Why are modern consoles so shit?

>>385140013
not only that but more and more ISP's are adapting the data cap trends. It's fucking BULLSHIT

>>385140013
Consoles are an archaic concept. They made sense in the 80s and 90s but PCs now have an advantage over them in every single way. It's like how people still used VHS for years after DVDs were out - they're a relic that are only still popular because people are familiar with them.

paid online

>>385140013

>2002+15
>playing on consoles

lol

They allow you to sacrifice quality for ease of access, just like Apple.
Most people are lazy garbage so welcome to the new age.

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Because people keep buying them despite how bad they are
There is zero incentive for console manufacturers to improve because no matter what they do idiots will buy them (Except Xbox)

>Why are modern consoles so shit?

>giant updates for games
>updates for the console that sometimes newer games require
>paid online is now the norm, despite servers getting worse
>exclusivity becoming a thing of the past due to production costs rising
>due to all the large software/firmware updates and game installations, the limited HDD space of a console gets capped quickly
>no SSDs as standard in any consoles
>fucking analog sticks are outdated and need to go already
>typically overpriced, especially the games

>>385140013
Skyrocketed development prices pushed a lot of smaller companies out of business so now the only releases are big AAA games which are very infrequent and shitty indie games that are pumped out on constantly.

because they aren't consoles

>>385140243
>put VHS
>movie plays
>put DVD
>press play NOW ITS IN A MOVIE MENU AND NOT ON THE VHS THING
>movie plays

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>>385140013
Why does OP get progressively more retarded?

Blaming patches on hardware is fucking hilarious, I'll tell you that much.

>americans still have kb speeds
lol

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>>385141291
>europoor trying this hard to make the thread an America vs Europe flamewar

It's not that they are shit. It's that pc finally took away all their advantages. With the standardization of HDMI and xinput. The support for steam, cheap easy to install games, and nips finally porting to it, consoles really lost all their readons to live. I mean i still buy them all because i have no fucking life and will have an autism attack if I can't play a single game, but most people aren't like that.

>>385141751
Why do you assume he's european? As long as he doesn't live in 'Straya ANY 1st world country has much better internet than america.

>>385140243
Its also because console are easier to make a simple for each system, because with consoles they are much more consistant between each one than each pc rig.

>>385142230
Not as big of a deal as you'd think with modern APIs.

>>385142230
*simple port

>>385142162
Canada here.
I fucking wish. Best is 150 symmetrical where i live. I'm on 150/15 though, too lazy to switch.

>>385141142
Back in the previous eras, if a game released as a buggy mess, then people were fucked.

Now it lets devs be lazy and release day 1 big as fuck patches, or release games in a buggy mess, and they fix it as time goes on.

Patching systems should only have been used to fix the small bugs that slip by that people didn't catch, PS2 games had some bugs, but they weren't caught during testing, and aren't usually that game breaking.

>>385142112
>consoles really lost all their readons to live
PC gaming upgrade cycle is like 18 months
Console generation is multiple years
Consoles are pretty cheap ~1 year from release

>>385142784
My PC is two and half years old and I still don't see me upgrading any time soon

>>385141751
Kharaxstani actually

>>385142784
I haven't upgraded my PC since I built it in 2014 with the exception of adding more HDDs to it.

I can still max out a bunch of new games with my gtx 980.

>>385142784
>still have gtx680
>still performs as good if not better than modern consoles - actual 1080p and >30 fps

hmmm

>>385140013
consoles are the proof the only thing you need to sell a product is to market it hard enough

you could buy a stronger PC for the same price

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>>385142697
But that has 0% to do with consoles or PCs or hardware of any kind.
It has everything to do with game development and the advancement of the internet, thus it's not related to the consoles themselves. It happens everywhere (PC, even Nintendo systems now)

If you stop buying shit games from shit companies you'll realise that most games still come out complete and polished with no day1 13gb patch required. Avoid ActivisionBlizzard/Ubisoft/EA games (like you should in the first place) and you'll be golden for the most part.

