>game is fun >but not good What games capture this phenomenon?

ham

RIP doggo eyes.

dumb hentai games

Takedown Red Sabre with friends

Another terrible thread by a mobile poster! We need to ban them to hell...

>>385167601
I can't believe sick fucks would burn a dog's face off like that.

>>385167601
Mount and Blade.
Fun game but the combat is trashman tier. Somehow I still play it though.

Musou games

>>385167754
but anon... its a slice of ham

Licensed games

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>>385167743

>can't think of anything that can contribute to the thread
>calls op a shitposter anyway

>>385167601
TF2

Artificial Academy 2

PUBG in its current state

>>385167601
Muramasa and all the DLC

Fallout and Elder Scrolls games honestly

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>>385167601
EYE

that literally not possible. if you think a game is fun, you think it's good

>>385167601
The Legend of Zelda: The Breath of the Wild

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>>385167601

>>385167601
Ninja Gaiden 3 Trials and Titanfall 2 to an extent

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>>385168052
Please let this be fake.

>>385167601
Literally every Dynasty Warriors game.

>>385168030
>Play Sonic '06
>Laugh at how fucking awful it is

>>385168198
Of course it's fake but people fell for it anyway.

>>385167601
Transformers devastation
It's fun as hell but by no means is it a good game

>Its fun but not good

Pop quiz, what's the point of playing a video game?

Cargo! The Quest for Gravity is what happens when the guys behind The Void and Pathologic feel they're a bit too depressing and try to make a "fun" game. They then make a super surreal Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts clone that's buggy as hell, illogical, and fucking weird but fun if solely due to how weird it is.

>>385167601
Assassin's Creed

neo Tomb Raider

NRS games

LEGO games

>>385168318
To shitpost about it on anonymous image boards

>>385168318
To bitch about them later on /v/

>>385168318
To get mad street cred

>>385167601
>game isn't fun
>but story is good
>therefor game is good

explain why people think like this?

Terraria

>>385167601
Skyrim

>>385168486
an engaging story can make up for poor gameplay

>>385167601
Drakengard

90% of Star Fox Adventures

>>385168285
if you enjoy a game , that means it's good. its doesnt matter if there are some parts you dont enjoy or that IGN says its a bad game

Grand strategy games

>>385168486
I think that just relates to a subjective thing. Like for example, I wouldn't say the witcher 3 is a bad game but I would say that I didn't find it very fun.

>>385167601
>>game is fun
>>but not good
??????????

if it's fun, it's good.

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>>385168336
That's their only game I haven't played. I keep avoiding it, because I'm afraid I'll think less of them if the game is bad. I don't want that to happen.

shitty VNs never fail to crack me up

Also i've been playing death island with a friend recently and it's fun as fuck but has terrible mechanics

>>385168012
>>385167919
This as well

>>385168639
But SFA isn't fun, it's the most monotonous game I've ever played. It makes single player Pong look exciting in comparison.

>>385168716
I think OP means critically flawed

>>385168743
It's bad but not in a way that's cheap but more in a "While this is blatantly an insurance scam, whoever's making this obviously doesn't take it very seriously either"-way. This is a game where you collect laughing midgets who are the physical hosts of all the gravity on the planet and you're led around by a clockwork devil who may or may not be God.

>>385167769
M&B has some of the most nuanced combat in modern games and all it is is directional blocking and attacking.
It's a great game.

>>385168716
That's not necessarily true though. Like a game can be fun sure but if say the story is underwhelming or riddled with plot-holes, etc. Then its not really a good game.

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>>385167601
Overwatch

>>385168874
I think OP is critically flawed. ESL people like him shouldn't be on 4chan.

>>385168845
It was fun for me.

>>385167601
Oblivion
It's objectively terrible but I still love it

>>385167601
All autistic games out there.

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>>385167601
Evil Within

>>385167601
Deadly Premonition
Do you even FKin the coffee?

>>385168946
No, it's a good game -in spite of- an underwhelming story because it is fun. If the story detracted from the fun, it wouldn't be a good game.

>>385167601
Both FIFA and PES for the last 5 or so years.

