Its less than fastfood bill

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>>385303546
>muh "exclusive" discounts

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>>385303853
No privilege to play bloodborne for you, pcbro

>>385303546
you dont need to pay for it to pay online and get ps plus games for free ;)

>>385304269
play*>>385303546

>>385304156
You don't need ps+ to play Bloodborne, in fact there are no games worth buying ps+ for

>>385304269
On ps3 - yes, on ps4 - its mandatory.

>>385303546
>Less than fastfood bill
>$9.99
I won't say I'm not a fatass but I don't spend $10 on fast food. A meal is usually $6 at most places.

>the PeeCucks are STILL bitching about paid online
BACK to your F2Ps and MOBAs

>>385304730
>has to pay extra to use his own Internet connection
>but it's the people who don't have to pay that are cucks

>>385304550
yes you can on ps4.Just make a new account, im not spoon feeding you anymore , figure it out

>>385303546
yeah but who the fuck actually buys fastfood?
shits gross as fuck

>>385303679
>need to pay for cloud
Holy shit.

>>385304891
its the best thing ever if you work a lot and don't have much time to cook for yourself

>>385303679
sonies pay for saving your savefiles off console?
lul

The reason I never bought any xbox stuff was because of paid subscription.

I'll never buy any console that has a paid subscription.

Ever.

This thread reeks of toxic mustard

>>385305013
And they have to pay for discounts

>>385305045
and when PC starts doing it?

>>385304962
Prep on the weekends or cook a ton for leftovers. No excuse.

>>385305045
It's not like consoles have any multiplayer games worth getting subscriptions, all exclusives are single player games

>>385303546
Buy 4chan pass, it's the price of a soda can a month

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>>385303546
>if you pay you have free access to online and free games

>>385305097
Not the same anon, I own a PC, PS4 and 3DS. But....It would make 0 sense to do so
Gaben wouldn't be that retarded or at least I'd hope so.

>>385305179
The most played games on the ps4/xbone are almost all multiplayer

>>385305267
im just saying paid mods is a gateway drug

>>385303546
I don't go to fast foods since I'm not human trash so why would I pay for this either

>>385305097

PC is an open platform. That can't ever happen.

I owned all 3 previous play stations but won't buy any future ones if paid subs continue.

And just to be fair. I'll happily pay for an MMO sub. For some games a subscription is worth it.

A generic online connection subscription is not, and never will be. You're just segregating your network behind a pay wall and I'm happy to never be a part of it.

>>385305097
NEVER EVER

(steam tries doing it everyone switches to origin)

>>385303546
I can't

it's the reason I built a PC instead of getting a PS4 on launch despite being a Sonyger since I was 6 y/o

>>385305321
>That can't ever happen.
W10 is doing it as we speak

>>385305312
Not that paid mods will start anything.

>>385303546
Xbox 360 started it, while the PS3 offered it for free. People demonstrated that they were willing to pay for online.

I'm not, and I don't. If that means I can't play online due to not having PS+, then I only buy the game if I think I'll be satisfied with the single player.

>>385305312
Paid mods is NOWHERE near as bad as paid online, and every time there's been a shitstorm.

>>385305312
PC is filled with 3rd worlder. It just won't werk.
t. 3rd worlder

>>385304962
I'd rather eat a lousy sandwich I made myself than garbage that's more antibiotics and pesticides than actual meat and vegetals

>>385305280
Yeah, Battlefield and Ark are worth getting a paid subscription when I can get them on PC with better performance and free online.

>>385303546
Oy vey! Don't mind that you are paying another 50$ for the internet you already paid for goy.

>>385305280
And none of them are exclusives

>>385305423

That's obviously what you should do, doesn't change the fact the most played games on consoles are multiplayer.

>>385305369

Doesn't matter who does what. Not paying generic subs for nothing.

I don't have a PS3/PS4 but the monthly free games are surprisingly good and mostly worth $5. I still find it scummy that you need to pay to play online and to keep these games

>>385303546
Those aren't even the current prices.

