What went wrong?

>>385269147
hats

valve being lazy and greedy, other than that nothing

I dunno I haven't played since that robot update, shit was stupid

is there still a /v/ server?

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>>385269147
Valve being valve

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>>385269401
Valve only went to shit because they found out they could make boat-loads of cash off of idiots.

>>385269147
valve focusing on esports shit and cosmetics turned them into lazy hacks. turns out they were the real tf2 killer all along.

>>385269445
Overwatch didn't kill TF2. TF2 is killing itself

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what can be done in this case?

>>385269147
Game designed around continuous updates stopped getting updates.

>tfw hats/f2p both saved and killed TF2.
I have no idea what to think about it.

>>385269859
Votekick the scouts one by one.

>>385269147
Nothing. It's still fun even now.

>>385270427
all the engies where sitting on last btw

>>385269859
What's happening here? Too many characters of the same class?

>>385269147
pyro being the babysit class kinda sucks

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>>385270635
Votekick them ALL

mann co store.
mvm being a cash grab gambling system
abandoning mvm altogether
mym being a shitty overmeme ripoff
listening to b4nny/comp players on anything
lack of good new maps
going f2p

>>385270873
At the same time idle engies defending the cap works if you want to tryhard for the win.

kick the scouts for being awful

>>385269859
Stop playing on custom servers with no timelimits.

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What can be done here?

>>385269147
Soldier and aimbotting snipers

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Hats were fine, you could only get them through random drops. It was just a fun little cosmetic thing.

Mannconomy killed it. It showed that Valve didn't care about the future of TF2, they just used it as their guinea pig to test concepts and business models for other projects.

>>385271097
did you win? :O

Brony's
Hats
Ranked
Overwatch

>>385271487
I dont remember but Id hope.

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Valve focusing on cosmetics over gameplay → Barely any new weapon/gamemode update for years → Game got stale → Overwatch being new made everyone migrate to it.

From the looks of it, the cycle is already repeating.

>>385270751

>>385270635

>>385269147
Everything. From the start TF2 detracted the mature audience and positioned itself to appeal to younger and more impressionable.

You think hats and microtransactions were unplanned? That art style was used as tool to get the young kids with their parents money into the game and on steam itself and when they finally had the infrastructure they would supply a steady drip feed of cosmetics and drops. When sniper vs spy update hit my fears were confirmed it was going to be another F2P trash. What was the point of the drop and crafting system when not all classes had gotten their update? Why wasn't it included from beginning? Because the technology was not there to support valve taking money from you.

In china where I'm from I have seen this many many times before. Please dont spend money on keys or crates or cosmetics. You think you are supporting some starving artist developer but really you are stuffing fat greedy pig gabe with your hard earned money.

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>>385272262
>TF2 detracted the mature audience
have you listened to the voice lines? unlike Overwatch (which wants to keep a friendly T rating), they actually bothered to add real banter.
And don't forget gibs and the dying screams of all classes

btw, post absolute dominations

>>385269147
Actively making the game look and run worse.

>>385272489
8/10 for not dominating the other top-scoring guy, and for doing it all with the ez mode class.

>>385272489
You are fool. TF2 is edgy cartoon with rude humor, like south park.

overwatch is watered down version for gay acceptance but no harsh language because gay lovers are single mothers.

>>385272262
They wanted kids to play it so badly they packaged it with Half Life another game obviously for kids.

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>>385269147
As someone who has played thousands of hours of TF2, and who considers classic TF2 one of his favorite games, I feel like I'm qualified to answer this.
>hats
Hats ruined the style of the game. They used to be carefully curated so that they would fit the style of the game, the personalities of the characters, and would be accurate for the time period. As time went on, everything got wackier and wackier and now it's just a shitfest. The game looks like crap because there are a million pink haired, fedora'd, particle effecting retards running around every server.
>graphics
With hats, the graphics have gradually gotten worse and worse to make room for 32 players wearing 3 hats that have more polygons than the character models.
>experimenting
Gaben admitted that TF2 is the dumping ground for all of Valve's ideas. Everything that they want to implement into CS:GO and DOTA goes through TF2 first. Obviously this leaves the game with a lot of bullshit that doesn't stick.
>competitive
Valve didn't give a single shit about the competitive community until Overwatch was announced, and then they cobbled together a garbage ranked system that's dysfunctional to this day.
>removal of server browser
Part of the fun of TF2 (and CS Source) was the community aspect. You had favorite servers and you would see the same people everyday and you would goof around and have fun. Good luck making friends when you have no choice which server you get.
>RANDOM SHIT
Why are there ducks everywhere? Why is there mutated bread everywhere? Why is everything pink and rainbows? Why is everyone wearing bird heads? Why did anyone think that any of this shit was a good idea?
>people drop ammo packs instead of weapons now
I'm just pissed about this. No reason really other than I think it looks dumb. Adds more clutter to the map I guess.
>blatant fanservice
pic related
>weapon balance
Valve doesn't know what they're doing whatsoever.

