Kids Today Less Able To Finish Video Games

>>385175570
the generation before us is, saying the same about usjust not about something as useless as vidya

>>385175570
Its not that they're dumber, its that their attention span that is much lower.

>>385176458
this
Thank smart phones

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>>385176559
yes beacuse before smart phones all kids had such an amazing attention span

If a game's hard difficulty doesn't make you struggle to complete it it's not a good hard mode.
Thus it's named "hard difficulty"
Take your nostalgia goggles off. You weren't much different back then. Quit acting all old and wise, and stop playing video games if you refer to 20 year Olds as kids

>bunch of fucking cucks who would rather watch someone play a brand new game than play it themselves
>they suck shit at video games
WOAH it's like........it's like the new testament man it's like a raging inferno haha.

>>385176559
Was gonna blame PlayStation for dumbing down games and making them cinematic and easier. But phones and tablets have done damage too

>>385175570
that isnt a kid

That streamer's whole gimmick is that he gets autistically mad at things. His fanbase eats it up.

>>385176734
Not at all, but the introduction of them certainly didnt help.

You guys are pathetic
"Kids these days... back in my day (1995) we would beat games like crash bandicoot in the blink of an eye... it's them damn smart phones..."

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>>385176882
That's 50% of all streamers' gimmick. The only 50% just act wacky.

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Gamers only played the SP in games before because they had no choice. Now that online MP is technologically possible and prevalent, only the most virginal of nerds still fuck with SP.

>>385176835
he acts worse than a kid.

Name me 1 (one) game that is fun to play on hard difficulty

>>385176882
>>385176996
Tyler is pretty unique desu .His randomness is much higher than your average streamer .

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I have a theory about this that it's that (((they))) gave us all ADD and intentionally make games too easy now so you beat it quickly and buy (((their))) next game.

They're (probably) not dumb, just lazy.

>>385177294
Total War Shogun 2

>>385176734
Adults and kids have had their attention spans severely reduced thanks to constant phone use. This isn't about "in my day blah blah things were better blah" it's just a fact.

I beat way more games these days than I did as a kid.

I don't think kids/teens even play single player games anymore.

>>385177473
>This isn't about "in my day blah blah things were better blah" it's just a fact.
But what you just said about phones LITERALLY proves back in the day, things were better

>>385175570
>What went wrong? Why are kids today so much dumber than we were back then?
more kids are playing and previous generations were more into the game while today a bunch of kids came for Just Dance

No one cares

>>385177294
Doom
Age of empires
Bayonetta
Nudoom
Witcher 3
Stalker

That's not it. Its because God of war fucking sucks

>>385177157

According to PSNProfiles, roughly 39% of people have won at least 5 matches in multiplayer (Dominion.) Comparatively, 28% have completed the entire single player campaign (Operation Blood Storm.)

https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5516-call-of-duty-infinite-warfare

>>385175570
>complaining about Tyler1

Nigga is an ultra casual who only played league until recently

>>385177756
>comparing 5 matches, about 40 minutes of gameplay, to a 5 hour story

For what purpose

>>385175570
The reason for that is that in the 90's we got one game for our birthdays that cost 90 fucking dollars (in 90's dollars, that's like 140 bucks in current day money). And games were all BULLSHIT back then, because they were so fucking short. You could beat a game like Super Ghouls n Ghosts in 30 minutes if you were actually good, but good fucking luck with that one, 7 year old Timmy. Die? You fucking suck. Die 100 times? Well good fucking luck on the 101st try! Want to play another game? Too fucking bad, the internet doesn't exist and you have no fucking money. Now a days a game doesn't entrall and instantly reward you in the first 15 seconds of playing it you can turn it off and download Human Psyche Abuse Microtransaction Simulator #432423 on your device that's connected to the internet at literally all times that you have with you everywhere you go. People don't make games for people who want actual games any more, they want instant gratification

Also God of mash Square is even the casual version of like DMC series, so that's extra sad

>>385175570
they just have higher standards

>>385177563
I'm just saying I'm not arguing from a sense of nostalgia. At least I'm not trying to.

Back in the day games were tedious as fuck, which took away from the fun.
Nowadays games are less tedious (hard to you old people) thus making them "easier"

>>385177905
>Also God of mash Square is even the casual version of like DMC series, so that's extra sad
He was and is getting stuck more at the puzzle areas that require him to think.

>>385178049
/thread

>>385175570
Are you saying other generations did not struggle in any game ever

>>385178049
I know you are joking but its sad that comments like that are made unironically on places like youtube and facebook

>>385178306
>I know you are joking but its sad that comments like that are made unironically on places like youtube and facebook
Boy starting the game over after losing sure was fun

>>385175570

He's gonna lose his shit when he gets to Hades.

>>385177345
you mean his embrace of overacting is much more comfortable than average. you have to be pretty dumb to think it isn't forced

>>385178383
Lol you realize rogue"lites" are all the rage these days right

It's true. I have an 7 year old nephew who introduced REAL video games to the other day. I had him learn to play the original super Mario nes for starters and he can't beat the second level. What's worse is that he throws a fit and cries because he can't beat it.

I keep telling him the only thing video games really teach you is to never give up and learn from your mistakes so you can progress further. Instead he's always telling me to play so he can watch me because it's more fun he claims...

Did let's plays and simplistic instant gratification iOS games do this to these kids? I think so

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>>385175570
That kid may be struggling with GoW1 but you're a grown ass man watching him play video games.

