Whats the best Dwarf Fortress style game that doesn't require

Rimworld is a great starting point

Minecraft

>>385116285
This.

>>385116290
Not even close.

>>385116165
Dwarf Fortress

>>385116165
Dwarf Fortress.

Come on, people. It's not that fucking hard.

not gnomoria or towns that's for sure

either just play DF or Rimworld for a decent sci-fi alternative with a much smaller scale

>>385116165
Man up and enjoy the autism.

>>385116594
It's not hard but it is autistic.

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>>385116285
Not a fan of the scifi setting.

I love how much detail DF goes into with its world creation and the things that can happen. It's just pretty awkward to get into.

>>385116290
Simultaneously simpler but also more autistic

>>385116165
"Dwarf Fortress style" implies autism tho

>>385116830
You're right. It's just awkward to get into. I would advise pushing through the awkwardness.

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He's right.

>>385118280
nah, things are not hard to use just a bit mismanaged and misplaced.

>>385118280
blows my mind that years later they've still put zero effort into coming up with a proper UI/friendly user experience.

It's probably the #1 thing holding the game back from a bigger player base outside of the vanilla visuals.

>>385116649
The fan remake of Gnomoria is looking promising.

>>385118280
Aurora UI > Dorf UI

>>385116165
Team Fortress 2.

>>385116165
dungeon keeper, surprised no one said it. it has a lot of the exact same gameplay, except the way it controls you just click on things with a mouse.

I would play dwarf fortress if it was not ascii is there atleast a 8 bit overworking for it if so please let me know

>>385119152
that's the point anon: the sweaty autists on this board WANT the game to be hostile to new players, they WANT it to have a smaller audience so they can brag that they can endure Dwarf Fortress for more then two hours.

>>385119589
yeah there's graphical tilesets but dude it's still a clunky ass game

Reminder that dorf fort is still in development and will be in development for a long time.
Tarn is more interested in adding features rather than working on the UI and having to redo it every time new features are added.
Dude's giving you the chance to play an unfinished game, of course a lot of things will not work.

>>385118280
What a little bitch, it could be better yeah, but its really not that hard at all.

>>385119589
theres quite a few tileset replacements and kind of fake 2.5d viewers to give some depth

>>385119270
Elaborate.

>>385119589

I really hated dorf fort until I got a tileset. It made the game 100 times more enjoyable and icons made more sense as to what they were, along with the game just looking prettier.

Serious question.
Is there no way to mod DF to give it a better UI? I mean, you can with skyrim. I'm aware of Dwarf Therapist, and that's great, but that's another whole window and for just one facet of the game. Hell, even having the whole UI in another window would be decent.

>>385119934
no you dumb fag, judge things as they appear in their current state, don't fall for the "promise of something greater" meme. this is the reason early access and kickstarter is so successful because it captures everyone's imagination of "what will be" (except it won't be).

>>385119917
Want to see a game I love to play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK-YavDFwec

I do not care how clunky it is.
If I can make it look similiar to this or less powerful but still 8 bit I will be a happy camper.

Is it a fantasy game like TOME? what can you do? explore quest go through ruins and stuff?
Or do I have to build things and cultivate towns I am not into god aspects of games.

>>385118280
He's right to an extent. There really is no reason for it to be as bad as it is. Yeah, okay, they want to prioritise other things, but they shouldn't. They should buckle up and put a modicum of effort into making a slightly better UI.

But I'm still gonna be playing DF whether they do that or not so I guess it doesn't really matter.

>>385119934
>redo it every time new features are added
>the UI has to be redone 100% every time a single feature is added
t. Toady

>>385120149
>judge things as they appear in their current state
This is exactly what I'm doing, autismo. Its current state is "incomplete". If you want to play a not incomplete game, wait until it's done. This is basic stuff for people who aren't retarded, honestly.

>>385120306
That'd be a sensible greentext if toady was a software designer or a programmer, but the dude is a math major. The source code for dorf fort is probably hell

>>385120070
>>385119954
Thank you guys what would be the most graphicallly intensive or the closest one to a nes

>>385116165
stonehearth once it is finally done in like 3 to 5 years

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>tfw too dumb to properly start a fort
>making any digging mistake and the only out is to clear the ENTIRE z level
>can't into building games in general
>get nervous and quit

>>385120058
Hes remaking the game from scratch in another language and isn't making his own DF style game for some reason.