Literally nothing. The core game is still the same masterpiece it always was.

>>385273551
Server browser is still there, before you had to use it, but adding quick play fucked community servers.

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>>385269147
pic related

>>385273551
>>people drop ammo packs instead of weapons now
Since MYM, they've always dropped right alongside the ammo packs.

>>385273551
>Gaben admitted that TF2 is the dumping ground for all of Valve's ideas
It's not TF2, it's all Valve games. Gaben said they use any game they are making as a way to test out new technology and innovate in any given mechanic or subject.
He even said one of the reason for them to make a new game is to use this new stuff in it.

>>385272489
>tfw I am going to be on someones dom screenshot in this thread because I am that much of a shitter

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>>385274553
keep at it m8

>>385273551
>No reason really other than I think it looks dumb
It's just to make it more obvious to new players.

>>385269147
It's a casual, sit back and have fun game. Valve is trying to make it competitive and nerfing all the fun shit.
Just blame b4nny and Froyotech

>>385273551
>weapon balance
>Valve doesn't know what they're doing whatsoever.
The proposed WIP patch notes were great, for the most part. It seems they are puting more work into balance ideas and actually listening to good players.

Hat simulator

>>385273551
Valve didn't do competitive because of Overwatch, Its pretty clear at this point that they've wanted to experiment with competitive since 2012-13

Casual though? Yea, thats certainly trying to imitate Overwatch, or just other modern fps games in general. I'm actually fine with it because it encourages people to actually play the fucking game, atleast more than quickplay did. I'm just pissed that autobalance and shuffling after matches is still not back. Also CTF Sawmill IS STILL GONE.

>weapon balance

Eh, the changes they posted honestly aern't bad, just that some of them like the Ambassador are just dumb and will hopefully get changed. Waiting to see the final patch notes in 10 years when the update actually comes out to see if Valve is done making shitty decisions like the Bison

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>>385275872
b4nny did nothing wrong

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384 DAYS
GIVE IT UP FOR 384 DAYS SINCE A MAJOR UPDATE

>>385269147
valve became completely enchanted by VR and forgot to give TF2 to a outside dev team

this next update is going to be absolute shiet especially if it drops mid august

>>385276006
Context

>>385276164
DELET

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>>385276261

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>>385276164
I'm gonna be so fucking pissed off if turns out that the update was pushed back to the 10th anniversary.

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>>385276261
you're not a fragger, you wouldn't understand

>>385276190
Im betting on them waiting for the 10th anniversary in October

Quick rundown on everything supposed to be in the update

>official valve jungle map
>community jungle maps
>new campaign, supposed to be CYOA,
>non-stock weapon skins
>pyro rework, said to be a complete overhaul
>3 new pyro weapons
>New Official sfm short

>>385276365
That doesn't help with the context at all

>>385276501
See >>385276476

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BORN TO BURN
CART IS A FUCK
WM1 Kill Em All 1956
I am axe man
410,757,864,530 DEAD SPIES

>>385276261
I think its a reference to one of his teammates sleeping with a girl he was after.

>>385276598
waste of a slot

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>>385276501
first one is actually edited but the rest of these aren't

What year do the events of Team Fortress 2 take place?

Over what years do the events of the Team Fortress comic take place?

>>385269147
The game got stale because Valve dropped in content without properly supporting it (regular balance patches, hotfixes for matchmaking, more MvM, etc.), which is hard to today now that only a handful of people work on a game that gets 3 updates a year if we're lucky.

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>>385272489
hello, yes, this is cancer speaking

Nothing?
The core gameplay is still better than most mutiplayer shooters because it has its roots on Quake.
I guess the fanbase is kind of shit since it went f2p.

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GIVE ME YOUR HAT

>>385276767
late 60s early 70s

>>385269147
It wasn't the night

>>385269147
valve servers

>>385276653
It was his ex gf who dumped him and started dating Clockwork who B4nny had just begged to join his team again.

