Civ

at least they look ugly
tumblr is great at making black people look ugly as fuck

>>385111454
So when will they actually fix the game instead of shitting out more civs?

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>>385111454
>a black fat sassy woman
this is memes

>>385111454
I see why they made the doors so wide on those ziggurats.

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wow jeez guys I don't know why you are hating this is a really original and diverse character design

looks like a fun civ

>>385111454
>An african civ
>The leader is an ugly black woman
...And? That's realistic, not sure what everyone is sperging about

>>385111454
too productive for a fat black lady
its even better than Germany and the ranged units bonus is too good
Firaxis really needs the money, right?

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>>385111973

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>Have to sacrifice a tile next to your capital for a meager 40% bonus

>>385111973
We've reached a point where someone just being black or female is enough to cause a massive spergout.

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>>385111454
Good lord. At least Revolutions had the decency to give us a sheboon that wouldn't be an eyesore.

>>385111897
Who is hating this? It is fucking fantastic. All I could hope for. I want to see what it looks like when you piss her off. UH-UH HONEY I DON'T NEED NO MAN!

>>385112123
No one wants to look at a landwhale.

Why did they make her fat?

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>>385111454
>all their bonuses unlock with masonry
>which means they will never have any bonuses

>>385112216
because it was after America enslaved her race and force-fed them KFC and McDs

>>385111454
"A minotaur, eh?"

Meh, the abilities seem pretty boring. It's just a production/building focused civ. We have plenty of those already.

>>385112123
Well historically those two things have never accomplished anything noteworthy.
So it's reasonable to be upset when devs try to make them relevant.

You guys do realize everyone in Civ VI (with MAYBE the exclusion of Cleopatra) are ugly as shit right?

>>385111973
>An african civ
>realistic
africans are in the game, they're the barbarians

>nubian leader is a literal mammy
>americans in charge of cultural sensitivity

>>385112407
I disagree

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>literally a hoochie mama

I can't breathe send help

>>385112361
production is literally the only thing that matters in Civ 6

>>385112407
>(with MAYBE the exclusion of Cleopatra)

but cleopatra was ugly

nice job firaxis

>literally just like two anons are discussing the actual civ traits
>everyone else is discussing why a nubian queen is black and fat

>>385112470
Who do you find attractive then?

is this shit game even worth playing yet?

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>>385112407
Which is pretty fucked up. They don't need to make them ugly since we know they're not even going for an accurate representation for a lot of them (Jap leader being the worst offender).

They have them mostly be hotties like in V but nope.

>>385112407

No, Teddy is god tier.

>>385112407
>Mommy Jadwiga is ugly

Kill yourself anytime

>>385112534

fuck no

>le fat black sassy womyn dat dont need no man
WE

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>>385112519
/v/ isn't for vidya discussion, if you want that then go to /vg/ retard

>>385112534

vanilla civ 6 is fine. It's not nearly the shitshow vanilla civ 5 was.

>>385112519
more stupid adjacency bonuses
another useless improvement you'll never work because mines are the only tile improvement that matters
wow

>>385112552
Women get threatened by other women being prettier than them

Only men can appreciate both sexes

>>385112552
>a producer having anything to do with concept and character modeling

>>385112407
I totally would a Tomyris.

>>385112142
>cleopatra
>black

>>385112527
Jadwiga is thicc, Tomyris is cute

>>385111454
>nubia
>civilization

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Like always, wait for expansions for this to be good

>>385112407
fuck you

>>385112620
But it's nowhere near the heights BNW reached. Most people have already gone back to V, even those Yogscast guys went back.

>>385112552
The top isnt even that good but the bottom is literally manfaces wtf

>>385112573
I mean if you like pig noses I guess, go ahead

>>385112748
maybe with a bag over her head

>>385112407
but she us ugly INSIDE the civ6 universe
cant wait for her head-shake when she declares war on you "uh-uhh, you didn honey"

>>385112687
Nice try, Kathleen Kennedy.

>>385112748
That looks like a potato with downs syndrome.

>>385112620
It's not fine at all. It's less of a shitshow than 5 was, but it's still a dull and repetitive game with a completely dysfunctional AI.

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>black female leader
>still no Nzinga instead of that fucking shithead who rolled over and converted

baka desu senpai

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>so far just new civs, no talk of an expac

What do you want them to add, /v/? I just want more government polices and great people, disregarding game mechanic issues.

>>385112620
>>385112778
vanilla civ 5 sucked because it was barebones without any systems
vanilla civ 6 has all the systems of civ 5 bar world congress, they're just shit

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>>385112683

>>385112783
Kek Tomyris is Steve Martin in drag.

>>385112893
good AI
a religious victory that isn't garbage

>>385112893
I want civ 5 with civ 6's great person system and the ability to go wide

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>>385112687
>implying the character artists just do whatever they want and don't follow the lead of whomever is in charge of the game's development

>>385112992
producers aren't art directors

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WOW ANOTHER POL/V WAR I WONDER HOW THAT WILL COME OUT.

>>385112987
Do you really prefer government skill trees over civ4/6?

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>>385112552
>one game goes for a slightly more realistic style
>another game goes for political cartoon tier style

makes you think about why the women on the bottom are different looking

i'm not really bothered, the animations are fun

>>385112552
>over eight months later this shit is still being posted

>>385113082
the government system is decent but I prefer the social polices over just turning culture into another tech tree

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>>385112404
What counts as noteworthy and why does it matter?