>>385142784
That's not actually how it works.
If you build a pc that runs games better than a ps4, the day os4 comes out. It will, run games better than ps4 the day ps4 is discontinued.(granted ps4 might get better optomization down the line) but i digress. It's just alot of pc players like to be on the bleeding edge.

I think you guys are young or are just nostlagic. Games used to be released as unfinished messes all the time. 1998 is probably the best year in gaming and two classics released that year were unfinished as fuck. Saga Frontier and Xenogears were both very unfinished.

Most final fantasies have massive bugs in them etc.

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Meh I love my console and use them on a daily basis. My wii u is basically a porn and black ops 2 machine while my ps4 is a nice netflix machine. Mainly been playing my og xbox this summer.

>>385143665
Sort of. PC releases move on much faster. A game from the end of the PS3's life cycle runs just fine on a console built and sold right at the start, a decade earlier.
Whereas the PC built to higher spec started to choke 3-4 years in (taking into account other posts here, but I would have said even earlier) and the PC releases assumed a higher spec than the PC could provide.
There are exceptions, and yes if you build a $2k top-end box you will stay relevant longer, but you could have bought 3-5 consoles for the money.

>>385143884
owning 3 (!!) garbage consoles instead of one good PC.many such cases,sad!

>>385143674
>googles games released in 1998
Holy shit...
>>385143943
No. Because PCes don't have set settings. There are two problems that pain me here.
1) most AAA games are made with console in mind so even the pcport is held back to ps3 standards. This is perhaps a valid statement for pc exclusives. But it's silly to say consoles have an advantage in those.
2) ps3 ran these games in 720p 30fps, with no AA, and the equivalent of low to medium settings in most cases, low FoV etc. Hardware from PS3 starting era could honestly probably stomache this. You could run the games 720p 30fps low settings fov all the way down with drops. Problem is pc players aren't doing that. PC players needed better hardware because they were playing 1080p 60. Much like today many are playing 1440p-4k and even 144hz. Of course this problem is even lesser now because gpu tech is slowing down, and it's literally the same shit in the console.

>>385142784
>updaated my pc from 2008 a few months ago
>there wasn't any reason to update it
sure 18 months , keep buying every brand new shit thats released for no reason

>>385144753
Maybe if we could change that perception then, consoles would start to die down. Until then, they're too bloody convenient.
Case in point: I bought a PS4 for £195 second hand a couple of years ago, slapped it under my TV and was good to go immediately. It requires no maintenance, it's idiot-proof, and enjoyable games are easy to find for it. I expect it to last years and years.
Convince people that their gaming stations are just as long-lived, serve them up at the same price point, and make them easy to play in a living room set-up and you're in business.

>>385141142
I think it's more the argument that consoles are better than PC because you can just put the disc in and play, when putting the disc in and playing hasn't been a thing for a long time now. Between system updates, day zero patches, and mandatory installs, and the time it takes you to physically acquire the disc in the first place, you could have had a PC game completely downloaded and installed ready to go in half the time.

>>385140629
>exclusivity becoming a thing of the past due to production costs rising
nah
it's because both ps4 and xbox1 have almost the same gpu architecture and x86 cpu architecture that is very similar to pc
so it's 100 times easier to develop the same game for all major platforms with not much change than previous generations

I fail to understand this argument, if youre saying consoles are bad because you have to install day one updates, by that logic PCs are worse because there are pretty much no physical copies of anything. You have to download the entire game instead of just the update. Its one of the reasons i was excited for the switch, because there wouldnt have to be any day one updates because you could fit everything on a flash storage card, not to mention the load times are faster

Basically youre a faggot

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>>385145989
>because there wouldnt have to be any day one updates because you could fit everything on a flash storage card

>>385145965
it's both those reasons

>>385146412
I misspoke, what i meant to say was that you wouldnt have to wait for your game to install from the physical medium because the data rates are faster with flash storage

>>385145562
>Convince people
you realize you just mean "market the fuck out it like consoles do," right?