>>385305480
Okay? So we both agree thay there are no games worth getting a paid subscription for online.

>>385305518
no one has enough free time to actually play all that shovelware every month

>>385305567
Nah I'm pointing out that if you own a console (without PC) it is pretty much essential

>>385305393
Anon, you're on slippery slope. Just look at todays world faggotry

>>385305393
Literally the same shit, you pay for features that have no reason to not be free

>>385305518
>but the monthly free games are surprisingly good
They aren't. They haven't put anything good on there for a while now.

>>385305745
They aren't anywhere near the same and you know it.

When I heard about paid mods I was against it but barely cared. If I woke up to hear about "steam extra" for $50 a year for multiplayer I would immediately stop using it.

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>>385303546
I can 100% defend it in the way that it further supports Sony (or MS, or Nintendo) being able to publish more games or make more 1st party titles, or collab with 3rd parties (by co-developing and/or funding their game) as well as marketing and R&D costs.
I can NOT support it as a way to lock online play behind a paywall.

In the end I want to support the industry so that no one else has to end up as bad as PC gaming is right now (a bunch of F2P, MOBA, EarlyAccess, Kickstarter and LootBoxes shit) so I have no problem giving out a bunch of money to the companies I want to keep alive. I also do my best to not buy smaller games on discount. I spent 80€ on EDF4.1 when it launched for example, while most people feel liek it's a $10 game at best.

>>385305745
You realise paid mods aren't going to stop free ones right? The only thing people are going to do wuthering paid mods is use them to shitpost with $1000 horse cock mods again.

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Oh my fucking god! P-paid ONLINE!!!
IN 2017
I can't afford my Big Macs and Counter-Strike stickers now!
It's NOT fair. I WANT MY FREE SHIT!

#ConsoleFree

>>385305389
Paying for live kind of made sense though, the servers were far more stable and secure than PSN and still are, from what i hear, you were basically paying for the ability to play on more stable servers. I never bought gold myself because i've always been mainly PC but i find i can somewhat justify buying gold last gen but find it incredibly difficult to justify buying PS+ now, especially after the whole hack fiasco, no chance in hell i would ever put my card details onto PSN.

If you don't care about cloud shit then just make new profiles every two weeks. You can play online on your main profile and you can play the ps plus games. Never gets old. I haven't paid for PS Plus on my main account in years. The only time I do is when Sony gives me free $10 or $20 vouchers for random reasons.

You also get to trial PS Vue for 5 days with every new account now. Free HBO and on demand shit. I just pray sony never catches on to that shit.

All you need is a few useless debit cards from 7/11 and some fake emails and you're all set. Sounds like a lot to do but sfter years of doing it I can make a new profile both email and psn in like two mins

>>385306217

Most of the games were Peer to Peer.

you were paying twice for your own internet connection.

It's $70/year in leafville, and my subscription ends a month from now.

I'm going to pay it because I enjoy the service, but there is no valid reason for hiking the price up like that.

>>385306380
I'm talking about the actual live service, XBL never had month long periods of no service, PSN did.

>>385306424
*because I have no other choice for multiplayer

>>385306442
>you were basically paying for the ability to play on more stable servers

>>385306217
>you were basically paying for the ability to play on more stable servers

No you weren't

>>385305196
this

>>385306561
You do realise that a connection to live servers is still required for P2P, right? If you can't connect to the servers you can't play anything online at all.

>>385306697

So a subscription for a matching making server is worth it to you? For you to them play on a local host in one of your neighbours crappy home internet connections.

Don't you remember all the arguments about dedicated servers? Not only are you paying a subscription, but you were getting a worse server than the ones that already existed that we were all playing on for free.

The worst deal possible. And you continue to perpetuate it.

I would never pay a subscription for that.

>>385303546
>Just pay $50 for literally nothing
>Don't wanna pay? lmao poorfag

>>385306380
I don't want to convince anyone but on Xbone most games (finally) now have dedicated servers. Even for story co-op.