>>385112893
If we're just talking additions instead of plain fixes, it's padding out the tech tree, mostly. Ages zip past way too quickly and they can't really cut production costs because fucking 1UPT. The retards split the techs into two groups and now the game suffers from progressing twice as fast as it should.
Beyond that, world congress is a must, there's just nothing to do diplomatically otherwise.
And bring back the palace expansions from Civ 1

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>>385113063
>implying there is a war
>implying this board isn't rightful /pol/ clay
go back to tumbblit

>female character isn't a teenage girl
>/v/ takes a shit in their pants

>>385113290
you can shit out units three times as fast in 6 and you can in 5 with all the unit production polices

>>385113330
You know tumblr has a /pol/ tier community on it right?

>>385113446
NAZBOL BROS WW@

>>385113378
If its actually three times as fast that sounds like shiet but the time taken to produce units in 5 was too slow for my tastes, if war is more viable in 6 I might pick it up.

>>385112142

this character isn't for you

>>385113378
Yeah, and they'll still be obsolete by the time they make it to the border. Some of the ages are just two fucking techs away from each other.
And don't even get me started on the early ages Great People, all of that content is almost completely wasted.

>>385112404

Some british and asian queens were noteworthy. Victoria or Elizabeth for example

>fat sassy black shananay
>a kang
not even niggers are that dumb

The bonuses and such for the new civs are legit interesting (Australia being a shitposting civ will never fail to amuse me) but there's just something really boring about the game right now. I think I'll get back in when an expansion is released.

>>385111454
New Civs are good and I'm not complaining, but expansion fucking when? They REALLY need to get on that already to fix the game's flaws so people can finally leave Civ V behind.

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>>385112404
Oh anon. I doubt you've ever done anything worthy either. Seeing as how you're on this wonderful site filled with great inventors, scientists, and scholars.

>>385113728


ONLY POLES

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>no zulu's

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>>385112404
>women never accomplished anything

Where do you people come up with this shit

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Are these desert mountains new? I don't think I've ever seen mountains that look like that in-game before

>>385111454
>BEAUTY STANDARDS IN THE PAST WHERE NOT DIFFERENT FROM TODAY'S REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Deal with it OP. Big figures meant wealth and health in several cultures.

>Fat black woman with bonus to gunz and pyramids
I like it

>>385111454
Mum?

>>385113845
Well I heard Mozart is still alive somewhere but I am not allowed to out myself anywhere

>>385112992
Producers don't have any kind of directing force or influence over the game.

>>385113979
STILL ALIVE

>>385113957
This. Actually giving ancient queens fatass statures makes sense.

Having a sassy black woman is also good for the range of personalities in the game.

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>>385113979

This is all well and good, but what's the WE status?

>>385113990
>There are people that actually think this

>>385112881
That's the consequence of the more fantastical, almost cartoonish art-style. If she was done up in a realistic style than I'd guarantee she's Mommy tier.

>>385114146
Do you even know what a producer is?

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>>385114138
WE WUZ CIVILIZATION N' SHIEETTTT

Seriously though, I'm genuinely hyped about the Nubians. Let the memes commence.

>>385113682
>there's a ancient era Great Admiral

Ancient era feels so rushed: you have to settle, scout, clear barbarians, claim city-states, snach a prophet, rush wonders, improve tiles, build trade routes, leech early cities, all while taking 6 turns for an archer. They should really give the bonuses of immortal AI for everyone (free builder, extra settlers and warriors).

>>385113957
Big figures was more lick thicc than fat

>>385114138
Nubians were black, so, eh

they were also the ones responsible for the WE meme because there was a Nubian-Egyptian dynasty

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>>385114376
Wait a gosh darn second, did Firaxis nip the WE WUZ meme in the bud by having a Nubian civilization alongside an Egyptian civilization? If you want to play a Kang, you play the Nubians.

Oh my god, imagine the memery if there's a new achievement for conquering Egypt as Nubia.

>>385114138
Nubians literally were kings

>>385112412
Egypt is in Africa. Egypt was far from barbarianism. (aside from the widespread slavery, of course.)

>>385112881

that's the poles for you

>>385114525
>Achievement unlocked: Rekt by a Nub

>>385114559
So you're saying the WE status is...

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>>385114138
WE
WUZ
QWEENS
N
SHIEET

>>385113761
Districts are impossible to improve obv

>>385112573
>>385112748\
jadwiga was a cute 10-13 years old loli when she "ruled" she married wladyslaw jagiello at 13 and he became the king then and they turned her into an ugly adult bitch

>>385111454
WTF? Why is she fat? Is she an SJW? I need a hot black subhuman niggeress to beat off to!

>>385114974
>Why is she fat? Is she an SJW?
That makes most of /v/ SJWs
Fitting, given they never shut the fuck up about race

>nubian
>isn't nubile

very fucked up

Her leader ability sounds really OP as well.

>>385115115
you're an idiot
that'd be like complaining about a character from greece not being very greasy

>>385114974
Black people tend to pack on weight easier than others, and the wealthy queen of a prosperous kingdom will have a LOT of food.

>>385114972
Modern sensibilities trump historical accuracy in the case of showing a hot 13 year old that was regularly getting smashed by her husbando.

Is this the last free piece of poop we get for ordering deluxe edition?

>>385114376
the nubian egypt dynasty lasted less than a century though
egypt was already a fucking dead shithole when the nubs conquered them anyway

can i get a WE?

>>385115290
no

>>385115204

take one look at the greek leader models and tell me they ain't greasy

>>385114972
>>385115228

>adwiga was a cute 10-13 years old loli when she "ruled"

When she BEGAN her rule yes, she then ruled until she was almost 30. Them depicting her as roughly 17-20 something isn't bad.