>>385120524
>get nervous and quit
for what purpose

>>385120478
Then he should fix it now. If that is the case then it will save him time in the long run anyway.

>>385120478
>This is exactly what I'm doing, autismo.
well your post implied that one day the UI would be "fixed". that kind of thinking is completely irrelevant.

>>385120514
download the lazy newb pack, it has a fuckton of tilesets and graphic packs for you to try.

>>385120663
>well your post implied that one day the UI would be "fixed"
yes, when it's done

>>385120653
in building games and god games
I am not that anon but I get extreme anxiety when A person of my town gets hurt or dies.
It is the reason why I cannot play sims

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>>385120653
can't into fort building and lost my previous one to a werewombat infestation.

>>385120917
...Why?
>>385120919
Yeah but why would you get nervous. It's not like it's a multiplayer game or anything.

>I'm working on a game
>ok
>I have a 30 year plan for it, it's gonna be very complex
>sounds amazing, can't wait
>You can play an unfinished build if you want to, it's free on my website
>DUDE WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS UNFINISHED

>>385116285
Rimworld is great to play if you have never played dwarf. If you have it feels like a shitty game

>>385120917
>It is the reason why I cannot play sims
Uh, but you can prevent that from happening in the Sims?

>>385121150
every dorf fort clone feels like shit if you've played dorf.

>>385120979
Because In my brain I put those fictional characters and I think of what caused their death and I regret it so much. I am highly emotional. But with roguelikes I can start again and it helps with that regret. I try not to get attached but sometimes I do.

>>385116165
Dwarf Fortress you filthy fucking casual

>>385121083
he has a 30 year plan for it? jesus fucking christ what an autism lord

>>385121083
>i'm shilling a game
>ok
>it's an unfinished piece of shit with a dysfunctional UI
>DUDE WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS SHIT

>>385121247
I havent played since the first one I was a young dude.
I cannot play that game because I will get anxiety from it and I find it relatively boring.

>>385120917
You should see someone about that, bro.
I kill off nobles and their spawn by the dozens every fucking fort, and all I feel is bliss.

>>385121424
>dedication = autism
I'm tired of this meme.

>>385121460
>shilling a free game
I'm glad they're giving internet access to the special ed class.

>>385116165
DF is easy you fucking brainlet.

>m-muh UI
Takes like an hour to get used it.

>>385121604
dedicating your life to one game over 30 years... worse than a WoW addict

>>385121586
Ill pretend nobles are corporations.
I have and they said I am a empath. I also seen a lot of death in my childhood.

>>385121689
dedicating your life to one woman over 30 years.
Worse than a christian.

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>tfw literally can't play dwarf fortress at night
How the FUCK do you touch type?

>>385119270
>fan remake of Gnomoria
link

>>385121812
>Not having lights

>>385116649
towns is kill

>tfw I just crushed a goblin's head with one punch
I love this game.

>>385117043
/thread

>>385121604
>>shilling a free game
You can donate :^)

Anyway, my point is that the game is not above criticism just because it is free and unfinished. In its current state it's a poor game.

are all dwarf fortress players touch typers?
cos im sure not, and i cant into dwarf fortress

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>>385121960
You'll probably like this then

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=148015.0

>>385121812
if your keyboard has notches on the F and J keys (I think that's standard) then it's easy to know where all the keys are. unless you're young with little keyboard experience, since I guess kids these days stick to their phones and tablets.

>>385116165
Dwarf Fortress.

>>385121704
You saw Frieza kill Krillin on tv and your grandma died at some point? Thats a lot of death

>>385122152
I'm 20 and I've done hunt and peck all my life.

>>385121390
DF is a roguelike tho

Also I guess I'm similar but take a more edgy "he lived a good life and died a good death" view to it.

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>>385122267

>>385121704
Empath? Like that chick on Star Trek TNG?
I look more like a fatter Riker myself.

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>>385116165
what's the dark souls of the dwarf fortress genre!?

>>385122480
Should I give up and get an LED keyboard then?

>tfw years ago took the plunge and spent several hours youtube-guide-watching tutorials for getting into dorf fortress
>became really addicted, got all my shortcuts and mechanics down
>from simple colonies to a little less simple colonies I did it all
>fast forward to 2017
>really wanna feed that DF urge
>open the game, am at a loss, only remember D-D shortcut for digging

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug

>>385122452
>more edgy "he lived a good life and died a good death"
>more edgy
How the fuck is that edgy

That's the opposite of edgy

>>385122789
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Quickstart_guide

>>385122620
No, just play with a light on, geez.
Stop relying on your monitor to light up your keyboard.