>>385167601
Samurai Western

>>385167732
Yes my absolute nigga. This game is pure shit but somehow with friends its hilariously fun.

>>385168874

Then say that. You don't need things to be perfect or barely flawed to enjoy them. As long as the tools work and the execution is there, that's all you need.

>>385168660
No, it means you're laughing at mediocre quality.
Have you ever seen films that are so fucking awful that it turns from horror to comedy? It doesn't mean it's good. Hell, it's the opposite.

You're deriving your own version of joy from the trainwreck of its indisputably terrible content.

mercenaries 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4gyjVUwn3o

>>385167601
Dawn of war 3 more recently

>>385169304
"So bad it's good" means that, in the end, it's still good. It's literally right there in the phrase. It's just not good in the way the author intended.

>>385169142
I feel like if a story is bad then it does retract from the fun, I guess if a story isn't the worst then maybe it would be still good. But gameplay isn't the only part of a game, the other factors should be seen equally.

All said, a game can be subjectively good if its fun but has a shit story but that would make it objectively good, if that makes sense.

>>385167601
Nier Automata IMO. Not baiting. I fucking love how the gameplay blends different genres, the soundtrack is really good, and the main plot is intriguing. However, I find the side quests are complete shit, the voice acting is inconsistent, the graphics make it look like it came out 5 years ago and repeated playthroughs really make it overstay its welcome. Bear in mind I haven't finished the game yet, only on my second playthrough playing as 9S for the first time, but I don't know whether to love this game or hate it.

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DK64
Bubsy 3D
Shadow the Hedgehog

Fallout 4.

>>385169548
I want to smell those armpits

>>385168198
>>385168304
That or people thought it was funny. Who knows anymore, it's acceptable to be retarded now.

>>385168602
I think Drakengard isn't fun but it's not a bad game desu.

>>385168946
Depends on the game and whether it's story-intensive or not. If the story is an integral part of the game then yeah a bad story is a huge flaw. In an arcadey game, it doesn't matter as much.
A good story is always preferable though, I think.

>>385169065
It's not terrible, but some things about it are pretty bad, like the balancing. Other things are still pretty great such as spell creation. It's a much better game than Skyrim.

>>385169467
no thats just a turn of phrase.

when you say hot as hell you dont actually know the temperature of hell and are saying that the temperature you are experiencing now is as hot as that.

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>>385168716
If a game that came out before it does what made it fun better and doesn't contain its glaring flaws, I'd say it isn't good.

I had fun playing Mass Effect Andromeda, but I had a lot more fun playing just about any other TPS from the 360.

>>385167601
7 days to die.
The reverse (good but not fun) would be Starcraft 2.

>>385169583
Th-They're SUPER stinky though...!

>>385167601
dragons dogma

>>385169475
>All said, a game can be subjectively good if its fun but has a shit story but that would make it objectively good, if that makes sense.

No, that doesn't make sense but that's more because that sentence is a fucking mess rather than the contents of it. What is this cluster duck supposed to mean?

Fun isn't only about gameplay. If the game isn't good because of the story, then the game isn't fun. If the game is fun in spite of the story, then it is good. If you think a game is good then you, by definition, enjoyed it.

>>385169520
>repeated playthroughs really make it overstay its welcome
It's not so bad since you don't need to repeat the sidequests and it's not exactly the same as the first one.

>>385169643
I was unaware that "good " was a mythological feeling that, like hell, doesn't exist.

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Found a copy of this lying around my house the other day. It's not good, but the music's catchy and it's fun to experiment with different duos of characters.

>>385169831
people dont have to enjoy good things.

in fact people rarely enjoy good things.

people enjoy enjoyable things.

explain how a fun game can be bad without sounding like a pretentious hipster loser

>>385167601
the stardust crusaders fighting game on ps1

>>385169980
You enjoy it even though it isn't very good

>>385169980
As one anon said, "So bad it's good"

>>385168997
>brap
lol!

Turok: Evolution

>>385169958
No, people enjoy good things all the time. Even the shittiest media is "good" from the perspective of the person enjoying it even if you or even if a majority of people think otherwise.