Games have become easier and are made in a way that allows more people to play them, thus more people buy them. Since kids typically get into vidya through current gen games, they're started off with easier ones and are never pushed like you would've been if you started during the arcade/NES era.

Kids aren't dumb, it's just that games don't require as much skill these days. So when younger generations go back to older games, naturally the challenge doesn't match what they're used to and they struggle. Look at something like Dark Souls. It's often said to be this incredibly difficulty and unforgiving game, when it's piss easy compared to older games. Hell, you could even look at broad game mechanics. Most games don't even have a real game over system anymore. With autosaving, checkpoints, and sometimes even a total lack of fail states, many games don't actually punish players much for losing. In the past, you'd have to start entire levels over if not entire games if you lost all your lives or something. Kids aren't dumb, they're just not challenged to improve and think about what they're doing as much as in the past.

modern games are shit

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>>385178608
Logical fallacy

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>>385178383
>That fist pumping moment of vindication when after so many restarts you finally clear the game

Yes indeed, Megaman was a better game for having finite lives

Old games are hard because of poor design and technological limitations. They were never the intentions of developers

>>385178551
>Kid spends most of his time playing casual or simplified games where losing either causes a small loading screen or just places you a small distance away from where you were
>Introduce kid to games where a single hit can knock you back to the start of a level
>With controls and gameplay mechanics that haven't been used in many games for a long time

Throwing a fit is ridiculous, but it's not surprising the kid has difficulty and gets frustrated easily. Games almost never actually punish a player for making mistakes these days. More importantly, games don't really encourage patience with the mechanics as much since most will give you shit like Easy mode, co-op, the ability to grind, or just hands you invincibility in some games. It's more of an issue with how games are these days and how they try to make sure everyone can play them, to the point of making them impossible to lose at. Raise a kid on stuff like that and of course they'll have issues adapting to older shit.

>>385176815
>Was gonna blame PlayStation for dumbing down games and making them cinematic and easier.

You're better off blaming nintendo for putting in a mode that plays the game for them.

I tried making my kid cousin gow 3 and he couldn't even mash fast enough to open doors

>>385179072
>Having limited lives that encourage you to be careful and not rely on checkpoints is bad design
>Having actual bosses at the end of levels that challenge the player as a final roadblock wasn't intended
>Having the freedom to make mistakes and actually mess up a character build or fail quests in older RPGs was due to technological limitations

Alrighty then anon.

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>>385177294
>not playing stalker on master

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>Brother lives a few doors down and his snot nosed brat of a kid sometimes pops in to Uncle Anons house
>he utterly and completely DEMANDS to play my hot shot gaming platforms.
>His dad is a poorfag who can only afford shit from a gen or two ago
>Agree on the condition that the kid works his way up to the current gen
>Sit him down infront of some Megaman, tell him he cant play anything beyond NES until he can beat Megaman 2
>Whiny bitchfit but ultimately relents
>Two weeks and thousands of screaming rage tears later he finally passes it
>Let him play whatever he wants from my idort master race collection
>A month or two passes and his dad complains to me that he's been getting in trouble at school for making fun of other kids for playing easymode bullshit.
>Proceed to introduce him to Demon's Souls

I sense a mixture of pride and shame in what I've created.

>>385177867

Now try reading what I responded to.

>>385179470
If that fucker really got through megaman 2, you should be proud of him. But did he get through megaman 1?

>>385175570
Depression, maybe? I can barely summon the energy to lay sideways on my couch and watch a full TV show most days, and actually finishing a game is very rare for me.

>>385179470
If that is true, then teach the kid to keep his powerlevel in check. Keep pushing him towards decent vidya, but don't make him into an elitist cunt.

>>385175570
>KIDS THESE DAYS

There've always been dumb kids. I was a dumb kid. Games that used to be incredibly difficult for me are now trivial. In fact I remember having a lot of trouble completing God of War 2's QTEs. Some people claim to be the opposite, they were great at games when they were young and are much worse now. It's not a matter of generation, it just varies from person to person.

>>385175570
Tyler1 is a fucking idiot in anything that does not involve math. If he can't apply numbers and equations, he's like a toothless man trying to eat corn on the cob to the point where he wouldn't even think to shave it off with a knife.

He is not a good representation of "kids today".

>>385179879
This. I almost never beat games when I was a kid. I would either get distracted or fed up with some harder part. For example, I know I started and got out of Midgar in FFVII like five times when I was younger, but never made it past that. Took me until I was a teenager to finally go back to some games and finish them. Now I can most likely finish pretty much any game I started, so long as I have the time.

Except for Dark Cloud. That game still haunts me. I don't think I'll ever finish that bullshit. Got up to the final dungeon like four times and still just never could find the patience/proper gear to just beat it.

>Kids today

Congratulations, you are old

>>385177294
Terraria.

>>385175570
back when?

>>385178383
>lose
>don't actually lose anything, can retry from the same spot
really makes you think

>>385175570
That's a kid? He looks fucking ancient

>>385177294
Any game with good gameplay. Dark Souls isn't good because it's hard, it's good because it's hard and has excellent combat. It makes you enjoy working to beat it, because the process of losing doesn't feel like a crappy waste of time. If I find myself enjoying the gameplay of a game, I max the difficulty. Otherwise I keep it on normal, or easy if a game's controls/combat are a broken mess.

>>385180864
race mixing

>>385180908
Dark Souls doesn't have a hard difficulty option

>>385177294
God Hand

>>385175893
fpbp

>>385175570

>kid
>tyler

Pick one.