>>385115290
fuck off back to r/4chan

>>385114138
they waz, but this woman wasn't the greatest leader of the Nubians. it's feminist/normie pandering.

>>385112552
>“With the ‘Age of Exploration’ theme in particular, we knew we were going to make the map more important with the game,” lead designer Ed Beach says in a developer video produced by Kinda Funny’s Greg Miller. “And what better way to kind of bring that out [than] to just have the art style reflect it?”
Get mad at Ed Beach, who formerlly worked on Gods & Kings and Brave New World, for the cartoony style instead of latching onto the first pink haired xir you see

I know they announced 2 DLCs, this is the African one. what did they say the other one would be? an Asian civ? I forget

>>385115521

forcing a 50/50 split has lead to some really awkward leaders in/exclusions

>>385111454
god damn I hate this dlc format
give us real updates that actually fix the game ffs

>>385115652

It's not even close to 50/50.

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>>385115365
>13 year old Polish teen queen getting fucked by her freshly-converted 24 year old Lithuanian husbando

>>385115772
>give us real updates that actually fix the game ffs

ed "incompetent clown" beach couldn't fix shit even if he wanted to

>>385115652
Sometimes I wonder if people on /v/ have ever played Civ 2.

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>>385111454
Any bonuses in pancake production?

>>385112552
idk, but Victoria does things to my dick

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straya still best civ

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GET YO ASS UP AN GIMME DEM RESOURCES NIGGUH

God I fucking hate niggers do much. Why can't they fuck off from my games?

>>385115851

Ed Beach fixed Civ V so I don't see why he can't fix his own game.

>>385116103
>this is what vbabbs actually believe

>>385116168
>being a delusional civ iv babby

Civ V complete is fine. It took two full expansions worth of content but they fixed it.

>>385113059
Yeah and guess who tells them what to do? The producers. When people talk about studio meddling, they're talking about the producers coming in and changing everything to what they think would be better because "Blah blah blah the charts and current trends show blah blah blah we'll make more money and look better as a company doing it this way". It's very rare these days for a director to have total control over their project. Hell that was the reason Lucas himself wanted to break away from the studio system and be independent which ironically he ended up becoming that very system he hated during the development of Empire.

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>>385116045
waaaah

>>385111704
UH UH UH

>>385116262
It's a shitty game where you're running on a constant perk treadmill. The skinnerboxy design permeates every aspect of it, all you're doing is repeating the same steps to produce ever increasing quantities of a bajillion different abstract resources to get your next reward. Diplomacy is completely dysfunctional, war brainless and even the balance is fucked. It also gets completely stale by the midgame and attempts to give you something to do by drowning you in idiotic micro that has fuck all to do with running a civilization, like archeology or theming museum exhibits.
It's the same kind of addictive "fun" like Runescape or Diablo or any of the mass produced browser games.

>>385114624
The 25th Dynasty of Egypt was Nubian. The Ghana Empire was good for about 800 years from AD400 onwards. The Swahili were a major trade partner with the Islamic world and the Indian Ocean. The Mali were massively rich and civilized too. Axum is one of the oldest continuously inhabited regions of Africa and had a civilization and monuments around the time of the Roman empire.

Hoestly, it was really only the southern-most parts of Africa, from modern-day Nigeria down to the horn, excluding the Eastern coast, which were typically 'primitive'.

There. Now can we please fucking shut up about this? The meme is old and stale and I have had just about enough of this bullcrap. Yes, Europeans and the Chinese were more advanced. We get it. Africa was not without its own achievements however.

>>385113856
>>>/r/gaming

>>385117360
You're on 4chan. Where people don't realise that the early European attempts to penetrate info africa resulted in massive amounts of Europeans getting BTFO followed by 60 years of scheming to try and create enough unrest and dissent that they could force their way in.

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>>385111454
>Let's make a black civ
>Stereotypical big black momma

I'm sold.

>>385116032
I thought this was Cecil rhodes and almost gave Sid his company's balls back.

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>>385111454
I just love how triggered /v/ gets at non-white people in their games. This thread has sustained me, thank you.

>>385118081
Not to mention 60 years of technological advances to make the job a hell of a lot easier, or to develop medicines to fight a variety of diseases kicking Euro ass the same way Euro diseases massacred the new world. And we STILL didn't get much done without co-opting local rulers, as Africa was just not suitable for mass-migration the way the Americas were!

And for FUCK'S sake, none of these people have even once VAGUELY considered the role of geography in shaping civilizations, or achievements kept in aural traditions that got destroyed when the villages, tribes and whatever were uprooted to use as labour for the Europeans. FFS, there were tribes that had better steel-working techniques than Europeans had until the machine age! And I'd love to see THEM try and build a European or Chinese-style civilization in an area with literally no geographical resemblance to Europe or China! Fucking morons.

>i don't have a problem with black people, why does the games industry act like there's an issue
>

>>385118432
Don't forget a concentrated effort to sabotage Mali's attempts to become a gunpowder nation.

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I've never played a civ game. Is this one a good place to start?

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>>385118335
yeah, and rhodesia and andrew jackson and hitler too

god you guys are boring

>>385111454
Why so fucking fat?

>>385118998
No, IV is the best one, play that

>>385118998
Civ games as a rule are best when they've had expansions. Get 4 or 5 complete, check back in on 6 when it gets a few expansions.

