Can asymmetrical multiplayer work? Discuss.

What the hell is "asymmetrical multiplayer"? Fuck off TotalBiscuit

Kinda, the thing that hurts asymmetrical games is the fact that having a dumb/new/cyka teammate can hurt you more then the actual threat, especially if the devs though friendly fire was a fun idea, Gun Media.

Sure, but it will never be balanced.

>>385187342
Yes. All the attempts thus far have suffered from a few of the same errors
>not enough base content
Pretty self explanatory. After playing x amount of hours, the same 3 or 4 maps with the same small pool of characters gets old.
>some balancing issues between the team of 1 and the others
Even though it is supposed to be unbalanced to an extent, there are some things that are still blatantly underpowered/overpowered
>one side is more fun than the other
While it's subjective, it seems more people want to play as the big bad guy more, which leads to people leaving or not enjoying the game when they're not chosen to be the "boss". It's important to make playing as the humans just as fun/engaging.

They only work so far as people are committed to roleplaying. These games are insufferable against players actually trying to win. In Evolve you had monsters that would just immediately kill your whole team instead of going out to look for food and you had games where you'd just chase it in a circle for 30 minutes. Dead by Daylight for most of its life was super lame to play as the monster between infinite invincibility, getting caught up on terrain everywhere, and outrageously overpowered survivor skills.

yes

juggernaut in halo

also it will help if the devs arent head up ass bleeding heart nucucks

>>385187342
It could ten or fifteen years ago, but the Pewdiepie generation lacks basic social skills and the idea of silent lonewolf is more popular than ever. Why did parents stop taking their kids to little league?

L4d series did it

Island Defense in WC3 made it work.

>>385187958
Playing as survivor is always dumb for one reason

>play big bad guy in team of one
>can wreck enemy solely on your own skill alone

>play as human in team of four
>have to rely on cykas

>>385188293
Your mistake is thinking people want to socialize when killing time and relaxing by a video game.

>>385187342
I think it can only when you can screw over everyone else to live. Otherwise no.

>>385187342
What the fuck does "asymmetrical multiplayer" even mean?
Different number of players on each side?
Different units on each side?
Something else?

>>385188660
Socializing is a thing you do to relax and kill time you asocial fuckwad.

>>385188795
why dont you use your thinker for once in your life you fucking dunce

Was Natural Selection "asymmetrical multiplayer"?
I fucking hated playing as the aliens. In the mod i would always camp in the spawnroom until i could play as the frontiersmen.
That's why i refuse to play NS2, too.

>>385188795
unbelievable i have to share this board with literal retarded people

>>385188479
True, I feel like that's a trend with a lot of games now a days like Overwatch where even your god like skill alone can't win games if you're paired with fucking retards and children.

>>385187342
Yes but ONLY if the developers literally don't listen to the players. Both sides will bitch endlessly about the other and if they side with the most vocal group you get what happened to Dead by Daylight where the game doesn't ever work how its supposed to anymore.

>>385187463
Multiple teams with different abilities/powers, goals and objects some times at odds with each other but not always. One group is trying to do X and the other is trying to do Y. Its not that hard of a concept.

>>385187463
One player is a Juggernaut and multiple people have to take them down

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>>385189006
>hurrdurr
Counter Strike is asymmetrical multiplayer according to wikipedia. I assume that is because the teams have different objectives. This would make Overwatch asymmetrical multiplayer too, along with basically anything that isn't team deathmatch

>>385189292
stop being obtuse, all the information you need to answer your question is in the OP

>>385189292

Holy shit. Stop being a pedantic fuck. You know exactly what is meant by asymmetric multiplayer games.

>>385188807
This. Is everyone so autistic that they think socializing is hard work?

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>>385189446
Define asymmetrical multiplayer to me then because it is clearly not being used properly

>>385189618
multiplayer game with asymmetry

>>385189724
So almost every multiplayer game with game modes other than TDM or DM

>>385189618
One big bad guy vs x amount of weaklings

>>385189618

Are you literally fucking retarded? Just stop posting.

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>>385189618
how about you gtfo you shitposting baitfag

>>385187342
Yes.
See: DbD.

>>385188969
>hating on ayys

Ur just shit m8, skulks were tight as fuck

Spies vs Mercenaries proves that it works

>>385190135
>DbD
>good
I'm surprised anyone can have this opinion after sab-jake singlehandedly ruined the game for both sides

>>385190057
>phrase that can describe almost every multiplayer game made
You have to define what it actually means if you want anyone else to use it for what you think it means

>>385187342
Fat Kid is the only option

>>385189119
That's completely off the mark, it means one team has more players than the other. Hence "asymmetrical". You really need to refrain from posting as much as possible.

>>385190423
Then it should be asymmetrical team size or ATS for short, not asymmetrical multiplayer

>>385190423
>That's completely off the mark

Not it isn't. Asymmetrical multiplayer simply means one team has dis/advantages that the other does not, either due to weapons, abilities or various other mechanics, or because of the map design. Team size may or may not have anything to do with it, but it's not an inherent factor.

Wolfenstein ET and Brink are examples of asymmetrical multiplayer due to the map, while everyone has access to the same weaponry. AvP2 is an example of asymmetrical multiplayer due to each race having vastly different arsenals and capabilities, while playing on mirrored maps.

Most asymmetrical multiplayer games can be said to fit into these general descriptions, but there are exceptions.

