Why did you let me die /v/?

Splatoon 2

I really hope ARMS doesn't die though. It's so much better than it deserves to be and I unironically want to see it reach eSports level popularity

>>385273018
EVO Japan will be its make or break

>>385273018
What? Splatoon is actually fun. ARMS is a mini game you play for 10 minutes then get bored.

>>385273136

ARMS is the only reason I'm hyped for EVO japan. Even more than the greater ARMS exposure, their tourneys use customs. I've liked the high level play I 've seen in some tourneys so far but get a bit annoyed that it's default only. I think doing custom tourneys will build more interest too.

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>>385272872
I was literally just playing you 5 minutes ago!!!

didn't this game sell boat loads

>>385272872
It's already sold close to what Persona 5 did...

>>385272872
It isn't dead though...?

>>385272872
>https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/NSwitch_Arms.jpg/
Was it autism?

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Arms was a fantastic concept that was barebones as hell. That said though I hope Nintendo comes through on their promise of new free content. Also its one of those games that could seriously benefit from an arcade version.

>>385272872
I bought Arms and it sucks. Splatoon 2 is way better.

>>385273018
I agree, I actually like it way more than Splatoon 2.

Nintendo is just releasing its exclusives too fast so every game gets forgotten in a month.

>>385274412
I bought Splatoon 2 and it sucks. Arms is way better.

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I'm into Splatoon 2 now, and it was only fun in like 20 min chunks for a week. Regret not redboxing/renting it.

>>385274471
Sorry for your shit taste

>>385274030
>reeeee people use the same image multiple times and i have le proof
Was it autism?

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I like it.

>>385274479
I never even enjoyed Splatoon 1, the game got old pretty fucking fast, I can't understand how so many people can play for more than a week, I didn't even bother with 2 after playing the demo.

>>385274542
t. OP

>>385272872
for a dead game you sure like making threads on it.

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>>385272872
Any game that sells less than [number of ARMS copies sold + 1] is a failure! That's the official definition I did not just make up!
BTFO BTFO BTFO BTFO BTFO

>>385274635
>someone else kno- thinks im being retarded
>must be samefagging

>>385274859
fucken roasted dude

>>385272872
But I still play. Someone has to whoop ass as Mechanicute.

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It sold more than 1 million copies though

>>385275142
Thats good for a new IP.

>>385275046
*pushes up anime lens flares* hehe goteem personnel my harambe

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>>385274631
Not sure why I like it, probably because the gameplay is perfect for my perfectionist autism. It's fun.

>>385275142
So did Pokken, and that's as dead as Mexicans crossing the border in a trailer.

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>>385272872
>1.14 million in a month
>for a new IP
>for a FIGHTING GAME new IP
dead my ass.

>>385272872
new ip that just launched a month ago and it sold over a million
it isnt dead just because you dont see threads on /v/

>>385275359
>gameplay is perfect for my perfectionist autism
what did he mean by this

>>385273867
Well over a million

>>385275360
Pokken released on a dead console with no support afterwards, it did amazing numbers all things considering.

So you think Nintendo is gonna keep making new IPs or rest on its laurels again for a while. They only seem to make new IPs when they run out of characters for Smash.

>>385273136
>>385273637
When is Jap Evo?

>>385275859
I think they'll keep making new ips for genres they don't have a hand in yet. ARMS fills Nintendo's space in the fighting game genre and Splatoon does the same with shooters. Maybe replace some Mario spin offs like Mario Party and Mario Golf with new ips in the genre

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>>385275979
ANGRY

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>>385275379
>ARMS
>fighting game

>>385275979
~~ Heeeey ~~

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>Post YFW Evo Japan will bury this game
>Post YFW shills tried to sell this shallow game as a deep competitive fighter and it blew up on them
>Post YFW Melee wasn't at Evo this year and Smash 4's time is burning out

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Mechanicute!

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I want to enjoy the game but I just suck ass at every control scheme. The level 3 computer curbstomps me 3-4 times before I finally win a rematch.

Also that bullshit at the end of 100-man mode turned me off from playing a bit.

>>385275483
I guess it's like a reverse collectathon, instead of collecting stuff you're putting paint on the world and trying to cover everything

>>385276941
>Melee wasn't at Evo this year
...it was, anon.

