Path of Exile - Fall of Oriath

>Are they going to fix the trading mechanics
No. There are currently no released plans detailing even a minor change to trading mechanics at present.
However, they have been aware for a while that many people are displeased with the Trade system and have something "In the works."
In my opinion, they will continue to have something in the works until the game dies and never release it because it doesn't exist.

>>385143763

damn. that's disappointing.

>>385143620
I hate that the game is so reliant on that stuff if you want to be efficient/have a proper build, because aside from that its a great game

>>385143620
they are never going to remove player trading, get over it or fuck off. there is never going to be an auction house stop asking.

>>385144723
I never said that I want them to remove trading. Also, there currently is an auction house.

>poe.trade

>>385144723


>they are never going to remove player trading, get over it or fuck off. there is never going to be an auction house stop asking.


He never said that tho, stop trying to create fake drama

Time to start playing again I think. Haven't touched it for 2 years. Played Grim Dawn but the micro stutter of the shit old engine takes a lot of enjoyment out of the game. Not that PoE is well optimized either, but its better atleast.

What is wrong with trade exactly? It's pretty much AH with some minimal busywork thrown in. Unless you're one of those retards buttblasted about someone being afk or (((price fixing))).

havent touched it for two years or so

but will definitely start playing again when the addon hits

>>385144930
You have to do it manually (whisper each player and ask them, wait for them to reply and then go to them in the game environment) instead of just being able to have people buy directly from your stash.

>>385144891
>fake drama
everytime trade gets brought up it inevitably leads to "waaahh i don't know how trade works cater to my needs now"

trading is perfect only morons can't figure it out and how to take advantage of it. the only people that complain about it are babies who are used to mmos catering to them by having auction house type trading posts.

>>385144930
Because it's currently an Auction House, along with multiple other problems.
>Contact the first 20-some-odd people with listings (since you can't buy directly)
>No response, AFK, "In lab" (and goes offline when done), Do Not Disturb, "Sold" (but stays up for another 20 hours+
These are all issues that would not exist and make trading infinitely better if they finally just integrated something equivalent to .trade.
Or they could cut off .trade and force people to actually interact. This middling ground is worthless.

Looks like we have a GGG developer in this thread now. He's probably rallying the troops as I type this. I give it 3 minutes before there are 5+ GGG developers in this thread doing damage control.

>>385145113
oh shut the fuck up. there's more that goes into trading than that. i often get people to come down off a price. sometimes we trade for gear of equal value. the trading system is a non issue and i wish good goy games would tell you all to fuck off and leave it at that

the only issue with the economy is that it's dead in the permanent leagues and it dies down and is harder to make currency in the later stages of a temp league. if you're not a dumb nigger you can make tons of currency easily in the first month of a league

>>385145113
If they made it possible to buy directly from other players stash, there would be literally no player interaction. Forcing players to interact makes the game social.

>>385145113
You don't want that. You think you do, but you don't.

>>385143620
>not playing exclusively Hardcore Solo Self Found
what are you, casul?

>>385145396
>i often get people to come down off a price

No you do not. Stop lying.

>>385145113
So its basically Warframe's trading system then?

>>385145491
>Hi, I would like to buy your (Item) listed for (Price) in (League) (stash tab (tab name); position: (x), (y))
>Invited to hideout party
>Enter hideout
>someone initiates trade
>mouse-over, accept
>T4T
>Leave party
Yes, amazing interaction.

>>385145491
>being this deluded.

Do you work for GGG?

>>385145719
>he's never initiated conversation with one of the dudes he traded with and grouped up for maps
>he is a socially awkward faggot who can't do small talk

of course if you are an autist and can't make conversation then yeah thats how trading goes but a normal functioning human being can say hey man hows your day going what build are you running?

>>385145396
There is nothing that would stop you from being able to whisper a player who has an item for sell in their stash and make an offer to reduce their price. All we want is the option to buy direct from the stash of other players without having to interact with them.

>>385145692
yes, i do. stop being a dumb nigger

Just move to China

>>385145929
>All we want is the option to buy direct from the stash of other players without having to interact with them.

You don't want that. You think you do, but you don't.

>>385145929
>we
it's a non issue. the system is perfectly fine

>>385143620
Before trading I would like then to fix the game before level 50, you can't do anything, it's boring as fuck...

and after that, level 90+ with total invincibility until a random instakill move

>>385145945
pics or it didn't happen.

>>385143620
I'm super hype for this and haven't decided on a starter build yet

>>385146138
>taking pics of regular interactions
oh no, this delusional anon won't believe me and now my anonymous reputation is damaged forever

>>385145491
Trying to get some cunt to give me fair market value for something isn't player interaction nor is whispering 5 afk cunts trying to get the item i need.
TL;DR you're a cunt!

>>385146276
>confirmed bullshit

you don't regularly talk people down from their price. stop lying on the internet.

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>a game where grinding out gear is a major part of the gameplay, except the drop chances on anything are so low you'll never get anything you're ever going to use yourself to drop

>>385146370
how will i ever recover?

>>385146263
i always do srs zombie summoner for a build starter, easy to get running with zero investment and can carry you all the way to late game. or flameblast totems or some shit.

>>385146341
Those 5 afk cunts will never reply to you. They were put there to trick new players into pricing their items too low.

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Oh good, a PoE thread, I was just thinking about this game. I was wondering if anyone had any good insight on the ARPG genre as a whole.

I spent like 5 years playing D2 back in its hayday, it was the first game I was really, really into. But going back into it (and other games of the genre) today, I find the entire experience lacking.

I played PoE recently and got to like level 80, cleared whatever Hell difficulty is called, got to mapping and whatnot. Basically the entire point of the genre, in any game, is to get to max level and get best-in-slot gear. I watched people who play the game and get world first level 100s and whatnot, and basically the best strategy is to AoE down entire maps while using movement abilities as fast as possible in order to maximize your farming/grinding speed. In terms of things that can kill you, things are either trivial or just can 100%-0% you if they get the right mixture of bad things(tm) on them. This doesn't matter at all if you're max level and/or not on hardcore (which seems like a task in insanity when any random power outage or technical issue can kill hundreds of hours of work)

Like, is this a fun thing to do? I realize that in PoE it's much harder to get GG gear as BiS items are rares and not hard-coded uniques as in D2 but like, basically to be the ARPG genre is literally just grinding as fast as humanly possible. The only thing that matters is going fast and doing AoEing mobs down as fast as possible. That's it. That's the game. Why do you do it? So you can get better gear to AoE some more stuff. Is there something I'm missing or is this just something that people like?

>>385144881
poe.trade still requires you to make each trade yourself, by hand. its just a convenient way to find someone who's selling what you're buying, or someone who's buying what you're selling.

honestly, i dont think the game would benefit from an auction house. it would probably fuck up the market even more than it already is.