Civ 5 complete might be your best bet, easiest to get into, but 4 is fine too. Both have a lot of good mods

>>385118998
Civ V is

>>385119075
>>385119118
Thank you.
Are those games worth buying?

>>385111454
more like THICCvilization

>>385119287

Buy them on sale for $10.

>Its funny how there are so many africans in Civilization even though africa never actually developed Civilization... Someone didnt do their history homework!

loving these comments

>>385118432
Mate you're discussing history with /v/. Most people probably have never heard about anything you've just said and will assume it's a fabrication because it's too difficult to do a few searches and figure it out using one of the most important achievements in human history.

>>385119327
ok

>>385111454
Humanity originated in Africa, and as long as human societies have existed, so has economic activity.

>>385118432
>FFS, there were tribes that had better steel-working techniques than Europeans had until the machine age!

Yeah I'm gonna call bullshit on that

>>385118887
That too. But it'd take a damn sight more than gunpowder to make African nations strong. The point is, by adopting European models of cities and nations, Africans have made themselves more vulnerable to diseases that thrive on their continent. Malaria rates among native Africans were much, MUCH lower when their villages were smaller, less inter-connected and not build so close to waterways, in the European style.

Gunpowder was only one step. A nation needs a standing army of soldiers, a sitting army of bureaucrats and a crawling army of informers. Some people also say a kneeling army of priests, but given the modern world is working out well, I'd discount that.

>>385118998
>>385119287
Like others have said, go with 4 or 5. They're still fun. The only good thing Civ 6 brought was the decentralization of cities.

>>385118887
>Don't forget a concentrated effort to sabotage Mali's attempts to become a gunpowder nation.

Tell me more

>>385118432
>>385119546
>being this apologetic for a continent that was abundant in natural resources, free of harsh winters and had rich soil to grow crops in yet its natives never amounted to anything resembling any ancient European civ of antiquity

top kek

>>385119535
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_metallurgy_in_Africa

I wouldn't say they were "better" but it's not something to scoff at either.

>>385111454
WE WUZ FACTUALLY CORRECT CIVILIZATIONS WHICH INTERACTED WITH ANCIENT EGYPT AND SHIEEEEEEEET

Next up is Justin Trudeau leading the proud Chinese colony of Canada

>>385119875
iron =/= steel

I don't think there was ever a single steel sword forged in Africa so how can you come here with your blatant historical revisionism and claim they had better steel-working techniques than any European nation up till the Industrial revolution.

>>385112407
>My nigger Gilgamesh
>Ugly.

Fuck off

>>385112748
I want to blitzkrieg her borders.

>>385119836
>a continent that was abundant in natural resources, free of harsh winters and had rich soil to grow crops in

I mean, in places where that was actually true (which discounts a huge part of central Africa), people did develop agriculture, cultures and architecture, even if you don't count the most fertile area of the continent, which is Egypt. Especially Western and Abbysinian Africa did definitely count for something

>>385119658
Mostly portugal specifically isolating Malian trade as much as it could and never trading weapons even to the Malian claimants it tried to support to the throne.

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Are you ready for the SFM porn of her?

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>>385120205
watch delusional thiccfags claim it thicc rather than straight up obese

>>385120205
We haven't even had porn of Cleopatra yet. I don't know what the big hold up is.

>>385120203
Because Malis were cunts and refused to supply fleets on their way to India, meaning they had to scrounge what supplies they could in Cabo Verde

>>385119535
>>385119875
Way I heard it, it was basically blast furnace quality, without the temperature, which had the Europeans (when they eventually thought to ask the natives how they did things) scratching their heads and going, "Wait, say whaaaat?"

>>385119836
REALLY? You wanna fucking compare sub-Saharan Africa to Egypt?! Let's fucking GO then, asshole!

For starters, Egypt had a little thing called the NILE RIVER, one of the longest, most navigable stretches of water on the PLANET, with regular and highly predictable flooding; not to mention access to Mediterranean trade throughout the Bronze Age; they also had few natural borders, forcing them to expand and maintain a standing army to protect against invaders.

This is on top of a MASSIVE food surplus brought about by, surprise surprise, the Nile's flooding and crops that were native to the sale latitude as Egypt, which were lucky enough to have high calorie yields, such that the south Africans had no access to. On top of that, Egypt had none of the diseases that thrive in dense urban areas, allowing them to build cities and societies that supported specialists. Meanwhile in South Africa, malaria was and is a MUCH bigger deal, forcing the natives to build their villages far from water ways and on high ground where the mosquitoes did not go. This isolated them from their neighbors, meaning they never had to expand or compete, which in turn meant they never HAD to develop in the same way Egypt did.

It all comes down to GEOGRAPHY, you fucking ignorant sub-human! Genetics is the SMALLEST part that determines the path a civilization takes! South Africa, for all its richness, was in no way conducive to creating civilizations that could, or even needed to take advantage of it!

>>385120205
won't happen. the only people who make those SFM porn vids are primarily into futa and not niggers

>>385120294
for this new character there will be an even bigger HOL UP

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>>385111454
Will she snap her fingers when she declares war?

>>385112748
>They chose Jadwiga instead of based Jagiełło
y tho

>>385120490
I can tell you get your history lessons from Extra Credits - Extra History shit

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Weird leader choices.

>>385120661
>pious loli vs pagan balticoon

>>385120672
I'm almost sure extra credits never did an episode on geographic determinism and its role in the development of Africa.