>>385276519
Yes, a figthing games, deal with it aSF cuck

>>385272872

>Can't make my SFM without some model rips!

DED

>>385276009

january

>>385276201

Which would probably explain why they don't bother making new F zero games. Why bother when Mario Kart sells like hot cakes and C. Falcon is more known as a smash bros character.

>>385272872
It's not dead but any discussion online is since it's either non-existent, slow, or about waifus with about a 1% sliver of competitive discussion that's mostly on discord. The /vg/ general was moving at a snail's pace until Splatoon put it out of it's misery.

>>385276519
I know this is bait but I have to ask, what qualifies as a fighting game? Why isn't Smash a fighting game? Why isn't Arms? Don't both allow you to fight 1v1 in a stage just like other fighters? I'm not really well versed in the FGC but I'm curious whether there's a reason for this mentality or it's just autism.

>>385281994

Seemed like the game ran into the issue of being too hard for nintenkiddies and too easy for real men. Seems decent though

>>385275360
Pokken did well enough to warrant a port on Switch and additional content, which means money was spent on more development time.

>>385275859
But they've been making new IPs for the past few years.

>Mii-based games
>Steel Diver
>Freaky Forms
>Dillon's Rolling Western
>Pushmo
>Codename S.T.E.A.M
>The Wonderful 101
>Ever Oasis
>Sushi Striker
>The Last Story
>Pandora's Tower
>Xenoblade
>Sakura Samurai
>Harmoknight
>Tokyo Crash Mobs
>Splatoon
>Nintendo Land
>Rusty's Real Deal Baseball
>Boxboy
>Nintendo Badge Arcade

>>385282754
it's not 2D or uses complicated inputs like SF so it's not a fighting game

>>385281338
>shadman

>>385282952
And only one of those was successful.

>>385283051
retard

>>385282861
>too easy for real men
isn't easy relative to an opponents skill? If you mean easy to pick up/understand them I don't see how that's a bad thing.

you're right about nintenkiddies tho. the fact that people are complaining about being unable to deal with the AI is a joke. The only remotely difficult AI character to beat consistently is lv 7 Hedlok.

>>385272872

>die

>it sold one million

>>385283058

Xenoblade too the rest though yea ded

>>385282754
Hopefully I'm not opening a can of worms here, but I think ARMS is way more of a fighting game than Smash is. Don't get me wrong: I have nothing but respect for pro Smash players and I couldn't get a stock off of any of them if I tried, but Smash is very much just a party game. To me, the intent of Smash Bros is to have 4 characters (or 8 in Sm4sh) duking it out on a bunch of crazy stages with random hazards and item drops that make it so you can never determine which player will end up winning. In the case of ARMS, while you can have 4 players fighting each other as individuals or 2v2 teams, it seems designed around 1v1 battles in stages that don't allow for random chance to determine who wins

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As a prominent member of the ARMS """""community""""" it died because the interest just isn't there. That's really all there is to it.

It's weird, the sales figures point to a booming online scene and crazy amount of players, but in ranked I play the same 5 people using the same 2 strategies constantly and it's unfun. The online Discord is full of people with their heads up their asses who would rather brag about online wins and post their ranks than actually enter a tournament.

Offline tournaments all over the country are dead. The local near me, they can't even get people to enter a FREE bracket. Which is fine, not every game needs to be competitive! But it's really weird to see such big sales figures and see almost nothing coming out the other end.

Personally I think the game is incredibly fun, but few people seem to agree with me and the other people that tend to be insufferable. It sucks.

I'm working with a big streamer to put together online tournaments leading up to EVO Japan now. I hope something comes of it but I'm not optimistic.

because nintendo won't let me buy a switch

>>385274296
It's sold about 1.1 million units anyways. ARMS is here to stay.

>>385283934
I'm one of the shitters who wants to see this game take off competitively, yet won't really take action to join the "scene" or create one near me if it doesn't exist yet. Quick question: is there a consensus on whether characters will be allowed to have custom ARMS loadouts in competitive play? I'm a Twintelle main online because I'm a fan of her beautiful black ass and I like her being able to slow down the enemy's attacks, but I don't like her default ARMS at all outside the Chilla

>>385282952
Only problem is that almost none of them were advertised well.