>>385122789
>spent several hours youtube-guide-watching tutorials
how do i get this autism so i can play too?

>>385122975
years ago there was a european dude named sippycup (or something along those lines) who made a very elaborate and newb friendly tutorial series. his calming european accent became somewhat addictive and I was fringe watching all his shit. definitely check him out but I fear that the videos are vastly outdated by now (I watched this maybe 4 or 5 years ago give or take)

>>385122480
>tfw you will never be able to enter a STEM field no matter how good your math is due to this

>>385122620
with experience you can learn the positions of keys in the dark. just fumble around and you'll learn it
you'll probably develop bad habits like me though and type with 4 fingers from your left hand and 1 finger from your right hand

>>385122975
Its really not that hard. I went into it completely blind and only used the wiki a couple times as a reference. The biggest tip I can give you is play adventure mode first. It lets you learn what all the symbols mean at your own pace. After that, try fort mode. I got a handle on the game in like 2 hours.

Does nethacjkrequire more autism than dwarf fortress?

>>385122896
No dude it's edgy. Think "muh honour, muh good death" style shenanigans.

>>385123267
I don't see anything edgy about that.

>>385123326
Probably because I'm not explaining myself, or because you are also edgy. We're talking like "at least he got to die at the extreme of his life, defending his family and full of desperation".
Yeah, that's edgy enough.

>>385123169
How about going into actual Math?
School math isn't really "Math", so there's no bearing if you're implying you're good at only that kind of math.

>>385116830
>Not a fan of the scifi setting
Neither am I, but the game is very moddable, and you may be able to overlook its setting for how user-friendly the game is compared to DF. Also... you can get rid of most of the sci-fi elements and experience a game with nothing greater than medieval or tribal technology.

Dorf is not hard to get into, in fact it took me an afternoon when I first stumbled onto it. I got my lazynewb, therapist and tileset and by the end of the day I was already having fun. However, after I played it for a few weeks, I found myself getting more and more annoyed with its interface. Having to memorize so many hotkeys to build things, not being able to use the mouse (I hear there's a mod for this), and just a general clunky feeling got tiresome. Honestly I'd just rather play RimWorld, it's a lot more enjoyable, especially when modded to fuck.

>>385120150
ToME is shit though.

>>385122229
nope
dad died at 5
grandpa shortly after
grandmother died after
elementary school friend after
cousins
uncles and aunts
it was like one person died every year
my 2 uncles bro and joe died the same day and the funeral was on my birthday.
crazy cat family so dead cats was normal as well.
dead dogs.
Highschool couple more of freinds died.
Recently one of my old friends from highschool died from OD

I almost died a few times myself.
Entertainment
death of the 1980s and birth of the grunge era.
kurt cobain
shannon hoon
brad noell
a ton of other bands dying off as well
owen hart
9/11

I still love my KoRn and Marilyn manson oldschool only.

I just do not like blood guts or death I do like helpijng people out emotionally though just not in a traditional way.
A lot of death but I am still here and i got through.

>>385123626
>best roguelike ever made
>shit
pick one

>>385123626
I love it. I like adventures and fantasy things.

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>>385123626
>ToME is shit though
Every time I hear this, it's coming from someone who has never actually completed a game of it. Still dying those boulder tossing giants in Daikara, anon? Still auto-exploring around corners and getting killed by basic enemies? This is, of course, assuming you even made it out of Trollmire...

>>385123746
Holy shit git gud you fucking bad taste shitter.

>>385116165
what game is op?

>>385124057
A snapshot of dorf fort being run through a 3rd party utility that makes it look 3D. I think its called Armokvision but this might be a different thing.

Never played Tales of Maj'Eyal. Is it good? Never really got into rogue-likes except DF if you count Adventure Mode.

>>385124045
This.

To be fair, I autoexplore too but I don't die to normal enemies, the few times i do it's when I run into shit that's tougher and I overextend myself, e.g; that fucking castle full of much-higher-level-dragons. I actually survived that, too, 3 times...but I kept going back in thinking I could finish them eventually and my luck ran out.

>>385124425
It's free on their website, go try it. https://te4.org/

I find it fun, but everyone's definition of fun is different. I found it fun enough to buy it on Steam + the first expansion.

>>385124425
DCSS is better IMO.

