The combat in dark souls is too hard and

>>385298431

It really is quite hard. Not in a good way, it's just terrible enough to be an obstacle.

>>385298431
boring*.

>>385298789
Yeah. It makes me want to play Devil May Cry.

>>385298901
Devil may cry seemed to have interesting combat, but it felt a bit shallow to me. The best combat i've come across so far has been Castlevania: curse of Darkness

>>385298431
Never understood this comic

The robot and chicks are great (well, apart from trash-chan), but I wouldn't want to risk my life fighting Eldritch abominations for them.

>>385299840
Good bait. Will catch some redditeurs for sure.

>>385299840
I don't know man, I think MGR was the better game in terms of story especially, and of course combat, devil may cry in general is just shit if you ask me.

>>385300221

It's not bait, don't be so paranoid. I just never played much devil may cry.

>>385298431
>the point of Dark Souls was to be hard
>the point of Dark Souls was the combat
Please wipe your mind clean of memes before starting a game.

>>385300814
>the point of Dark Souls is whatever it needs to be for me to win an internet argument

k bruh

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>>385298431
MC in Evangelion was always a fucking gay turned me off the show completely. What a crybaby.

>>385300981
I'm not trying to win an argument, the combat in Dark Souls is barebones, and if you approach it as that one super hard game that you have to get really good at for gamer cred, you will feel let down.

Dark Souls is about feeling alienated in a strange world that you want to explore, and the combat is a way to pull you into that world by raising the tension. If it was not somewhat difficult, there would not be any tension, so enemies hit hard, but that is all there is to the difficulty.

>>385301210
Combat in Dark Souls isn't as hard as people hype it up to be, but it certainly not as easy as people on /v/ hype it up to be either. Playing it blind it's certainly harder than every mainstream RPG (TW3 on death march etc), and about as hard as Ninja Gaiden on normal or something like that

>>385298789
>>385298901
Do you guys really think that? Dark Souls combat is so much easier for me than it is for a game like DMC or MGR

>>385301210
What was it you missed about combat being the point of dark souls? The million enemies, the focus on weapons and bosses, the fact that combat is the only way to experience the game, aside from exploration, which is done to deliver more combat.

The story was barebones, there aren't any puzzles or platforming sections. There's no tactical sections, really, and the RPG mechanics are almost non-existent. Combat IS the point.

>>385301341
Well, I never said that it was easy either. I just think that people focus too much on its difficulty as if Dark Souls' goal was to be difficult for the sake of being difficult.

>>385301523
>the story was barebones
You can say many things about Dark Soul's story, but "barebones" might be the stupidest description yet. If anything it's messy and muddled. It's certainly not "barebones" you pleb. Stop using these fancy words.

>>385301449
DMC and MGR don't make you micromanage the amount of attacks and fast rolls/dodges you can perform through an endurance stat.

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I wanna ___ White Korra!

XD DARK SOULS IS THE HARDEST GAME GUYS LE EPIC MEME WIN
Dark Souls is difficult, but if you think the mechanics or the game itself is "too hard" you're either a retard or an idiot. The point of it being hard is the fact that it teaches you through your own failures. If it feels like you keep running up against a wall, chances are you're doing something wrong. It's pretty smooth sailing once you get the hang of it.
t. Beat Dark Souls blind and had a great time

>Wait for visual cue
>Click
The horror.
The horror.

>>385302168
But there's more to it than that, anon!
>Hold out shield and get hit
>Walk backwards and drop shield
>Hit enemy with your now full stamina
These mechanics are just too much for me

>>385301523
Okay, let me rephrase that: the combat mechanics were not the point of Dark Souls. Enemy encounters were there to pull you in and keep the tension high, to put you in the shoes of your character, but not to make gameplay videos of you getting sick backstabs.