>>385146575
Why can't they just put poe.trade into the game and give players the option to directly buy an item from another player's stash without forcing them to whisper that player and go get it manually?

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>>385146556
nice blog post

>>385146742
>muh vision

The game is supposed to be centered around bartering. If they did that, literally no bartering would happen. The creators of the game would have to admit that their initial concept for the game was bad.

They are never going to do that. They would rather let the game die than admit they were wrong.

>>385146556
why does anyone do anything? simple answer is killing mobs is fun and the unknown randomness of it all is exciting you never know what kind of packs you are going to get and whats going to drop.

its akin to gambling where you never know when you are going to hit a jackpot but its more interactive and less harmful. playing the odds and having the freedom to make any kind of build you can imagine is what makes path of exile in particular really amazing, ggg created a system that gives the player almost unlimited freedom to do whatever they can come up with. that kind of power is intoxicating.

>>385146742
Because it's a lot of work.
Also, apparently they don't like idea of players being able to easily exchange items, don't ask me why.

>>385144930
The lack of the restricts enacted by an auctionhouse encourages what amounts to scamming.

RMTers and other unscruptulous groups of players will buy up all the items of a specific type so they have a monopoly on them and can freely gouge. People will also list items at low prices so that other people will list them at similarly low prices but never sell, just buy up all the items that anyone lists low and resell them at three times the price.

This kind of practice would be illegal in real life, but GGG doesn't want to do anything about it because it wouldn't make them any money, it would only make their game more enjoyable.

Players also rely on third party software in order to trade. Poe.trade to search all listed items on the forums, Acquisition to list your items. There's no real excuse for GGG not making their own official version except that that don't want to put the work in. Relying on unofficial third party software leaves players vulnerable, since for instance whoever runs acquisition or poe.trade could just change things in a way that benefits themselves subtlely.

It's a matter of GGG saying 'that's good enough so what do we care' rather than trying to improve their game.

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>>385146556
>Like, is this a fun thing to do? I realize that in PoE it's much harder to get GG gear as BiS items are rares and not hard-coded uniques as in D2 but like, basically to be the ARPG genre is literally just grinding as fast as humanly possible. The only thing that matters is going fast and doing AoEing mobs down as fast as possible. That's it. That's the game. Why do you do it? So you can get better gear to AoE some more stuff. Is there something I'm missing or is this just something that people like?

yep, that's it. it gets boring extremely quickly because it's utterly pointless.
POE found a really good way around this problem with the challenge leagues - basically a ladder reset every 3 months, each with a new unique game mechanic, a ton of new challenges to complete (if you complete enough of them you get some cool cosmetic rewards on your account) and a fresh economy. if the game was just standard, it would already have died long ago.

>>385147202
>they don't like idea of players being able to easily exchange items, don't ask me why.
The easier it is to exchange items, the less they have to sit in your stash on average.
The less items meant for trade sit in your stash, the less stash space you need.
The less stash space you need, the less likely you are to buy premium stash tabs.

It's all about Jewing people, it's always like that.

I haven't played since masters update. They seem to have added a lot of shit since then, labyrinths and sub classes and all. I'll probably play it. How was the beta if anyone here played it?

>>385147202
rmt

>>385147316
Yeah I know about the leagues. I think that the fact that the game that has to reset everyone down to ground zero every 90 days is kind of telling of the game itself, is it not? If the game didn't reset at all, then I doubt that people would want to play the game all that much. You would have enough power to defeat all of the PvE enemies in the game, and then it'd be over.

>>385146742
This. I would play this game if they did this and I'm not going to play this game until they do.

>>385147305
>RMTers and other unscruptulous groups of players will buy up all the items of a specific type so they have a monopoly on them and can freely gouge.
Full blown AH makes this even easier.

> People will also list items at low prices so that other people will list them at similarly low prices but never sell, just buy up all the items that anyone lists low and resell them at three times the price.
Sucks for noobs I guess, but so does the rest of the game. Just read a guide on trading, like everything else.

>>385143620
Devs themselves said that doing something like an ingame auction house is (it objectively is) pants on head retarded. It would crash the value of the items and the game itself. They are going to improve it but not in the way you think or want.

>>385147751
>Full blown AH makes this even easier.
No it doesn't.

>tfw the promised raise spectre revamp has been pushed back yet again
t-thanks, I guess I'll just be over here enjoying these faggy golems or goddamn floating skulls for yet another league...

>>385146742
>Why can't they just put poe.trade into the game and give players the option to directly
they're too lazy probably

>and give players the option to directly buy an item from another player's stash
never.
that would completely eliminate all pretense of player interaction from the trading.

more importantly, it would also make selling large amounts of items EXTREMELY convenient and efficient, and it would make buying whatever you want super fast and easy, too. flipping things to make a profit would become a much more viable option to make money, too.
basically, trading would become even MORE overpowered than it already is, and GGG does not want that, because they would then have to adjust the game's difficulty and drop rates to the new economy to keep things roughly as they are now.

>>385147779
Strawman. That isn't what we are asking for. >>385146742

>>385147917
I don't want to interact with other players to trade. It's a gigantic time sink.

God I wish the bis items were still rares instead of gimmicky leggos.

I don't mind how trading works though, and I've never had any really unpleasant experiences with it. Everything people ITT are whining about are only real problems in Standard and playing Standard is just a straight up mistake.

I'll play some of the new skills this league but the lategame rework updates are always more interesting than the pre-endgame ones. I'm getting real bored of the current state of the tree and I'd love it if they would go back to changing the shit out of it every other patch like in beta.

>>385147889
??? Buying everything via click vs manually doing the whole hideout dance is supposed to make taking control of supply?

>>385147665
yep, that's it. there is a league (called "standard") that never resets. nobody plays there because theres no point.

>>385148159
*harder

>>385144930
People are manipulating the 3rd party trade tools that players use to manipulate the price of items by artifically listing items at low prices with no actual intent to sell them, and then instantly buying anyone who does actually list things at these prices. You know how people trade stocks with PCs using algorithmic computer trading to make money? People are already doing this in PoE, although to a lesser degree. Because items aren't actually being listed on an AH, they have zero risk of losing their items and can manipulate the price of things.

It's just like real life, you literally cannot win the game because like 0.1% of the population are playing by different rules.

>>385147202
are you retarded? do you know what ease of access would do to the economy?
imagine if storage costs, transport costs suddenly didn't exist in real life. everyone got everything teleported to them instantly the moment they wanted it. Absolutely everything would crash in value.

>>385148131
>I don't want to interact with other players to trade. It's a gigantic time sink.
that is literally the point. if that time sink was removed, trading would be more powerful, people would acquire items and currency even faster, and the whole economy would change as a result. GGG doesnt want that, they want trading to have downsides in order to keep it from being overpowered.

