WHAT WENT SO WRONG?

should have ended at 3 desu

>>385180084
Shitty campaign, the multiplayers was above the average, but the campaign? omg, they even left the story in a cliffhanger;

>>385180084
Well I'm too lazy today I don't wanna use english. fuck it.

Halo is like a religion in Mexico you know?

Lo primero es que se pasaron por el culo la campaña la epicidad que tuvieron todos los juegos de Bungie se transformo en un mero tramite de 5 horas aburrido, lo segundo es que eliminaron el co-operativo local y lo tercero es que el multijugador adquiero todo el cáncer de los F2P.

Halo Reach es el mejor Halo, el mejor trabajo de Bungie a la fecha y a lo máximo que pudo apuntar toda la saga con los años de experiencia que adquirió la compañía que la vio nacer.

We tell you every fucking thread; 343. Alternatively, the problems showed with Reach in that Halo was now adopting popular trends instead of setting them but 4 and 5 only prove that point further.

>>385180550
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>>385180550

>Halo is like a religion in Mexico you know?

Halo and Gears of War.

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Reach was the peak of Spartan Armor

>>385180835
I unironically like both the anime armor of 4 and pouch-dependent armor of Reach. Halo 5 armor can go suck a dick though, a bajillion bloated variations of the same shit. Do you want it with stripes, a dot, multiple dots, or solid?

Campaign, microtransactions, lack of originality, not living up to the name sake, warzone, no new enemies or unique weapons, lack of split screen.

Split screen was the real nail in the coffin for me.

>>385180084
the main "antagonist" (secondary character) is black

>>385180084
Never played a Halo game
Considering buying an xbone for this an mcc

>>385180084
THIS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2k6sk4MSuk

premature birth
competitive out the ass, no casual modes, no matchmaking restrictions (till 600+ days later), achillesfags, cosmetic unlock system, microtransactions out the ass, region select not in from launch outright killing modes (outside of NA), no dedicated lobbies

>>385180084
Everything about the campaign
The multiplayer at launch
The UI
I wish Halo would go back to the ambient horror that CE and parts of Halo 2/3 had. Reach was all military grit, ODST was noir (though I'll take more ODST-quality campaigns any day), 4 was space opera, and 5 was some Marvel movie trash.

>>385180084
It was a game triliogy that went beyond the third game. Same thing happened to Assassin's creed

>>385181442

MCC could have been so good but it launched broken and they still haven't got it to acceptable performance, I'm still mad.

>>385180084
Redpill. The series was never good. Bonus redpill. Bungie has never made a good game.

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>>385180305
>>385180084

This is one subject that I'll never be swayed on, no matter how factually or canonically wrong I may be. (also it's been forever since I've played Halo so forgive the omissions and errors)

In Reach, the last of the spartans sacrificed themselves to complete their mission, and despite Reach being completely lost; their mission had been completed. 117 and Cortana continued the fight against the covenant until their civil war and beyond. He had slain their prophets, he had destroyed the superweapons and put an end to the covenant threat. Although a shell of it's former self, humanity was victorious, and would survive to thrive and continue along it's destiny, for better or for worse.

Like the spartans before him, John 117 was a martyr. It's been said elsewhere in the canon iirc, but Spartans don't get heroes welcomes. They weren't even acknowledged as human casualties until after the war; they're just seen as soulless killing machines.To bring up Reach again, Noble Six died a heroes death. With his mission completed, he didn't have to fight. He could have seeked shelter, hidden from the covenant on the off-chance that someone came back for him, looked for survivors, hunkered down and held out as long as possible. The last goal of Reach was "SURVIVE". The player/Noble Six purposely disregards that objective, instead fighting and killing as many elites as they could until they were granted the heroes death they deserved. Also remember that Noble Six wasn't half the hero that the Master Chief was.

It's why I find the tagline to Halo 3 so poignant.

>FINISH THE FIGHT.