>>385142784
>tfw 7970 6GB and Xeon E5640, 6cores/12 threads@4GHz
>still run games 1080p/60
Literally 6 years old PC. Thanks to Obama, dollar was super cheap to my currency back then, the whole PC was 600$ in today's exchange rate.

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>>385144039
But pc doesn't even have most fun games I like or the games thar I'm interested in. Multiplats still run fine on the machines.

>>385145862
It still ends up being more convenient. Day1 patches and installing aren't the only aspects consoles had over PC gaming.

See a game like Nier Automata for example. Not only did it come 1 month later on PC (making it hard to avoid spoilers), but the port was horrible with shoddy performance on some machines due to random factors (For example, hair physics on Witcher3 tanked the framerate on PC. Who would have guessed that disabling that specific graphical option out of the 30 available would be the one that improved your framerate the most? You pretty much had to do some forum hunting or lurking on image boards to find that out). Not to mention a lot of more random crashing, and cutscenes would have really bad framerate too despite being literal video files, while on PS4 Nier's cutscenes ran flawlessly. PC players had to go through a lot of troubleshooting and forums hunting to find fixes for 2 or 3 major problems with Nier's port, and at the end they had to wait for a fan mod to fix most of those.

On consoles, while you do have installs and patches, it's still a pretty hands-off automated care-free experience. It may take some time, but at the end of the day games work without spending10 to 20 minutes messing with graphical settings at the start and no troubleshooting of any kind, no driver updating, no worrying about your MOBO/GPU/CPU combo messing up certain games, etc
Of course there are always exceptions to both sides.

>>385146842
>but at the end of the day games work without spending10 to 20 minutes messing with graphical settings at the start and no troubleshooting of any kind, no driver updating, no worrying about your MOBO/GPU/CPU combo messing up certain games, etc
This is very very seldom an issue on PC outside of legacy software anymore. If it takes you 10 to 20 minutes to set your preferred resolution, you might have brain damage, because "messing with graphical settings" isn't a thing any more than adjusting the volume or controls in a console game. Lazy and broken ports aren't THAT common, and that's hardly an issue with the PC so much as the developers. I've had more games crash and cause problems on my consoles over the past decade than on my PC.

>>385146780
3 of those games are on pc

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>>385146780
i have no clue if these abominations of games are on PC although they probably are. but in your specific case the consoles can keep you

>>385146842
> (For example, hair physics on Witcher3 tanked the framerate on PC. Who would have guessed that disabling that specific graphical option out of the 30 available would be the one that improved your framerate the most?

consoles have hairworks disabled because they're too weak to run it, while in any half decent pc game you have a button you press the optimizes your settings to your pc's ability. you have to be a fucking idiot to not handle this shit

>>385142376
How is that bad?

With that speed you can download a 30GB file in a few minutes.

Get non shit internet.

>>385147276
>Lazy and broken ports aren't THAT common
Still common enough to be a constant annoyance. Something that no one can predict, especially if you're a fan of japanese games.

>and that's hardly an issue with the PC so much as the developers
I know. But the end result is still the same. And in a way it IS an issue with PCs. It's always easier to optimize for a single build.

>because "messing with graphical settings" isn't a thing any more than adjusting the volume or controls in a console game.
I just gave you a perfect example with Witcher3. If you only looked at volume and controls your framerate would still be 20fps worse for no apparent reason because you didn't disable the hair tech (not that you had any way of knowing without troubleshooting first).

IIRC in Nier's case it had something to do with the AO? But I don't know since I played the "working on day 1, no fan mod required" PS4 version instead.

>>385147828
No matter how much you downplay this, it's still 1 less thing you had to mess with on the console versions. In the end I'm right in saying that playing on console is still more convenient than playing on PC.