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>>385276680

>>385277093
This guy is a living meme

>>385275963
I still think Casual needs more rounds than just 3 at maximum

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>>385276819
You are like little baby

Watch THIS

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>>385277159
b4nny's twitter is a gold mine

>>385276885
Burning Bandanna

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>>385269147
pic related

>>385275872
This 2bh
They should balance things differently around Comp like they did MvM since Comp should be an optional niche

The biggest problem right now isn't balance or class or whatever. It's the matchmaking system.

Too many times do I get added into servers after the round is finished. Teams being ridiculously unbalanced is the norm now. Something like 5v11 happens way too often and Valve needs to add players in as soon as there's a slot instead of adding them in bulk.

And an option to join in a server in the beginning of the game is much needed. No one wants to get added in a losing team at the end of the round.

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>>385277242

Not that much really. There's more content than ever before, plenty of players, and if you really don't like the items you can go to a server than only has vanilla items.

>>385273874
>>385275872
>>385276006
>>385276476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSm0wHJt2Lw

>eSports players

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>>385269147

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>>385277390
This. Class balancing SHOULD be the biggest problem but MyM was full frontal shitshow that only existed to create more problems where there was none before. It's to a point that the most hyped thing for me of the Pyro update isn't even rebalncing the class, but fucking fixing the servers into a playable state.

>>385269147
stupid fucking nerfs for no reason, in a game that isn't meant to be competitive or balanced.

This happens to all valve games eventually, with the exception of coop games like l4d

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>>385277413

Engi is so much more fun on offense.

>>385275764
>It's just to make it more obvious to new players.
No. Only time valve have given a statement that wasn't speaking highly about new players was during End of the line update.
They added these ammo packs because now you can pick up the weapon other person dropped.

>>385277212
nice

>>385277483
Gotta admit. Alpha as fuck

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>>385277768
They made up later but still
>thirdplaceb4nny

>>385269147
>Valve periodically abandoning the game to run itself through Mann Co Store sales
>cutting the TF2 dev team down to a handful of people
>putting in some of the ugliest community cosmetics available while ignoring the classier ones which don't look out-of-place
>outsourcing the Halloween events almost completely, removing the Haunted Halloween Gift, and leaving everyone to draw cosmetics from a pool of every Halloween cosmetic ever except for the spells which would actually be worth a damn as duplicates
>End of the Line was a bust
>rd_Asteroid and pl_CactusCanyon are never getting finished despite the former being really fun and well-liked by the community
>Meet Your Match fucking up the matchmaker system for a while around the time Overwatch was getting popular
>MvM getting abandoned
>the comic being ridiculously delayed
>no new SFM shorts in a long time

>>385275928
>actually listening to good players.
>the base jumper
>bison
>ambassador
>vitasaw

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>>385277664
>run rescue ranger/wrangler/jag on badwater offense
>fucking constantly moving my sentry into stupid spots that people ALWAYS run into
>last point
>wait for demo/soldier/spy to destroy the sentries
>wrangler jump to that one corner of space next to the end
>just rancho relaxo and watch my sentry destroy people as they run at the cart

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>>385277927
RIP asteroid
RIP ctf_sawmill
RIP ctf_well

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>>385277258

>>385277958
Exactly, only shitters have problems with it. Ambassador is pretty much the only controversial one.

>>385278031
that's good

>>385278006
ctf_sawmil is the best DM map but hightower shitters hate it because the skill floor is too high.

>>385277958
>base jumper
just because pub players weren't good enough to use it doesn't mean it didn't have problems
>bison
might be in the full list of changes
>ambassador
I highly doubt they're going to keep the random spread idea.
>vitasaw
interesting change that actually requires some effort on the medics part which is good.

>>385277927
>rd_Asteroid and pl_CactusCanyon are never getting finished despite the former being really fun and well-liked by the community
Robot Destruction was an awful gamemode that was made better via Player Destruction. CC had the same problem of early Tf2 maps being way to chokey with the last point being the only really good map.

That said they fact they just up and abandoned them completely does make me sad.

4 way joke game modes when?

>>385277974
I don't think I've ever seen a situation where an attacker's level 2 or 3 sentry looking over the final point didn't result in a swift win.

>>385278051
I would be ok with them nerfing the Ambassador to only do minicrit damage after a certain range, but only if they nerfed the Diamondback too. Its literally the Ambassador except you don't have to headshot and can rapidfire the crits,

>>385278006
I swear I feel like I'm the only one that loved 5CP Gorge.