>>385116285
The only thing that stops me is the lack of z levels.

>>385124425
https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/adventure_party

>>385124425
>>385124737
Although I will say I really like story in roguelikes. So you might disregard my taste.

>>385124907
DCSS isn't bad but it's a lot like Dorf Fortress in that it's hotkey based and not as user-friendly as TOME is.

>>385124817
Neat, I hadn't seen this addon before. Thanks anon!

>>385125087
What? It's extremely user-friendly.

>>385116979
actually, MC requires less autism but somehow attracts more autism

>>385125163
Don't forget the modifier "as TOME is" - In DCSS you don't have MMO-style hotkey bars to set things on, in TOME you just hotkey it and bam anytime good to go.

>>385125338
Well sure, I guess the "like Dorf Fortress" made it sound like you were putting it on its level.

>>385124281
That looks way to good to be armok vision. It's probably stonesense.

>>385125701
Does armok vision work good?

https://lparchive.org/Dwarf-Fortress-Boatmurdered/
https://lparchive.org/Dwarf-Fortress-Headshoots/
https://lparchive.org/Dwarf-Fortress-Syrupleaf/

Post 'em

>>385127168
Gemclod was p alright as well

>>385119692
or because popularity turns things to shit

>>385127168
I liked Roomcarnage even if the narrator was a repetitive autist.

>>385120518
that's been abandoned

>>385122267
take a typing class you cretin. You missed literally the only class in Highschool that teaches a useful skill.

>>385125291
Minecraft attracts actual autism. DF attracts "autism".

Remember that 99% of literal autists are literal retards that think they are geniuses.

What tutorial will teach me Dwarf Fortress the best?
Most of the video tutorials seem to be outdated, should I just stick to the wiki first steps guide?

>>385129739
quickstart guide, i learned df in 30 minutes flat

>>385126420
It's shite

>>385129739
>>385129795

>>385129795
>>385129939
Alright sounds easy enough, should I use the Lazy Newb Pack or will it just hinder me in the long term?

>>385124780
For a long time, DF didn't have Z levels either.

>>385130105
NEVER LNB. It's godawful and makes you rely on stupid shit. just pull vanilla with a changed color scheme. LNB crashes too. DFhack is ok.

>>385130231
>NEVER LNB

what the fuck. i was always taught to use this

my whole world is upside down

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>>385120149
>this is the reason early access and kickstarter
>Setting based toady next to scum of the earth

This guy gave up an amazing job with highlevel mathmatics to make DF, he loves DF.

This isn't some early access meme, this is the lifes work of a genius and his brother

>>385130330
no my good dude, lnb pretty much makes a user interface for settings options and shitty plugins that crash the game. also vanilla is more stable and gives you the skills to fuck around in lnb later on. masterwork is a hot dumpster fire, never use masterwork.

>>385130330
Using LNB is amazing for starters, getting the hang of settings and so on, don't use utilities other than Therapist and if you'd like soundsense.

>>385130502
Is just an elitist, the clunkyness of vanilla is what makes LNB good for starters, also lets you change tilesets easily

>>385116830
>>385117354
Listen to this guy, if you push through the awkwardness, DF can be one of the most rewarding and fun game experiences you can have.

>>385119692
You called it >>385128247

>>385130731
No, I'm telling him that v-p-l instead of therapist is better because the therapist lags behind the main updates, causing rapistfags to be unable to navigate workers. when you learn art, you learn the darker, clunkier pencils first over the lighter, easier ones.
t.drawfag

>>385119152
My understanding is that DF is so complex that rendering it, even simply, just isn't practical. As far as I know, visual overlay programs for this game are extremely limited and can't render more than a small area in real time, if in real time at all.

If visual drabness is the price to pay for complexity, then players should deal with it. Rimworld is much simpler than DF it has to be in order to be rendered. And still it looks like dogshit. Since both of these games use visuals only as representation and not for beauty, I will settle for the most visual information and the most complexity that can coexist without burning my house down.

>>385124780
z-levels would be fantastic

>go after a bandit camp
>sniper sitting up in a wood tower
>set fire to the bottom of it

>>385130927
Can you do that in Dwarf Fortress?

>>385130897
Or he could learn with rapist and then move onto the horrendous v-p-l menu and don't try to tell me that men isn't one of the worst ones in DF

>>385130854
>replying to yourself

>>385119934
>having to redo it every time new features are added
It seems like you're completely missing the point. People are complaining precisely because of the slapdash inconsistent U.I. changing at random rather than one logical format to cover everything, which would eliminate the need for "redoing" anything once established.

