Are there any games where catholics are the good guys? maybe

Any game with crusaders vs mudslimes

>>385299280
>>385299363
Crusader Kings II

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>>385299363
>implying

>Catholics
>ever the good guys
Stealth pagans I'm onto you

>>385299815
there is literally nothing wrong with praying to mary

find me 1 bible verse that says its bad to pray to mary or saints

Expeditions: Conquistador

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>>385300110
(Exodus 34:14)
"You must worship no other gods, for the LORD, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you."

About "Saints" and "Fathers":

(Matthew 23:8-10)
"But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[a] 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ."

Kill yourself, whore of babylon.

>>385299280
Who turned that turtle into a crispy

>>385299280
Outlast 2

>>385300110
Worshipping an idol and being guilty of severe misconduct, turning the place of worship into some sort of treasure cove for worldly riches, dozens of cases of borderline institutionalised pederasty...yeah I think you have some catching up to do.

No one is the good guy in 40k. Especially the Imperium

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>>385300738
> (((Exodus)))
> Misinterpreting Matthew

The fuck kind of Presbyterianism bullshit you on?

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>>385300738
>>385300915
>>385300110
>>385301362
>worshipping a human man

You're ALL heathens

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>>385301362
>You're not allowed to use the Bible except for the parts that i like XD Also, you're not allowed to BTFO my argument, so please twist the texts in a way that favors my viewpoint, kthnxbye

Your end cannot come soon enough.

>>385299280
trails in the sky series

Why are there so many die hard Christians on /v/ these days?

>>385301921
Castlevania netflix show happened and people decided they had to be contrarian since it was popular and pretend to be super religious since Trevor is excommunicated at that time

>>385301921
came upon dr E. Michael Jones through some /pol/-ish compilation video

>>385301704
Has nothing to do what I like or dislike, what you posted had jack shit to do with the topic at hand.

Read your own bullshit. Anybody with a shred of familiarity knows that Catholicism does not advocate worshiping Mary above the LORD. This is a platitude you created yourself.

Likewise, name one Catholic doctorine that indicates that Mary should be viewed as some sort of mentor or teacher.

You are arbitrarily cherry picking literally unconnected verses from seperate books written hundreds of years aoart from one another, while making vague connections between the two because they appear to be talking about similar subject matters that appear to coincide with what ever the fuck you are arguing for.

If you actually read any of the books that you are citing, you would know they have shit to do with one another, let alone anything to do with praying to Mary.

>>385301514
+1 reward was added to your book of deeds

How come adults in 2017 still believe in sandnigger fairy tales about a wizard in the sky

>>385302504
>I seriously can't even! it's le current year!

>>385302548
touched a nerve I see, but can you answer the question why adults in 2017 believe in sandnigger fairy tales about a magic wizard?

>>385302606
A magic wizard who gets mad if you play with your peepee*

>>385301921
Because atheism got its resurgence the past decade and they've all been really obnoxious fedoracore neckbeards.

>>385299280

Fiction is okay anon but let's not get absurd here.

>>385302606
The Creator isn't a "magic wizard". There is none like unto Him.

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>>385302504
Because only idiots think that religious people view God as a physical wizard that lives in the actual sky.

What the fuck is wrong with you fucks? Are fedoras legit retarded?

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>catholics
>good guys

>>385302689
So in other words everyone on /v/ became Christian to be contrarians now that Athiesm is too mainstream?

>>385302504
As someone who is not religious, you are silly for thinking anyone but small children views god as the sky wizard. Most religious people view god as the fundament of existence, sorta.

>>385302838
There are a lot of legit religious retards though.

It's hard to shake the image from people.

>>385302946
would rather be ruled by that than any politician tbqh

>>385302948
Yeah, but this didn't just happen last week, rather 3 or 4 years ago. The fedora meme has become so annoying that you can already feel the pendulum swining back the other way again, christians are increasingly ridiculed, but the few militant ones that stuck around don't take kindly to that.