>>385307000
Where did i say i'm paying for it? In fact, a explicitly stated that i have never paid for it, just that i could more easily justify it.

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>>385303546
Yeah, its paid discounts, but you get more value than steam. We get "just cause 3" for free this august does steam has something similar? No.

>>385307091
>>385307096

Even though prior to that we were all pplaying on dedicated servers for free. You can still more easily justify it?

No I will never be paying subs for nothing. Nothing will ever change that. Nothing you can offer will change that. The only thing I want is no subscription.

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>>385303546
>paying for your internet twice
>but muh "free" games
yeah no

>>385308128
Exclusive discounts too
>>385307114

>>385307114
>We get "just cause 3" for free
but you already paid for it via gold, also paying for a shit game like JUST cause 3 is retarded
>paid discounts/steam has something similar?
by virtue of not paying twice for internet and paying for "discounts" steam already wins

>>385309128
PS+ nets you more value and better service. Thats a fact.

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>>385305097
>one company owns pc gaming

Are you pretending to be retarded?

I actually liked ps+ back on the ps3. The service was actually worth it and was totally optional. Really wish they didn't block multiplayer behind a pay wall for ps4.

>>385309445
Microsoft.
Inb4: lol linux

>>385309197
>better service
>goes down every day

>>385309524
You're a moron if you didn't see this coming

>>385305097

Microsoft already tried it with GFWL. No one but like 300 or so people actually paid for it while everyone else was against it.

MS dropped the charge soon after and no one since then has tried it again.

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>>385309197
>PS+ nets you more value and better service.
>literally paying twice for internet
>"free" games can't be played if you're not subscribed to gold
>network is at the mercy of any retard that decides to ddos it
>sony's shit security leaked thousands/millions of CC info of customers

>>385309561
Don't forget when Sony left over 300,000 accounts compromised due to a database raid. Sony is still trying to apologize for that.

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>>385303546
>consoles average lifespan is around 7 years
>this will run you 350$ dollars + the console price + averagely more expensive games
>people say console gaming is cheaper

>pay for online
>most console games are P2P

You brought this on yourselves console plebs, you have nobody else to blame. They only charge for it because you're willing to pay for it, cuckbois.

>>385309589
I saw it coming though. Only said I wish they hadn't.

>>385303546
Being mandatory for online is bad, but I'll buy it for discounts (but most of what I bought became instant game, so I doubt I'll buy anything again) and """free""" games.

MS takes it up a notch by locking apps that are free elsewhere, like netflix.

And yet people fall for that shit.

>this thread
But you have to pay to play online on pc too. Are you people retarded?

>>385309548

They own the software. Not the computer I built.

>>385309773
It doesn't matter since everyone else would assume you have to pay to play online. They're not gonna just think "hey, we can fight this and have it removed". People just want to play their games online.

The paid online is actually what kept me from buying a ps4. Glad I didn't since the ps4 pro became a thing. Gonna wait for some games to release before I buy one though.

>>385309697
Steam, xbox, iphone and others get hacked also.

>>385309754
>this will run you 350$ dollars
>a fucking GPU alone costs more than that
>people say PC gaming is cheaper

>>385309870
They stopped doing that a while ago, actually. XBL subscriptions are pretty much just for online multiplayer and I think a few other things.

>>385303546
Who cares how much it is. The fact that it costs anything is fuckin bullshit. Theyre literally charging you for otherwise free software

>>385306217
>defending xbox live
>"durr, gift cards don't exist"

>>385309548

I play on Linux whenever I can, half my steam library is compatible. Just beat HITMAN on there, it runs great. In a couple years win 7 will lose support and your choices will be win 10 or Linux- I'd rather lose half my library than let Windows 10 within 100 meters of my PC

>>385309946
Go ahead, make games and software yourself.

>>385305994

It's okay when Nintendo does it

>>385310001
The difference here is that you can choose which GPU you want. If you genuinely want the low tier piece of shit in the PS4, there's no way in fuck it'll cost 350 for it. PC is about options, which consoles unfortunately sorely lack.