>>385180908
>hard
>excellent combat
>Dark Souls
this is what's wrong with "gamers" today.

As a kid i hardly ever completed games let alone any of the sega games i played over at my cousins house

Kids just play vidya for fun and quick timewasting

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>>385175570
>>385175893
Middle-aged guy here.

Kids now suck at video games compared to you guys that grew up with the PlayStations, but you guys suck at video games compared to people back in the 80s. Kids used to be able to beat NES games like Mega Man no problem. I could beat that shit in 1 life, and that wasn't even considered impressive. Adults back then were playing stuff like pic related.

my 8 year old nephew couldn't even play yoshi's wooly world

also GoW is shit

>>385179470
Wait until you introduce him to /pol/. The ultimate vidya because it never ends.

>>385179470
this is hilarious

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>>385179470
You're doing god's work, anon.

>>385175570
They just have good taste, God of War is garbage.

>>385177294
Guitar Hero

Implying expert. Hard is a snoozefest.

>>385175570
the iq of new generations keeps going up according to the actual data, so it can't be because of raw intelligence. It's because of cellphones making people's attention spans shorter. the endgame of this and other factors such as the rise of micro-transactions is that all new AAA games will be multiplayer at some point.

>>385177756

>dominion

>>385181570
That's because you keep playing the limited number of games in your library back then. You'll git gud if you play them enough times.

>>385181570

The games kids were playing in the 80's weren't even hard though, they just had specific patterns and formulas you had to learn and once you figured it out you could beat the game every time.

Starcraft is hard (assuming you're trying to actually be competitive). Mega Man is just tedious.

>>385179470
kek

>>385183521
>the iq of new generations keeps going up according to the actual data
That's not true anymore

Read up on the Flynn effect - IQ test takers seemed to continuously get smarter from the 1880s to 1998 but for some reason 2004 saw a decline that is still underway

I couldn't beat any of the NES mario games as a kid. Mainly because of lack of saves and not knowing about most warp zones but still.
I guess kids nowadays do have less patience though, anything that's even slightly punishing is considered tedious.

>>>385183521
>385184437
IQ scores are always average 100. How do you not know that?

>>385184534
Differences are calculated by administering older obsolete tests to newer generations

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>>385184534
>IQ scores are always average 100

>>385178403
he is gonna shit his pants when he gets to the clones

>>385175570
I got god of war around release and I never beat the first one. Got really far, but had more interesting kid things going on. I did beat the second one though which I felt to be a much better game than the first though not as atmospheric.

God of War 1 sucks and isn't worth finishing. It wasn't when it came out and certainly isn't now.

>>385184761
why does this >105 meme still exist
the researchers themselves admitted that the only students they had sit the test were HD uni students

>>385175570
Kids shouldn't be playing God of War.

>>385184761
>Areas with little to no education have a higher IQ score based on tests designed for educated people
Wow who guess it. Intelligence is in service to the environment in which one lives. Stick a guy from America into subsaharan Africa and he'll die immediately. Stick a subsaharan African in America and he'll end up homeless. It's not hard to figure out.

>>385185472
He actually switched the difficulty to Easy now

>>385177756
You know, that's a real shame. Infinite warfare had a very visually impressive singleplayer campaign with a lot of fun weapons and gadgets to play with. Aside from the fighter ship missions I really enjoyed it.

>>385175570
>hooked up the old Nintendo mini classic (which I installed 700 games onto it)
>connect 2 controllers and tell my 11 year old nephew to help me finish a game
>launch Contra (input 30 lives code)
>Nephew basically wastes all his 30 lives in each stage and always ends up stealing all my lives as well.
>can't react fast enough to enemies that suddenly appear on screen, or fast enough to just duck when enemies fire.
>Nephew can't be arsed or doesnt have the attention span to finish single player games and only wants to play multiplayer games and loves watching lets plays.

loves to play Overwatch, Team Fortress 2, Call of Duty, Paladins.

Basically, if he isn't playing online against other people he doesn't enjoy vydia. and here I was expecting to inherit all my vydia collection to him.

>>385187235
He's actually so mad that he's going to unmod all the mods in his chat

>>385183262
EVEN FLOOOOOWWWW

THOUGHTS ARIVE LIKE BUTTERFLYYYYYYS

>>385187225
>Stick a guy from America into subsaharan Africa and he'll die immediately

from murder

look up rape and murder statistics in africa

>>385178410
yeah I know its forced and tyler 1 is pretty obvious . the mix of irony and him actually being retarded and loud is pretty fun to watch

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Work fucked my ability to pay attention long enough to care
>Work every day from 4pm-11am only getting a day off every so often
90% of games I play are paradox or xcom becuse i can pause it and play at my leasure. Of which i hardly get anywhere before restarting campaigns over abd over. And I always have something else on, I can't just play, either Netflix or some YouTube e-celebrity. Iv seen zero punctuation enough times iv memorized half the episodes.
Iv considerd just quitting games.

>>385175570
I cheated like a motherfucker in my old genesis games.

>>385179482
I think 8 or 9 was harder, the "kill all enemies" one. Sounds like it should be easy; totally isn't.

>>385189871
I know the feeling.

It's not necessarily about attention span though, it's just that certain games require a specific kind of focus. I need to be able to pause or take my time.