Let's be honest, how did AMD manage to survive the last 5 years? I won't even discuss their CPUs, the 200 and 300 GPU series was a disaster, with a super expensive card to produce that had to be priced to compete with GTX 970, an already harvested and knee-capped chip, the next step-down was an ex-flagship 7970/7950 rebrand that was expensive as fuck to produce aswell .Now they did a Fury die-shrink that looks to be around 1080 non-ti, a 400€ card now, with Volta around the corner, biggest GPU Nvidia ever made on the smallest process node yet.

>>385148042
if you chop your hand off you won't have to bother with clipping your fingernails ever again, if that's your definition of convenient god help you

you press a fucking button and it optimizes the game to your PC, hell in most games when you launch them the first time you have your recommended settings set by default. consoles are literally for tyrone chad and jamal that want to play their 2ksports

>>385142162
Oh shit, pardon him, he forgot to consider the OTHER 1st world place with decent connection sp-
>Australia
lolwut

Yeah, but its not that bud if game is ogfline, usually youcan start it and play while update is downloafing in background. When I bought ps3 some months ago, it was so fucking nice to recieve updates from 17-300mb at most.

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>>385140243
>PCs now have an advantage over them in every single way
Except affordability and accessibility and simplicity.

Consoles are just easier to deal with and you don't have to spend $200, the cost of an entire console, on a single component to know your computer will be able to run new games. They just run.

I'm a PCfag but this claim that PCs are better in every regard is false. PC is just better where it actually matters. And I'm not saying that the difference very big, but as long as the difference exists, consoles will have constant mass market appeal over PCs which makes them far from archaic.

>>385148321
I believe Intel and AMD kept sending them secretly money so they can keep their defacto monopoly and when someone asked they could point their finger on AMD.

Also AMD did dirty work for everyone to stay afloat with low margins and big volume. Consoles, CPUs for various household, medical and military equipment, they were always willing to do the job for lowest pay.

>>385149098
affordability
you are going to have a pc in your home either way, instead of buying a facebook machine and a shit console buy a single good pc, you get equal performance for your $ in your pc as you get from a console
> accessibility
if you are so fucking retarded you can't even ask people on hardware forums to help you build a decent rig there are prebuilt gaming pcs that work just fine except they take an extra premium from you because you are too fucking stupid to play the hardware lego
>simplicity.
you plug that shit to the electricity and hit the power button nigga

>>385148694
>OTHER 1st world place with decent connection sp-
S.Korean and Japan are also 1st world for example. Both have much better speeds

>Australia
>lolwut
Are you implying they have good internet? Or do you lack good reading comprehension?

>>385149436
>if you are so fucking retarded you can't even ask people on hardware forums to help you build a decent rig
My point isn't that this is difficult, my point is that shit like this is an uneccessary step, and people who don't know show about computers don't want to have to worry about if a motherboard has the right socket, or if they need ram sizes, in multiples of 3 or 4, or if a 400W psu will power everything, etc, etc. Then you gotta read the motherboard manual and figure out which pins and slots to plug your other parts into and worry about the static electricity boogieman ruining everything just because you weren't 100% sure about what you were doing.

Or they can get a refurbished laptop for $100 and a PS4 or Xbone for $200, you plug 3 things in and everything just works.

It's not about the difficulty, it's about the fact that there's an extra step at all. You and me both know that all this is simple and/or bullshit, but newcomers don't.

>>385149550
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>>385150042
you ignored what i said about prebuilt gaming PCs, the solution for tards for just want to buy something and plug it in. also a decent computer store will give you a rig tailored to your needs so you can avoid that too if you buy for a reliable place. stupid people pay for their stupidity but there is no reason to encourage consoles on a fucking video games imageboard, the fact people here embrace these shitboxes is a proof of how contaminated 4chan has become

>>385150314
prebuilts noticeably marks up the price, making consoles look like the smarter option. Play the same games for potentially hundreds less.

>>385140013
P-Plug in and play!