>>385169905
I'm just finding it a pain in the ass because once you fight the Goliath in the city ruins it locks you out of most side quests, so I have to go and do them as 9S before progressing in the main plot. You also don't have fast travel at that point, so I have to run all over the fucking map to do them properly instead of having it be more convenient. The Jean-Paul quest was the absolute worst offender. Having to run all the way into the desert, then back to the village, then the desert again, then the carnival, then the village, then the carnival again made me want to die on the spot.

>>385170218
youre not autistic enough about language to understand, which is good for you

>>385170369
I don't think anyone with posts like that has the right to talk about proper English.

>>385170293
>so I have to go and do them as 9S before progressing in the main plot
There's a chapter select after you beat route C so don't worry about them.

Any Earth Defense Force game. Shit's fun as hell but it's pretty much intentionally B-grade as fuck.

>>385169304
>deriving joy
>not good

>>385169520
Tbh I agree. I finished the story and for all the hype around Platinum Games making it it wasn't much more of an enjoyable experience than the original Nier was. Didn't like the story as much either. The side quests are definitely pretty bad, but there are some that are interesting at least in what they offer for the game's themes.
I think the voice acting is pretty consistently great though. 9S' VA especially killed it.

>>385167601
Super Mario Sunshine. It's objectively the work 3D Mario game, but it's so fun to fucking play.

>>385170976
It can be the worst 3D Mario game while still being "good", you know.

>>385167601
/v/ is gonna hate me for this... but Skyrim. Game is a total guilty pleasure of mine, I know it's complete garbage but I just have so much fun playing it.

>>385168314
I'm playing through it, damn does it feel good.
The metal slug-esque car fight on the bridge cracked me up.

>>385170521
Well that's good to know. Should make my life easier then.

>>385170964
Well, I didn't really mean inconsistent as in badly delivered (although I feel like 2B unintentionally sounds like kind of a bitch). I should've clarified, but it really bugs me how they switch between having full voice acting and just text, seemingly at random and even in the middle of a conversation they'll just randomly start having voices. I get that it was made on a lower budget than other games, but it's really distracting when it happens. Also I don't feel like the side quests are 100% ass desu. They're annoying that they're all basically fetch quests, but there are some good ones in there. Father Servo is probably my favorite one so far, and the one with the lost robot sister was really cute.

>>385167601
If a game is fun is good you stupid autistic millennial.

>>385167601

whats wrong with that otters face

>>385167769
you think it's bad because you're bad at it and don't understand it

>>385167601
Hyrule Warriors

>>385167601
skyrim
half life 2

>>385171474
If you enjoyed a game, you thought it was good despite any flaws you admit the game has. People who say it's bad even though they enjoyed it are lying to themselves or are trying to "fit in" on an anonymous internet forum.

>>385168660
No true. I liked Fallout 4, it's a bad game and I know it. It's a guilty pleasure.

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>>385167601
Game felt worse compared to AuF, and Nightfire. Who though giving nearly every enemy in the end a disintegrating gun or a gun the can shoot through walls was a good idea?

>>385167601
any game that you find fun but its pay 2 win

>>385171561
>it really bugs me how they switch between having full voice acting and just text, seemingly at random
Oh. Well yeah, it's weird how random it is. Not sure if it's due to the budget though.

>although I feel like 2B unintentionally sounds like kind of a bitch
Well... she is generally a more serious character, yeah.

>Father Servo is probably my favorite one so far
>the one with the lost robot sister was really cute.
I fully agree, those were good ones.

Saints Row and Saints Row 2

>>385168997
>overwatch
>fun
shit taste, senpai

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terrible game, but i enjoyed every minute.
disaster report was better though

>>385172001
No, you know that a lot of people consider it bad. You might even understand why they consider it bad. You might even consider yourself abnormal (hence the "guilty" in "guilty pleasure). But if you considered it to be a bad game you wouldn't enjoy it.

It's only possible to enjoy a bad game if "goodness" or "badness" was measured on some objective, populace-wide scale.