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>>385276885

>>385278309
It's a buff at short-mid range, though.
They said the increased accuracy is real good.

>>385278314
I didn't even realize they got rid of that one too

>>385278190
Its literally a stock downgrade from the Ubersaw now though, like the rest of Medics melees.

In fact medic has the most unbalanced weapon pool in the entire game. As in there is ZERO reason to use anything other than the Crossbow and little reason to use anything other than the Ubersaw.

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>Backscatter only minicrits at close range because Scout is a close range class
>Ambassador minicrits at literally any range because...
>Uh....

>>385278309
I think the headshot is calculated first which always makes the distance mid range.

>>385278309
yeah i never see anybody say anything about the diamondback despite how ridiculous it is

>See through a spy's disgusise a mile away
>he just two shots me with his free on demand crits anyway

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>>385276819

>>385278565
I don't use the crossbow because I can actually aim the needlegun and make quick work of tryhard scouts going for fucking medic picks in a Valve pub

>>385278583
Because Spy is a shitty class and needs all the help he can get.

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>>385273551

it hurts

>>385278725
>UHHH.....

>>385278565
I think the body part system is not going to work very well, because medic already gets uber with melee with the ubersaw, and just doing the same thing just for uber you are gettin when you revive is dumb, because with the uber that you would gain from the ubersaw you could have escaped.

>>385278650
For a second there, I was like "why is there a backwards clock?"
nice job, dude

>>385278565
>Its literally a stock downgrade from the Ubersaw now though, like the rest of Medics melees.
Oh god it's the fucking ubersaw autist, valve doesn't give a shit about it their #1 priority right now is to fix all the banned weapons and ubersaw isn't one of them.

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>>385272489
From a few years ago

>>385269147
weapons behind RNG paywall

TF2 started the trend of dumbed down team based shooters

>>385278993
>24/7 2fort [INSTANT RESPAWN]

I don't think you understand the point of these

>>385279138
How so? The classes are still distinct and have their own niche like classic team based shooters.

Do you guys ever wonder what would happen if we got the original TF2?

>>385278583
Since when Ambassador does minicrits?

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>tf2 gone to shit
>no one plays tf2 classic
fUCK

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Is there a law or something that says every tf2 match requires at least one Barneyfag?

>>385279397
fuck off lee

>>385279340
>no one plays tf2 classic
I would go back to it, but the rate of updates is even worse than modern TF2.

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>>385278360

>>385269859
lol are you the guy who said he primarily plays tf2 in the steam red flags thread

>>385279317
2 questions:

What do you think the Ambassador does?

What year do you think it is?

>>385279340
where and how do i play tf2 classic

>>385269232
fpbp

>>385279609
Amby crits on headshot my man, not mini-crits.

>>385279709
http://tf2classic.com/
it's pretty much tf2 without hats/extra weapons save for stuff like the nail gun for scout. It also has 4-team modes and a deathmatch mode
it's pretty fun, but no one plays it

>>385269445
TF2 was already dying when Overwatch was released.

>>385279881
>New classes!
>Play as the Mercenary in the all new Deathmatch gamemode!
Yeah no

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It's more how the valve development system works. There is no heir achy structure within the company; so essentially there is no bosses and no motivation to be productive or even produce content.

I don't think hats were the problem it's more the player base and how it's changed over the years, especially when it went F2P.
With computers being more and more powerful these days and the hardware requirement to play tf2 has gotten cheaper and cheaper it's attracted the very young crowd who can play it on their school laptops or a very cheap computer. This means a lot of immature kids start playing the game or people who just don't really give a fuck about the game can just re-make accounts or be as toxic as they like.

Cheaters; tf2 has been weird in that aspect, the rise of cheaters in tf2 only started about 2 or 3 years ago. When the game did initially go
F2P there was still barely any cheaters for years. It's just unfortunate that the rise in popularity of cheating has skyrocketed these past few years; which could be due to the new generation mindset that have picked up the game (you'll find that most people that are cheating are within this young age group)

I would also say social media has played a large part as well. People can voice their opinions to large groups of audiences now and make problems that are very apparent about the game known to large groups of people quickly. Also we live in an age where developers are meant to be approachable and open via social media to it's community; so when they essentially shut themselves out of this and don't communicate it's a very negative thing to happen which also negatively affects your game.