He finished his fight and died on the remains of Forward Unto Dawn as it burned up in the atmosphere of the mystery planet it eventually drifted into. John's story came full circle, ending right where it started; in a stasis pod.

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>>385185114
Even his last words were a testament to the kind of soldier he was. "Wake me when you need me." Despite his war being won, he would be ready for the next one, and the one after that; but nothing can last forever. Every story needs an ending, and this was his. Cortana knew what she was saying when she said "I'll miss you."

Halo 4, 5 and 6 are fanfiction.

I can't stand the Prometheans or any of those "Super Advanced Robots with technology that borders on magic" type factions.
They're done to death and they're almost never fun to fight. Even after you kill them all you get is some glitter and maybe a piece of its ass-plate or something.

>>385184576
I'm still waiting on them to fix the de-sync bug so I can finish the fucking co-op campaigns.

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>>385187021
>Piece of it's ass-plate

Pic related.

>>385187301
I never got that far in that game. Were they annoying to fight or just goofy death ass-plates?

>best Halo mutliplayer since Halo 2
>wrong

>>385187508
They're only annoying to fight because they aren't like fighting guards or witches. The game gives you plenty of ways to kill them both loud and quiet, you just have to learn how to utilize them.

But when they die, literally all they drop is a numbered plate or some bullshit.

>>385180550
Not trying to be racist, but your countrymen is the reason why reach is unplayable.

>shit ping hosts
>every other game one of you gets assblasted and teamkills for a power weapon/vehicle

>no co-op splitscreen
Normally companies are supposed to be less brazen about their hatred for the IP and everything it stood for

>>385187718
Come to think of it, I did a high chaos run and during one mission where there were like three of them in one heavily-guarded area, decapitating them removes their optical sensors so they attack anything that makes noise. Theyd end up roaming around slaughtering civillians, guards, and other clockwork soliders alike without even needing a rewire tool to get them going.

>>385184576
Does campaign run smoothly at least. At least one of them??????

>>385181656
I mean, it's an interesting point, but the loss of the Military aspect if pretty minor in comparison to the unlikable characters, terrible plot, and lack of player agency when confronting arc villains.

>>385180676
le this

Bungie can't be forgiven for shitting on the series after H3, and microsoft just had to keep the corpse of a series going to compete with cod

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>>385185114
>ending right where it began; in a stasis pod
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>>385187940
I need to pick it up when it goes on sale, sounds neat other than ass-plate.

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>>385186230
>Halo 4, 5 and 6 are fanfiction.
>and 6
I'm sorry what? There's another one?

>>385181656
This is gold, holy shit. I never realised this until recently since I never got into the new games.

>>385186230
Yeah I could never put a finger on why Halo 4/5 stories felt so off, but that's exactly it. It's a fanfic (a well done one, but still a fanfic). This is why 343 keeps inserting characters that feel out of place like Palmer/Locke etc and random shit like the didact(who is somehow alive after firing the halos?) and the guardians.

>>385187960
I'd say the majority of complaints come from those interested in the multiplayer. I just started the halo 2 remaster and the graphics in cut scenes are just unreal

>>385187960
>>385188928

Yes but there's no 4 player coop like a lot of people hoped. If you're laying with only one friend though, it's just as kino as ever.

>>385180084
Locke and Osiris

>>385180676
>>385188113
These, fuck Bungie

>>385181656
I can't stress enough how much sense this video makes. It puts into words what I've never realized until now, but its 100% correct.

>>385188160
I was tearing up writing that whole thing. The Halo series was my childhood, and it will always hold a special place in my heart. Despite that, I haven't bothered to even watch gameplay for Halo 5, let alone play it. I only got halfway through Halo 4 even. It really speaks volumes.

>>385180835
>WE EVANGELION NOW
Fucking weebs in 343s art department.

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>>385185114
>>385186230
i didnt need these feels

>>385180084
The multiplayer, and especially forge, is about as good as it's ever been, arguably the best (forge is objectively the best).