>>385131035
That menu is not the worst one. equipping your soldiers with new equipment is. Also
>therapistfags
>ever learning to use vpl

>>385118280
As shitty as DF UI is, he's overstating it.
Skyrim's UI is worse than DF's and Todd didn't try to make it shitty intentionally.

It's just that DF is very UI heavy, so every shitty aspect of it is multiplied.

>>>385116285
>The only thing that stops me is the lack of z levels.
Fucking this.

>>385131025
yes

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>>385131171
I usually set up a new uniform every time I start military, holy god it sucks

when will he fix them not picking up armour?

>I started with LNP
>I play every new update on launch
>use LNP and Rapist as soon as they come out
>Fuck dealing with those shit menus when I can alt-tab and deal with it much easier

I'm a lazy fuck and I like it

>>385131369
Well i see you. but its harder to adjust to vpl from rapist than it is the other way around

>>385130915
I believe you misunderstand.
The complaints like that anon's aren't about visually rendering everything or even anything but the actual menus and user interface being inconsistent and as obtuse to use as is possible without deliberately trying to make it bad.

>>385124425
It's pretty good but there a few dungeons with some really bullshit environmental hazards. Like that fucking desert one with the worms fuck that place

>>385131505
I get what you're getting at, but I just think that the adjustment from therapist to vpl is less rough than having to learn vpl while getting used to everything else DF is throwing at a new player, you're a reasonable guy, sorry I called you an elitist

>>385118280
No, not really.

Yes, it's true that DF's interface is bad and in some parts inconsistent. Almost nobody will deny it, and those that do deny it are simply too used to it to notice it. That part is entirely true. But he's vastly overstating how bad it really is and how much time it takes to learn to use it, especially when compared to the actual complexity of the game. Exaggerating the problem for comedic effect is all well and good, but this reads more like a sperg losing his shit over something he doesn't like than a comedic exaggeration.

>>385131876
Its okay anon, vpl is not that bad compared to military. but if you suffer more, you relax later.

>>385131067
>everyone who triggers me is a big bad boogeyman conspiracy!
wew kid, if I were them I would have just said that you proved my point
samefagging wouldn't even make sense here. There's no need for the appearance of majority support because it's just a case of >>385128247 providing an example of what that anon was talking about. Purposefully wanting the U.I. to be shit to keep out le normies and have your super secret club which is ego-strocking/bragging in its own way.

DF is a pretty shit game, it's a fun simulation tool but that's it. Remove the sekrit club factor and it would have a lot less "fans".

It's something you inevitably understand after a few dozen hours in it.

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>>385116165
>dorfortres

With a similar theme is hard to come by, as it's a pure program game and requires a lot of imagination.

My favourite thing to do with DF is to forget about it for a year, then come back and see what level of autistic detail the Devs have reached this time.

>>385131976
Military will always be bad.
I just want danger rooms back so I atleast only had to deal with equipping them, when that bugfest was over I had a good military

DF is pure ludo

>>385119152
The thing is nobody who matters actually wants a "bigger player base." And I'm not saying that out of some kind of obnoxious elitism, I'm saying that because Dwarf Fortress is a non-commercial hobby project made by one autistic guy. He makes Dwarf Fortress because he likes it and doesn't care if he makes millions off it or not. He doesn't care about moving bigger numbers because he's got nothing to gain from it.

If this was a commercial game made you'd have a point, but why would anyone care about making the game more accessible to casuals when he's not actually trying to sell it to anyone? And when the existing and still slowly expanding playerbase, for better or worse, is more than able to handle the game in its current state?

>>385130915
No, the guy who made Dorf is great at classical programming but has no idea what to do graphics wise and more to the point doesn't care.

>>385132210
oh fuck dude, i miss 1000 wooden training spears room. i tried that in 42.06 when i first got it and all my military dudes ended up with severed nerves and shit

>>385132375
There was something magical about having to keep females out of your military so they didn't give birth in the middle of the danger room

Or make all female squads and watch the bloodbath

>Want to create an idyllic dwarf village
>come up ideas for compact and efficient labour systems, burrows, organisational hierarchy
>spend hours picking the perfect kit, naming every dwarf, making spreadsheets
>start new world
>play for 5 minutes then quit

anyone else do this?

>>385132263
Didn't mention money.