>>385300148
Because you are a faggot. Risk your life is fun sometimes

>>385301895
>Yoshi's Wooly World
fuck off with that plebian level shit

>>385302287
Look everyone with some sense know what you mean already you don't need to explain yourself- The combat in DS is just one part together with exploration, lore deciphering, witnessing the art etc etc

>>385298431
>Giant robot
Giant alien cyborg powered by the undead and mind controlled by eighth graders*
>smoking hot chick
Who holds a candle for some college sweetheart for ten years yet doesnt have any balls to lock him down**
>Feisty redhead
Who once likened him to a baby trying to go back into the womb bringing up thoughts of his mother even though his mother is dead, and then says he deserved to suffocate to death despite saving her from a volcano a couple fights prior***
>super """""submissive""""" hottie
That slapped his shit and is also a clone of his dead mother wholly created for ulterior motives****

>i hate you dad
This is the normal response

>>385301648

They flat out forgot about one of the main characters of the game, until fans reminded them. Don't pretend that it's not barebones just because you went gooey over an item description, or a sword-wielding dog. It's embarrassing.

>>385303808

This. I must have missed the anime trope where the entirety of humanity reverts to a sea primordial soup, leaving the boy as a new Adam to strangle the girl out of hatred with cumstained fingers.

>>385301156
that's the point

>>385303808
also dolls are gross

>>385300148
That's how Evangelion looks through the eyes of a normal person - as a show about a spineless sniveling faggot who has everything handed to him and still cries about it like a blubbering retard.

>>385305523
Why would I want to spend a second of my free time in watching a show about a crybaby bitch of a protagonist?

>>385306890
why not

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>>385306826
You mean that isn't the way it is? Shinji may be a realistic character but that doesn't make him a good one.

>>385306826

It's how eva looks through the eyes of a drooling sociopath maybe.

>>385306826
>everything handed to him

You mean being used by his insane parents as a guinea pig for the end of humanity?

Shit, i'm glad my parents just gave me a playstation and let me get on with it.

>the only Angel that Shinji outright refused to fight was the one possessing one of his only friends and he didn't want to risk killing him
>has the highest solo kill count among the chosen children despite not having the same training as Asuka or the autism of Rei
>only has a mental shutdown during EoE when shit actually hit the fan and the world was ending
>haha he's a bitch XD

What do people unironically mean by this?

>>385306826

You mean through the eyes of every normal thinking person

There isnt a deeper meaning in this series, there is nothing deep in Neon Genesis Envangelion compared to a better SCience Fiction series like Battle Angel Alita

>>385307241
>watching a giant robot show for sex

literally why?

>>385307241
>why don't these 12 year olds fuck anime is so stupid

>not just watching Dai-Guard
>not watching bored as fuck salarymen being forced to get in a robot and save the world from angels
>not enjoying things for what they are, and expecting them to somehow change to suit you

This is autism.

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>>385307303
>>385307342

>>385298431
>>385307241

He's 14 with severe abandonment issues what the fuck is wrong with people

>>385307303
>watching a robot show for muh angst and 2deep4u christian symbolism

>>385307404

Does the author not know what marketing is?

>>385307404
Is this entire comic script based on crying about a 15 year old cartoon?

>>385307447
If that's what it's about, sure.

>>385307404
they have some sort of point, but they still didn't understand it

>>385307447
worked for xenogears

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>>385307473
I think they're just fucking with Eva fans.

>>385307495
What is NGE about then. You must have an idea of the meaning behind the show with how hard your defending it's poor writing.

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>>385298431
I never got the fucking "Shinji didn't get in he mech" meme. He literally gets in the mech every time he's needed and did extremely well given the circumstances.

>>385307303
>not liking mecchi

>>385307584
he still bitched about it every time however

>>385307583
>What is NGE about then
overcoming depression

>>385307447
>Christian symbolism

That isn't why the show is considered good. It's a well done character drama and that's why people praise it.

>>385307473
>>385307495
>>385307495
>>385307507
why are you mad son?

I just completede DaS1 for the first time, and the only boss I had more than 3 tried on were Kalameet.

>>385307584
He spends like 2 or 3 whole episodes umming and erring about whether or not he should actually fight across the series.

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>>385307495
Nah

>>385307583
>what is NGE about then

giant robots fighting aliens and shit?

>>385307584
What about EOE, his inaction got Misato and Asuka killed, along with the end of the world.