The main game was ruined by diversity. I love the old novels, and was thrilled to finally see some of those characters, only to have them take a back seat to a bunch of characters I don't care about and Nathan Fillion. I don't mind Cortana going crazy; that was inevitable and implied since Halo 2. I personally am ready for them to screw the focus on alien scifi and focus on the evil part of humanity that created the Spartans in the first place. ONI needs to be the enemy.

Seeing how they are finally getting their shit together with the campaign for Halo 6, they got my interest again with the focus returning to Chief, split screen returning, and lan returning. I want to see what they will do with Halo 6 because 343 has a lot ground to fix and they need to rebuild their relationship with the fans because Halo 5's campaign was a disaster;let's see how this new writer fares.

>>385190037
Halo was always anime

>>385181656
>ActMan
My nigger. His Halo 5 campaign video is pretty good too https://youtu.be/Rwwyb_5jJHc . Hopefully him, LNG, and Favyn being invited to 343 a couple months ago signals 343 is actually learning, but I doubt it.

>>385181656
>no desperate final stand feeling
>900+ spartans all running around
4 and 5 was a mistake

>>385190427
>LNG
>he doesn't know

>>385181656
I agree and disagree, Halo being military was always the worst part of the series I'm looking at you ODST and Reach, but he is dead on with the Covenant designs. Also Halo has never been gritty only the shit from Bungie that came after Halo 1-3. I agree with everything that isn't military because the moment Halo because that (ODST and Reach) was the moment I almost dropped the series. Halo was liked because it was "military", it was liked because it had a fun storyline and took cues from Aliens, Predator, and Starship Troopers.

>>385190948
*wasn't "military"

>Art design
>soundtrack
>singleplayer

That's about it. Everything else: The MP, customs, forge, etc, is all top tier.

>>385180676
That's not nesscarily a bad thing. Innovation just for the sake of innovation isn't gonna do any good. Unlike 4 and reach, 5 actually implements those trends in a good way that meshes well with the core of Halo

>>385190037
literally has nothing in common with evangelion

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>>385193003
>

>>385193843
other than a horn there is nothing in common with any eva

stop spouting this shit, you know nothing about design

>>385190627
About what? Other than that he's clearly pretty autistic.

>>385193881
>other than a horn there is nothing in common with any eva
Other than that it looks like trash and Halo 4s story is almost as stupid as Evas

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>WHAT WENT SO WRONG?

This right here.

>>385194047
If you don't like EVA you have shit taste, period.

>>385194278
poor grunty
that looks even more uncomfortable than their normal suits

>>385194281
>DUDE POINTLESS RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM LMAO
k

>>385194278
But Staten still voiced them, or at least one of them, in 5.

>>385194430
>thinking the show had anything to do with religion
retard alert

>>385194383

They literally look like a fish outta water desperately gasping for air. I ain't no biologist or nothing either but how does the gas mask make sense when it's only attached to the nose?

>>385194520
they might not breath with their mouth at all

>>385194507
>Doesn't even have 3rd grade level reading comprehension
>Calls others retards
K

>>385194612
you wouldn't have brought it up if you didn't think it had anything to do with the quality of the show

Mary sue Spartans on a mary sue starship team up with a mary sue alien to defeat THE ANCIENT EVIL.

>>385194594

Wouldn't it just be easier to have the original ones that covered both their mouths and nose though? It just seems like a very unnecessary change when the original worked just as well.

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>>385194520
It doesn't make much sense for them to wear it that way. The old grunts had them wearing their breathing masks like a person would wear a gas mask.

>>385194278
All the redesigns were unnecessary crap and done just to sell new toys. From the Covies to the weapons/armor right up to the spaceships.

>"Chiefs armor is different even though he was frozen in a pod because nanomachines, son"
Sad!

>>385194759
Yeah, because it does. They shoved in a bunch of pointless religious symbolism and biblical references which have no place or impact in a story about a bunch of emo retards in giant robots. Basically the fucking Man Of Steel of anime.