>>385284278

Do you have any experience with fighting games? Don't mean to be condescending, I'm honestly asking because most people that do, including the game's best players, are pointing toward default ARMS, but people new to competition want customs.

Both have risks, but I (and most tourney organizers) lean default. The problem with custom ARMS is that it becomes an optimization race, where the same 2-3 characters play the same 6-8 ARMS.

Of course, default has the risk of getting stale really easily and locking out some characters anyway (Helix) but I think it's the lesser of two evils. I just think the game has way more depth with defaults.

>>385283934

Which discord are you a part of, I'm in oen that's pretty active and with folks who go to tourneys like Cat Fight.

It's really strange how a game that was advertised well, sold well and had good reviews has such a tiny community. The game is huge in japan maybe EVO will change things.

>>385284278
>Quick question: is there a consensus on whether characters will be allowed to have custom ARMS loadouts

It's either all or none. I'm inclined to agree with Sol that defaults or some compromise between customs and defaults is best. Pure customs just means the characters with the best movement options (Ribbon and Helix until they fix the vertical camera/aiming) with the best arms and 2 sets that counter those arms' counters.

>>385284663
Not that anon, but the only discord I'm on is le ebin reddit Boogeyman one. Which one are you using anon, I'd like to see what cat fight has to say after watching him body Sol in that exhibition match the other day.

>>385284663

The main one, I think? I never post in it, though. I don't like anyone in there.

The guys who actually go to events (Cat Fight, Sol, Coney) are cool. The ones that don't, the online warriors, are fucking awful.

>>385283934
Not everyone who bought this game plays it competitively though.

I bet most people play in Party Mode.

>>385284516

I've been seeing the arguments and while I do see the point to be made about custom arms stagnating the scene, I feel like defaults only also forces it's own metas. Since Sol won 2GGC with Springman everyone wants to run him in defaults. That tourney at SDCC had friggin 3 springmen. The only 3 characters really used the whole thing were springman and Ribbon girl I can only recall one Mechanica main. The only time the other characters were used were as secondaries and rarely did it ever even come to that.

Sol suggested a default plus one which would be good but part of me would rather the risk of the optimization race than only having springmen tourneys and never seeing Helix who is an absolute joy to watch when used correctly.

>>385284897

Yeah obviously, competitive players are a super small minority. But with 1 million in sales, I expected locals to maybe get 20-30 entrants at the start of the game.

We couldn't even get 8.

>>385284516
Technically yes, but I'm mostly new to this. I went in super hard with Street Fighter V and found myself being pretty kinda sorta good at it, but it's illegal to like that game

Isn't EVO Japan or Japan in general going with customs as far as competitive is concerned? I remember hearing something along those lines when ARMS was still being talked about in gaming news.

In the end, I don't really mind playing with default ARMS. The waifufag part of me will be incredibly sad I can't comfortably rep Twintelle, but as far as competing goes, I have zero issues playing a top tier speedy grab spammer

>>385284824
>>385284843

>>385284824
>>385284843

https://discord.gg/549Jy it's pretty cool, Cat fight, swillo, Gore a lot of really good players in their discussing the game and some other games too.

>>385284961

To be fair, that event didn't exactly have the best players. ZERK is a fraud and everyone else was pretty much picked off the street. Coney was on commentary but probably would've gotten 2nd if he entered.

But you're right, I wouldn't disagree to 2 defaults and 1 custom. The problem is that pretty much every custom loadout is almost always the same, so enforcing some standardization would be fine.

Either way though, game's dead. So I don't see it happening.

>>385285070

Yea japan is customs. Looking forward to it.

>>385285070

I'm not sure if that's confirmed yet, but maybe! I'd assume it would be since it's probably being shilled in by Nintendo and I think Yabuki is big on custom ARMS.

They basically will REQUIRE Nintendo's help for it though, since they'll need all ARMS unlocked on a ton of different setups.

>>385285192

I thought Neru was actually pretty good, or maybe the excitement of seeing a semi decent MEchanica is clouding my judgment.

>>385285368
Even with Nintendo's help, would having the "plus" versions of certain ARMS due to the random nature of unlocking them be detrimental to the game's competitive scene? I just find this aspect of the game to be mind boggling considering Nintendo wanted ARMS to be this big eSports game instead of Smash's party game nature being fucked with in order to make it viable to play/watch at high levels

Because Splatoon 2 is just more fun.