Other than that it's a 10 year old game, the amount of companies that still look after a 10 old+ game outside of an mmo are pretty much unheard of it. Most companies produce a game, set up once and move onto the next ip.

these are just my opinions

>>385279997
we wuz the highlander

>TF2 made everybody move over to overwatch
Why do they keep saying this? Only a retard would move over to overwatch.

>>385269147
The EXACT moment where everything Valve related went to shit was when they implemented crates as an experiment and wistfully realized they were making retarded amounts of money.
Imagine being a legendary developer, part of one of the most well known gaming companies, working on one of the most popular franchises, then everything you've done is blown away by some stupid fucking crate scheme and now nobody wants to do anything else.

>>385280069
Moving from TF2 to OW is like moving from a condemned house to a house that's currently on fire, neither are good options at this point

The only fun i have with this game is playing lobbies. matchmaking is just god awful

>>385279996
>and the hardware requirement to play tf2 has gotten cheaper and cheaper
TF2 is fucking unplayable nowadays. The community-made hats are unoptimized as fuck. My rig that got 60fps no problem now literally cannot keep up with stupid fucking hats.

A R T S T Y L E
B R E A K

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>>385280069
>all my retarded Steam friends who hadn't touched TF2 since 2010 telling me "You should play Overwatch. It's just like TF2."

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>tfw listening to the developer commentary again

>>385280348
They so badly wanted Hydro to be good.
They really, really tried.
It's not fair.

>>385280069
I did. I even hit lvl 600. But the more I played the more I missed TF2. I was a fool for thinking it'd fill the void old TF2 left me.
t. 8300 hours fag

>>385280397
I want them to have another go at a large map again. Hydro is AESTHETIC as fuck.

killing dedicated servers pretty much ruined the game. I loved going to a specific game type server and play KOTH and Payload all day. Now most servers are Turbine or high tower 24/7 only or trade servers.

Casual is fun but once a match is over the teams usually just disband because most likely one team got steam rolled and will most likely be steamrolled again. They should add auto balance or a team shuffle/scramble after every match.

Not having on a time limit is some maps is fucking retarded and the match drags on forever, one of my matches took around 40 minutes to end.

>>385279138
Lol no CS1.6 did that

>>385280550
The satellite dish point is so fucking nice aethetically, but it plays out so poorly. The entire area is just so open that it doesn't lead to any interesting gameplay. You just rush the point until everyone dies.

>>385280161
>implying making bank from fucking crates and doing fuckall wasn't the endgoal

Why did you think Steam was forced into Half-Life 2? Why did you think they attempted paid mods, with Gabe going as far as make a rare appearance to defend it on Reddit?

Valve was always shit, it's only now that they can drop the act.

>>385277483
Based b4nny taking out the trash

Broken unplayable competitive, no quickplay, no substatial new content.

Pyro update will be new community made cosmetics and maybe 1 community made map

i stopped playing in 2013 because the community fucking sucked and i doubt it got much better since then

>>385280958
This!! They probably won't even add any new heroes.

What do you guys want from a tf3?
>not made by valve
>less cosmetics, and the ones that are actually in the game fit the art style and time period
>bring back grenades from tf classic
>an actually good beginner tutorial
>not F2P
>no mann co. store
>no crates
>less focus on competitive
>regular updates for a 1-2 years, adding new weapons, maps, and maybe a few cosmetics

>>385281415
I.E. Shit that'll never happen.

>>385281415
Open world military simulator by Bethesda

>>385279602
busted
>>385281415
bring back scrapped game modes

>>385281415
you've basically described a game that will not survive more than a year..if that. Games that last these days have oodles of micro transactions and things that are specifically designed to keep the player addicted / spending money on it to ensure they play it.

>>385281415
yeah can i get uhhhhhh

fuck it actually i just want to go back to 2007 internet culture, there's literally no way a TF3 would be good

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Assuming you would ever play with /v/, would you join a group made just to organize parties for casual mode?

>>385281894
2007 was when the Internet went to shit anyway.

>>385281992
Custom server or fuck off

>>385281992
>Assuming you would ever play with /v/

>>385282005
i just picked 2007 because that's when it came out, i'd prefer like 2005 or some shit

>>385281992
I used to actually play with /v/ (well, technically /a/) in community servers like Weeabootique and Snake's Ass, and also that one server admined by Traffic Cone.

Shame those times will never come back.

>>385281415
Without microtransactions, or subscription, or something like in game advertising, there wouldn't be a continuous source of income for paying server costs. Unless you want to play on shitty p2p servers.