>>385177294
Prey reboot
Deus Ex HR and MD
Metroid Prime

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How many games did you actually beat when you were a kid? I spent more time replaying fun levels i still have some of those passwords memorized and less time worrying about how long until it was over

>>385176904
>THAT DANG TV MAKING PEOPLE STOOPID
Congrats, you are a dumbass.

>>385175570
instant gratification is a must nowadays

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>>385191119
This
>mfw playing the bank levels in Spider-Man 64

>>385181570
>Muh hard games
They weren't hard, they were badly designed then. Only a masochist would like a game that is supossed to be more tedious than fun.

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>>385179470
>playing podracing on a older's guy house when I was a kid because his mother and my mother were friends
Why did it felt so good?

>>385179470
>Demon Souls
He will be a casual shit like all souls players and it will be your fault.

Do you guys look at trophies where you can get a trophy for completing the first level and yet only like 30% of people that own the game have it? And every other trophy is much worse for later in the game, is it the same on steam? Why do people play games they only use for like an hour

>>385181570
>hard
You mean the forced pattern you had to follow otherwise you had no chance of winning the game. That just like the cancer meta on mobas and quasi-mobas.

>>385177614
>AoE hard
>fun

literally just trush/use archers and you instantly win

>>385187225
>based on tests designed for educated people
That's not how IQ tests work though, they require no knowledge to be applied, not even math or alphabetization. Being able to solve problems, even hard ones, that require no previous knowledge of a subject is what defines how intelligent a person is.

>>385179470
Things that never happened for 200 Trebek

Honestly, where on earth do people stop referring to their brother as "my brother" and start referring to him as "his dad" or "my nephew's father". Fuck off with this feeble "my wife's son" bullshit.

>>385191741
You just force him to play as deprived and tell him leveling will cause the save game to delete itself. Then whenever he leaves to go home you check the save, if he leveled his character you delete the save.
>hurr, souls games aren't hard
I wish the whole "prepare to die" meme hadn't been propagated by streamers so profusely, because this whole "souls games aren't hard, I didn't even nearly die once" is nothing but a contrarian response to that.

>>385181570
>Kids used to be able to beat NES games like Mega Man no problem. I could beat that shit in 1 life, and that wasn't even considered impressive


why would you lie on the internet, anon?

I was looking after some kids and decided to put on tetris for them to play. They didn't understand what to do.

>>385176734
They objectively did.
Now go to bed. School is tomorrow.

>>385176989
Pls tell me this is shopped..

>>385175893
>ruin economy
>"why are millenials killing ______?"

Can't wait for boomers to all drop dead

My family is visiting me and my cousin who's now 14 wanted to play some Halo CE. Had to drop the difficulty to normal and ask me to beat parts. Wanted to try coop on legendary and after dying a few times he seems to want to zone out and turn on skulls and shit and cheat. I just can't understand it because my friend and I the first time we played it was coop legendary we beat it the same day and it was hard as kids but we kept trying til we beat it. He enjoys it until it's hard and then gets bored and gives up. He gave up in halo 2 and 3 as well and even cod 4. I just don't understand how a game being a challenge puts people off.

>>385177294
Evry dmc game.

>>385193604
bad education

a lot of kids still like a good challenge

>>385177294
Torchlight
Diablo
Titan quest

>>385177392
I'm sure that's it

>>385178628
This is 100% right.
I wouldn't mind actually if all these kids would stop acting like
game knowledge = skill
Dark souls is a perfect example for this retardation.

Video games are shit nowadays . I myself wouldn't bother with it if it gave me a hard time AND irritated me.

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>>385175570>>385177563>>385192084>>>385177905
>"literally"

Shut the fuck up faglord. Oh my fucking god.

>>385193443
Why would you do something retarded like that? The game is boring, it was boring then. The only difference is that back then we had the choice of about 4 games and it also happened to be one of the few games that actually worked on the first mobile devices. The only lasting appeal the game has is for some turbo artists who play it at the speed of light.

Imagine when you were a kid and were happily playing tetris, then along comes a man who takes away the Tetris you were enjoying and replaces it with a horseshoe and a stake telling you to play that instead, then after doing that he rushes to the newspaper and pays to place a section in it making fun of the stupid kid who couldn't even drive a stake into the ground, let alone know what to do with the horseshoe afterwards.

You are being the contemporary version of that man, you completely autistic bellend.

>Have a bad experience with a kid
>ALL KIDS ARE SHIT AT VIDEOGAMES NOW

>>385177756

I have over 100 wins and Dominion never popped for me.

I don't care, I didn't even know it was a thing until now. Achievements are cancer, but this proves that they might not be all that accurate.

>>385177294
ur mum m8

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>>385175570
I don't think it's being dumb, it's just that older games are:

>too boring mechanically/story-wise
>has too much bullshit (shitty puzzles in the OP pic)

>>385189871
Sounds like that money that you are earning is costing more than it is providing

>>385181570
Wizardry 4 was a meme game that was more of a giant practical joke than an actual game.

>>385175570

Just look what happened when the crash remake was released.

>>385180908
>Dark Souls
>excellent combat

Sup reddit

>>385175570
He just finished God of War.

>>385177294
Ninja Gaiden 2 on Mentor, but Master Ninja mode is about 60% luck especially on on the first two chapters considering they're so brutal.

>>385175570

games are easier nowadays, because they're not designed to suck quarters out of your pocket

>>385191119
I didn't get many games, like stated before you got one or two for bithday, one or two for christmas, and then if the stars aligned just right you might get a bonus game on Easter or Valentines day. 2-5 games a year.