>>385303024
That's like saying if you play vidya you're a school shooter. There are all kinds of religious people, and it is not their fault that your only exposure to them are bible belters.

>>385303043
Why?

>>385303193
>Why?
just looks cooler, looks more like a leader who won't instantly switch opinions and policies cause someone gave him money or whatever; probably more likely to try to keep society traditional and alive

>>385302946
That thing is ominous. Looks like final boss room for the Pope fight

>>385303353
If you don't want corruption in politics, create a system that discourages corruption. If your solution is to instead have a ruler who looks cool, you appear to be rather superficial.

>>385299280
>anyone in 40k
>good guys

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>yet another member caught raping little boys this time a fucking cardinal
>a different cardinal's aide gets busted at a drug fueled gay sex orgy
>catholics still think they're the good guys and have the right to deem others 'degenerates'

>>385303617
Why don't they just let priests get married? I mean this is like the prison gays effect right?

>>385303589
well the post I responded to was superficial (>>385302946), so it was from that perspective

but don't tell me politicians are more likely to support traditional society

>>385303592
the rule is my race are the good guys

>>385303826
>well the post I responded to was superficial
Well, that's fine then.

Anyway, I don't really care about a traditional society, I care about a functional society. Politicians are more likely to know what they are doing. Not saying they can't be corrupt, basically every politician is corrupt, but that is the fault of a system then that needs to be fixed.

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>>385304027
>I don't really care about a traditional society, I care about a functional society
just kinda handy to use the model we already have since way back instead of current wild experimentation, maybe?

>Politicians are more likely to know what they are doing
I don't really see it, maybe they know but are they likely to care what they are doing? some way well know they are ruining their societies for example

>that is the fault of a system then that needs to be fixed
how?

>>385303617
> city council member caught in pedo ring
> a senator gets caught killing an aide
> a CEO caught funneling money to a mafia organization

Certain human beings are flawed and terrible monsters. Best do away with organizational structures because the problem is obviously the concept of hierarchical authority and couldn't possiblly have anything to do with the fact that the actual people in those roles were terrible humans to begin with.

Total War: Warhammer, basically.

>>385301514
t. Guy who kills people for drawing his prophet

>>385304427
>just kinda handy to use the model we already have since way back instead of current wild experimentation, maybe?
That's a pretty anachronistic world view. What we had "way back" changed plenty of times. What do you mean specifically with "way back"? Do you want to go back to feudalism?
We're currently living in the wealthiest, statistically safest, best educated, most technologically advanced society that ever existed, and that is mostly the result of what happened in the second half of the the twentiest century, not because of something that happened "way back".

>are they likely to care what they are doing?
Well, more likely than the absolute monarchs of yesteryear that were more concerned about waging wars for prestige and securing their own power, because the modern politicians actually depend on the people electing them.

And a corrupt system can be fixed by reducing the amount of money politicians are allowed to get, by reducing maximal numbers of terms, by making democracy more direct, etc. It takes efford, but just because something takes efford doesn't mean that going back to a completely different system is the better option.

>>385304756
It's different when said organization tries to position itself as a supreme moral authority by divine right that tries to tell others' how to live their lives.

>>385303709
No kid raping is one them. I'm friends with a priest and in some provincial areas they just hire prostitutes and we're the largest Catholic place in Asia.

>>385305253
It's not really the organization is more than the sum of it's parts, it's like sperging out when the meme CEO dies or does something dumb

>>385305253
It's almost like you understand nothing of the faith.
One dude being a degenerate doesn't make you being a crack smoking whore fucking any less degenerate.
You know he's right even if he contradicts himself, because morality objective

>>385305470
>morality objective
Yes, but how do you define this objective morality, gut feeling, what it says in the contradictory texts, or what the contradictory pope says?

>>385301827
This is actually pretty close. It's a JRPG so it's not strictly Catholicism, but the dominant religion is blatantly most heavily based upon it to the point where it might as well be.
Almost everyone is united under this religion, including the protagonists, and seven games in virtually all members of the church have been portrayed as good guys. There's even been a priest MC, and he's the best one in the series.