>>385146556
The endgame has some degree of direction now with the Atlas. Getting through the guardians and then shaper is actually hard unless you're playing cheesy flavor of the month builds. The problem is that getting there is harder than the actual maps and bosses because the map drop system is fucking retarded and even 8 mod dangerous as fuck maps will give you fuckall for returns.

>>385148463
Yeah, just like everything crashed in value when people invented trains and freight ships. Kys

>>385147665
It's not that it has to reset, it's that everyone wants resets.

>>385148509
>The problem is that getting there is harder than the actual maps and bosses because the map drop system is fucking retarded and even 8 mod dangerous as fuck maps will give you fuckall for returns.

just trade for maps bro :^)

>>385148313
But I like this aspect. When I fuck up and list something too low, a pack of vultures instantly spams me with messages to kindly let me know I screwed up. It's awesome.

>>385145885
>kicks out of party
>blocks

>>385148617
Yeah but the point is that the reason people want it to reset is because the entire point of the game is actually to grind, once you're done grinding the game is over, you don't actually get to do anything with the stuff you've grinded except grind some more. That's why it has to reset, so there is more stuff to grind

>>385148612
are you retarded?
do you not realize the extreme decline in value of goods that has been the result of technology making transportation faster and cheaper?

The problem is that the developers are determined to mandate bartering as the in-game system of trade.

Bartering only worked when it existed because no more sophisticated methods of trade existed at the time when bartering took place. But now there are more sophisticated methods of trade and by mandating the game use bartering as a means of trading items in the game, the developers are only forcing players to use 3rd party software to compensate for the developers having their head up their ass.

Nobody has time to barter. It's a gigantic waste of time and the only reason the developers insist it take place is because they believe it will force their player base to socialize and are in denial about the fact that it doesn't.

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Back at launch I got a chance to talk with Chris Wilson (the guy that runs the company) personally. We discussed PoE, mechanics, d2, blizzard, and his design philosophy, and I learned his favorite class.

AMA

>>385148785
that's the ARPG genre. you grind for gear, then use that gear to get better at grinding, then you grind for more gear, then use more gear to get even better at grinding, then you do it all again.

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RIP

>>385148903
Where does he sleep at night?

if you don't play self-found HC get the fuck out of my face. all that currency can be used to make your own shit, so who cares about trading you fucking autist.

now the real problem with the game is they forgot to make the gameplay fun. all the graphics/VA/atmosphere/mechanics etc are great, sure. but the skill gems are all fucking boring.

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>>385148903
>AMA

>>385148891
>he only reason the developers insist it take place is because they believe it will force their player base to socialize

no. they insist on it because they want to avoid the complications that instantaneous and automated trading would bring to the in-game economy.

>>385148785
Don't be retarded.

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>>385148612
here's an easy to digest example for a bird brain like you
>auction house is introduced
>items that previously only retained some value because people didn't feel like spending time selling them and were instead destroyed can now be dumped into the stash for a minimal price and forgotten about forever
>literally everyone does this because there's zero reason not to
>item is now worthless

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>>385148982
Yeah, and the entire point is that the entire ARPG genre is irredeemably shit,

>>385149134
GGG developer detected

>damage control

>>385148992
What did they change?

>>385149180
but some people like grinding

>>385149159
Nothing wrong with cheap items

>>385149134
instantaneous and automated trading do not bring unmanageable complications to an economy.

>>385149159
Oh no! You have to sell your 1c helmet for alch now, what a tragedy.
Or you could you know, git gud.

>>385149259
Some people also like going to gay bars, going to the bathrooms, laying down in the open urinals and asking people to piss on them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troughman

Does liking such a thing mean that it's not shit?

>>385149248
they nerfed ES

>>385149134
Eve Online has instantaneous and automated trading and that game economy is thriving. The real problem here is that Chris Wilson doesn't understand economics and he has surrounded himself with yes men too chickenshit to bring his ignorance of economics to his attention.

>>385149548
ES was broken.

>>385149797
WI wasnt broken though

>>385149409
they make trading easier, reduce transaction costs (in the form of time) massively, enable high-volume flipping for profit, ...


>>385149681
eves (like many other games) was designed around such a trade system from the beginning, POE was not.

>>385149429
There is no objective shit. Whether something is shit or not is completely subjective.

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>>385150161

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>>385143620

/v/ :clap: normies :clap: and :clap: weebs :clap: stay :clap: away :clap: from :clap: my :clap: gamefu :clap:

>>385149836
Maybe now that you don't double dip on converting it to fire and casting it off scorching ray it's not broken enough for how the game is now.

If WI does reasonable damage it'll always be good in hardcore where the ground ice is super valuable.

>>385150212
Not true. It would be tough to argue that there would be any upside in not having any arms, or eyes, or ears. Having those things is objectively better then not having them.

In this manner you can judge things objectively as to whether they are shit or not. And trust me, AoE-speed-clear-flash-farm-grinding the game is indeed objectivly shit.

>>385150401
>implying 90% of that time wasn't sitting around waiting for players to respond to your whispers

>>385150401
If it were your gamefu, you would play it through standalone client.

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>>385150401
Oh, look out, I'm coming to your gamefu!

>>385150502
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotemnophilia

>>385150420
it does reasonable damage but now you have to put more points into ES instead of stacking INT so you dont get 1 shot by everything since you have to stand still to cast and VP doesnt work with ES anymore

ill still play it anyway since its my favorite build

>>385150636
I switched to the steam client on one of the many occasions the standalone client was slow as fuck to patch.

>>385150401
I always love the folks on /v/ that aggressively talk shut on poe in unrelated threads and then go on to praise Grim Dawn or even D3. Please continue eating shit, I'll continue to enjoy one of the only decent game communities left in 2017.

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>>385143620
Since you haven't played in a while, you might have missed an update to trading. Get a premium tab, set it as public then set the items at whatever price you want.

The items are then up on poe.trade for anyone to look at.

The trade system is totally fine and not a total whore because you dont have to scour through endless trade channels.

>I cant afford a premium tab
Ok, then you deserve to use the shit trade feature.

Trade is insanely easy and not a bot-whorefest that was D3 during the AH days.

The trade itself is easy, just copy-paste. My only complaint is with poe.trade. It should have a filter for the amount of time an item has been listed. Most that have been listed for over a week are people who are never getting back on. I would love to be able to filter it down to just X days/ hours since the item was posted.

>>385151016
Do I still have to whisper another player, wait for that player to respond to my whisper and then go to that player to buy an item from them?

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>>385150401

>>385151152
Yes.

Its annoying when people aren't there.

Its good because it is some level of a deterrent against botting.

>>385150420
wait what? maybe I'm retarded, I never played WI, but double dip changes should have no effect on SR cwc, because it's does not rely on ignite, unless you were using emberwake.