>>385120592
yes, along with the z-motion of one arm and head swinging

>>385120661
Because vaginas probably

>>385111454
Pfft, the last time I've seen nubians as a separate civ in game was Rise of Nations

>>385120720
The black girl's bonuses seem okay. Better mines and archers. Her unique improvement seems a bit wank but then I don't know how much it cuts district building time by.

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>>385113979
I miss this meme

>>385111454
Considering they put fucking Gilgamesh in as a leader, pretty much anything goes I guess.

>>385120720
The leader choices are fine if they'd actually do what they implied from the start, GIVE EVERY CIV ALTERNATE LEADERS. Instead, it's still only fucking Greece, even putting Alexander in a different Civ, which is fucking dumb.

I'd love to play this France with Napoleon or De Gaulle, or play as Nzinga or Henry VIII or whatever. Alternate leaders actually make weird leaders awesome, but they haven't really gone for it yet.

>>385120830
They did not.

>>385120672
Guns, Germs and Steel actually. Read a book some time, or just watch the documentary.

I mean what's your argument? That Africans are just naturally stupid? Yes, that holds a LOT of water, clearly. Let's ignore every possible environmental factor and focus on the results and the perspective of people 200 years ago, LOOKING for a reason to believe themselves naturally superior to everyone else.

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>>385120720
Trajan just HAS to have been a renamed Caesar, right? He's literally Asterix Caesar.

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>>385121140
>Guns, Germs and Steel
>Jared Diamond

protip: Jared Diamond is not a fucking historian

The argument is against historical revisionism.

>>385121140
dude, don't start this, the armchair phrenologist crap spam will come out and the thread will turn into a stormfront shitfest

>>385111454

Negroes never made it out of the stone age.

Just FYI and all.

>>385121140
>Environment affects everything!
>B-but not the brain!

>>385116032
But that's not Gilgabro.

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>>385116032
>get a HUGE bonus to production when declared war upon, making it worth it to piss everyone off
>the best way to play Australia is to be a massive shitposter

noice

>>385121140
>Read a book some time, or just watch the documentary.

You mean the book that says you can't domesticate zebra?

Negroes had and have everything in Africa. It actually might be why they never needed to advance intelligence wise because of no selective pressures.

>>385121578
>You mean the book that says you can't domesticate zebra?

not that anon, but you can't, that's been known forever, they're too easily spooked

>>385121571
>wear emuspeak amulet

>>385121578
>You mean the book that says you can't domesticate zebra?
You can't. And before you post that picture of someone riding a zebra, it was tamed, not domesticated.

Also, if selective pressure is everything you need to develop civilisation, why haven't Inuits taken over the world?

>>385121578

Not every animal is valid for domestication. Tamed, perhaps.

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So are they just charging for 1 or 2 leaders instead of putting in efforts for an expansion that will make the game good?

>>385121246
Quite right, he is not a historian. He is an anthropologist, which is more than I can say for you. Further, as a student of history myself, I can tell you that I have learned a hell of a lot more and gained a lot more understanding of the WHY of history, through the study of human nature and their environment, than through the study of events themselves.

>>385121381
False. Black Africans made extensive use of iron weapons and tools made by their own metalsmiths.

>>385121256
>Implying it isn't already a stealth stormfest

>>385121413
>Never have access to tin
>Never invent bronze
>"You clearly must be too stupid!"

>Live 2,000 miles from the sea
>Never invent ships
>"Clearly you are too stupid to invent ships!"

That is your argument here. I never claimed the environment effected us physiologically; I claimed it shaped how and why societies developed in different ways.

>>385121754
Someone post that image collage, I don't have it

>>385121140
>jared diamond
Just stop

>>385119546
>Africa would be better if it was still backwards and tribal
Yeah you don't say because there wouldn't be five billion of those fucks since Africa can't reach a modern economy and therefore stabilize their birthrate.

>>385121915
>Choose to live in the middle of desert

>>385121915
>anyone who disagrees with my revisionist view of history as derived from an anthropologist leftist who is not even a historian is a NAZI STORMFAG!!!!!!!!11!!!111
>there is no room for critical debate you NAZIS

>>385121907
They're just putting out leaders continuously because that kind of thing is what games have done since the witcher 3.

It keeps the game fresh in everyone's minds.

>>385121754

Wrong. Type it in Google.

You can domesticate them just as you can wild horses.

>>385121790

>Also, if selective pressure is everything you need to develop civilisation, why haven't Inuits taken over the world?

Because selective pressures mean you adapt or don't to your environment, not whether you're the best at everything.

The colder and harsher Euro environment would have meant that the smarter people would survive more to pass on their genes.

Africa is a very mild environment in comparison.

Evolution is everything.

>>385122081
Nah its so they can break the meta and force people to buy their new leader DLC to stay competitive in multiplayer

>>385111454
Sounds overpowered as fuck.

>>385121915
>False. Black Africans made extensive use of iron weapons and tools made by their own metalsmiths.

Not Negroes.

Northern Africans, which are Caucasian. They're "black", but they're genetically Caucasian.

>>385122206
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_metallurgy_in_Africa

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>>385122110
Google literally gives me endless results of "no you can't domesticate it". Do you think they wouldn't be domesticated everywhere right now if that was true?

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>>385120720
Does anyone have smug Alexander's face? I love shitposting with the glorious bastard

>>385112519
There are like 2 people who play Civ VI.

>>385111454
>hutt shit
>fight with rocks and sticks

civilization ?