>paying for discounts
>PAYING for FREE games

Jesus christ you people are delusional

>>385309936
You pay your ISP for using internet. You pay for ps+ and ISP on ps4. You pay for what you already payed.

>>385310001
You can buy a console tier graphics card for less than half that though nowadays.

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>>385307114
a true nextgen experience

>>385310136

You mean Linux?

And why am I not allowed to play games made by other companies?

>>385308776
>pay to get a discount

lmao

>>385307114
I remember a few years back they had just cause 2 for like .20 cents. on steam.

>>385310307
You play it microsoft OS machine, no difference with xbox.

>>385310383

Just because you're too retarded to use Linux doesn't mean everyone is

>pay for online service
>get free games with it
They aren't free you Mongoloids

>>385310371
Yeah, .20$ on steam when PS5 will come out.

>>385310383

MS build the xbox. I built my own machine. Not the same, sorry.

>>385310429
>>385310383
Linux literally couldn't be any fucking easier

You just install Ubuntu or Linux mint or what ever flavor you like and it runs and install just like windows there's virtually no difference any more

>>385310429
Just becouse small fraction of games is ported to linux, it does not mean you can play them all. Windows is ONLY option now.

>>385310432
>pay for sex
>end up talking about Coldplay for three hours with a bbj as a compliment

This is LITERALLY what PSN is.

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>people actually pay to play p2p online games
>they think this is a good thing
>these people probably also buy dlc and microtransactions
>they don't realize that they are actually part of the cancer killing gaming

>>385310457
For 3? Mabey.
Though if you truly want cheapest method for most new games pc is definitely the way to go,, just ask any russian lel.

>>385310464
Do you use windows on it?

>>385310574

Literally half of my 400 steam games are Linux compatible, I guess 1/2 is a tiny fraction though

>>385303546
Lol this isnt defend-able for no one, no matter what console or what microsoft tries to do in the future on pc.

>>385310580
Get free sex and get every other free service for free because they're free and not "free"

You're paying for free games stupid

it is absolutely scummy, but I don't have any games that I'd want to play online so I'm fine ignoring it

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>>385310580
>cant sync muh trophies for moviegames without ps+

>>385310580
You aren't getting anything for free
The games come with the subscription. It's not free because you somehow separate what you are and aren't paying for when you're paying for the entire thing

>>385310710
By that logic you could say that you have 200 games that are all linux compatible, that meant its 100%.

>>385310830
It's like buying a car

>oh man buy this car and you'll get a free warranty
No stupid the warranty comes with the car you pay for the warranty

Modern consoles are trash. Basically stripped down PC's with more expensive games and paid multiplayer. The only redeeming factor about them are the exclusives which is them basically forcing you into their shitty system to play that ONE game.

In fact the whole gaming industry needs to crash and burn. It's why I pirate pretty much everything nowadays unless it's something like the witcher 3 where the devs actually deserve your money, or in that rare case I want to play a game online and begrudgingly be forced onto steam/origin

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>>385310727
You're paying for a service you don't get. You PAID for three hours of romping and Sony is giving you fifteen minutes of unprotected, pant less kissing just to say that they "held up their part of the bargain."

That'sthejoke.jpg

>>385310932
PS+ is not warranty, its payment to chinese mafia so they dont flat you tires or beat it up with baseballbats. But they call it "protection".

>>385311019
No unless I was getting that initial sex in a separate offer. It's still paid unprotected shit

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this sort of bullshit is only going to get worse in the future, because people are enabling this kinda shit to happen without a concern for how shit their side of the bargain is

>>385311198
Next you'll pay for online but then you'll have to watch a mountain of ads between games too

OH but you can pay for the higher tier package and see less ads (but you'll still see ads regardless :^)

>paying for the privilege to use the internet service you already pay for
Do people really do this?

>>385304708
Nigger 5 dollars at McDowells gets you 2 double burgs, 2 fries, and a soder.
Or a large coffee and a Bacon-Eggin cheese at Dunkin' Donurts.