>>385281415
A knight class so demoman can actually get more explosives

>>385281415
>not made by valve
So you want overwatch, huh?

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>>385269147
Once valve ran out of ideas they used tf2 as a guinea pig for their new micro transaction system that they'll use for all their future f2p games from now on.

>>385281415
>bring back grenades
Kys

>>385282220
>What are community-hosted servers?

Game did just fine until Valve flooded everything with F2P shits. I remember retards shilling it in the past as "saving the game by injecting new player," but if anything the community's worse, both quality and quantity, and hacking is rampant as all F2P games are.

>>385281415
>bring back grenades
Why? We already have demoman to shoot around corners or into chokes

>>385282039
look at the party van, completely dead

>>385281415
You just made up a TF2 killer. Join Brink.

>>385281415
> bring back grenades from tfc

the frag grenades were the second worst thing about tfc

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>>385269147
Plenty, but it's still the best game ever made and still the best multiplayer game on the market

>>385282650
How do you think community servers pay their costs? Hell some have no problem straight up selling advantage.

>>385282946
What was the first?

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>>385272489
Is it bad that I spent more than half my time ingame playing Hightower?

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>>385272489
Hello there.

>>385283054
Fun to play on now and then, but usually feels like a haven for shitty market gardener soldiers to fuck around in

>>385282992
How fucking useless the scout was

>teammates always Z+2s after I overheal him
>says nothing when I save him with an across-the-map crossbow shot

>>385269147
>Meat Your Match's winner will receive their update first
>Been over a year and still no sign or hint of the Pyro pack

Hyped as fuck to play the new Heavy update in Q4 2019.

>>385269859
>357 ping as a scout
How does he even have a score?

>>385283527
I honestly think TF2 will be completely dead by the time the heavy update comes along.

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>ITT: nitpicking
TF2 may have many minor flaws but at its core is still very fun and is the BEST multiplayer game on the market.
>"b-but 1% of players own horrendously ugly hats (which can be modded out)!"
>"b-but the Medigun is slightly less shiny than on release in 2007, which I didn't realize until Crowbcat pointed it out to me!"
>b-but the F2P update changed every single player from Aryan Einstein geniuses into bronyunderagebrazilianrussiantradebots who make up 100% of players!!"
Shut the fuck up and remember:
TF2 has fuckloads of content
TF2 has a high skill ceiling
TF2 has a huge amount of customization
There were retards and underages pre-F2P aplenty as well, they were just called noobs then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95iwH1UsFC4 and the community is still miles better than most other games'
TF2's fundamental design is some of the utter best in vidya

Game is damn good, no minor flaws are going to change that. So stop your Tortanic-imitating bullshit for like two seconds thanks.

There's no point in nitpicking one of the best games on the market when far stinkier shit is out there.

I wish there was a way to get the 2007 graphics back, I know theres a mod or two but they don't work on official servers.

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Since we're posting highlights, this is back when mannpower was populated and my steam name was a clusterfuck.

>>385283889
the fuck is mannpower

>>385283889
>225 points
Was BLU team literally just walking into your sentry over and over again?

what is up with those pings

>>385283889
damn u shur are pro at killing 300 ping F2Ps

>>385284009
The lack of avatars on BLU should be enough of an answer.

>>385284009
If I remember correctly, I was using the regeneration powerup and constantly hooking around their base slapping mini sentries down the moment they killed the last one.

>>385269147

Name an online game that has lasted 10 years that is still played.

>>385283889
>those pings
I'm confused

>>385284205
Battlefield 2

>>385284205
ROBLOX NIGGA

>>385284205
people still play CS:S and 1.6

>>385284205
WoW, runescape

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Its nighttime the best time to play tf2?

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Hey /v/,
yore
ugleh

>>385284205
Name one that ISNT still played. There are never really completely abandoned multiplayer games.

>>385284793
the best time to play tf2 was 8 years ago

>>385284974
Deathmatch Classic. Fucking Ricochet has more players. Deathmatch Classic has 0 people playing.

Devs fucked it with last few updates
>engis can't do shit now
>soldiers and demos are OP now
>other ridiculous stat changes that had no reason to be changed
>feelsbadman.jpg

>>385285191
>>soldiers and demos are OP now
>now

>>385269147
unlockable items tied to achievements and wonky ass movement physics that means the game is basically the melee of pc games

>>385285191
Balance for pubs pretty much doesn't matter. Just hope that the changes they do make casual play more fun and more organized or higher level play more balanced.
There's just no way to balance a 12v12 game.