>>385121790
>Also, if selective pressure is everything you need to develop civilisation, why haven't Inuits taken over the world?
Its too harsh. There's a reason civilization didn't begin until after the last glacial maximum. You're also forgetting seasonal variation, Europe required populations to develop a sense of time and delayed gratification via low time preference to store for the winter. Africa did not hence,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_time

>>385122242

It literally says it most likely came from the Caucasians.

They themselves never developed past the stone age, like Oz Aboriginals.

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>>385122350
>american education

>people are complaining about many broken issues?
>let's give them a civ no one asked for
>make the leader a mammy, because fuck it

>>385121754
Maybe because Everytime someone tried to domesticate one some nigger would run up and spear it. Any mammal can be domesticated, hippos could have furfilled the role of oxen. Do you think a giant Auroch just showed up and was ready to be milked?

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>>385112118
>improvement that can be removed at any time
>can be placed on shitty desert tiles
>40 (FORTY) fucking % on the biggest production bottleneck throughout the entire game, when production is the most valuable yield to begin with

>no Huns
>no Genghis Khan
>no Carthage
>no Ottoman empire

Here, have a black fat lady instead.

>>385122080
Come on then, what's your reasoning? What's your critical debate? I'm providing reasons why people develop the way they do. YOU are just asserting, "They are significantly stupider than Europeans and the Chinese." Where is the proof of this? I am more than open to debate, but from where I'm sitting, it only looks like one of us is actually debating.

>>385122075
They DON'T live in the middle of the desert. They live in arid, semi-arid and jungles. Further, I'd love to see you migrate an entire community without even the benefit of horses.

>>385122390
I have one word for you then: Zulu.

>>385122449
Scythia's taken the spot of the Mongols

>>385121820
Domestication starts with taming, followed by breeding. That takes too much time so the lazy Africans ate the animals.

>>385122258

If you can tame something, you can domesticate it.

Do you think horses, cats and dogs were originally like they are now?

It takes time. You need to hand raise offspring, train them from an early age, and do it with their offspring. You eventually get "domesticated".

>>385111454
>most of the civs are still white (as they should be, historically)
>VI adds two (2) black African civs
>NOOOO THIS IS AN OUTRAGE MUH SJWS WAH WAH WAH

Why do you retards never complain about the actual problems with the game? It's always the most superficial fucking elements. It's almost as if 90% of you niggers don't actually play video games, and just watch LPers and follow the latest "news" and pretend to be gamers.

>>385121069
>De Gaulle
patrician choice but americunt are too butthurt

>>385122258
Why would people domesticate shittier horses if they already had horses? The better question is why you think horses were always friendly Clydesdales and ancient aurochs were just milling around waiting for the the lucky Europeans to milk and slaughter them.

FAT BLACK FEMALE SHORT HAIRED UGLY
Western games

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>>385122206
>Not Negroes.
These are a couple of weapons that tribes from the congo used

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>>385121140
>Guns, Germs and Steel

>>385122431

>Hippo's could have furfilled(sic) the role of oxen.

Mate I don't know how many hippos you've been around but they could never be domesticated for the role of oxen. Not even in the slightest. They are tempermental and dangerous animals, good luck trying to get them to do any work.

>>385122431
you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, why do you think so very few animals have been domesticated around the world? it's not like a domesicated lion or moose wouldn't have come in handy, but no-one did that

>>385122574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOmjnioNulo

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>>385122502
>Zulu

lmao

gunpowder > spears/arrows

>>385122602

Aurochs weren't tamed in europe, though. Maybe every animal COULD be domesticated, but some would be so much more easy.

>>385122502
>Further, I'd love to see you migrate an entire community without even the benefit of horses.
Like every American society pre-colombus did?

>>385122658
>used
implying they stoped

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>>385122658
>belgian-congo-fantasy-weapons.jpg

>>385122658

Tech was given to them by Northerners.

Sub-Sahara never got out of the stone age on its own.

They eventually used iron and steel, just like they eventually used AK-47s.

>>385120720
Was Gilgamesh even real?

Also
>what nation should we choose to represent Scandinavia?
>Denmark, who was the major Scandinavian power during the middle ages
>Sweden, a European great power during the 1600?
>Nah dude, Norway, since they did...they...had...vikings?

>>385122801
Now they used crack
>>385122805
They also have belgian

>>385122692
Do you think the original Aurochs were any different? Or good forbid wild boars? Wild pigs are worse than any hippo you have met in your life because they love to fuck and spit out little angry piglets.

>>385122726
Never what was being argued. The Zulu were a far southern African nation and they had iron tools and weapons, thus disproving the claim that 'negroes' never developed past the stone age.

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>>385122854
>still no Kalmar Union civ led by Margrethe

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>>385121754
>>385121924

no wrorries nigger apologist and senpai

>>385122898

Hippos are the deadliest animal in Africa

>>385122929
They weren't even a nation technically speaking

>>385122602
where do you see me argue that those animals were the friendly versions we see today? point is that not every animal is even suitable for domestication in the first place, and the danger involved isn't necessarily the deciding factor - social structures and not being easily spooked are, as well as being to reproduce quickly and easily

do you think there aren't a ridiculous amount of potentially domesticatable animals across the world if you were right? why didn't we just domesticate shit like deer or bears or otters or i don't know what the fuck

>>385122828
>>385122828
>Sub-Sahara never got out of the stone age on its own.
Anon...

>>385122258
The first result literally states that you can train them and domesticate them, but that it is simply impractical to do so. They're violent, have short attention spans, and they aren't built for labor short of pulling a cart, which even then, is a chore, as you'll need a train of zebras to do so in order for them not to fucking kill each other because one of them is in the wrong place.