>>385195025
>shinji was emo
>too retarded to understand what eva is even about

>>385195306
>Y-you just don't understand it!
There isn't anything to understand. It's a basic as fuck story that retards like you like to pretend is difficult or deep. Evafags are like the retards on /mu/ pretending Death Grips lyrics are 2deep4u.

>>385195642
Its not deep, you're just too retarded to understand the basic theme

maybe you should try not being 14

>>385181656
No offense but what the hell is Ant man's deal with having to constantly mention ODST and Reach. They are Bungie's worst Halo games and lea to the direction of Halo 4 and 5. As far I can tell ODST and Reach never happened.

>>385195816
Of course i dont understand the theme, its in Japanese you retard.

>>385196024
*lead

>>385195816
None of the shit about social anxiety, depression, alienation, parental relations, or identity is hard to understand as its about as subtle as a mack truck. Too bad anno cant write or direct for shit and as suck Shinji comes off as an emo fag and Asuka is just a cunt.

lack of vision.

>>385196024
>ODST

ODST was better than Halo 3. Halo 1 > H2 > ODST in that order. H3 and Reach never happened.

>>385196024
>ODST and Reach are bad
Wrong. Reach multiplayer is shit though.

>>385180084
>>385181656
Halo wasn't originally a military shooter though, it was a campy 80s space opera.

>>385196359
>>385196453
Your opinions, both shit the bed for me, and after that I blacklisted Bungie and for good reason too. Their games got even worse after that. Those guys that left after Halo 1-3 really hurt that studio.

>>385185114
Why would the Chief die entering a planet's atmosphere when he did just that with even less protection at the beginning of the game?

>>385186230
>Cortana knew what she was saying when she said "I'll miss you."
She was on the verge of going rampant, she was the one who was never supposed to survive.

Halo 3 should've been the end but I think you're taking the whole thing a little too far.

>>385180305
More than anything I hate how the later games and MCC killed the community for 3. I would give just about anything to have H3 matchmaking and custom game nights back.

>>385196646
Yes, but it is clearly inspired by Starship Troopers and it's militaristic themes. he first game even starts with a Sargeant giving a speech to his company.

>>385196359
Without 3 you would never have gotten ODST though

>>385196646

Agreed. The big problem is they went too far into trying to be a military shooter.

Original Halo great because it was a knock off a great James Cameron movie, Alien. They should have kept it more like a horror adventure series rather then a rigid military shooter.

>>385196646
Thank you, Ant Man needs to shut the fuck up, we don't need another ODST and Reach, we need another Halo 1-3. I'm watching his Halo 4 campaign video right now and he says Halo was inspired by DOOM. Now I know he's full of shit. Halo was inspired by Aliens, Starship Troopers, and Predator, while it's AI was based off Halo's RTS background.

>>385194507
Is this bait?

>>385180084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qfx9eoB-88

Old Bungie vs. 343

>>385196989
He says halos gameplay was inspired by doom not its world dummy.

>>385197060
the religious shit was just for show, it's skin deep, as the real meat and potatoes of NGE was it's character interactions.

>>385196821
>Your opinions, both shit the bed for me, and after that I blacklisted Bungie and for good reason too. Their games got even worse after that. Those guys that left after Halo 1-3 really hurt that studio.

You're a newfag is you lumping in Halo 3 with Halo 2. Halo 3 took everything Halo 2 did wrong and made it even worse. I don't know any OG 2004 H2 players that kept playing H3 because it was inferior mechanically and map design wise in every way.

ODST was at least a breath of fresh air from the stateliness that was H3.

Bungie lost the good talent after H1.

>>385196989
Well, don't get me wrong I love ODST, it has great atmosphere and does retain some of the camp of the trilogy.
But like >>385196921 said, Halo is still a military shooter and should have military elements, but it should be as "NO FUN ALLOWED" as it's gotten.

Also The multiplayer should go back to being simple, skill based, symmetrical starts, arena goodness in the vain of quake, like originally intended.