>>385171865
Nah. I can totally see objectively that the game has some serious flaws. I'm just saying, its fairly easy for me to zone out to it and have fun. Hell, I can even have fun with Ride to Hell Retribution, and I think literally everyone on the planet can agree that that game sucks. Objectively, it sucks. But subjectively, I can have fun with it because of its ridiculousness. Skyrim is a bit of a different situation, but the same points still stand. I don't care about fitting into an anonymous message board, what use would I have from it? No one will know who I am, and there's overall no point in trying to make a fake impression of myself. I am saying it like it is, I sometimes feel dirty for playing and enjoying Skyrim because I can clearly see the faults of the game, yet I'm able to forgive them because I'm having fun. Subjectively to my own taste, Skyrim is amazing. But if we are talking about what is objectively considered a good game, Skyrim doesn't fit most of those categories, especially in the RPG side of things.

>>385167827
You're a fucking idiot.

Sonic Adventure 2.

It's flawed and janky as fuck but it's also an amazing amount of fun.

>>385172556
:(

>>385172504
Pointing out the flaws in a game is not the same thing as saying you think it's bad. All games have flaws; whether or not you think a game is good is if you enjoy it despite those flaws.

>>385167979
Yeah this

>>385172491
No, it is a objectively bad game and I don't think it's good.

Fallout 4
:v

>>385172772
Then why do you enjoy it?

>>385168198
Lmao have you never seen a slice of ham before?

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Nintendumb game, but scratch fun

>>385167601
Diablo III.

>>385168318
I take it you think that reality television is the highest form of art, then?

>>385172712
Oh. Well then, if that is truly how we are deciding whether or not we think a game is good/bad, I think Skyrim is nothing short of a masterpiece. But saying that just feels so wrong when I take into an account how repetitive and grindy dungeons are, and how there are Draugr in almost every single goddamn quest. Is it really impossible for me to think that a game is bad and actually enjoy it? Am I just lying to myself when I say that I recognize how Skyrim is a bad game?

>>385169672
>that one at the top who isn't getting any

>>385172845
Exploring the Commonwealth was fun.

>>385168486
Because people play different video games for different reasons

>>385173097
Heya, fag who talks about Skyrim in this thread here.
This is exactly how I feel about Skyrim, a major part of the game is shit and I can totally acknowledge that, but I enjoyed every last bit of exploring the world. I have never been this confused about my own opinions before.

>>385169583
I want her to shower and shave them

>>385173069
holy shit anon, I didn't notice it until you pointed it out
the world is unfair

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>>385169909

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Skate 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfl33Tn0pYc

Warframe

>>385167601
If it is fun, it is good.

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What about the opposite? What game is good, but NOT fun?

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Earthbound

Not the most refined game but it's hard to hate and you're entertained throughout

>>385173018
> Am I just lying to myself when I say that I recognize how Skyrim is a bad game?

I already said it's fine to admit that many other people think the game is bad, or to admit that the game has flaws. When you yourself say you think the game is bad that's when you are lying. It's self-deprecating, saying that you think your taste in games is shit, and you don't need to do that.

>>385173816
Nier

>>385173816
Planescape: Torment

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>>385173816
Breath of the Wild. I don't find it fun but everyone keeps telling me it's good.

>>385168946
No, that just means it has underwhelming elements. Fun is the result of a game being good.

>>385173816
Arma 3 wasteland

>>385167827
No shit Sherlock

Anyone who thinks a game can be fun, but not good, just has a narrow mindset for critical thinking, and is not considering the full range of pieces adding together to the game's sum, in this case, fun.

Raging Blast 2

>>385173870
Wow, thanks anon.
That's an entirely new perspective I had never considered before. "admitting that the game has flaws" and saying that "I think the game is bad" have always been one and the same for me. I think I need to learn how to separate the two, it certainly felt like a weight has been lifted from my chest when I acknowledged that subjectively I think the game was pretty good. I honestly expected a shitstorm just for saying that I liked certain parts of Skyrim, but being offered words of advice has been a really uplifting experience. Thanks anon for helping me see how I bullied my soul over this. I will definitely try and differentiate the two different stances from now on.

Dragon's Dogma. I enjoyed it thoroughly, several times over, but I would never endorse it in any way. Terrible story, obviously incomplete world, cumbersome menus and inventory system, heavy reliance on equipment stats, terrible quests, etc. etc. etc.