>>385305058
my answer disappeared, but basically we are not happy today, everything is not great, people wear all black and live alone, smart phones doesn't make you happy

traditional society I mean a man supports with a single job a family that is not torn apart in a few years by foreign propaganda and porn, people living next to each other feel a connection and trust each other and feel good

monarchs should also be dependent on what people think of them, but the problem with letting whoever happens to be in your country rule and whoever happens to want to be politician be your leader, is that with media everywhere everyone is subject to foreign propaganda all the time, so can you really trust anyone who happens to live within the same borders to take care of the inherent needs of the people of that country and not force whatever revolution they personally think should be imposed globally

idk how you force someone to not recieve money in their bank account, but if someone lives like a true monarch i.e. a representant of the people for the people who is not an individual (hence they say "we") you could have all sorts of restrictions on how they live and work, and to make it really strong and make people believe in it, religion is the tool

>>385306182
There's also a Fantasy Pope that isn't evil for once

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>>385306014
What isn't a natural occurrence that promotes life.
e.g. taking drugs isn't in promotion of life
nor is sodomy
nor is deciding to speed on the highway
nor is hitting your wife
Of course there is more to morality that is based upon culture, but the preservation of life that doesn't distort any naturally occurring thing or process is the baseline.

>>385305470
>One dude being a degenerate doesn't make you being a crack smoking whore fucking any less degenerate.
Meh. Perhaps, though you must to admit it certainly doesn't help with credibility, especially when the church tries to hide said degeneracy from the general public.

>>385306282
sorry,
>is a natural occurrence that promotes life

Castlevania

>>385299280
Catholics are all lying degenerates and the Catholic church is so corrupt that it created about 1000 different off shoots.

I'm not even religious but Catholics are literally one step above Muslims when it comes to being honest. I'd trust a Jew over a kid fucker Catholic any day of the week.

>>385306405
source? pls non-jewish non-leftist

>>385299280
Fucking /pol/, get out of my vidya.

But, on topic, Castlevania, no matter how many people with no standards who think the Netflix show is well written and a good adaptation will claim otherwise.

>>385306184
What the fuck?

>>385306282
>taking drugs isn't in promotion of life
If you're referring to cigarettes and alcohol, sure. But there's plenty of recreational drugs that don't harm you.

>sodomy
While it doesn't promote life, it doesn't hinder it either. Plenty of animals do it too, so not sure about it voiding the "naturally occuring" part either.

Do you consider videogames and anything recreational that doesn't involve creating children to be "bad" because it isn't "naturally occuring" and doesn't "promote life"?

What about things that promote the heck out of life, but are considered morally wrong by the texts, like multiplying the amount of children you can have by having multiple wives?

>>385306448
Ok fine how about this. They pray to "saints"
You should be able to see the problem already

>>385306481
> netfrix
it was just one guy (or a small group of guys) being an asshole

>>385299280
I've only played DQ8 so I don't know about the rest of the series but religion was portrayed in a good light

>>385306184
>we are not happy today
I'm sorry that's your experience anon, but it's not for the most of us.

Most of us are playing video games, hanging out with friends, trusting family members, and living in the best society has been yet. We have access to the internet and limitless knowledge, the ability to contact other people around the world, and gain access to higher education and better incomes.

Not sure where a monarch or "foreign propaganda" comes into this. I won't start beating up my friends and fucking my sister because of a Russian blog post.

what a cool thread u guys got here

>>385306732
ya

any anglican boiz in da house?

>>385306838
I don't know what you mean

>>385306897
Isn't there some evil pope or cardinal in the abbey where you find Angelo?