>>385197183
I'm not arguing that, you just came off like you somehow missed the constant symbolism.

>>385197163
But it really wasn't, Halo was always its own thing. It's a FPS with TPA and RTS materials from its past development. Halo is nothing like old FPS you can compare Halo's mp all you want as well but even that was its own unique beast.

>>385180795
>play Gears of War 4
>entire enemy team has mexican flag emblem
>leave

>>385197232
Halo 2 & 3 are both too linear for their own good. ODST tried going back to a more open ended mission structure but messed it up. We need more missions like Halo and Silent Cartographer and less missions like Tsavo Highway.

>>385197232
>newfag
Mother fucker I started with Halo 1, ODST and Reach are shit, I think you;re the only newfag here. If you were an actual Halo veteran you would have known that Halo 1-3 were worked by mostly all the people that worked on Halo 1. ODST and Reach are the black sheeps because most of the devs were already gone then, even Marty was questioning why they put Marcus Lehto, Art Director as a the Project Lead for Reach.

>>385197314
But Halo was not a military shooter nor has it ever been, it was always a space opera. The moment when it started doing that (ODST and Reach) is when the series started going downhill. Halo 1-3 didn't feel like military games, they felt like an intergalactic adventure saving the galaxy and Earth from destruction.

>>385197681
*you're

>>385197389
It was in the way he explains in that video. Just like Doom every enemy in the original Halo has a certain set of behaviours that are predictable and are combined to make each encounter unique.

>>385197681
I know it was a space opera, I'm the one who brought that up, but it does take place in a military setting, it's like Starship Troopers, it is about the characters and the adventures, but the story, like the books along side the games have always been, is still based around military escapades, which can be fine, but not if they suck the fun out of it and try to make an extremely unrealistic scenario too realistic.

>>385197681
Military shooter doesn't mean just modern day. Starship Troopers is a military book despite being about guys in power armor shooting big bugs in space and it's still a military story.

Halo 5 is literally is the best competitive FPS on the market right now. Only thing that sucks is the campaign.

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>>385198241
>>385198321
Alright, I guess I can agree with these, but did he really needed to bring up COD?

>>385181442
If you arent a huge arena guy then its probably not worth it just for Warzone, but Warzone is great.

>>385189682

My favorite scene was chief being cucked.
Way to look out for the black fanbase bungie.

>>385194281
Fuck shinji and fuck eva.

>>385198668
Hardcore Arena needs to go back to no sprint, no advanced Titanfall movement and shit like that.
I'm fine with gamemodes like big team and invasion having powers and vehicles, but Arena should keep to the quake style.

>>385197681
>Mother fucker I started with Halo 1, ODST and Reach are shit, I think you;re the only newfag here. If you were an actual Halo veteran you would have known that Halo 1-3 were worked by mostly all the people that worked on Halo 1. ODST and Reach are the black sheeps because most of the devs were already gone then, even Marty was questioning why they put Marcus Lehto, Art Director as a the Project Lead for Reach.

There is a core H1 team in H2 and H3 but with each subsequent game some of those people left and new trash came in thanks to MS.

Great example of Frank O'Connor, who is currently running Halo into the ground at 343. He wasn't in H1 dev team, did bnet in H2 and was a writer by H3.

H2 was a clear turn for the worse and by H3 bungie had already run Halo into the ground. ODST was at least a breath of fresh air from the stagnation of H3 and felt more like H1. It's a shame that game didn't have MP as it would have been more fun than H3.

>>385198764
This. Keep that shit out of Campaign and arena. Sprint is fine with me in Big Team as having huge maps like Blood Gulch with slower movement can be a pain. Though they should honestly just make it a speed boost like Stim in TF2 instead.

What's the problem with Halo? Complicity.

Complicity.

Google it. Read the definition. Know what it means.

You have complicity.

You did this.