OP is talking directly out of his anus. That or he lives in a communist hellhole.

>>385311135
Imagine paying someone $60 a month on the promise that you'd have full access to their panties and only end up getting an unprotected blowjob weekly that they keep apologizing for because of their abusive mom who keeps ddosing her servers.

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>>385303546
>i have to pay to get discounts

>>385311370
You paid for all of it.

>>385311336
So you are saying ps+ is too cheap?

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>>385311304
They actually, literally, UNIRONICALLY do.

>>385311480
>>385311503
>IT'S NOT A DISCOUNT, IT'S A COMPLIMENTARY FEATURE

>>385311198
Yeah no kidding, look at the way DLC's gone. It's gotten to the point where people defend on-disc DLC.

>>385311638
>Sony said it was free so that must be true. They wouldn't lie to me!

Are you sure you aren't paying for three games every month and getting online for free?

>>385311510
No OP he's saying you're full of shit.

>Own a Switch and a PS4
>Don't pay for either online services
>Would only very rarely do so

I mainly play single player games, so it's a waste to pay for a year's subscription if I'm rarely using it.

>Windows 10 already charges a monthly fee for enterprises

>Microsoft has made it clear that Windows 11 will have a subscription paywall for internet access

Enjoy your gloating while you can, PCfats.
Your day is coming.

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>>385312014
>implying we don't have other options, unlike console fags

>>385311763
SONY LOVES ME, THEY WOULD NEVER DEPRIVE ME OF ANAL IF THEY WEREN'T LOOKING OUT FOR ME! YOU'RE JUST A MAD FANBOY WHO CAN'T GET ANY HIMSELF AND WANT TO RAIN ON MY PARADE!

>>385311198
In my case I'm dead inside due to a lifetime of western civilization getting worse and worse with no sign of stopping.

I just don't care anymore. Give me my coffee and video games while charging my wallet into a coma, and leave me the fuck alone.

There is no fighting it and anyone foolish enough to believe otherwise deserves the defeat they will taste.
I'm just killing time until I die at this point.

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>>385312509

>>385311510
No you fucking retarded piece of shit, I'm saying you're lying about how affordable it is when most fast food is cheaper.

GayStation+ is over twice the price of a fast food bill for an ad littered peer to peer service that isn't even comparable to a necessity like food.

Kill yourself, you mongoloid cleft-footed infant-brain.

>>385312509
>no fighting it
Allah akbar

>>385312078
>Implying anything worth playing runs on Linux

o i am laffin

>>385312682
>lol lets meme on him

What part of dead inside don't you understand, my man?

I also don't believe for a second that you've never purchased a DLC or never pre-ordered.

Get off your high horse.
Or don't.
I don’t care.

>gf renews all the time
>just use my account and get the benefit
Sucks to be you guys. Invest in a gamer girl (good luck finding a good one though). We'll be playing Monster Hunter World with Japs and Frenchies.

>>385312759
Stay mad, pckuk

>>385312682
Also what kind of dip is that?
Looks tasty.

>>385313067
I own a PS4 and pay for PS+, you complete blithering moron.

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>>385312991
>I also don't believe for a second that you've never purchased a DLC or never pre-ordered.
I've done both of those things and never said otherwise, clearly you're a bit tipsy.

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>>385313136

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>>385312864
>implying developers wouldn't port their games to linux if more people switched over

>>385313069
looks like some sort of seafood mix

>>385313301
Best games are already console exlusive. Not indie showelware on steam.

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>>385312014
what the actual fuck am I reading
>Windows 11
>Subscription paywall for internet access
Were you dropped on your head friend?

>>385313301
>Implying they wouldn't flock to the cash cow like the demonic money worshippers they already are with shit like Steam having a monopoly.

You're delusional, matey. Where have you been the past decade?

>>385313301
>implying Valve wouldn't take advantage of windows failing and building their own new OS

>>385313442
You're reading facts, my friend.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/07/14/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-new-monthly-charge/#68a51b6a3184

I find it laughable you think Microsoft isn't capable of doing this to consumers.
Boy, are you in for a hard life.