>>385168660
>how much you personally enjoy something is now a good measure for its quality
Jesus christ you're retarded. Skyrim is my favorite game so now it's the best game ever made

>>385174629
I'm uneasy with how sarcastic this post sounds.

>>385167601
KH birth by sleep, MGSV, Shadow Warrior 2, RE 6, Marlow Briggs, EYE.

first sony using their noses for analog sticks and now this.. why must dogs get treated so badly?

Fallout 3. Mostly terrible but great atmosphere and exploration.

>>385173912
oh boy this.
everything gameplay related could be so much better.

>>385174435
You can have fun playing a bad game. A game does not need to be good to be enjoyable for you personally.

>>385174684
DD is flawed as fuck but it's still a fantastic game and better than almost any contemporary RPG. I fully enjoyed it twice now.
The story isn't very well executed but the concepts in it are great, which is good enough for me, and more than what I can say about other RPGs, again.

When in doubt one could also always look at it like a Diablo kind of game in spirit. All about the gameplay.

>>385170191
>people can only like ass because of unfunny fart memes
>but not me! I know whats up xD

>>385174924
>sony using their noses for analog sticks
Their sacrifice is well-appreciated.

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>>385174435
Wow, are you retarded? Trying to make people feel bad for liking the things they like? Shame on you. I enjoy playing Fallout 3 just because I personally like it the atmosphere, exploration, and setting are just perfect for *me* because I like that kind of stuff. Just because it's an objectively bad game doesn't mean people *have* to hate it.

>>385167601
Lollipop Chainsaw.

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>>385167601

Oblivion is my go to for this. The game is so fucking bad for so many reasons, but it's so fun because of how busted it is.

>>385176023
>tfw I will never be able to unsee the giraffe blowjob

>>385167601
Diablo 2.

It's literally a skinnerbox with mindless clicking and the illusion of choice with skill builds. But it's fun to waste time with.

>>385173816
Ni No Kuni

>>385174857
>caring what other people think
if you like a game, it doesnt matter what IGN or Markiplier says about it. stop being such a dumb sheep

>>385175632
>Trying to make people feel bad for liking the things they like?
I was doing exactly the opposite.
Objectivity doesn't exist.
If you enjoyed Fallout 3 for all of those reasons, then it was a good game for you.
Any negatives you consider the game to have must be minor compared to the reasons you like it, otherwise those negative aspects would get in the way of your enjoyment.

dragon's dogma

Just Cause and Mercenary games

However there is a case to be made for both as actually good games.

>>385175921
Game is pretty bad,
But the surreal situation and jokes make up for it.

It's like a game making fun of it self and having fun while doing it.

It's like "bro: the game"

>>385177030
Objectivity does exist. Good writing, world building, relationships, story aspects, these are all quantifiable things that determines how "good" a game is. It's a starting point. The better a game is objectively the more likely you are to like it and therefore not waste your money. Getting a game that is objectively not as well made as others is a gamble.

>>385167601
Main Kraft

/v/, you will never know the TRUE meaning of "fun, but not good" until you have suffered playing the MMORPG Vindictus.

The best combat of its kind, hands-fucking-down

A blast to play and a high skill ceiling to enjoy

A host of classes you can do some really classy shit with

It's fun as all hell, but HOLY FUCK is it managed terribad. Most of the forum users are convinced the devs are wholeheartedly trying to run it into a coffin. For one single example, there are SIMPLE AS FUCK bugs for certain characters which have existed since around their inception YEARS ago, which - to this day - havent been addressed.

If you ever happen upon a rare vindi thread or general, ask innocent questions about the state of the game, and be awed by the ocean of discontent and butthurt.

>>385168372
Nah dude Lego games are good games. Especially the new Lego Jurassic Park. GF made me buy it and it's pretty fun and also looks great, and has some really great puzzles

>>385172003
>Game felt worse compared to AuF
It's not exactly a gem, but AuF was total shit in its own right. The only game I've ever seen where the multiplayer mode had no fucking hands holding the guns even though the single player did. Absolute autism.

>>385177302
> Good writing, world building, relationships, story aspects, these are all quantifiable things that determines how "good" a game is.