If I were to tell someone back in 2011 that tf2 will have weapon skins that can be 'factory new' like csgo or that people would pay money to collect fucking ducks they would've laughed at me.

>>385285357
there is a way to keep a game balanced

don't add a shitton of weapons

Does medic take skill? Whenever I see Mercy mentioned on /v/, people always laugh about how playing her takes zero skill.

>>385270115
better to have let it rest, for integrity's sake, but valve opted for the route of greed, a dirty road they continue to travel

buff the shortstop now valve, give it back the reload speed

Should I craft hats or keep my metal to trade for hats?

UNNERF RIGHTEOUS BISON

>>385285549
Yes because uber deployment is far more tactical and life-or-death than Mercy's "res the whole team" ultimate which is very flowcharty.

>>385285505
12v12 would still be a mess even with only stock weapons.

>>385285693
>>385285612
you and me man, valve is always nerfing weapons that don't need a nerf

>>385276261
It's a lyric from a Cohead and Cambria song.

any prospect of the party van coming back any time soon?

>>385285626
Trade, your chances of crafting a bunch of crummy 1.33 ref hats is very high.

>>385285171
http://steamcharts.com/app/40

>>385284974
Tabula rasa

>>385287302
Really obscure multiplayer games are a bit of an easy target, plus the game technically closed down many years ago. It's like saying microvolts is dead; like, no shit.

>>385269232
>>385269271
These. TF2 was perfectly fine and you can still have a good time if you play it right now. The issue with it is that Valve just let it stagnate for years, content with just putting new shit out in the cash shop. Meanwhile, Blizzard took TF2 and revamped it in a way that made it mega popular with basically fucking everybody and their drunken uncle. Why do you think TF2's competitive update happened right around Overwatch's launch window?

>>385277390
There has been so many times where I join a server, hear "The Bomb is nearing a checkpoint", then find out I got put on Red Team with a timer over 9 minutes.

>>385287578
Hey buddy dead is dead. Otherwise I could just make a new game and thus a game would be undead. Huzzah.

>>385287930
It is, though any literally dead multi games are either 1. incredibly obscure, or 2. literally unplayable.

How do I know if I'm a bad medic or not?

>>385288112
"Incredibly obscure" is vague as fuck, you could fit everything to that.

>>385288776
Good point. Then again, even said incredibly obscure indie games have at least one guy playing at all times. http://steamcharts.com/app/375600

>>385288985
Here we go: 0 players online.
I guarantee that "3 player peak in 24 hours" is people playing local co-op, offline.
http://steamcharts.com/app/277390
And this came out last year and is really pretty fun. It made rounds on blogs so I don't think it's all that obscure.

>>385288761
Prioritizing your healing, knowing when and how far to extend (If your target dives headfirst into the enemy team then maybe you shouldn't follow them), not dropping your ubers, landing your crossbow bolts, and CONSTANT awareness are signs of a good medic.

>>385289209
Guess you did it. A dead indie game at least.

Never heard of it before, but a small mainly-coop game for $10 that could pass on kongregate? Practically DOA.

>join match
>3 Pyros, 2 snipers, 3 spies, 2 engineers, and a soldier on payload offense
Do you try to salvage these situations or just quit?

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>>385269147
How come the game now runs at like half the FPS now, on my modern computer, than when I used to run it on my 2007 one?

>>385290616
When all this shit was added https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhRNIsNyfSk&t=3m8s

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TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT

>>385292703
Not falling for your tricks again

>>385277493
Who made this? I want to be sure whoever made this wasn't being ironic

>>385293264
me i made it

>>385293264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fCpAuxrQ_I&t=5s

>>385269859
post that Mio-chan

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>>385294358
this one?

>OW threads
>TF2drones shitting on OW

>TF2 threads
>TF2 fans shitting on their own game

???

>>385294567
ty kindly sir

>>385271214
woah, their succesful free to play game that never lost its player base significantly, WANTS MORE MONEY WITHOUT AFFECTING THE GAMEPLAY! Gasp! Say what you want about gameplay changes, but this didn't kill it. If anything there would be significantly less players without it, or would you have preferred a progression system?

>>385269372
Co-op update was fun.
I think the whole taunt fest started the down fall.

>>385294894
I think he means Robotic Boogaloo, which was retarded.

>>385295307
Oh, yeah that shit was stupid.

The only reason the did the update cause every body kept on shitposting robotic hats to the workshop.