>>385306184
You give very simple solutions to multi-faceted problems. Happy people exist today, and the reason people are unhappy can't be summed up by "we don't have traditional values". Devorce rates did not rise becuase of porn and propaganda, but because of real problems that affect our society. Families being held together by a strong man are not necessarily happy either

You don't just "let someone rule". A people democratically elects a whole bunch of people for a whole bunch of governmental aspects. "Media" is not per se evil. And if you do not trust someone from your country to rule, why would you trust an absolute monarch of all people? Politicians don't "force revolutions" (when did that ever happen?), politicians make small decisions that over time shape the face of a society. Politicians are not as powerful as you make them out to be, and if a people does not want them, they will not be elected. However, if a people elects politicians that you don't agree with, that is not necessarily the result of media propaganda, but maybe instead because the people agree with those politicians' views on the problems those people have.

And you can very much regulate money in politics, by laws and restrictions.
And yeah, a "true monarch" would be sweet, but those are pretty few and far between if you look at history, and if they are as restricted, why not just have a democracy anyway?

>religion is the tool
That would be a good point, but sadly (and I really mean this sadly) we live in a post-Nietschean twentyfirst century society where religion has become weaker and weaker, not by secularism, but by how people think about and approach religion. "God is dead." is a state of mind. You cannot just bring back religion into the head of people who don't believe. That being said, a lot of people are still very religious. Did you know Angela Merkel, who some /pol/tards think to be a leftist, is the daughter of a priest, and member of the german christian conservative party?

>>385306761
Some things are more obvious than others.
And ultimately there is no benefit to recreational drugs, and some synthesized chemical isn't healthy, nor is DMT or what-have-you necessary if you are inclined to meditation and non-forced spiritual experiences.
Sodomy certainly can cause damage to a person's body, and highly increases the risk of diseases and infections; let alone that it takes a life-creating act of beautiful unity between a man and woman and inverting it in to a depraved show of lust.

With videogames, film or some other sort of media, it could certainly be beneficial to someone's life provided it's not used for promotion of degenerate things. I wouldn't argue against violence in videogames at all for example, nor does it necessarily have to be killing for justice all the time. It's important to know of the terrible things people do, hence why tales, myths and parables are important for learning. As with all indulgences, they must be in moderation.

I think polygamy is something further than just that 'basic morality' we're speaking of, and is something of the individual culture and group performing it, which I have nothing against some other group doing it, but those practices aren't Christian.

>>385306912
You're enslaved in to a cycle of materialism that you're yet to break from.

>>385307048
The CDU is not conservative in the slightest, nor is the lutheran church any bastion of tradition.

>>385307417
>some things are more obvious than others
So you're saying its.... almost..... subjective?

>no benefit to recreational drugs
What if it increases happiness for that particular person, without harming them?

>It could certainly be beneficial
Sure, if it was a videogame about learning a language, but that's not what most people play, is it?

You aren't arguing strongly towards an objective morality, anon. You're saying some recreational things like videogames are fine, but other forms of recreation like non-carcinogenic drugs aren't, without giving a solid reason why.

>>385307726
I said recreational drugs are bad.
I said videogames are an indulgence to be moderated and serve well enough as parables and teaching methods as well as entertainment.
I'm not arguing for tradition, I'm arguing for morality.
You're also loading the question by pre-assuming that videogames are bad or that I'd argue that they're inherently bad.
Being slovenly in front of your computer all day is bad because of cultural morals that exist in my nation.

>>385307701
>your happiness isn't real
Okay, keep telling yourself that if you wish.
Being happy, using technology, and being faithful to my God and my family aren't all mutually exclusive, anon.

You have personal issues and should seek council and really look within yourself to see what is causing your depression.

>>385307863
Yes, but what makes recreational drugs worse than video games?

What makes them "objectively" less moral?

>>385307701
>a 500 year old institution does not have traditions because they are not my traditions
Sure thing. Also, yes, the CDU is the conservative centrist party of Germany.

>>385307996
>centrist
>conservative
Have they conserved anything?

>>385307915
I didn't state that technology was in any sense wrong, but you were advocating that the western world at the moment isn't terribly sick for many reasons, nor do I see how your understanding of God could possibly work in conjunction with being blind to this. You didn't mention that beforehand so I made the assumption that your stance is the typical reversion to worship of shit you and others own and of people.

