Why did this game fail? Why will Ultra S&M fail too?

>13 million sales
>fail

>>385144538
It failed?

didn't it sell like tens of millions of copies in a matter of days, or something, despite being released on the most piracy ridden platform right now?

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>>385144538
You must have overly high standards if 13 million sales is a failure to you

In all seriousness, USUM have potential to be much better than SM if GF is using all the cut content from the first games. That just gives more power to the people who skipped SM waiting for a better version to pop up, though...

I'm expecting a better game, but not as many sales.

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It didn't reception or sales wise.
I liked it a lot though. Was interesting to see a narratively focused title, although the limitations on size prevented them from creating a proper one. Ironically enough, despite /v/ complaining about the cutscenes, it needed more to create a cohesive, proper narrative rather than the ok but ultimately incomplete one we got, plus maybe a skip button for people without attention spans. As long as they keep it to this gen, I'm fine with them having a story focused gen, it was a refreshing change from the somewhat stale classic Pokemon formula.
Aside from that
>regional design
Pretty but lacking in substance. Too small but gets the job done.
>Music
9/10. Excellent and fits the scenes/areas well except the fucking ride Pokemon theme.
>Pokemon Design
Some of the best and most creative ones in years, plus a resurgence of the Bug type after being somewhat ignored in the previous gen. Shame there's so few though, GF really doesn't want to hit that 1000 Pokemon milestone.
>Online
Meh. No one likes Festival Plaza. I don't mind it but they really needed to make it more like the original Join Avenue and separate online from it. As it is it's less like something you care for and develop and more like a daily.
>Trainer/menu features
Generic but good interface, Rotomdex is take it or leave it but it works about as well as the gen 5 menu. Full size trainer models is excellent for the custom options (although they are somewhat less varied, but at least not on poorly modeled chibis). Ride Pokemon is excellent save for the music, HM slaves suck. Pelago is nice.
>stat features
Bottle cap IV fixers are long overdue but lack of powerleveling method makes it tedious. Built in IV checker also long overdue, but very welcome as a change. EV training is so easy now you don't even have to play it to do so, making this the most friendly towards new players entering online battles so far, although move tutors are sorely needed.

It didn't fail it's just the objectively worst one, tied with ORAS and just below the stuff that's aged badly, see also everything before Emerald

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>>385145274
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Golisopod is nice

>>385145314
How is ORAS worse than the originals?

>>385145274
>Music is 9/10
Only good track is hau's battle theme

>>385146014
No battle frontier

>>385146178
The town themes were great, but particularly the night ones. I like Gladion's theme and Lusamine's themes as well.

>>385146178
The trainer theme is one of the best in the series, next to B/W's and X/Y's.

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>>385145274
>Not having your 3DS on mute at all times
BING! WAHOOO! ;)

>>385146881
>not wearing headphones

>>385144538
>Why did this game fail?
Isn't it literally the best selling 3DS game of all time?

>>385147114
so

>>385147114
Yea but the fanbase hate it

>>385145314
>it's just the objectively worst one
I think you mean R/B/Y

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>>385144538
Sun and Moon were such awful Pokémon games. Nothing will ever compare to GSC with the limited Pokémon distribution and butchered Kanto region. And don't even get me started on the nu-Pokémon designs. Gen 2's generic coral with eyes, sunflower with eyes, fake tree with eyes, and mini Godzilla were so much more creative!

>>385148818
>trying to shit on best gen
Really makes you think...

>>385144538
It did not fail in sails, but gameplay wise, it just wasn't fun, and the story was mediocre at best.

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>>385145004
It's one of the best and most profitable Pokémon games, and a perfect anniversary present for the fans

fuck you and your "b-but my egg hatching and super training cheating methods"

Jesus fucking Christ, the whole reason I came back to /v/ was because /vp/ was even more cancerous than usual. Going to bring that shitty forced Necrozma meme here as well?

>>385150270
Let's be real here though. Sun and Moon removed a lot of shit that had no business being removed.

>>385150341
Hey, how's /vp/ nowadays? I'm taking a break from it as well.

>>385150341
I prefer the way it is now. I hated Super Training and I'm glad it's gone for good, it was painful to waste 40-50min in repetitive minigames to EV train each Pokémon

now you can just go to bed and leave them training in the island

>>385150471
Fucking horrible. It's just one shitposter constantly shitting on SM/USUM, and another shitposter posting the same Necrozma picture in every single thread.

>>385150560
Why not have both? An active method and a passive method?

>>385150726
Yeah, having both would be nice, you're right. I hope US/UM do it somehow.

I wish Pokemon games had its own version of Dekaja and Dekunda instead of just Haze.

>>385150726
So not much has changed since I left save for the newcrozma meme. Good to know. Are the starterwars still rampant?

>>385150560
It was optional tho. I don't see how having both would have been a negative. Horde battles were the best for EV training by far anyways, and it sucked that they were removed.

>>385150726
Because the best active method is still doing it yourself by fighting wild pokemon. At least, that's how I feel.

>>385149403
It sure was the best gen at being terrible.

>>385144538
>best selling 3DS game
>failed

ok anon, that's an opinion

>>385146178
I second this, I loved the game but the only track that sticked with me was Hau's theme (and Kukui's one but that doesn't count since it's a remix)

>>385144538
What an idiotic thread. is like he has nothing to doi with hes life,

why do the fanbase hated it again?
>It featured an actual story
>Pokemon designs were alright
>Pacing was good
>Characters were memorable, Lillie, Guzma, Lusamine, Gladion, the island challenge leaders
>Good music

>>385153202
I think it's a loud minority.

I love Sun and Moon but I don't like the festival plaza. I wish the endgame was a little more interesting and there were more clothes to buy and wear. Nintendo could be giving us more clothes instead of mega stones. I don't want anymore fucking mega stones.

>>385153202
Fannase loves SM - it's just a /vp/ meme today it's hated. Just because a vocal minority says they hate it doesn't mean the game was bad - there's a reason why it sold so many copies and will probably sell the same as Ultra.

I loved every change they did. About fucking time the games changed and focused more on a story after so many games, I hope they put even more great characters and some cutscenes in future titles, since the only bad thing about SM was the last boss fight. Generic and weak as fuck.

>>385153729
The loudest minority, Sinnohfoeti. This horrid group of underage faggots infests /vp/ and tries to convince everyone that gen 4 was good and everything past gen 5 at the latest is bad.

>>385154029
>implying SM's primary haters aren't Unovabortions

>>385154029
I had to google what sinnoh was. It was so fucking bad I must have erased it from my mind. i had pearl and diamond and played all the way through it and i can't remember anything about it other than the nifty pokeball seal thing.

>>385154029
I liked Gen 4

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Why are the characters so sexy?

>>385145274
I agree with this 100%. SM weren't stellar, but they were by no means bad. If USUM give the originals a full-on B2W2 treatment, they'll be worth a buy.

>>385149403
2 was easily the worst gen until HGSS happened

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>>385154148
I can't imagine actual adults coming up with these terms yet here we are.

>>385150560
>it was painful to waste 40-50min in repetitive minigames to EV train each Pokémon
You didn't seriously use Super Training to max out a mon did you? Dude, you use hordes for mass EV training and Super training for precision.

>>385144951
The amount of piracy on the DS was orders of magnitude higher than the 3DS. It has to be the most pirated successful handheld of all time

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