Hes making a game he enjoys. Far more people could be enjoying it if it wasn't for the grade A bullshit that is the UI/controls/general user experience. It's bad design no matter what kind of excuse you throw at it.

>>385132728
He's making a game he enjoys
The way he wants
Towards the goal he chose.

He is of the firm belief that saving UI and such for after mayor gameplay overhauls will be better for development and as his focus is not on user friendliness but rather functionality, he's right

>>385130105
Dont listen to retards, there is always someone saying you shouldnt do something, just ignore them; if anything lnp is great for not having to dig into inits every fucking intallation to change shit around and download every shitty utility on its own.

As far as 3rd party shit goes, Ive heard that latest releases fucked something up and made of them not work, so you need to do some digging.

Therapist is great for keeping sanity if youre playing 50+ forts. Just don't use it weird cheat/reveal parts.

Dfhack is great for several reasons : removing outdoors crap that noone ever will bother cleaning or seeing what rock layer types are on your embark (because toady in his infinite wisdom has removed that feature from the game) and my favourite : being able to designate buildings without a valid connection. Trying to build anything big without this is a waste of your time.

Soundsense is great but everytime ive used it needed manual fixing. You can download shit but it wont play becaue its not actually hooked in the files. Good shit once you set it up though.


Oh and forget about the vanilla world generation rules. There is no fucking way in hell youll generate world to a year 1050 with current feature bloat. Go something like 200 or 300.

>>385132263
He might not care if it makes millions but the guy literally lives off of donations for the game.

>>385132728
I get that, and I agree that the UI is bad, but my point is why would Toady be interested in spending time on it? He's not trying to make the game commercially viable and there are plenty of people willing to deal with the UI as is, so there's nothing to gain from working on the UI. And why would he choose to do something he doesn't enjoy when there's nothing to be gained from it? Just because it might please some people who can't be bothered to learn his game? Why would he?

>>385132975
He's supported by his brother and probably gets autismbux. The donations are just a nice extra. If he actually needed the money to sustain himself he wouldn't be giving away the game for free.

>>385132715
I'm the opposite
>decide i want to start off a fort today
>Just get the necessities down today and then look at what I can do with the fort tomorrow
>8 hours later and I have 100 dwarfs divided by social standing into three different miniforts each divided by Z level, the highest standing members of society living in the magma sea

And I didn't do anything productive for a few days

>>385133240
You know he literally gave up an insanely well paying job doing math for making dwarf right?

Dude doesn't care about the money, he just needs enough to feed himself
He's not trying to turn a profit, he's got no one breathing down his neck, he's just making the game he wants to make.

factorio is fun

>>385133240
He sustains himself on soda despite getting thousands in donations.

>>385133410
That's what I said. He's not in it for the money, so he has no interest in trying to make his game more appealing to casuals or otherwise making it more commercially viable.

>>385116165
Just play Dwarf Fortress. UI is a bit intimidating at first, but it becomes second nature after about an hour.

You could try RimWorld if you're really afraid but it gets boring after a while.

>>385133537
>game more appealing to casuals
Youre talking out of your ass and have not read FotF threads.

>>385123169

>STEM field

in the near future if you don't have an at least average WPM your gonna be labeled clinically retarded

>>385134095
I can't tell if you simply can't read or if you're genuinely retarded.

>>385119589
Use the LazyNewbPack
It comes with some very useful addons (Dwarf Therapist) and like 7-8 community made tile sets.

>>385134220
Thats because you have a severe case of stupidity going on. Go read the fucking forums and educate yourself as to why toady hasnt done shit about the UI before you start talking shit.

>>385133537
I also think this is why he won't give DF's source code anytime soon. Toady probably code DF in a way that only he can understand which part does what and he can't be bothered with making a documentation for it.

Dwarf Fortress' UI is like Brood War hotkeys. Some are dumb but most work perfectly fluidly.
Casuals, reddit, and normies leave please

I quoted a bunch of posts that said the word game but it would be too big a shitpost.

>game
He's not making a game, he's making a random history generator.
For years he has shown no interest in making it anything more than barely "playable," and certainly not in making anything well designed, balanced, or fun.

>MUH UI
You get used to it in a day
Dorf Fort gets boring when you can almost always survive fun and lose to FPS death

>>385134889
>most work perfectly fluidly
Bed: b>b
(b)uild > (b)ed

Masonry: b>w>m
(b)uild > (w)orkshops > (m)asonry

>Some are dumb
Kitchen: b>w>z
(b)uild > (w)orkshops > (z)itchen

>>385134958
You pretty much need to bring the fun yourself.

