Are there any games where victory is impossible?

>>385101681
SOMA

>>385101681
Life

>thread instantly derailed by /pol/shit
and they say it's just a boogey man...?

>>385102114
>he wants to talk about video games on /v/

go to reddit

Armored Core, The Last Raven


You cannot win the final mission. You can last an insane long time and do very well, but you cannot win.

No country for old men.

Literally like 50% of arcade games, even if you count kill screens as a victory condition

>>385101909
>Main menu
>Click exit

fukken eez

>>385102487
vidya

>>385102368
I hope you are trolling and not this stupid. Every single faction has its own plan. Its not like neocons are the only dissenters in the ranks. Even the tea partiers have about 5 different plans.

>>385102487
chinkdick too cheap and stronk

>>385101681
dwarf fortress

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Xcom 2 bb

Tetris

>>385101681

Why do black and white movies look so much better

Some runs of dungeon of the endless

Diablo 3, because even though you complete things like campaign/rifts you never truly win anything.

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>Being surprised that a politician lies

Anyways as for the OP. I'd say any WW2 that has you playing as the Axis.

>/pol/ and anti-/pol/ ruin another thread outside of the containment board
I dont think you can win Dont Starve. Even the "final boss" ends up ironically dicking you over for even thinking of fucking with it

>>385101909
holy fuck thanks for reminding me that shit, but that is not true, because the guysucceeded, he was just too dumb to understand the science girl

>>385103084
Not true, you just need to git gud.

>>385101681
The final mission of Halo Reach.
>>Objective: Survive
>>tfw your helmet starts to crack as you mow down the unending hordes of covenant.

I will never not be mad at how 343 handled the series. Rookie dying in a book. Spartans going from stoic supersoldiers who sacrificed their chances at a normal life for the safety of others, to just egotistical Odst's in nicer armor who whine and bicker like children. Cortana's character assassination. Regressing the relationship of humans and elites.

I'm angrier over halo's state than I am over mass effect 3. Speaking of, there's another game where no matter what you do, the moment you bought it you already lost.

>>385103154
whos this beautiful cat girl

AI War on 10/10 difficulty. Clearing it is considered a bug, and those strategies get patched

>>385102571
>killing thousands of elves in hilarious fashion

>not winning

>>385101681
Slaves to Armok: God of Blood Chapter 2: Dwarf Fortress

MMORPGs
Unless there's one out there with an ending and victory, i'd like to hear about it

>people say dwarf fortress
There's a point where you're too big to fall. I'd say you've won once you clear out hell. After that losing is practically impossible unless you intentionally fuck up.

Most MMOs.
Although I'm perpetually thirsty for an MMOFPS with at least temporary win conditions.

Proud of the mods for making the effort to keep this thread /v/idya. You guys are pretty kewl.

>>385103612
Like planescape 2?

>>385103554
>>385103440
Since dwarf fortress dosent have an end state it's not a game, its a simulation.

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>>385103628
I apologize for politicking please don't kill me
>>385103663
>planescape
Planetside's win conditions are too weird and fleeting. There's no grand fight to the warpgate to push the enemy off the planet, it's just "oh you won the alert everyone has to get off, including you"

>>385103154
Hearts of Iron

>>385103554
you can't win DF because there is no win condition. you can set goals for yourself in game and attain the, but that's not winning the game.
>>385103668
where did you get that definition of "game?"
are lose conditions not end states?

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Thank you Janitor/Mod.

>>385103287
Schrodinger. A catgirl(male).

Darkest Dungeon, due to the nature of the source material.

>>385103919
were people ever under the impression that Schrodinger was a girl?
it's obv he's a boy at introduction from the anime(s)

>>385103759
pretty much every definition of a game states that it must have a goal or an objective. if you remove the end state what you're left with is 'play'. I didn't consider that loss is infact an end state- so that's a fair point.

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>>385104085
your understanding of connotation is not a definition

>>385101681
Penumbra trilogy.

>>385104168
Do rules not dictate when an end state is achieved?

>>385104350
not always

>>385104168
Those are really loose definitions. Masturbating while looking at porn can provide entertainment or amusement, a pass time. That does not make it a game. The second definition includes 'sport (a game)' in its definition which is kind of lazy; but as Chris Crawford points out; you can compete without a game taking place.

>>385101681
Dota 2
>win
>don't enjoy it whatsoever
>can only think about the mistakes everyone made and how enemy team just lost the game rather than my team winning it

>>385104474
then provide a source for a better one

>>385101681
Pony Island

>>385104064
In the manga he is drawn a bit more feminine. Still not terribly surprising though considering how busty most of the actual females in the series are. With the exception of Rip van Winkle I guess.

>>385104064
Well there are tons of people who'd fuck him like he's a girl.

I think you can win games without an set end state. Games like DF or even Mount and Blade are primarily experience focused, so you 'win' the game by achieving what you set out to achieve or getting to a point where you're satisfied enough to start again or call time.