>>385307657
im not mad

>Get put into giant robot with barely any explanation and told you have to fight a giant monster that nukes are even useless against or everyone is going to die. No pressure though kid
>Get slapped around before robot goes crazy and fights monster by itself
>Monster self-destructs on you as a final fuck you

>Second time piloting giant robot to fight monster
>Monster can cut through entire buildings like a knife through hot butter
>You only have a pea shooter that is completely useless against it
>Instead of retreating like HQ tells you to you charge it and shank it with your knife so it doesn't kill your friends

>Third time in giant robot fighting monster
>Giant geometric asshole floating through the sky
>go out to fight it
>the split second it sees you it fires a giant beam at you that almost boils you alive in the cockpit

>Oh yeah every time the robot gets hit you feel it too because your nerves are connected to it

>still keep getting in the goddamn robot every time after that

>>385307678
He runs away 1 time near the beginning but came back, that was it.

>>385307690

eh. that's mildly amusing

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>>385307110
>Never watch/read FMA but see porn of Alphonse and Nina and fap to it.
>"So what he's the full metal alchemist because he's a robot or something"
>watch the show years later

>>385307649
Really?
I got the impression that he was still an emotional wreck at the end because he started choking Asuka.

>>385307741
There was the time around about episode 20 after the dummy plug and before Eva-01 goes berserk and he dissolves into LCL.

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>>385307753
It's very hit or miss.

>>385307791
>fullmetal alchemist
>main character is only partly metal

dropped.

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>>385307709

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>>385307342

So they're never allowed to fuck, but him jerking off to a girl in a coma is a-ok.

Glad we cleared that up.

>>385307845
I miss gamergate

>>385307657

I just don't see the correlation between a show's themes and its marketing.

>>385307812
That's how he knew he wasn't in Instrumentality any more. Asuka would have sat back and let him kill her if this were his dream world still.

>>385307929
dont worry im not gonna bother guessing at it either

>>385307895
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>385307932
Couldn't he just pinch himself like a normal person?
Oh wait.

>>385298431
>sup son
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Is this a thread where people get irrationally angry that they don't understand a vaguely philosophical cartoon about robots that came out 20 years ago?

Neat.

>>385307995

What the fuck do you think, retard?

>>385307932
that's fucking stupid
>>385308000
case closed

>>385306989
He spends enough time reading his own posts.

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>>385307791
Anon the best part of this is I know why you thought he was a robot. He had a metal dick didn't he?

I know the porn you're talking about, you have committed a sin against god.

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>>385308145
DELETE THIS

asuka is best girl

>>385308069
>self-aware fourth-wall break in the first line of dialogue
>instantly pull it back, giving the opposite strawman opinion
>final panel shows the punchline to be the word "casual", art so bad you can't tell if she's happy, sad, angry or having an orgasm

What a waste of time

>>385308253
fucking kill yourself

>>385308253
asuka worst girl
every alternative is better

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>>385308281
lol

>>385308253

Ritsuko is best girl

I don't get instrumentality. Humanity is combined and Shinji interacts with everyone's he's known in his life, but what if a person doesn't know anyone? What happens with a baby during instrumentality?

>>385308334
what's up with the hands meme anyway

>>385298431
Well it's all about perspective.

If you're coming from a background where Legend of Zelda provides a meaty challenge and still occupies you, you'll find it too hard.

If you've played a decent action game in your life, you'll find it too easy.

So it's a weird middle ground. As far as dedicated aRPGs go the combat is about above par, and that's good enough to play through at least once.

>>385298431
What is the Dark Souls of anime?

>everyone bitches about how hard to follow evangelion is and how convoluted and complicated the story and metaphors and subtext are
>watch it
>it's basically the pokémon anime with blood and swearing
you guys are either brainlets or the dub gives a lot more context than the sub because this isn't hard to follow at all

>>385308379

Well, meeting everyone just seems to be a side-effect, rather than the point. Babies don't have much consciousness, so they barely count.

>>385308458

It's literally just Xenogears with bargain-bin transhumanism instead of bargain-bin jungian philosophy

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>>385308404
fixed that one for you, friend

>>385308454
Made in abyss.