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>>385272872
>mfw they sold wii boxing for full price

f

>>385285150
All I see here is a lounge with none of the people you mentioned. and a bunch of misc. channels with no competitive discussion. I was in there before but left because it seemed like there wasn't any good discussion

>>385274296
>arcade ARMS
>implying arcades exist in The Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ 2017
>implying a cabinet for this game would be able to have options for motion controls and a standard controller setup

>>385286019
Arcades thrive in Japan.

>>385274679
>OP makes thread saying ARMS is a dead game
>46 posters leave 90+ replies
>I try to make an ARMS thread for genuine game discussion/light waifufag circlejerking
>almost immediately archived

>>385286178
the second this thread dies I'm starting a new thread geared for comp. discussion

>>385285953

There in the discord but it's not like peeps are talking 24/7 about the competitive meta the convo needs to be initiated. Those people are there btw just @ one of them. They're pretty cool about it.

>>385286267
>>>385286178

>Anons still don't know the secret

>>385286107
Wouldn't be of much value to those outside of Japan who would want to use the ARMS arcade machine for local practice

>>385286267
Looking forward to it, anon. ARMS might not be dead, but discussion for it seems to be as far as I've recently seen, so I want to keep people talking about it as long as I'm able to

>>385272872
I'm glad I only got the Switch now, Arms was on my "to buy" list before I saw the reactions and how quickly it died on Twitch

>>385286743

>It's a twitch determines a game success episode

>>385275142
People fell for the le New IP with Nintendo logo bait, plus the general lack of games on Switch. If this released late into Switch's lifecycle I guarantee it wouldn't break past 0,5 million.

>>385286976
It worked phenomenally for Splatoon, so there was a reasonable chance it could have happened again with ARMS. I feel the difference is that Splatoon was just so revolutionary for the online shooter genre while ARMS isn't really turning heads in the FGC. That's also ignoring the fact that shooters are by and large more popular and easier to get into than fighting games

>>385287189

I think it's largely the genre. That kind of thing works in a shooting game because the core is so simplistic and the genre is incredibly popular. Splatoon also worked because the game is ridiculously easy to play with a pretty simple learning curve.

Fighting games however are a much more niche genre and the community is a lot less receptive to attempts to revolutionize the genre. But even despite that the game is ridiculously hard to git gud at for the common nintendo game player. Splatoon had the right level of difficult for how it was trying to change the game.

ARMS is simply too difficult in a field full of anal people on a console people don't expect games with that steep of a learning curve to be on. Despite all of that it sold well so we at least have that, but in terms of community building it seemed to die because it was too hard to keep up with.

>>385288086
I find that to be a goddamn shame after the trailer revealing the Switch made it seem like Nintendo was actively trying to make the console appeal heavily to the type of audience who would be big into eSports

>>385286019
I guess you've never been to a Round 1 then.

They have quite a few motion control arcades like Gunslinger Stratos and Magicians Dead to name a few.

>>385283934
Ranked is region based so if no one nearby is playing your shit outta luck.

>>385287189
There is also that little fact that Splatoon is simply a better game. The character design is very good in both games though.

>>385286743
>Twitch is the only way to determine if a game is popular due to viewcount and number of streamers

Oh to be youthful and ignorant.

>>385288512
Sadly, there's no Round 1 near me. Closest one would require me to take a goddamn Greyhound. I was mostly talking about how the arcade cabinet would have to have the option to use motion controls while also having the option to play the game with an analog stick and buttons.

>>385272872
It's Wii Sports Boxing 2. Who gives a fuck?

>>385273251
>cod but even more gimped
>fun

>>385288868
It is fun, plus COD is a gimped Battlefield

>>385287189
>I feel the difference is that Splatoon was just so revolutionary

Lol get over it the game has a slightly unconventional gimmick. That's it

>>385288086
ARMS clearly has a community though

>>385272872
I still play it, primarily as an exercise game, but I still play it. Throw on some wrist weights.