>>385150434
and once again you've ignored half of my post

i'll add even more to what i've said regarding value

pc games are cheaper
pc will never require you to have an online subscription
pc is a device you are going to have in your house anyways, and strong hardware has other useful prospects besides gaming
pc has more exlusives than consoles and always has support for "previous generations", a concept that doesn't even exist in pc
pc even has emulators if you are desperate for that nintdildo rehash #9001 game

>>385149436
>you are going to have a pc in your home either way

It's not 1999 anymore granddad

>tfw pirating is more convenient because you don't have to update games everyday.
If there are only disadvantages of buying a game then why bother?

>>385150213
I want to fry that chicken?

To all PC cocksuckers ITT, here's 30 minutes of a PC gamer having trouble with settings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xR1mZIXJCQ

Please tell me how that's just as "plug'n'play" as consoles.
Yes he missed some crucial settings but that's the point. It's harder to play on PC, even if it's just minimal graphical settigns shit that you just so happen to miss, or random bad ports.
If he was playing on consoles he'd be fine from the start.

>>385140013
Hey consoles get the downsides of PC without any of the benefits!

>>385151674
if he was playing on consoles had get a medicore experience right out of the box, that's not "fine"

there is nothing that should make you lost at the settings, nothing at all

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>>385146842
>(For example, hair physics on Witcher3 tanked the framerate on PC. Who would have guessed that disabling that specific graphical option out of the 30 available would be the one that improved your framerate the most?
Anyone with a pop science understanding of how a computer works, you fucking normie trash.

>simulating the physics of thousands of individual hairs is going to tank your performance
NO. FUCKING. SHIT. M8.

>>385140629

You forgot

>updates for the console that sometimes crashes games

Fuck you Sony, and let me play Arkham Knight already.

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>>385146842
>PC players had to go through a lot of troubleshooting and forums hunting to find fixes for 2 or 3 major problems with Nier's port, and at the end they had to wait for a fan mod to fix most of those.
At least we can fix the junk lazy developers shit out. You're at mercy of what ever the developers hand you. If Drakengard 3 was released on PC in a state comparable to the PS3 version, we would have modded it to run at 4k at 60 FPS by now.

>no worrying about your MOBO/GPU/CPU combo messing up certain games, etc
Except that literally never happens. Maybe there is an individual driver fuckup for a specific GPU model, but this doesn't change with different motherboards or CPUs. That doesn't make sense. These points of failures are all independent of one another. You know as much about computers as a woman knows about cars.

>>385151674
>It's harder to play on PC
Are you 12? Do you know how to drive a car? Do you play an instrument? All these things are a million times harder than knowing how to use a PC properly.

>>385150805
>pc is a device you are going to have in your house anyways
Wow and you're calling consoles archaic? More and more people are using phones as their primary computer as time passes. Get with the times, gramps.

>>385140013
Because PC is even shitter.

>>385150314

>prebuilt gaming PCs

ibuypower's cheapest gaming pc starts at $750~ (and it has a shitty amd processor with a gtx 560.)

the gaming pcs under $500 on newegg all have gpus like a 730 or a 240.

>>385153252
How do you write documents? On your fucking phone? Please.

>>385153915
On a laptop, never owned a desktop.

>>385153853
contact a shop that isn't fucking bestbuy and ask for a rig offer for gaming at your budget, if they give you a chinese generic PSU don't talk to them ever again if they don't they're probably legit

you have been red pilled

>>385154020
Your loss. Laptops are overpriced shit.

>>385149098
>affordability
a PC with equal power to a ps4 or an xbox (1080 30fps or 720 60fps for most multiplats will cost you about the same as the console)
except you don't have to shill out for PAID ONLINE, humble bundles + steam sales mean games are cheaper in general.
>accessibility
this is kind of fair, PC gaming is kind of intimidating to someone not familiar with it, but do any research and any retard can build himself a PC, its pretty much just legos.
>simplicity
nigga what, if you can't function a computer enough to install a game how the fuck you posting this.

>>385154248
> he expected a consoletard to get good value for his money

>>385140013
designed for small children

>>385154248
I can do my work, store my images and browse the internet and thats all I need it to do same as the vast majority of people. Having a desktop in the home is such an outdated concept.