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>>385308597
this

>>385308597
I don't remember Dark Souls being made by guro fetishists- oh wait, Aldritch, nevermind.

>>385298431
Thanks doc

>>385301648
>Gwyn lit the first flame
>Now it's going out causing shit to get fucked up like Oolacile, and the curse of the undead
>an undead is needed to burn to reignite it
Thats the whole story. Don't mistake lore for story

>story is shit
>characters are boring
>something always dies in it

is loss the dark souls of comic strips?

>>385308398
The joke is that in most yaoi stuff, the proportions are off, which lead to the result of huge hands.

>>385298431
Wow, it's like the author of this comic never actually watched EVA.

>>385308687
Not quite. The story is a lot simpler.
"make this pilgrimage and save the world"

it's a shit version of FFX

>>385307995
you didn't watch evangelion newfag

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>>385308398
Fujoshis have a fetishistic relationship with yaoi, so they end up exaggerating masculine features with an effeminate warp to comical degrees.

>>385301895
No way fag

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>>385308641
Bondad is so best

>>385308805
but why the hands

>>385308870
Hard to draw so they fuck up the proportions

>>385308870
Because large hands are a masculine symbol, man, I don't know. I don't make the rules.

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>>385308641
What's happening here?

>>385306989
>>385307442
>you mean you don't want to watch a show about a 14 year old with severe abandonment issues?
No. I don't. I don't understand how people like you can't understand why some other people wouldn't want to watch a show like this. Watching a show about an emotionally stunted character is not my idea of time well spent..
>>385308129
siq bro

>>385307995
>t. 12 year old

>>385308952
>Watching a show about an emotionally stunted character is not my idea of time well spent..
Yeah it was mostly reactionary to the wave of happy-go-lucky shounen leads at the time so it came off as a breath of fresh air, but by today's standards he's just a miserable unlikable shit.

Novelty is inherent to entertainment, and novelty doesn't operate in a vacuum.

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>>385308334

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>>385308949
suffering.

>>385308687
That's the premise, not the story.

>>385308949
Well some people are "sadists" and get sexual satisfaction from permanent dismemberment, disfigurement and despair. Sometimes they go on to write popular manga.

>>385309095
Just gimme the source so I can get my rocks off.

>>385309179
It's actually gud tho
And the adaptation is OTS

>>385307995
End of Evangelion

Asuka is in a coma. Shinji visits her and sees her boobs. He then proceeds to do what almost every teenage boy would do in that situation and cranks out a fat one right next to the hospital bed.

>>385308420
My problem with the game isn't that it's hard. It's that it goes out of its way to make things a chore. If I die to a boss because I haven't figured out its pattern yet, I don't want to have to trudge through the same enemies I had just defeated earlier.
I'd say Ys is a much harder game, but I'd very much rather play that series than the souls series.

>>385309103
No, the premise is "the world is slowly dying, but can be revived"

>>385309209
Mentioned above but it's Made in abyss. There is also an ongoing anime adaption at the moment.

>>385309103
That is the story though. All that happens ingame is that you light the first flame (or dont)

>>385309209
you are a retard

>>385308870
>>385308948
It's just their corollary to ludicrously huge tits.

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>>385309095
The enemy of man cannot stand before us.

>>385309270
This. Having to do the same obstacle course over and over again isn't a challenge, it's a slog.

Stuff like Ys or Etrian Odyssey is legit challenging, but isn't memed by youtube kids who can film themselves rolling naked through the obstacle course

>>385309270
Well I mean most of the levels are like a 10 second run back to the boss, man. It's not like ActRaiser or something like that were if you die to a boss, you can get fucked.

Ys was absurdly modern in design and still is. It's also the better series, like I'm gonna dispute that. Just you don't have to be the best to be worth playing.

>>385309103
Oh right sorry, here is the actual story
>you escape the asylum
>you ring 2 bells
>a snake says you need to light the first flame by going to anor londo and getting the lordvessel and then killing gwyn and the four fiends
>another snake says fuck that but you should do the same things anyway
>you do those things
>you become an edgelord or charcoal
>theeend

>>385300148
>The robot that contains the soul of your mother which tries to mind fuck you every third battle, as well as transfer all its sensations of damage and pain to your physical being sounds great

Have you faggots watched Eva? The suits are walking torture devices.