>>385151331
>Yes.

Then I'm not playing it.

>>385150734
Not everyone gets an equal vote in determining what's shit and what isn't shit. People who are fucked in the head's votes literally do not matter. Not all opinions are equal. No one cares what the pope knows about sending a rocketship to mars. No one cares what people with that disorder know about what is or isn't objectively shit.

>>385151152
You still whisper six guys and buy it from the first person to get back to you, yes.

Luckily the itemisation in this game has gone to shit so you're just buying copies of uniques from whoever has them instead of actually specific items 90% of the time.

>>385151431
@anon Hi, I would like to buy your Reach of the Council Spine Bow listed for 95 chaos in Legacy (stash tab "shop2"; position: left 1, top 8)

It aint hard nigga.

There's also a self-found mode for faggots like you.

>>385151545
>People who are fucked in the head's votes literally do not matter.

They do not matter to you.
>ftfy

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>>385150982
ikr this board is only good for circlejerking trans boypucci JRPGs and flavor of the month + paid shills

>>385151216

my man!

>>385151382
they nerfed pyre from 100% to 40% conversion

>>385151564
Your game sucks

>>385151714
Your waifu sucks

TRIPLE SLAMMIN DONGERS

>>385151616
They do not matter when it comes down to figuring out what is shit and what is not shit. Just like how the illiterate don't matter when it comes to figuring out what the best books are. This is a simple concept that you seem to have a really hard time understanding. Or maybe you just don't want to admit that it's possible to say that something is indeed objectively shit. (Hint: it is)

>>385151564
You left out about 9 steps. The fact of the matter is that when you decide that you want to replace the gear you're wearing, it will take you about 2-4 hours to replace it. Then you level for an hour or two and then you need to replace your gear again.

You'll spend more time trying to get people to trade with you than you will actually fighting monsters.

>>385151915
>can't into comprehending what subjective means

there is no such thing as objective truth. Everything you believe is objective truth is only objectively true to you, subjectively.

>>385152059
>dude how can ANYONE know anything about anything like what if we're all just on a snowflake in some other universe *hits bong*

yeah you lose. GG no re

>>385143763
Just spend 2 bucks on a premium tab and use poe trade

>>385151916
After farming and trading for a head hunter I decided to play SSF.

>>385151916
Are you trading while leveling?

Get to 70 then get good gear.

Spam 50 whispers then just map.

Yall some casual pussies

>>385151916
Are you a Blizzard shill or something? I just run with whatever I find until maps, then buy some <5c shit and farm till engame stuff.

>>385151916
for me it's about 40% trading and 60% leveling.

>>385150401
>>385151216
>PoE on Steam
I knew /v/ was retarded, but this is too much...

>>385152342
What's your problem with PoE on Steam?

>>385152271
No, I'm not a Blizzard shill. But if I was, I would lie about not being a Blizzard shill, wouldn't I? So you see, your question is extremely fucking retarded.

Is the end game still idling at home base waiting for trade PMs?

>>385152560
The fact that you responded to an offhand remark, which only purpose was to punctuacte how fucking retarded was the shit you wrote, just convinced me that you are, in fact, a Blizzard shill.

>>385152194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-yLH4bXAI

>>385152857
Fuck you

>>385152762
the end game is running nothing but shaped strand and shaped mesa until you get carpal tunnel and deep vein thrombosis

>>385152978
gg
>walks off in victory dance

>>385152807
>which only purpose was to punctuacte how fucking retarded was the shit you wrote
>how fucking retarded was the shit you wrote

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>My build is dead in 3.0

What's her name /v/?

>>385153393
Flame Sentinels.

>>385153393
whispering ice ;_;

>>385153393
More like the build you copied from forums is dead.

>>385153595
That might be true, but I loved the gutterslut anyways

>>385153393
Vortex ignite.

>download game
>finish all acts
>every piece of armor looks like shit
>check out the shop
>$30 costumes

Holy fucking shit.

>>385154192
>free game

>>385153393
CwC Chaostorm.

>>385154192
just play a build with unique armor that looks good

>>385153393
Mine's not. :^)

>>385155027
Fuck you totem nigger.

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>>385155061
Wrong. Here's a hint.

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Will 3.0 still have the atlas and shaper? I'm kind of worried that if I don't finish up end game I won't ever get to play it.

>>385155761
Yes, but the layout of some maps may change. They have not released full details on this yet, mentally deficient frogwizard.

>>385155761
Yea, they dont remove shit. Only thing that is going away is Legacy Gear lottery

Bosses in this game are really fucking hard man. This Malachai keeps 1 shotting me no matter what.

>>385155761
shaper will always be in the game

same with lab

>>385146907
>The game is supposed to be centered around bartering

>Offer?
>Give offer
>low ball noob fuck off ignored

bullshit barter mechanics

>>385150401
>>385151216
I only have 1k hours ;_; Am I still worthy?

>>385156464
>Go to poe.trade
>copy paste
>guy sends invite
>trade
>leave

What are you idiots doing? I trade with Ruskies all day who cant or wont speak english but it works fine

>>385156148
Resistances in this game is the most valuable thing you can get. Malachai in particular has mostly phys/fire damage, the tentacles deal cold though.

If you're playing this for the first time I greatly recommend focusing on capping your resistances (75%) and getting life.

A seething flask (instant heal) is also very nice to have. You can roll one with alteration/auguments, or settle for a bubbling if you get one before.

>>385153393
RF Chieftain

>>385156148

you can skip malachai on merciless and go straight to farming if you didn't already know.

>>385156791
They're gonna be even more important whenever 3.0 hits, from my time in the beta I was at about 50% fire res, the stacking ignites from the totems were making me take over 3k damage a second, resistance is gonna be super fucking important for the new acts.

>>385156778
>go to poe.trade
>search for item with the stats I need
>see what is available
>search wiki to see what the base of each item is
>finally decide which item on poe.trade I want
>copy to clip board
>tab into the game, press enter and control v
>wait.
>wait some more
>no reply
>Press control v again
>wait.
>wait some more
>sigh.
>alt tab out of the game
>search poe.trade for next best item
>copy to clipboard
>tab into game
>press control v
>wait.
>wait some more.
>go make hot pockets
>come back
>still no reply
>tab out, go to poe.trade and select third best item to clipboard
>tab into game
>press control v
>wait.
>wait some more.

How is this fun?

>>385153393
It was killed in Legacy.
Self-cast Pyre Vortex.

>>385146384

Thats true for every first character you play in a new league. But when you start getting good uniques when you're mapping, even when those uniques don't fit your current character you can start thinking how you can utilize this unique with your next character.

>>385153393
It's been dead for a while.
WORMBLASTER

>PoE thread
>Immediately devolves into autistic children whining about everything under the sun

Guess I'll just return to Reddit. :^)

>>385157427
it isn't.