>>385122696
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOmjnioNulo

Says what I said.

Evolution.

Some animals are better to domesticate, but a Zebra can be just fine. We never needed to do it, because horses.

>>385122696
There was no large civilization in Canada and the lion is in Africa which as already shown is full of lazy savages that can't see long term improvement from domestication.

>>385122949
>can't be domesticated they say

Well thats what happens when you take the words of an anthropologist as truth

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>>385120205

Every time a new civ is released, you get some shitskin asking the devs to make a civ out of their irrelevant ethnic group.

>>385122982

They never made it past the stone age on their own.

Same with the Oz Aboriginals.

>>385123074
Why do you care, you flustered little shit?

>>385123074
How dare people want their history represented.

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>>385122984
Damn, I wonder if it would've been impractical for ancient humans to do so too then, maybe with the negatives you mentioned there as well?

"Impractical to domesticate" was literally what stopped Africans from doing so

>>385122974
First it's 'negroes'. Then it's 'southern african negroes'. Then it's 'southern african negroe NATIONS'.

You keep moving those goalposts, anon! You're a goddamn champion at moving them!

>>385122760
No animal is any easier than another. All it takes is a steady hand taming over generations. Bigger animals taking more effort.

>>385122854
Gilgamesh was real

>>385122854
IIRC records indicate that there most likely did exist a king by name of Gilgamesh. He probably wasn't 2/3rds divine, though.

>>385123101
They have, there's videos that show their old blacksmithing technique

>>385122552
We have tons of zebra in places outside of Africa now and none have been domesticated.

>>385122982
they never invented the wheel before whites came along

>>385123192
I'm not the one you were arguing with

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>>385123026
>moose is only in canada
>and the lion is in Africa

woops you're retarded

>>385122854
Gilgamesh, the king, was real.

Gilgamesh, the demigod, probably wasn't real.

civ vi is the worst civ game to date.

play the endless games instead.

>>385123242
Don't need wheels if you have a Hippopotamus

>>385123026
But there's moose in Scandinavia and Russia.

Hell, there even used to be lions in Europe.

>>385123242
Plenty of places just stopped using the wheel. Hell Japan stopped using the wheel for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08wvDV3r3g&feature=youtu.be

>>385123134

>implying that Caucasians or Mongoloids wouldn't have domesticated them if that's all they had

Negroes didn't because they never thought of doing it.

Aboriginals in Oz, for example, domesticated dogs and used them for hunting; said dogs aren't considering "pets" today because they're wild.

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>>385120720
Why the fuck does everyone look like they walked out of Celebrity Deathmatch god dammit I hate Civ 6 so much.

>carthage and india domesticated elephants and what not
>m-muh zebras are mean they could never had done it

>>385122953
Yes, and? People that gave a shit and built civilization tamed elephants which are much larger but lacked a reason for domestication since they had only a niche use in war. Hippos on the other hand would have made a fantastic beast of burden to plow fields.

>>385123350
you're missing a key point
JPAS INVENTED THE WHEEL AT ONE POINT, THEY JUST STOPPED USING IT

SUB-SHARAN NIGGERS LITERALLY NEVER INVENTED ANYTHING

>>385123371
Oh yes, hypothetical incredibly smart Caucasians saving the day with their zebra domestication

Cmon dude

>>385123134
You stated in the post that they could not be domesticated. That is factually incorrect. They can be domesticated. There are even cases of proper domestication where zebras live among livestock, and several cases of being ridden for personal use by those patient enough to teach them. You were incorrect. Zebra domestication is possible. It just isn't done on a wide scale because there's no reason to.

As far as the indigenous population taming them, even the most advanced African civilizations never had a knack for domestication on any scale, at least not smart domestication. Maybe training monkeys to hunt boars, rather than domesticating boars.

>>385122431
if niggers cant raise their childrens imagine them trying to tame an animal ...

>>385123230

And it was given to them by Northerners.

They on their own, never got past the stone age. That's what we can conclude by all evidence.

Did this game actually have any improvements over 5? It just looked worse to me.

>>385123210
>>385123216
>>385123275
Neat.

>tfw you will never go on broventures with Enkidu and Gilgamesh and have sex with Ishtar priestess whores for weeks on end while you eradicate divine creatures for fun
Why even live?

>>385123452
who cares holy fuck
are you seriously under the impression that you are changing anyones mind

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>>385122696
>why do you think so very few animals have been domesticated around the world?
because you dont actually need a gorillion of different domesticated animals

>>385122696
>it's not like a domesicated lion or moose wouldn't have come in handy
what the FUCK would you want a domesticated lion for? beyond "lol badass" memes?

as for the moose - people domesticated the reindeer, which is somewhat similar at least.

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>zebras cant be domesticated meme

>>385123496
It wasn't given to them by northern nations, they throwing knife was though

>>385123483
If you actually had checked the thread, it obviously meant domesticated in any sort of practical way. Any animal can be domesticated in modern times with a fuckton of effort, but that's not historically relevant. Domesticate a whale if you want, I don't care.

So is CIV VI better than V now or is it still shit?
Avoiding the waifu shit and just focusing on gameplay and the general atmosphere?

>>385123586
I did read the thread. You specifically stated that they could not be domesticated in that post. I don't understand the need to backpedal here, you're anonymously posting.

>>385122760
>Aurochs weren't tamed in europe, though.
The Caucasus is definitely part of Europe.

