nocturne quit at Matador and don't know about any of the other bosses

>>385317623
>dismiss Pixie
No, You piece of shit

>>385318670
I am the bug inside you
I have your back to the wall
Survived the fall from grace
Drink the wine of the wrath of God

One more god rejected
I am the bug inside you
One more god rejected
I have your back to the wall
One more god rejected
Survived the fall from grace
One more god rejects the wrath of God
It's sung from the Magatama's perspective.

>>385318798
Because he's optional

>>385311920
One more god rejected

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>>385318798
>tfw figured that guy out on a whim on first turn just because I entered during full moon because abusing Bright Might

>>385318905
Keeping Pixie only matters for the TDE.

She's expendable otherwise.

>>385313771
Tornado/Wind Cutter + Force Boost will carry you to the end of the game where it becomes SHITTTTTT. Seriously, don't make the same mistake as I did and transition into a STR build right around 20 base MAG or so, I'm pretty sure you also get one of the actually good Physical skills around that point too.

One of the most fun JRPGs. Punch everyone in the face. Acquire Dante and punch more people in the face.

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>>385312140
MORE TIME

>>385311920
Dante from the Devil May Cry series

>>385319291
How does it become shit when bosses and enemies with repel phys become more common then?

Wouldn't having a Demi-Fiend that could cast various elemental spells negate the need to fuse demons who could do that?

>>385318798
Because Matador is the first wall you meet and Mot is pure RNG

>>385319567
>Mot is pure RNG
Makajaka+ Ziodyne him and he's dead. He's not difficult in the least bit.

>>385319460
Is he a secret boss or can i have him in my party?

>>385319680
His first fight is mandatory and yes you can.

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>>385319460
Redeems his second best design.

>>385318798
Because
>it so sudden
>it appears after you just through a "wall" (which is the door), where most players probably don't save before that
>He's harder than the previous enemies because he use buffs all the time
The surprise and difficulty alone made him the perfect casual filter, because he's a wall and I assume some players just quits after facing him and die.

>>385319918
Toreador skeleton is an awesome design so that helps too

>>385318645
Same here. I've beaten all the Fiends and passed two of the bosses at the Diet Building but I still feel burnt out on it even after not playing for a month. One of my friends is ordering physical copies of Nocturne and DDS so I only booted it up to give him a quick rundown on the games. I still really enjoy the demons, worlds, and themes SMT has but I've yet to finish any of them.

>>385311920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQAL3l7PsXo

>>385318645
That happened to me with SMT too.
Although on Nocturne in particular, I'm stuck at Lucifer since I'm sort of underleveled and none of my demons bar Demi-fiend has pierce.

>>385317623
am I the only person who abuses the magatama bonus stat on level?

>>385318645
>not finishing them
>playing too much

I think you dont really like SMT, only parts of it.