The ones I like I played, and played over and over and over. The ones I didn't like I kept coming back to, hoping I'd like it THIS time... But it was a no go, you couldn't force yourself to like something.

A little off topic but I don't know why Dong Cunt 64 is just getting criticized for being shit NOW. Like people ever thought it was acceptable and "aged badly" or some stupid shit. It was garbage day 1 when I blew half a year of allowance and its garbage now.

>>385194608
he turned the difficulty down to easy somewhere during the middle of it, if you didn't know.

>League of Legends Challenger
and lolfaggots do even dare to say their game takes skill?
this guy had the face of an angry kid to which you said no the whole game

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>>385193917
>beating dancer with knowledge
Sensible chuckles were had. Where did this whole whacky contrarianism start? It is like some autistic version of a hipster. Even if you are right what is the point of it all? You think our generation is some hot shit because we played "hard" games like megaman? You could make a good argument for our generation being dumb mindless shits finding any sort of enjoyment from these non narrative driven games.
"Why are you pushing the D pad right?"
"To make my character move right"
"Why?"
"Because the game tells me to"
The complexity of a games narrative started and ended at "there is a generic bad guy at the end of this".

A game like Bioshock infinite might not have gameplay as hard or in fact as good as older games, but then it doesn't need to be, it's a game that is emotionally far more complex than any of the ye olde games we grew up with. Or a game like The Witcher 3 with its rich world to explore. Why should the merit of a game solely be based in how difficult it is to beat? To wank off to in self congratulating style "look at how good us people who beat this game are"?

Honest to god you and everyone else need to get their head out of their ass for 2 seconds, read their posts and realize what unbearable cunts you sound like. It is quite seriously as if I am on some subreddit dedicated to retrogames with all the snotty unbearably full of themselves posters.

I dunno, my 13 years old brother, while watches steamers and plays some of the modern shit, completed games like DS multiple times, all of them. Completed IWBTG fan games, Wings of Vi, some older Mega Man games. He probably formed his tastes thanks to some of the games I let him play back in the day, mainly indie darlings of 2010's. So I guess stop being shit parents/older siblings?

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>>385191119
I played golden eye to beat my cousin. I picked oddjob every time, and so did he.

>>385194931
>You could make a good argument for our generation being dumb mindless shits finding any sort of enjoyment from these non narrative driven games
I remember this being one of my Dad's main complaints over me playing vidya way back. It wasn't the "being stuck indoors" thing, it was simply that he thought the games were dumb and utterly pointless. Not pointless as in unproductive, but as in the games go nowhere, you are playing them to play them, not to learn about characters, or be drawn in by a story, or to be made to reflect on some issue or so. He came in June day asking me what a game I was playing was about, and I could only tell him in gameplay terms "shooting those thing s to get to the next level", to which he then grumbled that I was being more machine than the bloody thing I was playing on, pushing buttons for the sake of pushing buttons, turning pages of a book that has no text just to get to the end of it. Makes me laugh thinking back to this day.

>>385195957
Did you not once, ever think in your mind, that what you should have told him was, "I'm playing this to be entertained, and this is the form of entertainment I like."? Is your dad still alive?

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>>385181570
>100% reliant on rng monsters to do literally anything
yeah that sounds like a good game that is worth my time

>>385187225
IQ has absolutely nothing to do with education, you moron.

>>385176734
i think smart phones might've helped my IQ, i look up so much information that its pretty much an extention of my brain and i feel so empowered intellectually being able to just look shit up

one of my moms friends daughters was shilling me this work shop she goes to for the past few weeks about personal finances and saving money, i researched about the organization and lo and behold it was one of those multi layer business scams that sells you bunch of garbage and makes you recruit friends and family

now i feel bad because i know for a fact she recruited her sister and she herself was recruited as well after i prodded her about it passively

>>385176734
DAE EVERYTHING IS L I T E R A L L Y THE SAME AS IT WAS 6 TRILLION YEARS AGO???????

>>385175570
why is he bald

>>385194931
>Bioshock infinite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u18_BKczg

>>385193562
>More and more boomers getting old and being dumped into nursing homes by their kids
> Nursing homes and elder care are an absolutely laughable shitshow of a profession
> Shortage of healthcare workers getting worse along with Drumpf trying to gut medicare and social security

Don't worry, the boomers will get their comeuppance. Their "golden years" will be filled with nothing but pain, misery, sickness, and depression until they die in a puddle of their own piss and shit as they are forgotten by their kids and loved ones.

>>385179470
tell his dad to let nature take it's course

>>385196847
I think he knew I was playing because I enjoyed it and not because I was a potential masochist who got pleasure out of causing myself suffering. It was more that he couldn't really understand what was to enjoy from such an empty experience. Looking back I can say I understand his sentiment very well. I have very few, if any, fond memories of the games I played. I have fond memories of playing them, but not of the game in and of itself. For instance I have the memory of sitting indoors with the fireplace on behind me in an otherwise dimly lit room the day after Christmas playing a new game together with my brother, but the game itself in and of its own holds very little meaning to me. Compare this with, to go with the other anons example, Infinite. I have fond memories of that game, from the game in and of itself. Christ I actually started caring for Anna/Elizabeth as a person (as sad as that may sound) and have fond memories of the actual game and it story.