>>385295772
And now all those shitty robot hats are diluting the unlocked cosmetic crates. The only good one added was bolt boy. The rest are objectively trash. Nobody wants them. Even strange ones are worthless.

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>>385285191
>>engis can't do shit now
That's bullshit, the Sentry has always been intended as an area denial tool (being anything more than that would be retarded since it's an AIMBOT and does not take skill) and it's still an area denial tool
>soldiers and demos are OP now
Soldier, Demo, Sniper, and Scout are the balanced core of the game, as the majority of classes closest to each other balance-wise
Things that are weaker than them are UP, things that are stronger than them are OP, they are the balanced ones
>>other ridiculous stat changes that had no reason to be changed
Yes, the Bison change was fucking dumb, but most of the changes make sense if you're actually good at the game and play it a lot

>people on /v/ trying to talk about balance who have 100 hours or less in the game and have never once played a serious match

>>385294756
>implying it's TF2 "fans"
did you forget this is an anonymous board

They refused to nerf the Soldier class.

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>>385296993
stock Soldier doesn't need a nerf

What makes something overpowered is whether it's higher tier or lower tier than the tier with the most characters on it, because balancing around that tier takes the least effort

TF2's tiers work like this
S: Medic
A: Defensive Heavy and Engie
B: Soldier, Scout, Sniper, Demo
C: Offensive Heavy and Engie
D: Spy, Pyro

As you can see the biggest tier is B, therefore you balance your game around tier B (nerf Medic and defensive Engie/Heavy, buff Pyro, Spy, and offensive Engie/Heavy) to make the game balanced in the minimum effort

>>385296993
That's because soldier is the core of the game. Team Fortress 2 is still a Quake mod at its core, the rocket man will always be strong. He doesn't need to be nerfed, other classes need to be buffed

>>385297570
That shit is kind of crazy to think about.

Team Fortress 2, Half life 2, Portal 1+2, Dota, etc has some kind of Quake left overs.

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>>385297667
yeah man

>>385269147
TF2 team isn't big enough to fix it.

>>385269147
>matchmaking and it's shitty nerfs and buffs...

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>playing Pyro on Barnblitz just now
>kill a DR Spy with the Scorch Shot
>"WM1 noob"
>call him a retard
>kill each other a few times during the match
>after an unrelated death see a teammate appear out of nowhere during the respawn wallhack
>bait him into following me
>do a 360 and kill him
>"nice hack i report you"
>explain how I knew he was a Spy
>bursts into cyrillic

I really thought the shit with Russians and the verbatim "i report you" was just a meme.

>Soldier has TEN secondary weapons, eight of which are perfectly viable
>BLOOBLOOBLOO MUH BISON

>>385299293
>Panic Attack
>Mantreads
>Bison
None of these are viable.

>>385299523
>mantreads
Wait for next patch. The proposed changes look fun as fuck.

>>385299523
Panic attack is decent.

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STOCK OR ORIGINAL?

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>>385300319
original, so you can rename it to a dick joke

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HOLY SHIT HAPPENING

>>385269147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBrLwu2Lnb8

I'm trying to get better at tf2 to do lobbies amongst other things but the jump in skill required between publording playing in an actual 6's environment is fucking atrocious
MGE and jump maps are okay but they don't improve map awareness, dmixes are dead and soapDM servers here are all dead, plus if i just jump straight into a lobby i'll fuck everything up then i feel like shit
at least i have some mid/high level friends to help me out but hot damn it's fuckin' hard, it makes me wonder if it's even worth trying considering how much effort it take

>>385300319
>Stock
can fire around corners easier
Ctaps gain a bit more distance if done right
>Original
you'll never get fucked by projectile aim correction
consistent wall jumping on either side

>>385300695
>complaining about Sandman nerfs
Hi pubshitter

>>385300885
keep trying bro we're all gonna make it
have you considered being a ringer

>>385287596
you mean they dumbed down an already watered down arena shooter so timmy the hanzo main could feel good about himself after pressing q in front of a wall.

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>>385300695
>complaining about the sandman nerf
shitter detected

>>385303212
It's simply not a thing that should have ever been made. Stun mechanics don't belong in FPS.

>>385302982
what's that?

>>385303212
EVERYONE hates the sandman sun

It's not 2008 anymore, a good scout can easily take out a heavy with a scattergun alone
Now all it does is lead to cheap deaths that you can't fight your way out of
It's 90% luck that leads to a cheap kill for a scout you can't fight back against