In the current version, invasions and sieges are so rare that you mostly need to be really into the big projects to get anything out of it.

I'm building a huge, multi-storey stone labyrinth designed to collapse into lava, with a water tank on top that will also fall into the lava. It will be full of bears.

When I breach hell, this will be the only available path to the fort.

It's taking forever.

>>385134958
>For years he has shown no interest in making it anything more than barely "playable," and certainly not in making anything well designed, balanced, or fun.
This

I spent literal hundreds of hours on DF and would still want to go back, but there is nothing to go back to.
Almost all the new additions are history generators and similar worthless bullshit.

Rimworld is what DF would look like if Toady was sane.
Instead we have a mess that gets slower with every new update, still doesn't handle creature AI sanely, has terrible UI that only gets worse with new updates, and requires Rapist to manage forts bigger than starting 7.

>>385132363

"Great" is an understatement. Toady's coding would be legendary if he hadn't spent 15 years of his life doing meth and fucking whores.

>>385135463
>Instead we have a mess that gets slower with every new update
>aka. Doesn't read the forum


he regularly explains what hes doing, what he needs to do, what he plans to do and what might have to get done by next update, how far he thinks he is and so on.

>>385135681
sorry toady but I'm fed up, it's been years and nothing has happened
I'm not donating either

>>385135949
Last year's update was pretty fucking big.
What the fuck is wrong with your brain?

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>>385116165
Are you even a real dwarf? What have you done for the mountain home, anon?

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Was magic added to the game yet?

>>385116165
They all suck including dwarf fortress

>>385134594
Toady has a guy in mind who will receive the source code in case he dies before finishing the game.

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I haven't played in a few years. What are the big additions?

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>>385136210

>>385136279
No but your dorves can write books.

Visitors can take the books with them when they leave. Visitors slow the game down a lot by crowding the tavern and drinking all your booze.

Exterminate visitors wherever you see them.

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>>385136373
That was the fort that I use for inspiration, here an early attempt

>>385123169
doubt.jpg

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>>385136606
The only thing that need exterminating are FILTHY ELVES

>>385136083
>procedurally generated dances and books
>no actual gameplay in sight

>>385132728
The other anon's right. It is bad, but Toady doesn't need an excuse. His belief is gameplay first, and I agree with it. I've played enough games with unintuitive design for it not to bother me so much. Except military. Fuck military. If he focused on interface the game wouldn't be as in depth as it is now, which is what I care about. Just because you don't doesn't mean it's an excuse. It's a difference in philosophy.

>>385136083
fortress mode is the exact same broken shit it's always been since I started playing in 40d
>Last year's
I'm done toady

>>385136883
Calm down bro.
I have so many skeletons of elven scholars. So many.

I always keep the elves sweet just long enough to buy a breeding set of dangerous animals, then I start the killing. Soon I will have enough black bears to eliminate a whole elven siege, entirely with black bears.

It's the circle of life.

>>385136917
>gameplay first
In what heavenly fantasy world does Toady believe this

>>385119364
This is very true. Aurora UI is like filling out forms, which should make intuitive sense to people.

DienWorlds or TrafficWorlds.

The UI isn't really 'bad', it's just intimidating.
If you were to look at other ASCII games, you'd find much worse. Much, much worse.

>>385136890
>He doesn't set up libraries to become the literal capital of the world

pleb

>>385119589
ASCII isn't the problem with dorffort and is one of the easier things to adjust to.

>>385137476
I can never get my paper industry good enough to start writing books :\

>>385137203
The one where he made eyelids work.

>>385137421
crawl soup, angbang, random debian games and nethack have better uis

Toady should care less about muh random generated history and fix more stuff

>>385136606

What about visitors that bring books that contain secrets of life and death turning anyone reading them into a necromancer?

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>>385137664
>crawl soup
DIE YOU DEMON YOU AREN'T GOING TO FOOL ME AGAIN

>>385137584
it took me some time to get it down, but in the end it comes down to having enough pig tail production to keep it and clothing going

>>385137805
>Not relishing in having undead dwarves
>A military and menial workforce that doesn't need to sleep or eat

sounds like a dream

>>385138045
don't zombies automatically attack anything that isn't also undead?

>>385137664
>angbang
Sounds lewd