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>>385313568
>Forbes

>>385313568
what other facts even needed if xbox started all this shit with goldstatus back in the days of xbox360?

>>385313316
I prefer to meet up with people on /vg/ but if reddit's your preferred site I guess I could make an account and accommodate you.

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>>385313568
1. Forbes
2. Did you even read the shit show off an article
3. Only enterprises pay monthly
4. Windows 11? ?? lol ?

>>385313656
>frogposting posting normie can't argue to save his life

Forbes is one of the only fucking reputable sites left, you posterboy for euthanasia.

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>>385313939
Once everyone starts using uwp (which will be everyone), you pcbros will be paying the sub fee just like the rest of us and you will defend it. Just you wait and see.

>>385313819
Okay look me up:

FedoraMemesMLP69 on reddit

>>385313939
I never once said the fee currently applies to consumers, only that it inevitably will when Windows 11 inevitably releases.

Do you even know what Microsoft is or are you just trolling?

>>385314062
>Ponyfag complaining about the decline of society
huehuehue

>>385313984
>Frogposting nnormie
can't argue with that

>Forbes is one of the only reputable sites left
Don't embarrass yourself

>Posterboy for euthanasia
I think this could apply to this whole site

>>385303546
>could be buying a used game
>or a remaster
>paying for something I use sporadically
8th Gen was a mistake.

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>>385313208
>when your platform is so awful that you have to shitpost with remastered PS1 games

>>385314060
That's the day I switch to linux lol

>>385314274
You're not even trying anymore.

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>>385314060
>>385313568
>>385312014

>Once everyone starts using uwp (which will be everyone)

Which is literally no one. Microsofts main userbase is corporate who have loads of custom programs that aren't UWP. There is literally no appetite to rebuild all those programs as UWP for zero reason other than 'Microsoft thinks it would be good'.

It's like you don't understand that the relatively open nature of Windows is what makes it successful and that the second they try and become like Apple is when all their biggest clients jump to Apple because Windows basically no longer has any advantage.

'le Microsoft doomsday plan' posters are all retards and none of you have any idea what you're talking about.

>>385314541
Enjoy your csgo and dota2, buy some skins while you are at it.

>>385314060
Microsoft are not retard japs they know they need to keep the gaming parts as is or people are gonna fuck off out of windows 10 because it's already shitty

>>385314918
>it all started with xbox360
>ps3 was free

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Multiplayer is the most cancerous meme in the existence of vidya, (where do you think esports came from)

>Dont pay for cancer
>play the good 1p games
>games with some "light" multiplayer component (P5's comparison thing, GR2's pic sharing content) work as is
Sure, Xrd is not as great offline but I'm not missing much by getting floored by some gook autist everytime I want to try.
I literally cant defend this shit and I wont. And I've owned every single fucking sony console.
I _MIGHT_ buy a couple month's sub when AC7 lands and want to get hatemail from assblasted teens when I rape their ass on an Idolplane

>>385315775
Why do you post here, not in you personal blog?

>>385303546
>>385303679
You're leaving it too open

Ignoring all the stuff about how half the PS+ services are things they could offer for free or even used to offer for free, and how the only reason it's paid now is because Microsoft tried it first and showed you really could fuck over your customers without any problems.

Try something more like so
Defend this:
Can't play multiplayer in a game with P2P online because I don't give the company who made my console a little extra dosh to allow a connection they have basically no involvement in.

>>385316318
>Why do you post your opinion of the current discussion here?
mad I ruined your narrative of ALL console users being cucks?

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>>385316761
>Move to paid PSN
>Don't re-institute old style PSN content sharing

>>385316972
Discussion is same as multiplayer activities, you said that is pure cancer

Oh hey, I like how this blatant sony hate thread is still up. I just got banned for posting about drones in this very thraed. It's nice that mods aren't even trying to pretend that this garbage board is meant for shitendrones only. Hey mods, suck my cock ;^)