>Devs getting lazy because storage is cheaper than ever so games are bigger than ever uncompressed
>ISPs getting cheaper than ever so they're installing data caps

>>385147858
>thinking he means megabytes
Oh that's cute. At most he means megabits

>>385140013
No more exclusives, both multiplat machines, therefore no real competition.

It wouldn't even be that much of a problem if Microsoft and Sony bothered to spend any money at all on their download servers. It takes hours to download anything from the PSN, compare it to steam and it's fucking laughable. And they expect people to pay for the privilege of using this fucking trash service.

PS4 is the worst console I've ever owned by a country mile, and I owned a Wii U and a Sega Saturn.

>>385140629
>exclusivity becoming a thing of the past due to production costs rising
thats a good thing tho
fuck buying 3 game boxes just because some suits said "lol we'll only put this on [company]'s gamebox because they paid us to do so"
>fucking analog sticks are outdated and need to go already
what did he mean by this?

>>385142784
>PC gaming upgrade cycle is like 18 months
>there are people who actually believe this

>>385151674
because he's an idiot. he's also probably you based on how few views that video has.

>>385154785
console exclusivity is the only rational reason to buy a console. Analog sticks are absolute garbage for aiming and need to be replaced already - I know people will cry >waggle but motion controls (GOOD, modern, motion controls) really should be used more often, especially for shooters.

>>385143612
>It happens everywhere (PC, even Nintendo systems now)
BS
Nintendo games work out of the box just fine.

I can't speak for nu-Nintendo. Iwata Nintendo still took care of game testing and didn't release big piles of shit.

On Wii U for example there were of course quite a few patches for Smash, but most of that was free + paid DLC content. Did I say tons of free content?

One game got a patch to add more gameplay + amiibo support. Which was like 10 MB or so.

Did I say that there were no installations at all?

I can count the larger patches (and those are still tiny compared to PS4+Bone) on one hand. And most of those are even Ubisoft games.

For online games I wouldn't have a problem that there are patches. But then there are single player movie "games", who have like 10 GB of patches on PS4. Now *that* is a joke.

What you said is also bollocks.
Broken games on PCs are even more common BECAUSE of the crazy hardware. Tons of configurations. Buggy hardware. Buggy drivers. Broken Windows OS etc.

nu-consoles like 360, Bone, PS3+PS4 are getting more and more PC features, that are horrible with none of the positives.

Mandatory full game installations CHECK
tons of patches CHECK
totally broken games CHECK
online DRM CHECK

And that is because of console design (console is hard- and software) and yes sure, retarded mongo "customers" who buy every shite that gets released (Metal Grind, Fagout 4 and all the other downgraded dumbed down shit).

For example PS3s installations were caused by Sony using their fucked up useless Blu-ray drives instead of faster DVD drives.

Game installations are directly caused by outdated media usage.

And so on.

They don't just werk. In fact, they tend to require more troubleshooting than PC these days.

>>385156063
now that is bull.

PC is the worst offender of the bunch in that area.
>muh gotta downgrade graphics driver
>muh terrible performance, gotta upgrade graphics driver
>muh compatibility issue
>muh hardware more than 6 months old
>muh Steam is a pile of horse shit

Do you know how often for example Payday 2 crashed on me? Despite the fucking game being years old and getting patched almost weekly. And it's still a piece of shit.

On PS3 the game worked badly, but at least it didn't crash THAT often.

At least I got the POS for free on PC.

>>385156709
>play shit games
>whine that the platform is shit because of it
Not to mention, modern consoles have just as many crashes and horrible bugs as the PC, they just lack the capability for players to actually fix them.

An example on the very platform you're praising: Witch and the Hundred Knight which has random, frequent crashes to the XMB that were never patched out.

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>>385155927
>Nintendo games work out of the box just fine.
So do Sony games. What kind of retarded overgeneralization is that?
I said that some Nintendo games do have launch patches and instalation times (For example XCX on WiiU, which had 4 different things to install. Technically they were optional but in practicality everyone installed them because they vastly improved textures and loading times)
I didn't say ALL of them. But as long as even a SINGLE game gets a patch or an install I'm right in saying that Nintendo does it. I didn't say how often they do it, just that they do it.