>>385190547
But they're both asymmetrical

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>>385190918
So is callofdoody asymmetrical?
>Team A's goal: Kill Team B
>Team B's goal: Kill Team A
Hard mode: is rainbow 6 siege assymetrivial?

>nobody in the thread can even agree on what "asymmetrical multiplayer" is
We can all agree it's a useless phrase

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>>385187342
Absolutely. Game just has to not suck on a more basic level. You also have to understand they will inherently have a lower appeal because they're not as straightforward as "re-skinned factions shooting at each other" you usually get in MP.

>>385188145
That's not really the spirit of what op means. Juggernaut is an FFA game type. The asymmetrical multiplayer in halo is invasion. That said it worked.

Another example of asymmetric multiplayer that works is NS2, but it's not very balanced.

Sure can
I enjoyed the hell out of primal carnage depth and nosgoth when it was still up even if it shit all over LoK

>>385189267
It's not that. Even Starcraft and can go are asymmetric multiplayer. It just means that the two or more sets of players are given different objectives and different tools to complete them.

>>385191563
I've always considered it to be a team/faction based game where the two sides play vastly different like the games I mentioned here>>385191758
I guess left 4 dead would be the normalfag example

>>385187342
It worked in L4D. I guess.

>>385191731
>Another example of asymmetric multiplayer that works is NS2
Not according to this guy >>385190423

>>385191552
Some cod game types are like S and D. Rainbow 6 is asymmetrical.

>>385190146
>He doesn't understand the pure kino of jetpacking around, cluster grenading a crowded hive

The sheer amount of blue numbers are glorious. Exos and the shotgun are also kino. Only alien form I enjoy is the lurk, Melee is abbot I satisfying and I don't like to be a hippo.

>>385192032
that guy is a retard

>>385192032
Everyone replying to him is disagreeing, he clearly is misinformed/baiting.

At the end of the day though, even with his definition, non FFA game types with different team sizes like Halo or Cod's infection are loved by many.

Natural Selection clearly did this the best. I don't know about NS2 since it ran like shit for me when I tried and it doesn't even have bunnyhopping which was like 50% of the fun in the game for me

>>385191552
If the team objectives are different, then yes it is. Team deatmatch isn't asymmetrical objectively since the goals are the same: kill the opposing teams and get higher team score

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Works in Rainbow Six Siege, so yes

Work in :

Counter Strike
lot of FPS game modes
lot of warcraft 3 mods
L4D

It doesn't work when the balance is shit :

Evolve
DBD
FT13

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>>385192980
man, this really reminds me of the division.

any chance this is in NYC?

>>385193312
Nah that's the cafe Dostoyevsky probably. I hope you don't actually think KT was a real picture, do you think people went to the moon too?

>>385189994
Pretty much.

You mean like one side attacks and the other defends, and the map isn't symmetric? Sure, it already does work in plenty of games.

>>385193627
what do you mean with KT, and what are you projecting on me exactly?

I'm just talking about the looks of the picture you posted.

>>385193312
It's Cafe Pushkin in Moscow

Yes but any multiplayer game that isn't casual baby shit dies off within a couple of months anyway because modern gamers have potato attention spans.

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>>385191552
>So is callofdoody asymmetrical?

Certain game modes are, yeah.

>is rainbow 6 siege assymetrivial?

It's a perfect example of it. Why are you even asking this?

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>>385193929
KT was a typo I meant "it".

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>>385194463
Because I knew those were the perfect examples to clear this shit up. You're welcome everyone

>>385194604
That's a very interesting picture, could someone explain what common co--- is and why it's useful? I never learned that. Seems like it would just confuse people trying to solve equations.

>Can asymmetrical multiplayer work?
Let's see
>Evolve
Dead
>Friday 13th
Dead
>Natural Selection 2
Dead
>Nosgoth
Dead
>Dead by daylight
Alive
>Depth
Somewhat alive
>Left 4 Dead 2
Alive

The thing is, it's hard to balance asymmetrical teams. One wrong decision and your game is fucked beyond repair and the playerbase is leaving to play some brainless battle-royal game. Even L4D2 requires competitive configs and servers in order to be balanced and enjoyable.

>>385196116
common core is a way to do equations
for example 20/ 5 (2*2) = 20/5 (4) = 4(4) = 16
in this case it is do the parenthesis first and then read right to left
the other way has it set up like

20
___
5(2*2)

in which you would do the equation like it is shown 2*2 = 4 5 *4 = 20 20/20 = 1
but that is my understanding of it from 3 seconds of google.

>>385196804
I mean read left to right. I need some sleep. >>385196116

>>385196330
To be fair nosgoth got axed by squeenix
It was doing "ok" before it ended with a couple hundred people on consistently

>>385196330
>Payday 2
Alive

DLCS out the ass

>>385187342
As soon as people stop being so overly concerned with balance, not every game needs to be an esport.

It CAN work, yes.

The issue is that everybody prefers to be on one side or the other. Being forced to spend a significant amount of time on the one you like less means that inevitably "my less favorite one but this is okay too" becomes "oh boy here we go again" becomes "jesus fucking christ this AGAIN?"

Also have to keep in mind that asymmetrical games mostly favor long-form matches. 1v4 isn't very fun when you get instagibbed, no matter which side you're on.

>>385196804
But that begs the question why not just write the equation the normal way? You have to go and specifically write it in the common core way. Unless common core is some type of quantum.

>>385187342
CS works, so yes.