>>385157427
>not spamming everyone with a similar item and just running maps while waiting

How did you manage to install PoE?

>>385157472
You can just use three dragons or those gloves. It's even better, because it works with EE.

>>385157589
Buy a Kitava Supporter Pack while you're at it. That'll really stick it to us!

>>385157589

please do

>>385157660
I've never done a single map. According to steam, I've spent over 1000 hours playing PoE. I've spent about 80% of that time alt-tabbed out of the game looking at poe.trade and the wiki.

>>385146556

>Like, is this a fun thing to do? I realize that in PoE it's much harder to get GG gear as BiS items are rares and not hard-coded uniques as in D2 but like, basically to be the ARPG genre is literally just grinding as fast as humanly possible. The only thing that matters is going fast and doing AoEing mobs down as fast as possible. That's it. That's the game. Why do you do it? So you can get better gear to AoE some more stuff. Is there something I'm missing or is this just something that people like?

I play Solo Self-Found Hardcore and I try to figure out new experimental builds all the time. For me the enjoyment comes out from figuring out a viable build by myself with some new crazy way of clearing the content. Finding the best build online and just playing that is boring in comparison.

Some ideas are better than others and some of them fail. But then I can later try the idea again with some changes and tweaks. The fact that it is hard and you don't always succeed is what makes it interesting in the first place.

>>385157589
And stay there.

Will poe 3.0 beat botw as goty?

>>385158136
Breath of the Wild was already beat by a team of Australians.

>>385157660
new players update their items from trade every 10 levels. They look for four socket items at level 20 and blow all their currency on two pieces of gear that is obsolete two hours later. Then, they grind the same area until they are severely overleveled looking for currency to buy new gear, but the gear has to be perfect. 4 sockets, the right color and the right stats. After level 60, they're frustrated and mad and then they quit.

>>385158248
I refuse to believe this.

why does it keep getting content? is it really that good?

>>385158389
You must work for GGG then.

>>385157928
You are autistic and that's not an insult, just a statement

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>>385158248
holy shit you are right

>>385157928

>>385158248
New players don't use poe.trade period.

>>385158842
yes they do. I new about poe.trade before I installed the game.

>>385157928

>I've never done a single map.

Then why are you worrying about trading? You can easily clear the game's content up to that point without trading.

>>385158248
yeah I always make a sell tab with leveling gear.

>>385158906
>You can easily clear the game's content up to that point without trading.

bullshit. I have every item wit four sockets, support gems for my zombies and I still died to Dominus and Piety even though I was 8 levels overleveled.

>>385158905
That means you did research before playing and surely didn't grind to buy 20 lvl gear and then quit, right?

I played marvel heroes when it wasn't a console game, is poe any good familias? can I get a quick rundown?

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>>385159047
>zombies

>>385158248
I can confirm this. I make a lot of money off of these idiots.

>>385159047
use summon raging spirits. zombies are just there as a meat shield

>>385159047
Poe is not balanced and never will be, you chose a bad leveling skill and thus had to suck some dick, no big deal.

>>385159083
I learned of PoE existing in a thread on /v/ and installed it while reading the thread. It wasn't possible to not be aware of the existence of poe.trade having learned of PoE existing in a thread on /v/.

>>385159047
switch to SRS

>>385159047
>died to Dominus
Is it 2013 again?

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>>385159047

>bullshit. I have every item wit four sockets, support gems for my zombies and I still died to Dominus and Piety even though I was 8 levels overleveled.

1000 hours on PoE and you still die to Dominus and Piety?

Here's a hint for Merciless difficulty: By the time you're level 68-70, you should have at least 4000 health or ES and resistances better be capped. If they're not, your build sucks.

>>385159386
don't even pretend like you didn't die to him the first time you fought him.

>>385159468
Yeah, but only because the game desynced back then. Since the game actually works now, I never died a single time to a boss, whose only source of damage is a big slam.

>>385159457
>By the time you're level 68-70, you should have at least 4000 health

And how do you do that from just using the gear you find while you're playing?

>>385159457
He didn't spend 1000 hours playing. He spent 200 hours playing and 800 hours reading.

>>385159347
And what percent of new players learn about poe from 4chan? You're the minority, friend.

>>385159786
You pick only life nodes while leveling. Also, now that there are essences and masters, it's not even hard to get decent life gear.

>>385159728
>Rain of Blood
>new players, no bleed resist, every time.

>>385159786

You can do that with self-found gear, and building your passive tree right.

Health- and ES nodes> damage-nodes> Armor-evasion rating nodes> utility nodes. 4000 is the minimum required, its the amount that prevents you from getting instakilled by most abilities.

>>385159457
Oh boy nice job suggesting he spends more time trading for useless shit before maps. Both those things are literally just gear and not your build.

All you need to do is use skills that stand on their own without gear, like SRS if you're making a summoner and use decoy totems to make literally everything pre-endgame safe. Life and resists do wonders for helping you survive when you take damage but you don't really need to take damage until way later.

>>385158248
I don't understand what's wrong with any of that

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>>385159992
You seem to believe this place is some super sekret klub
>it isn't.

http://www.4chan.org/advertise

>>385160204
>blowing all of your currency on two items that are obsolete 2 hours later.

Did they ever put out some qol fixes for spectres? My best build was a necromancer with zombies and fireball ribbon spectres.

>>385160204
You don't actually need to stop and consider your gear and shop for replacements until maps. You're literally just wasting time and money by doing it.

>>385160260
Jesus. When the fuck did this place become mainstream?

>>385160260
>30% female

Why are women so afraid of this place?

>>385160448
You're only saying that because you're familiar with the game. A new player has no idea what to expect in the next area and so they want to get the best gear they can get in the hope of being prepared for it. The act of being prepared for the unknown can be a huge distraction that leads to hours of searching poe.trade for gear and discovering the existence gear and then reading about that gear in the wiki.

>>385160260
holy hell. This place might as well be reddit.

I need to find a new place to discuss vidya. This place is too plebeian now.

>>385160204

Because you don't need to trade before things actually start getting difficult. And things actually start getting tough in maps.

Bare in mind next expansion might change that, nobody has any clue how tough the last Acts are going to be. But right now you can clear Normal, Cruel and 90% of Merciless with whatever gear you found. That remaining 10% you can clear after you've leveled yourself to 80 by doing maps.

>>385160260
I didn't know poe general was all of 4chan, you dumb fuck.

>>385161092
>Page impressions per month: 703,000,000

>>385160778

>A new player has no idea what to expect in the next area

A player with 1000 hours on PoE isn't new anymore. Doing newbie mistakes by that point hints that the player has refused to learn the game and wants the trading system to play his game for him.