>>385289008
You're right. That just so happened to be enough for Splatoon to become extremely popular. ARMS's mechanics are also "slightly unconventional gimmicks", but its not exactly exploding in popularity compared to Squid/Kid Sim

>>385288983
>It is fun

But it isn't. It's basically a $60 demo. You do some slow sluggish tug-o-war for like less then 200 seconds, and that's the whole game. Yawn

>>385289196
Even though it's selling better then Splatoon 1?

Sounds like you just want it to fail

>>385289231
>But it isn't
But it is

>>385289376
I've explained why it isn't.

>>385289312
Yes, because buying ARMS on launch day and trying to find communities of people who are trying to learn how to play the game on a competitive level means I want the game to fail

>>385289402
You explained nothing

>>385289493
Sounds like your reading comprehension is shit. I've explained it in detail. Sorry for your buyer's remorse

>>385283934
>the sales figures point to a booming online scene and crazy amount of players
No, they don't, stop committing this fallacy. Sales figures point to an effective marketing strategy at most, they tell you nothing about how active the playerbase is afterwards. Street Fighter V had worse initial sales than ARMS but it more than makes up for it with its active, passionate community. While not a fighting game, Monster Hunter Generations didn't manage to sell more than a million, yet you'd be hard pressed to see anyone call the game dead. Given the lack of interest, I'm willing to bet 95% of ARMS buyers shelved the game after the first week, but Nintendo doesn't care since the hard numbers are there and they know investors/drones are going to eat this shit up.

>>385289462
Shitposting on /v/ isn't "looking for a community"

>>385289642
>source: my aids ridden asshole

>>385282964
How complicated does it have to be to be a fighting game? Is a game like Soul Caliber not a fighting game because you can move on the 3d planes?

>Doesn't take more than a minute to get players online, both party and ranked

> Sold 1,2 million units in 2 weeks even though fighting games are on a huge decline and even though it's a brand new IP

I genuinely don't understand what is wrong with this board

>>385289769
Source for what? Or does nu-/v/ require you to source your opinions now?

I'm getting a switch next month. Really hope I can actually play people in this game at the time.

>>385289642
>buttmad FGC baby is angry that the mean ol' ""wii waggle boxing 2"" killed Shit Feeder 5

>>385289642

Both of those games also have had years to develop their name. ARMS literally came out a month ago.

>>385289868
>ARMS has no community and everyone shelved it
>sauce
>DUHHHH ITS JUST LIKE MY OPINION MAN

??

>>385289910

If you can find people right now after Splatoon 2 just hit and is at it's apex in the media and before ARMS starts actualy rolling out new characters and content then you can be pretty safe there will still be people to play

>>385289910
Don't. Online became a fucking ghost town after Splatoon 2 came out.

t. own both

>>385290003
*doesn't actually own a switch

>>385275859
>They only seem to make new IPs when they run out of characters for Smash.

As of late a lot of it is unfortunately pretty much Assist Trophy material.

>>385290003

Well, I'm also getting Splatoon 2 so it's not like it'd be the end of the world if what you say is true. I'd prefer it if >>385289997 is more accurate, naturally.

>>385289986
>"Given the lack of interest, I'm willing to bet..."
Reading comprehension must be hard when you're a raging nintenbabby

>>385290156
ARMS has like 1.5 million owners after just a month. You will never EVER struggle to find players

>>385290195
>1.2 million sales in 2 weeks
>lack of interest

Lol. But sure, lets pretend that there's still interest in Tekken "struggled to sell half a million" 7

>>385290256
>You will never EVER struggle to find players
Meanwhile in the same thread:
>>385283934

>>385290156

I think some clarification needs to be made.

People have bought the game

People are playing the game

A community exists for the game

The thing is the community isn't as big as people thought it would be. and communities always have time to grow

>>385290402
Wow that's a nice fanfic you wrote

>>385290414
>The thing is the community isn't as big as people thought it would be

The franchise is literally a month old

>>385290402

"Anedoctal evidence that goes against the very concept of reason" shouldn't be taken even with a truckload of salt.

Like, come on, it's a multiplayer game on a content-starved Nintendo console that came out last month, you seriously for a second will believe that "it's dead" because a faceless internet voice told you about how a local tournament didn't want to run a game?

Anyone know which regions actually have locals? I don't have a Switch yet, and probably won't for a while, but I love fighting games and would love to get invested if there was a scene available.

>>385290954

East coast has quite a few