*Blocks your art*

>>385143435
Siskel > Ebert

videogames are not art

>>385143527
Aroma > both

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Video games are not art nor have they ever been.

They could become art one day and are on their way to doing so but the things that are making gaming more like art are precisly the same things that are killing gaming.

Think about it. Complaining about "entitled gamers" and defending your mistakes with claims of "artistic integrety" are openings we gave them when we pushed for gaming to be respected as art. From an artisitc point-of-view, they're right. They fail because the fans have the money and reject that mentality but in doing so we are rejecting their rights as artists. Gaming media outlets recognize this and call gamers the problem with gaming, saying we're the reason gaming can't be taken seriously as an artform. And they're right, we are in the way and we should be.

As far as economic models go gaming sells more like software than art. We expect it to be patched to function properly and financial success is based on crowd pleasing. What if paintings were about crowd pleasing? Some are, others are about offending the audience. What if movies recieved regular updates? Lucas and Spelberg did that and everybody hated them, yet not only is it ok with video games, it's fucking expected.

Now when gamers think back on when games were free of all politics, full of people making them for fun and only regarded as an offball hobby for nerds is looked upon fondly by gamers as the golden age of gaming.

Every video game that /v/ has ever claimed is art is not because of the game itself. It's always either "the visuals are pretty and unique so the game is art" or "the story is so good so that makes the game art". Both of those are not unique to videogames.

That's why Ebert said if start to deconstruct a video game into piece, you might end up with something you can call an art.

Yes, video games can be art, but there a little to none examples of that. A video game as an art piece would be a gameplay carrying the story and visuls on its back, or in other words, something only a video game can do.

>>385143435
He's right though

>>385143435
Isn't that nigga dead? If he isn't he will be soon so why should I care what he thinks?

>>385143754
>full of people making them for fun and only regarded as an offball hobby for nerds is looked upon fondly by gamers as the golden age of gaming

That's right if your golden era is nintendo crap. The late 90s PC boom period was full of well written video games, that didn't shy away from subtle social commentary.

>>385143754
Games are visual art regardless of your opinion.

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>videogames are not art, they're children's toys
>anime is art
t. ebert

/v/ ETERNALLY BTFO

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>>385143754
The chair you're sitting in is art. The desk your monitor is on is art. The keyboard you're typing on is art. Everything that has ever been conceived and fabricated is art.

>>385143962
yea, he dead
his opinions hold just as much value as they did when he was alive though, because it's not any physical act that matters but the truth value of what idea he propagated into the world, in the same way Kant or Christ are dead but who's ideas hold equal or greater value to the public than when they lived

videogames aren't art

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>>385143754
>Complaining about "entitled gamers" and defending your mistakes with claims of "artistic integrety" are openings we gave them when we pushed for gaming to be respected as art.
???????????????????????????????????

Are you talking out of your fucking asshole? All art has standards and rules you dumb fuck. Do you think that artists who don't know what the fuck Loomis is are defended for their retarded symbol drawings????

One of gamings biggest problems right now is the fact that games are treated as MADE SOLELY FOR MONEY. THEY'RE FOCUS-GROUP TESTED, THEY'RE EXTREMELY DERIVATIVE, THEY PLAY THE EXACT SAME AS OTHER POPULAR GAMES, AND THEY CUT CORNERS ALL THE TIME

Real "art for the sake of art" games don't do ANY of the above. They have creative and unique gameplay mechanics, they have a narrative that ties into the gameplay in a fresh way, they have substance, depth, they have all sorts of these things. Street Fighter 3rd Strike and Killer7 are equally high art within the medium, and shit all over your typical EA game.

What is the defenative definition of "Art"?

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>>385144324
You do realize that later in life, Ebert realized he was wrong and admitted that, right?

>>385144324
>Ebert dead
>video games alive
Ebert ETERNALLY BTFO

>>385144398
A piece of work that inspires reflection on self, society and culture.

>>385144547
AKA Books, Paintings, Films, Anime, Sculptures, Literature but not videogames

>>385143754
>Games design isn't an art form
>Shitty games existing means that games aren't an art form

Why do people use the term "Art" as if it describes something of the highest quality?
Every single art form is mostly filled with trash.

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>ITT People who don't care or know anything about art say that videogames aren't art, people who care about art being hypocrites, trolls, people who believe videogames are art while knowing nothing about art, and people who actually have knowledge about art and aren't retarded manchildren so they know that videogames is undeniably art.

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>>385143435

>>385144986
>Video games
>Art
Everyone knows that video games are trash. There has never been a video game made that was literally not the worst video game ever made. The bar was set infinitely low yet developers keep going lower with every game. The fans are even worse though, if you play or pay money for video games you literally need to be rounded up and killed, your family and anyone you know as well for tolerating such abhorrent behavior.

His definition of art basically came down to "interactivity prevents messages".

However people who think art is about "messages" are retards.