>>385199010
Halo 2 and 3 had the same damn team members that made Halo 1. After that, they only had a few veterans and the rest were new shits that are what is known as nuBungie today. Maybe you should read the Waypoint Vibe article about Halo 1-5's development also including ODST and Reach.

Halo Reach killed halo, 4 and 5 are jsut incompetent fuck ups from an incompetent company and their handling of MCC highlighted this

I think the main problem with Halo 5 is tht MLG is something that grew out of halo from the fanbase in 2 and 3. In 5, 343i designed the game to be catered for MLG from the start, forgetting about the rest of the fanbase. That, microtransactions and the god awful campaign

>>385180084
>What went wrong?
Halo 5: Guardians makes the Halo canon incorrigible. You can make better multiplayer. You can have good design and art. But canon damage leaves a stain.

>>385199209
>Halo 2 and 3 had the same damn team members that made Halo 1

That isn't accurate. I already mentioned Frankie. Another big example is Pete Parsons. Executive Producer of H2. He was nonexistent in H1 and worked at marketing for MS before joining bungie. Another example is the loss of Dan Orzulak who also worked as a game design on Goldneye N64, and that probably isn't surprising given how much Halo CE feels like goldeneye compared to H2. Then there is also the additional of all the MS "user testing" staff with H2 and H3.

>>385180084
The advertising being nothing like the fucking game for starters.

>Makes out Chief has done something so heinous that Locke is out to literally kill him
>Reality: Chief disobeyed a minor order and it's just a collection job to bring him back

>>385194993
>>385194278
The Halo 4 covenant weapon redesigns were actually good, the Halo 4/5 beam rifle outright fits into the covenant aeshetic better then the H2/3 one

Also, at least the Halo 4 grunt has the exoskeleton back on his arms and legs, fix it's face and give it the original armor back and it'd be good

>>385199926
The core team that worked on Halo 1 worked on Halo 2 and 3. Read that fucking Waypoint Vice article please

>>385197232
>>385196821
>>385196359
>>385197652
>>385197681
>>385190948
CE is the worst halo campaign outside of 4 and 5, and even 4 I would argue is better aside from the shit story

>barely any weapon and enemy variety
>reused textures and geometry out the ass
>wide open, empty ass areas that serve zero purpose other then padding
>barely any decorative or unique visuals to keep everything from looking samey
>no good sense of scale to environments
>last 3 levels are the first 3 backwards

It's absurdly repetitive. It's like Halo 2 bad arbiter missions, but for an entire game.

Regarding the space operea vs military sci fi stuff: The lore has always been a half hard/half soft military sci fi (though there are space operea and even cyperpunk elements in certain aspects, too), and the games were space opera with a military dressing.

I don't think unifying them as you saw in ODST and Reach was a bad move, personally, but what 4 and 5 did tonally was.

>>385200478
Halo 1 was great, ODST and Reach had the worst campaigns in my opinion, and that includes Halo 4 and 5.

1 - Reach are all good (Though each game shits the bed a little somewhere, like 3's slowdown with Cortana/Gravemind)

>>385200478
What's your favorite Halo?

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>>385180084
The story is fucked, prometheans are a fucking chore to fight and the designs are absolute garbage, we all know this, but have any of you listened to the soundtrack? I've just chanced upon it yesterday while listening to H2's soundtrack and it's fucking stellar. It has the style and consistency that was so badly missing from Halo 4. Davidge was really holding Kazuma back in that holy shit. I'd go so far as to say this shit is on the level of Marty's stuff from the earlier Halos, it's really fucking good.

>>385200478
Halo CE story had it's flaws but it was also the most memorable of the series. I can barely remember H2's campaign besides New Mombasa and H3 was a blur.

Gameplay was arguably the best in CE as well.

>>385190427
Favyn seems pretty autistic. Like one day he is going to say or do something retarded and defend it like a spa then no one is going to accossiate with him again

>>385180524
The story was so forgettable that I forgot there even was a cliffhanger

>>385180084
SJW pandering