>>385309290
Now you're describing the denouement. That is an element of the story, but not even remotely the whole.

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>>385307247
daily reminder to filter and hide GladiumTonitrua's posts

>>385309452
Okay what's the story then? Inb4 you list a bunch of lore, which is not the story

>>385306890
You do it for Asuka.

>>385309441
That is called a "short synopsys". Yours is more or less accurate. Your point?

>>385309536
It's not short though

>>385309267
Well it turns out that being a sadist doesn't mean you're a bad writer or artist.

It's totally worth reading/watching, but all the guro sequences and general despairing/moe atmosphere is sadist catnip.

It's kind of like Tarantino working his foot fetish into a bunch of his movies. They're still worth watching, it having fetish stuff is just part of the package.

>>385309503
"Lore" is not a term in storytelling at all. Neither is "story", for that matter though, but I udnerstand that you're talking about the plot. The plot in DaS is told via gameplay mechanics, because it is a video game. Mechanics are pretty complex both on the micro and amcrolevel. Consult a Souls wiki if you want to know more details.

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>>385306826
>>385307008
and then it gets funnier in rebuild continuity

>Misato: fuck the world take what you want Shinji
>later
>Misato: Fuck you shinji this is all your fault also we're going to be extremely vague and not tell you anything
>later still
>Misato: FUCK YOU SHINJI WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID
>Shinji: So we need to pull out these two lances to save the world?
>Kaworu: something's wrong, that's not the right lances, don't pull them
>Shinji: I'M PULLING THEM ANYWAYS FUCK WHY IS EVERYTHING GOING WRONG WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP THIS KAWORU

>>385309590
It is a "short synopsys": it doesn't mention minor characters or minor events etc. A "full synopsys" details all events and is, in general, about ten times longer.

>>385309675
Ok so the full synopsis is the same thing except it also mentions crestfallen and tits, the only non optional NPC encounters
So long, so deep, so not barebones

Evangelion is shit

>defending the story
>in a game where you have to ring 2 bells because a man says "something good will happen"
>then a snake tells you to kill more things and set a fire
>to save the world or something

you killed white korra /v/, i hope you are happy

>>385307241
>>385298431
>watch a literal child being afraid to die fighting monstrous demon creatures
>"can't you enjoy it? lol"
the whole point of that show is how traumatic it is, shinji is a child soldier, he wants to go home and play video games

>>385309749
>except it also mentions crestfallen and tits
...and all other major and minor characters and events. Also keep in mind that most events will have to be described in terms of game-design and not literature or cinematography, because DaS is a video game.

>>385309892
>and all other major and minor characters and events
Wrong, those are all optional characyers uninvolved in the STORY, who exist as part of the LORE.

>>385309949
This. AFAIR, the story includes only your chosen undead, oscar, a handful of bosses, and a snake

>>385309949
Your problem is terminological. Neither story nor lore are terms that are usable in discussing the technicalities of narrative.

Here's how synopsis would go: the player character awakens in a cell and is then freed by the knight. The character explores the derelict place and stumbles on a towering demon, from which they must escape. Alternatively, the player character defeats the demon. After exploring the asylum further, the player character finds a way to defeat the demon (unless it has already been defeated) and is afterwards transported to a place called the Fireling Shrine, where they meet a number of characters: ... (etc. etc.)

The plot of a video game includes gameplay mechanics, level design and progression systems. Micro- and macrogameplay are all a part of it.

Remember that game design is an art form that is seperate from literature, cinematography and others and uses its own tools for storytelling. Lack of literary or cinematic storytelling does not mean lack of gameplay-centric (or ludic, or whatever you wish to call it) storytelling.

>>385310329
>posts the same thing but unnecessaruly wordy
Ok

>>385310329

I've read this through three times now, and it's all such needless sophism.

You're basically saying "it's special, so you can't criticise it"