>>385306912
not sure you're following the discussion at all

>>385307048
ok you just brush that off like there's no connection between any of these things cause I didn't go into enough detail or whatever. "divorce rates rose because of real problems" this sentence doesn't even mean anything. they rose because society changed, but you seem to think all change has been good and nothing traditional can solve anything, so what gives? you mean divorce rates rose because of climate change or overpopulation or something?

I'm not talking about politicians forcing revolutions, I'm talking about people - wherever in the world, whoever they may be - by different means affecting what people vote for and not going for what is the best for the specific people who live in a specific place, so for example all countries are now supposed to become feminist because apparently it has been decided that everyone everywhere will always gain from that regardless of who they are or where they are or what they actually want or need, it is simply so that everyone should have the same thoughts, and this is constantly imposed on societies by various means by various people through control of education and media etc - in this setting you can't just say "let's just let whoever lives or migrated to this country choose whatever politican they want to do whatever that politicans wants to do" because the rules are not fair if you for example have a lot of young people simply indoctrinated with certain views regardless if those views will help the country or not

(cont)

>>385308236
>the western world at the moment isn't terribly sick for many reasons
It isn't.
People are living longer than they ever have, and are for the most part happier.
Just because a portion of loud society doesn't share my religious beliefs doesn't make them inherently bad or sick, just misguided.
The internet is giving avenues to religion that never were there before.

The western world was much more sick when it was killing millions upon millions for banners and flags.

>>385307993
Some recreational drugs are highly damaging to the body, so they're universally bad and against the promotion of life as we already spoke of. It's like eating a big greasy piece of food, it makes you feel like shit afterwards right? Over indulging, jacking off too much and hurting your privates, having sex with lots of people and getting a syphilis and going insane after some time, bashing your head in to the wall, killing your unborn infant. They have immediate or very obvious effects and can be understood by all regardless of any other factor.
Other drugs (even if you wanted to disregard potential psychological problems) like psychotropic medicines used by some tribes around the world are not a part of my culture.
The universal morality is universally bad.
The cultural layer sits on top of this. Those people might find of reverence the things they see when tripping balls, but in the cultural morals of my world with my people being off your face isn't a good thing.

>>385307048
people are more and more thinking "the world needs more x" cause that's what they've been sold through various means that are not exactly inherent culture in their country or part of their history, rather than "this would make the majority of my country more functional and happy because it strengthens our identity and belief in each other" or something of that sort I mean basically stuff that is relevant for the culture you live in and not some grand globalist ideal

>And you can very much regulate money in politics, by laws and restrictions.
in this day and age? there are workarounds for everything. just go to secret meetings and it is decided whatever should happen. how do we even know what kind of corruption we are trying to hinder? what are they doing? they would need to be controlled very strictly very religiously it seems to me but I'm no economist

>And yeah, a "true monarch" would be sweet, but those are pretty few and far between if you look at history, and if they are as restricted, why not just have a democracy anyway?
because religion done properly is the strongest thing we've ever had aside from brutal force ofc

>That would be a good point, but sadly (and I really mean this sadly) we live in a post-Nietschean twentyfirst century society where religion has become weaker and weaker, not by secularism, but by how people think about and approach religion. "God is dead." is a state of mind. You cannot just bring back religion into the head of people who don't believe.
what you need to do is change education systems and work against the propaganda flowing in from all directions
for example if kids got to learn of Jordan Peterson's version of what God means or E. Michael Jones's version of what Jew means, things would be different
another example, porn should ofc be illegal or restricted somehow since it's impossible for porn to do more good than bad

>>385308642
>Some recreational drugs are highly damaging to the body, so they're universally bad
>some
>universally bad
That's not what those words mean. You can't say that only some drugs are highly damaging, and then say they're universally bad.

>cultural
>objective
I don't think you understand what objective means. Your culture enjoys chugging the shit out of caffeine, does that make it good for you?