As to my dad, yes still alive, and now more impressed with vidya then he used to be. Recently got him to play NierAutomata set to easy with the "cheat" plugins enabled to an extent, and he really enjoyed that, he has always been into that sort of scifi stuff, he has also always liked "pretty characters".

>>385197717
It depends on the game, and it's different for everyone. I have some memories about some games themselves of my own, but it would be pointless to share it here as it would just make things longer and the concept itself is what you and others will be able to relate to, not the actual game.

I'm glad to hear your dad is enjoying vidya as well now, but does he not have his own hobbies or things he does for entertainment? What I'm getting at is not everything humans do has to have some kind of deep point.

>>385197503
I had my mother over at my place recently and she decided to "have a go on the ps4", one of the games I have on that is infinite (>hurr Bioshock on console). Now my mother has basically never touched a controller, so getting of the boat and up the light tower took her, I shit you not, the better part of 15 minutes as she was pissing about with the camera/view. Then when she got to this "puzzle" it took her another 10 minutes of fiddling with the controls to "solve" it. I could only proclaim that finally I had found someone for whom the puzzle was apparently an actual puzzle and not just an attempt to insult the players' intelligence.

To this day I do not understand what the point was of that puzzle. The only thing I could come up with that it was the games way of explaining why not every idiot who entered the lighthouse could use it as a rocket ship, but then there are better ways of doing that.

>>385175570
hes not a kid hes an autist

>>385180908
yes i too love to roll and press r1

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>>385198089
>>385198089
War gaming is his big thing, and by extension mine, have a massive table set up with pic related right now at my parents' place and we play in the weekends when I visit. My mother unjokingly claims my dad and I have "autism".

>>385177294
Ducktales

>>385198854
>Dad is an old-school gamer
>Shits on son for enjoying video games
What a fucking hypocrite.

I play tabletop games too, and some of the immediate advantages I realized over the years with videogame versions of tabletop games, is that there's no set-up time before you start playing, no clean-up time after you're done, and you don't ever have to worry about storage (including sleeving cards) or losing the pieces when you bring a game to a game meet-up, or someone damaging the components while playing.

>>385190465
I've played through the challenges a number of times. Challenge 8 is not hard for me at all, but it's the longest of all. Challenge 10 is mostly luck. It's designed unfairly. There are strats, but it's still not easy.

>>385198763
>he got into souls only as late as 3
Not nearly as many iframes in das1, nor the stamina to simply spam roll to safety. Bloodborne doesn't even have rolling.
Also it is amazing how contrarianism is sullying the opinion of a game.
>people enjoy game for its great world design, atmosphere, lore, storytelling or rather lack thereof, and overal presentation along with its above average difficulty.
>streamers/lets players turn it into "hardest game ever", "watch my 110% legit real reaction as I die to this boss three dozen times".
>idiots start to believe people liked the games because of some sort of "oh my god hardest thing since Rocco Siffredis is cock"
>cue people calling the games trash because they aren't actually that hard
>miss the point that the games weren't liked for their difficulty to start with

Consider ending yourself porkchops.

>>385199038
Well the tabletop game has an actual human opponent, and we also pick ones that have a degree of historical accuracy so we can, to an extent, get a better grasp of the battles. It serves as visualization of where the various units/battalions were located and to better understand in what way the geography played a role in certain battles. So all in all there is somewhat more purpose to it than playing through some old NES game.
Also what you say about digitalization of these war games is very true, but sadly many of them are not available in a digital format. Either because of their age or because of their niche. We also enjoy the face to face-ness of it, we'll be locked up in that room for 10 hours on a Saturday.

That being said I played war in the east recently and want to get it for him as well and see if we can get a session of that going, or maybe war in the pacific.

>>385199709
>Well the tabletop game has an actual human opponent,
>It serves as visualization of where the various units/battalions were located and to better understand in what way the geography played a role in certain battles. So all in all there is somewhat more purpose to it than playing through some old NES game.
>We also enjoy the face to face-ness of it,
Yes, I know all that, and if you notice I don't say digital is superior to physical. It's simply a trade-off with each one having their advantages and disadvantages. But really, if it's to be argued, while those games are more educational...functionality-wise, what we learn from that doesn't really apply so much or at all in regular life, just like video games. At least you're blessed to have a real-life grognard (wargamer) under the same roof that can play tabletop games with you almost whenever you want. I wish I had something like that.

>>385176458
i cant get my nephews to play anything that is not a FPS or NBA2K

if they arent playing either they go back to their tablets. fuck this generation

>>385201009
forgot to add open world. anything that allows you to dick around without having to actually play the game is right up their alley

give them GTA, infamous or saints row and the first thing they'll do is annihilate the entire map. there are no missions or story to play. its just kill things and laugh

>>385200621
Ya, I am really lucky in that regard, dad, brother and uncle (mother's side) are all into it. If you live near larger cities it is easy-ish to get into meets. I live in holland which isn't exactly the hubbub of war gaming, or gaming, or anything at all really, but even here the larger towns with all meet ups for these sort of things. Lots of military/ex-military and of course a lot of just regular enthusiasts. So if you aren't in the middle of nowhere you could try that. Other than that imo war in the east and pacific are two of the best games I have played when it comes to PC wargaming. Month long sessions against human opponents gives a sense of scale I have not had in any other vidya experience. It really starts to feel like you are slogging it out.

My only gripe with war in the east is that if the German player messes up his opening move, he is doomed and there are many ways to mess up, and only a few viable openings. But then that goes hand in hand with the historical portrayal of the war.