>>385104547
>the mistakes everyone made

There's your problem, the only mistakes you should be thinking about are your own, because 99% of the time, your teammates are always retarded and can't even dodge a fucking skillshot if they saw it coming from across the map.

>>385104412
Rules are what makes a game a game. They are what give it structure and direction.
Give this a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW5PF9yGLhk&

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>>385104552
>source for the definition of a word

>>385104623
even in that pic he has a masculine (although lithe) anatomy.

>>385104728
i know rules make a game. i was saying rules don't necessarily have to facilitate an end state beyond "when you want deem necessary" which can be applied to DF

>>385104729
>being this much of a brainlet
have you never read a technical book or paper in your life? terms are defined and definitions have to be agreed upon for effective communication to take place

>>385104552
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game
It depends on what school of thought you subscribe to, but I'd say that having a goal is a necessary component to defining a game from play. DF players even joke that loosing spectacularly is the 'objective' of the game.

Are there any games where if I'm over 25 and I own a computer I must get it?

>>385104978
Battletoads.

>>385104843
that's reasonable

>>385101681
Crash Bandicoot 1

>>385104728
>Point and click adventure games adventure games are just puzzles
Well hotdamn

>>385104978
Mount and Blade: Warband
One of the XCOM games, old if you can handle it but the remake is good too.
RCT: 2 with the expansions
Baldurs Gate if it's your thing
A good RTS like C&C: Tiberium Wars or AOE 2
A Bethesda game for modding until you forget it's a Bethesda game
Dungeon Keeper 2
FTL
Heroes of Might and Magic 3

>>385105504
THIS!
It's le Dark Souls of competitive game!

>>385102849

>its a wonderful life

>1946

>eloquently elaborates the differences between capitalism and neo capitalism demonstrating why neocap is retarded.(and evil)

1946.

FFS.

>neocap somehow is now THE model of capitalism so much that everyone seems o have forgotten capitalism ever existed to begin with and was always pants on heads retarded neocap.

>>385106717
what is the fundamental difference between capitalism and neocapitalism?

>>385106796
watch the film. explains it far better than i ever could.
but basically, accruing capital used to be for the purposes of protectionism and long term success etc.

>>385101681
life

>>385106843
I have watched the film. Almost every december since I was a kid.

It sounds like you're saying the difference is in how people choose to use the capital they accrue rather than any fundamental systemic difference. That's not two different systems, it's just people choosing how to behave within one. If you're saying there are actually two different economic systems represented in the film I've missed that all these years and I'd be curious to know what exactly I'm missing.

>>385106983
no, capitalism is an ethos.

neo capitalism is the modern day corruption and reversal of it.

>>385107059
capitalism is not corporatism
what's practiced today isn't capitalism

>>385106983
the original intent of capitalism was to build up the capital for a reason, to protect and serve the community, etc.

neo capitalism arose because greedy currupt short sighted fuckwits decided shoving all that money up their assholes was more fun, especially if they got their hands on it by screwing over some poor bastard.

capitalism has shifted from a pastoral long term national planning system into a vicious adversarial short term short sighted self defeating racket.

>>385107180
also my point.

that's why i recommend people watch the film, because this is a 1946 film showing us the differences, and its still relevant to this day.

>>385107212
it's not "neo-capitalism" though
using that kind of language is not effective communication

>>385107212
I think you're assigning a lot of intention where there is just system.

Capitalism is an economic system where property and means of production are owned privately and used for financial profit. That's it. There's no "pastoral long term national planning" automatically built into that. That comes from social values and the individual decisions of those who have the capital.

The "corruption" you're talking about happened because in capitalism those who own capital are free to do as they wish with it, and human beings tend to be greedy. It will always happen in any capitalist system unless restraints are put in place. This old wonderful capitalism you're pining after never existed. You're talking about a time when people worked for slave wages in filthy, dangerous factories while the owners of those factories got rich. You're talking about what led to the great depression. It's a Wonderful Life is a product of the New Deal era. The small town, humanitarian values it espouses are rooted in a time when the country was almost completely unified in agreeing that capitalism had to be restricted and controlled and was massively implementing socialist programs.

>>385107618
the corruption happened because people stopped practicing capitalism, and started practicing corporatism.

>>385107813
"Corporatism" is not mutually exclusive with capitalism. In fact, really, if you have unfettered capitalism, it's basically inevitable you will end up with corporations. The only way you could prevent this is by ruling it illegal, which is inherently not pure capitalism anymore.

>>385107902
yes it is.
corporatism goes against the private ownership of wealth as it is a collectivization tool enforced by the state.
capitalism is a system without a state, so yes regulation by a strong state wouldn't be "pure capitalism," but an inability to merge with a weak state could be "pure capitalism"
>whataboutisms

>>385101681
Getting back to OP, whose question obviously didn't mean to include games with no win conditions, like Cities: Skylines, the censored version of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream is unwinnable because they removed the concentration camp part, but didn't make it possible to get the key item you need from it elsewhere.