>>385301921
Atheism got popular so the contrarian reaction is to suddenly be a die-hard christian. Eventually -maybe- christianism will become popular again so /v/ will shift to fedoraism once more

>>385299280
cute desu

>>385308545
If you think tribalism and mass murder are things the western world has 'gotten over' then you really need to pay attention to what happened in the last century, when and why. Paganism has been creeping into public discourse, history is being rewritten, and people are gearing up to start repeating some past mistakes. You know something's horribly wrong when people are defending ideas like Islam and Communism.

>>385308545
Living longer through artificial prolonging and disrupting the natural flow of things is by no means beneficial.
Happiness can be debated.
If the internet can serve to bring spiritual meaning to be people then good, provided it's not some abhorrent and ultimately harmful thing of course.
The western world has been sick for hundreds of years. The pacification of people to be manipulated for economics, the spiritual void (or its replacement with the material), and the craving for 'progress for progresses sake' are the biggest problems.
I'm no advocate for luddism, but do you not ask yourself why technologies seemingly MUST be developed?

>>385308885
>You can't say that only some drugs are highly damaging, and then say they're universally bad.
Universal moral
Some drugs are bad for you physically = bad for everyone
Cultural moral
Some other psychedelic that the shitbung tribe uses for spiritual reasons = good for them

>Your culture enjoys chugging the shit out of caffeine, does that make it good for you?
No, see universal moral.

>>385308975
>people are gearing up to start repeating some past mistakes

That's all history is. Enough time passes between generations, hard learned lessons will be forgotten only for new generations to learn them.

>>385308975
>mass murder
Please, name a modern conflict that has had as many corpses as WWII. The post-nuclear age is much more peaceful.

>history is being rewritten
It always has been.

>people are gearing up to start repeating some past mistakes
You act as if this is new.

>people are defending ideas like Islam and Communism
They have been since long before the Internet existed.
That being said, do you have an issue with the practice of Islam, or the violence perpetrated by it?

I have no problem with nonviolent Muslims, although I do fear for their souls. That being said, they have free access to Christian religious materials on the internet, and I don't think that religion should be an establishment of the government, but rather a path that someone must choose.

>>385307006
protestants hold that pagan influences and intercessory prayer (praying to saints) has corrupted the church
I think they're right, especially if you look at 1 Timothy 4

>>385302946
Somebody should turn this into vidya boss fight

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>>385299280
>catholics
>good guys

>>385299280
>good guys
>40k

>>385309540
Literally Assassin's Creed 2

>>385301921
the only way to get rid of these muslims is to get another crusade going, but first you need to be religious

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>>385309570
>implying something heretical

>>385309040
>living longer is by no means beneficial
>happiness can be debated
Less people having to go through the grief of losing family and friends is not debatable.

>The western world has been sick for hundreds of years
It has always been sick, since the beginning of civilization. Redemption through religion is a chosen path, not a forced path.

>The pacification of people to be manipulated for economics, the spiritual void (or its replacement with the material), and the craving for 'progress for progresses sake' are the biggest problems.
And they have always been problems.
That being said, what is wrong with progress? It's much better than stagnation, and has led to the happiest generation.

>do you not ask yourself why technologies seemingly MUST be developed?
They must be developed because we must have faster transportation, better ways of communication, longer lives, less death, it's our moral imperative to improve the world and lives around us. Both physically and spiritually.

>>385309167
Yes, but I'm asking about the recreational drugs that aren't bad for you.
How are they universally bad and objectively worse than videogames or any other form of mindless entertainment?

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>>385309596
>another crusade
Because there was so much success with the last 7 or so, right?

Even the mongols couldn't take us out, a modern day crusade would be baby farts compared to that

Of course, the zionists helped set it up so that we're saving them the trouble by doing it to ourselves

But that won't last forever.

>>385310142
>Because there was so much success with the last 7 or so, right?
I mean, if an actual Crusade was suddenly declared we probably wouldn't start using sword and shit again. We would just nuke the entirety of the Middle East and then waltz right in.

>>385310714
>using nukes

No one is this stupid. Besides maybe best Korea.

>>385311346
10-4.
More MOABs it is.