Is Civ6 any fun tho with the district stuff (which I have no clue about atm)? Thinking of eventually buying the compete edition in a couple of years, I feel 2k got enough of my money with previous Civ games + DLCs

>>385123498
I played it at my friends house after it came out, and just went back to civ V after. Something about it is just really unappealing

>>385123557
>what the FUCK would you want a domesticated lion for? beyond "lol badass" memes?

Same reason you'd want a dog. A few lions hunting for you seems pretty nice, why didn't they?

>because you dont actually need a gorillion of different domesticated animals

That's blatantly untrue. Argiculture and the stop of nomadic culture necessitates having domestic animals. It's telling that the greatest South American civilization was in a good place for domesticating an animals: the llama.

>>385123470

Since Caucasians and Mongoloids domesticated horses, they would have domesticated zebra if that's all they had in their place in Europe and Asian.

Races achieved and advanced at different rates, with some still lagging behind others. It's ok to admit this and doesn't make you racist. It's science.

>>385121790
Taming is the first step to domestication. People didn't took animals the way they were, it takes generations of selective breeding. Cavemen did it, why can't Negroes?

>>385123452
But there are portrails of chariots in many African rock art.

The pictures used to be on http://africanrockart.britishmuseum.org/#/ before they changed it.

>>385111454
Is it me or does she look better than most other leaders? Specifically mean the animation/art style overall. Just seems less cartoony to me and more natural.

>>385123670
I'm clarifying what I meant because you seem unable to grasp context

>>385123730
The districts are much better than having all your improvements clumped together like in V. Game looks nicer and the music is better, too.

Should I pirate Civ V or VI?

>>385123648
still shit

why
is
every
leader
in
civ 6
so
fucking
ugly
holy
shit

>>385120720
I wanna fuck Catherine de Medici

>>385123752
>this
The first wolves were domesticated in Eurasia over 33,000 years ago, yet Africans cant even domesticate anything by themselves in the present day.

>>385123864
didnt play civ vi but i'd guess civ v has more content for the time being

>>385112893
-better AI. enemies that actually know how to go on offence and take cities/ ai civs actually focusing on victory conditions late game.

-Difficulty tuning. Deity should only be beatable with super cheesy strats/god-like starts.

-Fix bugs/performance late game/improve UI

Those are my big 3, I have zero confidence in any of them being worked on though.

>>385123839
music is terrible.
>music for every civ you have met plays throughout your game
>fucking japanese music playing when i'm playing as america
>and it loops

>>385123470
Caucasians came ahead in the Evolutionary race. Why is it so bad to admit that?

>>385123735
No, they wouldn't. If they would have we would have them now.

>But while one-off attempts to tame a single animal may have been successful, domesticating them—breeding captive herds specifically for human use—proved impossible. They were easily agitated, aggressive when cornered (biting and kicking so hard they could easily maim or kill a would-be rider), and bad tempered. And while they could carry an adult human, they were significantly smaller than European horses; the discomfort of having a passenger for any length of time was likely to activate their worse tendencies, even if they’d been successfully “broken.” Even Lord Rothschild, the most flamboyant proponent of zebra-transport, never attempted to ride them; he stopped at harnessing them to a carriage.

>There’s a reason—or a million mini-reasons, depending how you think about it—why zebras just never took to settling down. The quick-and-dirty answer? Evolution.

>The African landscape is very different for equine species than that of western Europe. Multiple large-animal predators—like lions, leopards, hyenas, and crocodiles—mean prey species, like zebra, must develop intense early-warning mechanisms in order to survive. They have to be jumpier, basically, because they have more predators to fear. This has also led to the zebra’s occasional bursts of violence; when cornered in the wild, they have to be ready to strike their attackers…hard.

>Moreover, zebras have evolved alongside man, whereas European animals mostly evolved in the absence of man (we didn’t migrate out of Africa until relatively recently). That means zebras are hardwired to view us as threats, too. A few patient weeks in a stable aren’t enough to undo generations of natural selection, as zebras in captivity prove time and time again: they’re the animal responsible for the most injuries to zookeepers every single year.

>>385123984
That's not saying the music is terrible, just the implementation of it
You dense retard

>>385123781
And what part of Africa is that? Sub-saharans can't even make houses that doesn't melt in the rainy seasons.

>>385124012
so what about the elephants why couldnt they domesticate that

>>385123984

I don't understand why people want hard limits to their regional music.

>>385124105
Elephants need higher culture and weapons to be in place in the first place, we're talking ancient humans here. Indians didn't domesticate elephants as cavemen.

>>385124012
>literally no source for all of this shit
no doubt from that jared diamond kike

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>>385124095
But they do

>>385124012
man don't even fucking bother. /v/ has been braindrained fairly hard because of the influx of younger posters and the exodus of older. you could find a million quotes from 20+ year experts in the field and it wouldn't sway anyone on here.

I liked Civ IV's implementation of era-specific playlists much better.

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>>385122854
>Was Gilgamesh even real?

>>385111454
She appears to be the wrong kind of black. That's pretty racist Firaxis.

>>385124187
You can find a source of any given event in that text, what particular one are you having trouble with, anon? I'm sure I can find it for you :)

>>385124236

Civ IV had worse music overall except for ancient era which was god tier.

>>385124225
>20+ year experts in the field
your cultural marxist jew professors arent very credible

>>385124236
This. Loved how they evolved and changed every couple of eras.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UFiIkdBXwk
>that 1:50

>>385111454
I can hear the snapping of fingers in Z motions already.

>>385111454
Is that Patton fucking Oswalt?

>>385124220
Non-white sub-saharans.