Why do you think everyone is excited about the new PoE expansion? Because it offers new content in the middle of leveling and people have to learn new things again. And learning new things involves a lot of failure and trying again. Thats the fucking point of playing games.

>>385160778
OR they just go on playing the game without googling or poe.trading or whatever.

>>385160778
poe.trade is not even officially part of the game.
If you are using out of game resources such as poe.trade and wiki, you should also read up on how and when to actually use them.
I.e. people wasting their time buying trash items have only their stupidity to blame. It's hard not to notice that the game is easy as shit until late mercilless/maps.

>>385161168
Are you retarded? Those stats are for the whole 4chan site.

>>385160701
It's an anonymous imageboard.
No pics, no attention.

>>385160778
My approach has always been to stop and prepare only once you are proven unprepared and you have some idea of what to prepare for.

>people falling for the PoE meme

it's a shit game, head over to /poeg/ to find out HOW SHIT

if a shitty game correlates to a shitty general then my god you'll find /poeg/ is one of the shittiest generals in /vg/

game is similar too warframe in that the only thing left to do is grind for shitty loot on shitty drop rates

>>385162974
This is a bad metric because every general is pure shit while there are some decent games.

>>385163109
every general you visit is shit maybe, get some better taste fag

>>385161445
Are you retarded? Divide those stats by the number of boards on 4chan and that's still MILLIONS of people viewing /v/ each year.

>>385163282
>thinks there are decent vidya generals
>thinks poe is shit
There is definitely a connection here.

>>385162719

Then good news for you, you don't need to use the trading system to beat every aspect of the game. You can beat the Shaper with good enough build and enough grinding. It is difficult but possible.

Do yourself a favor and next time click that "Solo Self-Found"-league button when you start a new character. Now you can't trade even if you want to. Now that you can't rely on a crutch, you can finally start learning how to properly walk. Play the Softcore first if you're new to the content so you can scout ahead for potential tough bosses or areas before playing Hardcore mode.

>>385163519
and that's assuming that everybody goes to each board evenly. I seriously doubt that /n/ gets as many views as /v/.

I wish trading didn't exist and rare finds meant something. Buying rare shit off people sucks. Theres nothing to it.

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>>385150982
There's nothing wrong with trying other ARPGs after being done with the current league, though. I always go back to PoE, but still.

>>385162974
poeg is one of the better generals on /vg/

because its so dead

>>385164192
>no trading
>99% of dropped rares are worthless to you

>>385164192
PoE has a self-found only mode, right?

>>385164384

Build your next character with the uniques you have in mind. There, problem solved.

>>385163843
You're really fucking autistic aren't you? I've been playing since closed beta.

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whats the rarest drop you've ever had?

>>385164653
>uniques you have in mind
>99.9% of dropped uniques are trash and chance you will find a unique you want is absolutely rare as fuck

>>385157583
Wormblaster was never a build by itself, it's an engine for builds.

>>385164730
I've had the offering and last one standing (shavs and atziris disfavour)

>>385164192
Play solo SF. Tons of people get to shaped maps on budget builds so if you can't do it, it's you, not the game.

>>385164730
The Brittle Emperor card

after close to 1200 hours.

lol

>>385164750

>and chance you will find a unique you want is absolutely rare as fuck

It if wouldn't be rare it wouldn't be valuable. Play Diablo 3 if you want to find easy uniques. Because thats fucking fun right? That each character plays the exact same way every single time.

>>385164730
two mirrors from the same chest.

>>385165046
why would people play the exact same way every single time?

>>385164730
Abberath's, in Cells. Started running it more since then.

>>385165068
bullshit.

>>385165120

I don't know, ask D3 players why they enjoy it.

>>385164730
fishing rod

>>385164730
A Kaom's Heart.

>>385162974
If it wasn't for the moba and mobile game generals then /poeg/ would absolutely be the worst general on /vg/.

what loot filters do you guys use? whats the best or are they all good in their own way ?

>>385164730
ive played every league / long race since 2011 and i dropped shavs once, it was at the end of a league though so it was basically useless

>tradefags
>not playing self found from the start
>not leveling as RF
I've got a ridiculous amount of hours and never beat merciless. Had fun though, just gotta stop till the next league when I run out of alts for dousing flasks.

>>385166706
i had two during breach

>>385166760

>I've got a ridiculous amount of hours and never beat merciless.

Wait, you mean main content or do you count maps as "merciless" too?

>>385166459
The best filter is the one tailored specifically for you. If you're lazy then Neversink's is pretty good and isn't filled with eye cancer.

>>385167186
I mean I fell in love with righteous fire at the start and now I have 1022 hours and I have never beat every act on merc. I'm not counting when I did it SC once.

>>385167257
sweet as, cheers.

>>385167443
what the fuck are you even doing then?

Do you have downs syndrome or something?

>>385167443

Theres no real point beating Merciless Malachai anyway. Doing the first two missions in Act 4 and then mapping is the way everyone goes. Then when you have mapped yourself to level 80, you can just steamroll the rest of the Act 4 if you want to beat Merciless Malachai just for fun.

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>>385153393
Poison bladefall trap.

>>385167586
I guess I suck and play on potato. Have you ever leveled RF from 18?

>>385143620
I like this game, but have absolutely no interest in spending my time to get into trading with local jews, which seems to be the only way to proper gear for high tier maps. Although still going to check out new acts.

>>385164730
I've gotten 7exs to drop over a time period of around 15,000 hours. That's literally all. My luck is so shit, I have to rely on grinding and selling tons of low tier shit, I get almost no big money items ever, the best I can usually hope for is a tabula dropping or something like that, or farm prophecies and pray for a good one to resell like twice enchanted. Whoever says luck isn't a skill is a fucking retard, luck is real and my luck stat is 0 both in real life and in video games, and it feels real bad man.

>>385168361
your situation is literally impossible if you would just play a meta build

>>385168471
I have played meta builds and have 3 level 100s and dozens of 90+s.

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>>385168361
>I've gotten 7exs to drop over a time period of around 15,000 hours.
Nigga thats just fucking bullshit even if you divide the amount of hours by 10.

>>385168281
depends on your definition of proper gear
you can kill shaper with 2 ex gear, it's just that those builds are rather vanilla
basically it goes like this:
-it's good
-it's cheap
-it's fun
You can only have two of these.

Turmoil is boring compared to Mayhem.

>>385168563
been playing since 2012, most leagues not casually, either. I am now a 30+ with no job and absolutely nothing but spare time, reaching numbers like that is not any achievement.

>>385168734
the funniest thing is they give beta keys as a prize even though the beta ends in about a week

>>385168734
They had to tone it down because it isn't voided and everything in it will end up in standard, but then again who the fuck gives a shit about standard? Its economy will always be terrible.