>I can't speak for nu-Nintendo.
Then why did you even fucking reply? We're not talking about the past, we're talking about the present.

>Did I say tons of free content?
Again, it's nothing exclusive to Nintendo. GravityRush2 also gets a lot of freebies month after month. Titanfall2 (a 3rd party) also gives out new weapons, Titans, maps and modes for free.

>Did I say that there were no installations at all?
Depends, some games like FatalFrame didn't get a physical release on certain territories (I think it was digital-only in NA) thus, some installation is obligatory

> who have like 10 GB of patches on PS4. Now *that* is a joke.
Why are you retards pretending like this is exclusive to the PS4 (why the focus on Sony anyway? Weird obcessive fanboyism, you guys creep me out). It happens on PC, Xbone, and like I've proven, Nintendo systems too. It's not related to hardware, it's related to game developers themselves.

>For example PS3s installations were caused by Sony using their fucked up useless Blu-ray drives instead of faster DVD drives.
But it was a mandatory transition. Most big games today wouldn't fit in a DVD. Even if they did DVD speeds are slower than today's consumers want. Even the 360 introduced game installations on the second half of 360's life because consumers WANTED it. Going digital also means that intalling is obligatory.

>>385140013
>new game
>XBone

clearly this never happened

>>385156709
Drivers are downloaded automatically now. And if you're technically illiterate you'll be using windows 10 where you don't have to do anything. So what are these compability issues you're talking about?

>>385154308
>a PC with equal power to a ps4 or an xbox (1080 30fps or 720 60fps for most multiplats will cost you about the same as the console)
>except you don't have to shill out for PAID ONLINE, humble bundles + steam sales mean games are cheaper in general.
I keep hearing this but pretty much every PC capable of playing say, Witcher 3 at PS4 level settings I've seen costs an arm and a leg, I'd like to see a breakdown.

>>385158782
>So do Sony games
fuck you I wanted an entire day to get through updates and installation to play FF15

>>385142784
>PC gaming upgrade cycle is like 18 months
I still have a GTX 670 FTW and it plays everything just fine, hell I played Near A Tomato with it just fine.

>>385153915
>he thinks the average consumer writes documents enough that they'll spend hundreds on a computer for it

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>>385159667
Holy fucking hell that's retarded on several levels and just goes to prove my point about your weird obcessive blind fanboysim against Sony for no reason.

FF15 is a multiplat game, it also came out on Xbone and will most likely get ported to PC in a couple of years max. NOT a Sony game in any way.
1) It wasn't published by Sony.
2) It wasn't co-developed by Sony.
3) Its development wasn't paid by Sony.
4) It's not a Sony 1st party game.
5) It's a completely unrelated 3rd party game made by SquareEnix and released on multiple systems.
Yet you blame Sony. Aight m8

See how it's 100% related to game development and 0% related to consoles? I can bring up dozens upon dozens of games on PS4 that had no day1 patches, in fact the majority of them didn't. It's mostly big AAA releases that use the time between going gold and release date to further fix their game. Again, nothing to do with any particular system.

>>385154308
>a PC with equal power to a ps4 or an xbox (1080 30fps or 720 60fps for most multiplats will cost you about the same as the console)
Right NOW, sure. But in a few years it might not be able to run new games.

This happened to me with GTAV. I couldn't play it on my budget toaster from 2011 when it came out on PC, but I could play it on my xbox from 2005.
2 years sooner, too.

I used to think the same thing, but after having actually experienced it I no longer believe that to be a very good argument.

>>385154248
I got a refurbished laptop for 80 bucks, anon. How is that overpriced? You can't even buy a raspberry pi, keyboard, mouse, monitor, and wifi attachment for that much.

>>385160351
calm down autismo, I just meant that it still happens for games on sony platforms and you took it as a personal attack like some fanboy faggot.