>>385175570
thats a kid?

dude looks like an unemployed 30 yr old man

>>385201259
To be fair GTA missions and story are shit and I reckon a lot of people spend a majority of their time in GTA "dicking about".

>kid
>Posts a guy who looks about 30 years old

I like this thread. My daughter, who is 9, started playing 3d dot game heroes. I know its not retro but considering her attention span I figured itd be a good jumping off point because she wants to get into zelda. She barely made it through the first dungeon and gave up on the snake boss dude. It had me feeling a little ashamed. She then went to youtube to watch someone else play it because "its too hard"

>>385175570

I'm 33, and I couldn't be fucked finishing most games nowadays, let alone God of Bore.

>>385177294

God Hand

>>385201809
>My only gripe with war in the east is that if the German player messes up his opening move, he is doomed and there are many ways to mess up, and only a few viable openings. But then that goes hand in hand with the historical portrayal of the war.
I'm sorry I don't really have any experience with that game and probably never will, but in games that follow or portray a historical series of events, what you say is very much true, because they won't be injected with any sort of "comeback" mechanics and the player has a large degree of freedom in possible options compared to more "gamey" regular boardgames.

>>385175570
>my whole statistic sample is some special snowflake youtube attention whore
I know this is /v/ and people don't really require a reason for shitposting but come on.

>>385202114
Try to teach your daughter that watching is never as good as being able to do something fun. Do this by being a good example for her.

>>385202114
I wonder who's to blame here, the 9 yo kid or the parent that raised her.

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>>385181570
Oh no... Wizardry 4... Begone you son of a bitch!!! Away!! Do not bring that cursed game upon us!!

>>385179470
Meanwhile my 11 year old brother was too dumb to complete a single segment in any Half-Life game on his own.
He literally had trouble in Episode 2 where the Jalopy was stopped by the combine and all you had to do was go back a bit. The crane part in HL2 also destroyed him absolutely, he just tried to drive the buggy up the wall.

>>385181570
>it was HARD because you had to rely on good RNG a lot and because of bad game design
I know arguing with screenshot is stupid but what exactly was the point of all that?

>>385197516
Still beats living your whole life in a puddle of your own piss and shit. Every day in your shitty, mentally ill life is your comeuppance.

>>385178947
>fist pumping moment of vindication
I didn't get that with God of War. The ending sequences of that game were fucking irritating, and I was still mad at the end.

>>385189871
>4pm-11am
That's 19 hours a day.
>only getting a day off every so often
How have you not died of exhaustion?

>>385177294
STALKER

rather, there shouldn't be any option other than master when you play.

>>385175570
What study group is this based on, generalising retard?

>>385203220
People can be jerks without being mentally ill, senpai, otherwise the entire human race is mentally ill

>>385175570
>this just in! others arent as cool, hip, cynical and hardcore as I am t. OP

stop taking yourself so seriously. trust me nobody else does.
>in b4 newfag/underage
ive been using this site longer than you've been alive

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>>385175570
>kids today
>post picture of a wet peeled potato

>>385202981
Ya, this, nor most of the other posts in this thread, are describing a "generation problem".
Your brother is just retarded.

My 12 year old niece finished the ps1 Rayman.
I suggested she play FFVII seeing as that was one of if not simply THE biggest title for the ps1. She finished that too. She isn't even particularly into vidya, but she liked the look of the Rayman character, and she really enjoyed the story of FFVII with Red being her favourite character.

So I firmly believe that kids who can not finish "normal" games that were and still are aimed at the general public are simply retarded (by this I mean to exclude series like touhou, only turbonerds clear that on nightmare, it makes all the megaman1/2 wanking in this thread look like a cakewalk)

>>385175570
I don't even think it could be attention span related issues, since GoW is pretty active as a game. I could understand someone saying, "I didn't finish Persona 3/EU/Disgaea/Dorf Fort/something that takes 80+ hours or an absurd amount of learning" because those games are major time investments regardless of what you do and don't lend themselves to the whole "improved skill equals shorter time played" line of thought.

>>385178551
I have a five year old Nephew who absolutely insists we play New Super Mario Bros 2 on the 3DS together all the time.
And even on a hard level he will absolutely insist on being the leader, even if he has to wear the super racoon to beat it.

If he didn't goof off so much and actually concentrated he probably could get to world 3 or 4 at least by himself. But he prefers to play the easier levels over and over because it's more fun.

He can drift boost and use green shells properly in Mario Kart. I can easily beat him, but he's damn skilled for a 5 year old.

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Today, kids have countless F2P titles on their smartphones, PC and even consoles they can bounce between at a moments notice. Remember how when you were a kid you were lucky to get one video game outside of your birthday and Christmas?

Today's kids are spoilt for choice. They're swimming in a fuckton of video games and it's probably leading to sensory overload and fatigue.

>>385193558
this is shopped

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>>385175570
That's not a kid.

And I don't blame anyone for not being able to play through this shit game.

>>385199260
Bloodborne definitely has rolling, lock-on scrub

>>385175570
The same reason you're shit at being manly/getting laid:
Technology changes kids.

>>385176989
>race mixing is a good ide..

>>385175570
Older games in series tend to have shittier controls and less versatility, even for games that started on relatively firm footing. Dealing with those limitations produces additional frustration. More frustration leads to people giving up on the game more frequently.

>>385175570
You say that like God of QTEs is worth playing

>>385175570
Half my classmates who played games in elementary and middle school couldn't finish simple games like mario bros 3 or pokemon. Kids are just stupid and most of then also don't care about video games as much as us.