>>385168281

You can beat all the content with good enough build and semi-decent gear. Problem with Solo Self-Found just is that it takes much longer to do so. But if you're fine with that and content with the fact you beat it all in the first place, then that shouldn't be an issue.

https://youtu.be/9_bZ_dFSST8

New boss promo. GGG seems to have a thing for chicks with multiple arms.

>>385164730
Void Battery.
I've gotten shavs and kaoms but only Void Battery once and at the time people had forgotten it was a good item so it was worth something like 20c.

>>385168757
15k hours and only 7 ex? U must be an over exaggerating piecr of shit.

>>385169634
>2 Mana Flasks on a setup that doesn't even remotely need 1
>Act 9, well after getting access to plenty of Flask rewards
>Whichever Reactionary Gem that is + Curse on hit Warlord's Mark
>Doing so little damage means she either has a ton of HP or they're using a Mace from Act 5

Problem with trading is not the trade mechanics but the people. Really shitty people is almost always the issue with every game.

>>385153393

CI

>>385143620
Is melee still going to be vastly outclassed by ranged and spell builds?

>>385168361
I'm guessing ya don't run lab? It's ensured aids but if ya run full keys all day you'll get currency back, perhaps not directly but in skill gems.

>>385169634
>boss gimmick
>stay out of the tornados
>kills adds
I mean... I guess it's a boss, but that's pretty underwhelming, requires almost 0 skill to stay out of the GIANT MURDERING TORNADOS MUAHAHAHAHA, and kill shit as usual, meh act 2 boss has more going on than this thing.

>>385170086

>Doing so little damage means she either has a ton of HP or they're using a Mace from Act 5

Judging from past boss promo videos, its the latter option.

>>385169634
>no golem
y tho

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>Love trap builds
>New trap related unique chest is announced
>Its fucking shit because it conflicts with mechanics that are in 90% of trap builds
GGG really needs to start playing their fucking game.

>>385170739
>As long as you can keep tossing traps at enemies, Tinkerskin provides powerful recovery mechanisms... and the increased cooldown recovery means you'll always have a trap ready to go.
>Ahn's Herritage
>Ahn's Might works particularly well with Cyclone
Nothing excuses this level of retardation from a community manager.
>Speaker's Wreath
And this reeks of the development hell they put Support Uniques through.

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It seems newfags will be getting some help.

>>385171205
Wreath actually doesn't look bad for an MF build as long as you don't use SRS...which are the strongest summons, unfortunately.

>>385171205
>Nothing excuses this level of retardation from a community manager.
Do you seriously think community managers actually play games they work with?

>>385171243
I find it funny nothing in that text mentions the original phrase of Divination Cards being a way to grind out something specific you want.
Since their drop rates are awful.

>>385171538
they nerfed divination card boxes a couple times as well, never see them anymore

>>385171538
They're great for getting tabulas.

>>385171505
No of course not, but I expect them to know enough not to make stupid statements and to at least understand the concept of statistical matching.
>Something makes Movement Skills worse
>Cyclone is a Movement Skill
>Thus, this item doesn't work well with Cyclone
And the other 2 aren't even game mechanics, they're spelling and grammar errors. Hell, Tinkerskin has 0 bonuses when you throw a trap.

>>385170283
absolutely

>>385170180
people could be avoided if there was an auction house - also stops price manipulation and hardcore flippers

>>385168563
it's not that bullshit, people don't get a single ex in several leagues

>>385159786
You ignore every node that doesn't give health.

>>385171705
Yeah until 3.0 where you can only grind Aquaducts once at level 33'ish

yes i know channel maps are a thing but why the fuck would you waste time in there

>>385171963
There will be aqueduct in Act 9, where I assume it will drop as well. Channel is not bad either after you learn how it's layout works. I've been shaping it actually, because of the card.

>>385171706

Would work if the item gives huge amount of benefit in return. Same idea behind Concentrated Effect but in movement abilities. But those benefits have to be pretty huge.

path of life nodes!!!

>all those faggots that are selling multiple copies of the same item for way cheaper than its supposed to be, just so they can trick other people into selling it for the same price
This is basically just scamming but since trading is not an inherent part of the game, its not illegal


>you wanna start spamming map runs but you need 5-10 different items to do it
>have to go through 10 people for each item because the rest are afk or are just flat out ignoring you because they cant get arsed to do the deal they listed for 1 alch
The game's trade system is fine for big ticket items but when you're just trying to get maps or small value currency items, this shit can get very tedious very fast

>>385172239
that's why hardcore is aids. Had a lot more fun doing retard builds in shitcore

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>>385172182
>shaping channel over arid lake just for tabula cards

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>>385165068
you're not fooling anybody meemer

>>385174257
I'd rather pick up my free 30c at the start of the league, rather than get a marginally more effcient T8 map, which I'm gonna run like 15 times in a league, before I move on.

>>385143620
Get irritated at how hard it is to get solid gear in this game without turning it into a jew simulator. Hopefully things are less annoying with the new patch.

>>385153393
It died with the AoE changes, but I feel like it needs to be said anyway.

Vaal Ice Nova with all the AoE and crit I can get my hands on. Fucking GGG cunts added radius per level to all the popular skills, but left half of them utterly butchered by the nerf.

But it was unbelievably fun. Over 1 billion xp per hour in a Poorjoys, 1 minute Dried Lake runs. It was always my second or third build of the league once people started turning in the 20q Vaal gem divination card.

>>385164730
one 6-link in over 3000 hours

it was a fucking jasper chopper

>>385180404
my only 6 link has been a tabula and I've only seen one...

>>385152416
Doesn't steam force you to to pretty much redownload the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME every time there's an update of any kind?

>>385182681
no

>>385182681
No, retards from the worst general on /vg/ are just trying to find new ways to feel superior to the 'plebs'.

However, it does have to extract and repack the gigantic 10gb+ file holding all the game assets every time the game needs an update.

>>385182681
It might as well. Updates of any size take fucking forever.

>>385143763
>NEET poorfags buttblasted because they can't afford to pay enough money for christ to buy half a small cup of coffe so they can have a good trade system.

Stay mad.

>>385145491
I have enough with global chat and /poeg/ to be honest.

I love fucking with liberals on the chat since for some reason global chat 1 is pretty right wing and everybody laugh at the nonsense they spout.

If you are not an autist you also have your friends and maybe if you are lucky an active guild (thing that is pretty rare these days).

Why the fuck do I have to be friends with a guy that is trying to rip me off taking some chaos orbs of profit when I could just say in global if someone wants to run some maps or better yet, just open a public party saying the type of maps you want to run.

Anybody who honestly asks for an auction house in this game is a complete fucking moron.

First off, this removes the "trading" part out of trading. With an auction house, the "trade" is abstracted to hell and there is no player interaction whatsoever.

Secondly, this would fuck with the ability to negotiate and offer different currencies. The currency system is specifically designed so you don't have this one and only currency that does everything and is ubiquitous.