>>385145205
>redit spacing

>>385144547
Actually it is anything made by humans displaying technical or imaginative skill.
E.g programming is an act of producing art because it employs your technical skills and imaginative problem solving ability

>Just want more games to be experimental.
>Just want more games to be non-derivative
>Just want more games to have substance and gameplay/narrative depth.
>Just want more games to treat gameplay as the videogame equivalent of prose, something that is used to give the game flavor, spice, variety, enjoyment, fun, etc. because without it, the game is dry, bland, boring, and unfun.
>Just want videogames to have more of a positive effect on people more than just being mindless fun.

>I'm now put in the same crowd that praises Gone Home, a game with stale, boring, unfun, and repetitive gameplay, mediocre sound design, a story that seemed like it was written by a 13 year old, bad art design, and is essentially everything done "wrong" with art videogames.
>Instead of being alongside all the people with good taste, who likes games like Killer 7, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Okami, Majora's Mask, La-mulana, Warioland 4, Silent Hill 2, MGS3, VtmB, God Hand, Paper Mario TTYD, Pathologic, etc.

Worst timeline.

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Video games are not art nor have they ever been.

They could become art one day and are on their way to doing so but the things that are making gaming more like art are precisly the same things that are killing gaming.

Think about it. Complaining about "entitled gamers" and defending your mistakes with claims of "artistic integrety" are openings we gave them when we pushed for gaming to be respected as art. From an artisitc point-of-view, they're right. They fail because the fans have the money and reject that mentality but in doing so we are rejecting their rights as artists. Gaming media outlets recognize this and call gamers the problem with gaming, saying we're the reason gaming can't be taken seriously as an artform. And they're right, we are in the way and we should be.

As far as economic models go gaming sells more like software than art. We expect it to be patched to function properly and financial success is based on crowd pleasing. What if paintings were about crowd pleasing? Some are, others are about offending the audience. What if movies recieved regular updates? Lucas and Spelberg did that and everybody hated them, yet not only is it ok with video games, it's fucking expected.

Now when gamers think back on when games were free of all politics, full of people making them for fun and only regarded as an offball hobby for nerds is looked upon fondly by gamers as the golden age of gaming.

art = a simulacrum you become immersed in

videogames are art

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Video games are not art nor have they ever been.

They could become art one day and are on their way to doing so but the things that are making gaming more like art are precisly the same things that are killing gaming.

Think about it. Complaining about "entitled gamers" and defending your mistakes with claims of "artistic integrety" are openings we gave them when we pushed for gaming to be respected as art. From an artisitc point-of-view, they're right. They fail because the fans have the money and reject that mentality but in doing so we are rejecting their rights as artists. Gaming media outlets recognize this and call gamers the problem with gaming, saying we're the reason gaming can't be taken seriously as an artform. And they're right, we are in the way and we should be.

As far as economic models go gaming sells more like software than art. We expect it to be patched to function properly and financial success is based on crowd pleasing. What if paintings were about crowd pleasing? Some are, others are about offending the audience. What if movies recieved regular updates? Lucas and Spelberg did that and everybody hated them, yet not only is it ok with video games, it's fucking expected.

Now when gamers think back on when games were free of all politics, full of people making them for fun and only regarded as an offball hobby for nerds is looked upon fondly by gamers as the golden age of gaming.

>>385146035
what the hell is that definition

>>385146125
U R Gay Lol

>>385146205

What is the confusion? The word simulacrum? Pretend I said "illusion" or "representation"

>>385143754
>>385145872
>>385146125
Unironically this
"Muh art" is what let sjws into gaming. Gaming was great before leftycucks hijacked it and started turning it into anything other than software development. All gaming trying to be taken seriously as art has achieved is giving (((them))) ammunition

If a toilet seat can be art then art must not mean much anymore.

>>385147021
You have it backwards. Gamers not caring about art means SJWs get to define what art means and thus what videogames means. Videogames cannot escape art.

>>385145295
It's art you fag.

>>385145759
kek. You're one retarded, cringy piece of shit. Also, the 13 year old is actually you, and always will be.

>>385143754
>music is considered art
>painting drawing etc is considered art
>writing is considered art
>but somehow when you combine these things along with allowing a user to interact with the experience, it's not art.
I'm not even trying to be pretentious or anything, but how exactly are games not a form of interactive art?

>>385143553
>>385143754
>Video games are not art
>doesn't get replies
>proceeds to type giant wall of text instead
You're still wrong, but at least you got replies the second time. Let this be a lesson to put more effort into your bait from now on.

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>>385144351
This nigga gets it.

Art is the essence of human creativity. Even if something is mass produced by machines or assembly lines they still had to be created.
They had to be imagined, they had to be drawn, they had to be built and brought to life by the human mind and imagination.

Games have been art since the very first moment that mankind had to put forth effort and imagination to see their vision through to a complete product, even if it was nothing but lights and beeps with no narrative or visual beauty.

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>>385147285
>you have it backwards
Really got my noggin joggin

>>385149569
these people don't even want to play video games

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>>385148090
>this new

Video games are art, get over it.