>>385179879
Same here, shit that challenged me as kid is usually completely trivial now.

Isn't GoW's hard mode actually bugged or something?

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>>385194931
>A game like Bioshock infinite might not have gameplay as hard or in fact as good as older games, but then it doesn't need to be, it's a game that is emotionally far more complex than any of the ye olde games we grew up with.

4.3/10

You put a lot of effort into your bait but you over did it way too much that it backfired.

>>385175570
I blame the education system failing every generation. A dumb population is easier to control. An you motherfuckers under 20 are dumb as shit kek.

>>385191185
Difference between TV and smartphone being that most of us watched 3 stations tops as kids

There's a million things you can do for entertainment on smart phones

>>385194931
>it's a game that is emotionally far more complex

Spoken like a true tasteless waifufag.

I think it's because this new generation is a lot more alpha, they have less time for bullshit like videogames, but they do have a lot more time for raising families.

>>385206789
Ask me how I know you're barely 18 if you reached that age at all.

>>385175570
There's a lot more games vying for their attention, and $60 in 2017 is cheap compared to $60 (or more likely $80) in 1980s / 90s.

>>385175570
Soft games produce soft gamers. It's that simple.

/v/ contributes to it by saying Game X from 20 years ago is "aged" or is "borderline broken" or whatever buzzword is in use today. But I guess that's because /v/ now is filled with plenty of those soft gamers.

Honestly I'd love nothing more than to see a Quake deathmatch between /v/ from 2017 and /v/ from 2007.

>>385206864
Don't get so defensive anon. I'm only stating facts.

>>385192495
It's called the subject of a sentence you retard.

In the first line, anon is the subject. So the relation is "my brother."
Later, the kid is the subject, so the relation is "his dad."

The degree of separation is identical between all three parties so terms of reference change based on perspective.

Welcome to English hope you enjoy it

>>385206936
These faggots from 2017, wouldn't even know how to install it on their own.

>>385177756
>Call of Duty
It's almost like it's a game primarily played for the multiplayer

>>385175570
>playing the rerelease of Phantom Dust
>getting achievements for beating bosses
>less than 1% of players completed the first few chapters
For fuckin real? Were people just downloading and then deleting the game?

>>385207474
Real talk, what would actually be improved by letting you go back to the beginning?

>Brother loves CoD
>Been playing Blops 2 for almost a year now
>Refuses to touch any other game
>The only thing he talks about is streamers who exclusively play CoD
>Not a day goes by were he doesn't tell me about how he wants a gaming PC
>Can't tell me what any of the parts are for or how to hook one up
>Can't think of any games other than CoD which he already owns for the PS3 that he would play
>Is fucking adamant though
>Even hooked up a mouse and keyboard to the old PS3 even though he can't play games with it.
I've never wanted someone's dreams to evaporate faster than his. I know he only wants it because he's interested in trying to be a streamer. I tell him he should develop his tastes more and that his method of playing the game is fine but he fucking insists.

GoW is just boring

>>385207734
Give him a link to pcpartspicker, wait for him to buy all the expensive 24ram 1060 card and glowy gamer keyboard and mouse stuff and wait for him to realise his mistake.

>>385207693
You were that play tester, weren't you?

Finishing the job is a masculine trait and test levels are lower now more than it's ever been.

>>385177294
Stalker

>>385175570
>Kids today are literally struggling to finish God of War 1.

Kids are struggling to complete a boring repetitive button masher? What a shock.

>>385207509
I feel like there has to be a ton of
>bought game or got free code but never even started it
>bought game blind and didn't like it
>borrowed game that you weren't actually interested in and dropped it after one hour
>etc.
to explain the universally depressing achievement statistics. Hell, I've done it myself with the giveaway PS+ games.

Remember, vidya is a gigantic mainstream business now, there are all types of people (who don't know what the fuck) buying and playing games.

bitch what? Kids hardly finished games back in the day either. I didn't finish a game until I was like 10 years old and I was an autist who played videogames every day.

Stop acting like an old person over people that are only a few years younger than you.

In the 90s gaming was a small, expensive, niche hobby that you had to WANT to be in, and you had to squeeze every ounce of enjoyment out of every game you got your hands on.
Nowadays game consoles are an ubiquitous part of the living room, and there are thousands of games available and more coming out all the time; if something isn't giving you your funsies immediately then dump it to Gamestop and get another one.

>GOW
>worth finishing
Those kids have taste OP.

>>385197235
>one of those multi layer business scams that sells you bunch of garbage and makes you recruit friends and family

It's called a pyramid scheme, dumbass. No wonder you have to use your phone as an "extention" of your brain.

>>385175570
This motherfucker doesn't look like a kid at all. He\s like 34 or something.

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generation z is going to be the best one there ever damn was. just you watch. millenials are going to get BTFOd

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>>385209906
>No wonder you have to use your phone as an "extention" of your brain.

>>385210010
Anon Gen Z is like 15 years old. Pls stop being underaged and leave.

>>385177294
Goldeneye Wii

>>385177294
Diablo 2

>>385177294
Kingdom Hearts 2fm

>>385210010
>mid-1990s to the mid-2000s
sorry, grandpa

>>385210010
Ah yes, the trans generation, who's greatest dream job is being a youtuber, with an even shorter attention span than millenials. Saviors of the western world indeed.

>>385198854
What game is this?