All the game needs in terms of trading are two things:
-Basically, remake poe.trade but inside the actual game
-Start liberally banning people who speculate and fuck in the system. Fake listers and speculators are scum of the fucking earth.

And that's it, you have a perfect system.

>>385184937
Welcome back. You're still not funny.

>>385168007
No I'm not retarded

>>385185610
All you are saying is to put a player market in the game. A place or system to match buyers and sellers. Which is literally an auction house, but shittier and has all the same problems.
The game has 2 currencies, Chaos for cheap shit, and Exalted for expensive shit. The community made their own currency because there wasn't one.
And as for banning people who game the system, that goes against the basic idea of a free economy, which is what GGG wants. They don't give a shit about scammers.

>>385182681
yes it does, thats why patches take so long on steam

>tfw armor will forever be shit against anything that isn't a trash mob

>>385185610
>muh special player interaction
>I want your shit
>ok
>make deal
>bye

alternatively
>I want your shit
>no response
>I want your shit
>no response
>look someone else and repeat

woa, so meaningful game changing interaction, trully the epitome of this generation's virtual bartering

>>385187124
Matching buyers and sellers is fundamentally different from automating what would be almost the entirety of item transactions.

>hurr there is only one curency
Yes, obviously, that's why almost everyone I'e offered has taken jews/alchs/divines and sometimes even alts or chromatics instead of the listed chaos/exalts. How exactly would you modulate these exchanges using an auction house?

>as for banning people who game the system
Fake listers should be banned. Full stop.
And in terms of speculation, no banning is necessary. Just add a cooldown for an item being listed on the search engine. If you just bought something through the search system, you don't get to list it for 2-3 games.

There are literally no downsides to either of these approaches, but obviously GGG would never do something sensible to fix the shitty state of their trading system.

>>385188757
>2-3 games
meant days, fuck

>>385187476
The possibility of making some player interaction
>what build you running?
>got any other shit i need?
>want to trade item for item?
is worth a million times more than your retarded instant gratification fetish.

>>385189030
>wanna play together?
>no
>wanna be my friend?
>no
>want to roleplay as fantasy animals in oingoing erotic adventure where I made all the characters?
>user has blocked you

>>385189332
>asking questions this autistic
I can't tell if this is a joke or people actually interpret the words "striking up a conversartion" in this way.

As a matter of fact, I've grouped up and went mapping multiple times with people after doing shit like buying atziri fragments or lab offerings.

You can just keep your REEEEEEing ass in SSF if you're actually this socially inept.

>>385143620
>>385147973
Devs have explictly said that they don't want trading to be any easier than it already is.

Whatever their motivations are, they believe the state of the game where not that many people trade because it's a bit inconvenient is better than every item in the game being two clicks away.

>>385143620

>gave people a solo self found league
>didn't give people what they actually wanted, which was a solo self found league with loot re-balanced specifically in that league to make trade unnecessary so you aren't restricted to a tiny handful of builds that require 10x the grind to make work since you're gimping yourself without trade

Fuck you GGG.

>>385190271
what is the point of SSF anyway?

>>385190374

At the moment, there is no point other than e-peen size, for the reasons I outlined.

>>385190048
Regardless of your mental gymnastics and justifications, the problem is real, people don't like playing this game because trading is pretty much mandatory unless you hate yourself a lot and want to punish you by not trading, and said trading system it's not appealing to everybody. No matter what way you try to justify the problems with forced trading, there's a considerable amount of players who do not like it, period.

You people treat everything like it's doomsday, having some sort of in game tool to trade isn't going to turn this into D3, it's needs fine tunning to be perfect, but it's not the end of the world. They just need to have options for people who do not like using poe.trade or altogether don't know about it, and people who have such exciting adventures bartering with strangers like yourself.

For starters, they can add a tax to automated interactions, that way everytime you trade you lose currency, discouraging you from using the automated system and encouraging to use player to player trade. They could add a new drop, somewhat rare that allows to you post shit on the AH or to buy things from the AH, that way the trading is rather limited and you can't just go full autismo and ignore the entire community, but you can still skip some trades and avoid talking with strangers if you don't enjoy that part of the game.

This is a somewhat niche game, you can't assume that everyone is like you, some people have trouble interacting with others and they're still as much of a loser as you playing this shit for endless hours, they have as much right as you to be satisfied with the product. The designers made the game with a system in mind, an after all this years it has shown that there's still a wide discomfort with the way it works, why would they ignore a huge part of the community if they have been requesting a feature for years? how can you pretend that you know better than them what's better for them?

>>385190710
Which part of what I said is mental gymnastics or wrong in any way?

What problems are you specifically talking about?

>not everyone likes it
Yes, not everyone likes anything. This is a useless fucking statement.

And furthermore, the fact that people don't like something can simply mean that they're simple-minded cretins. People like you ruined MMOs for good.

>>385191126
how stupid can you be that you need an archaic bartering system to interact with people? if you want friends you can fucking speak in the general chat and ask the same fucking questions

>hur what build you using?
>hurt wanna trade some shit?
>hurt wanna run sum maps?

you don't need to punch everyone in the dick with fucking 10 currencies just because you "enjoy" talking when you do fucking trades

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Will they give give an actual reward for solo self found mode?

>>385191251
I don't "need" it, it's one of ths bonuses of actually trying to foster an online community.

There's literally no upside to an auction house in PoE besides the part where ADHD riddled clowns like you get to buy something with two clicks.
>game is deader
>have to create some arbitrary system for currency conversion
>speculators run fucking rampant over the markets because their time investment is reduced by 95%

How do you propose they cut 15% if I'm selling something for an exalt, by the way?

Do you also think the LFG/LFR systems were positive additions to WoW?

>installed PoE
>was about to play it
>find this thread

bullet dodged?

>>385192398
If aren't already autistically invested in the game, it isn't worth it.

>>385190710

>No matter what way you try to justify the problems with forced trading, there's a considerable amount of players who do not like it, period.

And those people don't matter because they are essentially asking for a system that will ruin the game itself, D3 Auction House a good example of what happens when those plebs get what they want.

Theres a reason why PoE added SSF ladder and not auction-house level of smooth trading system. Because the whole fucking point of the game is for you to grind and find that stuff yourself. If it would be too easy to find the stuff you want, there would be no point playing the game because your character already has everything you would ever want.

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WHY AM I ALWAYS LATE FOR THE GOOD /v/ THREADS? GOD DAMN IT

>>385186938
He is right though, and honestly I never bought a stash tab and have always been self funded for years now anyway. If you want to be a part of the community and trade i dont understand why you dont want to pay $5 to one of the the greatest devs of all time.

>>385191562
I like everything about self fund except not being able to to map and level with friends, I never take the mode seriously nor should you.