That's not even true, and even if it were the degree to which those objective goods influences your overall opinion of the game would still vary from person to person making the overall opinion still completely subjective.

>>385177302
>Good writing, world building, relationships, story aspects, these are all quantifiable things
They're really not very well-quantifiable at all.

>>385177302
But whether or not the writing etc is good is up to the individual judging it, and its value to the work (in this case vidya) as a whole varies on many factors, such as authorial intent, and once again, how much the individual viewer values those aspects.

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I fucking love so much about this game. It has the best first level of any Sonic game I've ever played, the best music, the chao garden is awesome, amazing Sonic/Shadow levels, everything. But god damn, what an ill-conceived, counter-intuitive piece of fucking trash. So many of the harder missions require you to do unbelievably autistic things for an A rank, not to mention the cancer-cam, awful story and Mad Space, the gayest level ever made. I love you SA2, but you autism incarnate.

>>385167601
Goat Simulator
It's not a good game by any stretch, but I'd say I got my $3.00 of fun out of it.

>>385176023
Who the fuck thought this was a solid design for the number 6?

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>>385167601

>>385177934
Mad Space is a great level with a fantastic track, fgt.

>>385178129
More like the opposite. It's a perfectly sound game, but it's not fun in the long term.

>>385178197
>Mad Space is a great level with a fantastic track, fgt.
No actually it isn't, it's a fucking terrible level with broken gravity mechanics. Go get all 180 emblems and then come back and tell me how much you love this piece of shit.

>>385172895
>He's so autistic he thinks that's the part the anon was talking about when he asks if it's fake.
People can not be this dumb.

>>385176859
To be honest, you say that based on today's standards. Back when it was released, it was a damn good game. You didn't have access to as much information as you do today, which made a lot of concepts in the game much better because you wouldn't just jump into the meta straight away. Thus, you had much more freedom of choice in what to do, be it builds, farming, whatever really.
By today's standards, yea, it doesn't hold up well. Back it, it was pretty amazing though.

>>385173816
TLoU
Game is boring as shit and I kinda would have preferred it to be a TV series ala breaking bad, think it would have worked much better that way, but the story is well written and directed so the game is still worth playing.

>>385178280
This.

You'd think a game's theme that would pander to hoplophiles would at least have the decency to make weapon customization better, but

lol no, 6 magazine and 4 sights on a single handgun because why the fuck not.

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>>385167601
This so much. The mechanics are pretty shallow, and its very grindy and repetitive, but god damn there has never been any game that makes you feel like a comsic badass, warping around at the speed of light, getting that epic 50 hit combo on the enemy and blasting them with enough energy to cover a quarter or more of a planet in pulses of atomic destructive nuking death force the way that this game does

The progression feels amazing and the fights lightning fast awesome, learning to combo and how to pvp is all about the mindgames due to the game itself not having that many mechanics beyond a lot of different ways to hit someone, still when you get into things like mastering 4 directional vanishing steps so you can intimidate your opponent just by zipping around their head faster than can be seen is just a damn good time

Also, the OST is GOAT

One of my favorite songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopXZDAFxuw&list=PLGOxHCGgfukfZMdNHYtrxxTVMM1zIiQVI&index=5

The epic 10+ players vs bosses is great too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWWZB4j1qBc&list=PLGOxHCGgfukfZMdNHYtrxxTVMM1zIiQVI&index=8

PvP, mind games, and combos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOATd425XI

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>>385178941
>OST is GOAT
It's not Faulconer therefore its shit.

>>385178821
Well, I dunno if it's a game for hoplophiles to begin with, but weapon customisation is fun the way it is I think, the only problem is that neither the customisation, nor the arsenal of weaponry you can have change anything about the gameplay because it's all SMGs and pistols aside from the one grenade case and item case you get. The gameplay doesn't change from the moment you start till the end. Which is somehow good and bad, because it does become dull.

I did all sidequests on my first playthrough, apart from the arena I suppose, which I only did a part of. 70 hours. It's just not fun for that amount of time without long breaks inbetween.

The story and characters, and especially the music absolutely carried it for me though. I would play it again if it was released on Steam.