What year did videogames stop being good?

>>385101079
last thursday

gradual decline overall starting around 2007

right now after I found this thread

>>385101079
>that last comment
kek

2017 has been the best year this generation. Hell, matthewmatosis would go as far as calling i the best year in 10-15 years.

>>385101079
Around 2007~2008
Stock Market crash = less people willing to take risks.
= Less fresh ideas used in making games
= "Lets make clones and continue rehashing games as its proven to provide profit"
That's how you end up with a stale market like you see now.

>>385101079
last comment embodies the internet

when pong was made

>>385101163
This. Arguably a year or two earlier but 2007 was when the clutch dropped on the shitshoot we're in now and devs/publishers realised just how willing sperg fuck video gamers are to part with their money for scraps of content.

>>385101376
combine that with the massive normalfag influx caused by phones and media which instantly created the largest demographic of consumers that games could aim for.

i remember browsing funnyjunk in like 2002 and 2003 when it was flash cartoons and george bush meme pictures.
then years and years later everyone was talking about how cancerous it was and i checked and it turned into some weird reddit-imjur-9gag hybrid

Old video games still exist so the medium can't get worse, i can only become better.

>>385101079

Same year you stopped being a teenager.

>>385101593
i had never heard of funnyjunk until 4chan started hating it, probably around 2011, to this date I don't think I've been on the website

in the early 2000s I was on albinoblacksheep

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>>385101615
>The buildings in a country still exist so a regime change can't make it worse

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We got a glimpse of what videogames can achieve thanks to Deus Ex but things have been going downhill ever since it came out.

>that stupid SomethingAwful vs ebaumsworld fued

>>385101079
the year you hit puberty

>>385101593
Could be worse. You could of been posting here for the last 13 years of your life like me.

>>385101079

the year (you) grew up. Just like that one movie you saw when you were thirteen that is the best.

>>385101079
What do you mean? Any medium has always been and will always be 90(+)% trash. And it was never any different for video games. The number trash that came out in the 90s that no one remembers or never even knew about them because they weren't old enough to is huge.

If there's any difference these days, it's the sheer volume of video games that come out in general. It's much easier to notice a lake of shit than a puddle.

>BOTW
>Mario Odyssey
>N. Sane Trilogy
>Sonic Mania
Anything else I'm missing besides weebshit? I'm okay with this year to be honest.

>>385101320
2015 was better, man. But yeah, 2017 is being great.

>>385101765
>And it was never any different for video games
Shitty games and bargain bin garbage have always existed, yes. But the difference is, previously they were bargain bin garbage. Now they're the top trending products.

Hopefully never. So far, so good.

>>385101079
Good games and bad games have always existed

>>385101376
Increasing development costs was a big factor.

I personally don't hate shit as much as everyone else seems to, I play yearly releases like cod and get a hell of a lot of enjoyment out of them. To be objective though, gen 6 was the last bastion of quality, unique exclusives that people could care about. Now that everything's a multiplat, there's no optimization per console, there's no reason to get one console over another (or even a PC really because sure, it'll look nicer but you gimp yourself in terms of having a community to play with if you want to play something longer than a week, on multiplats at least)

and then there's the whole rise of FPS and TPS, which have totally soured the entire market because literally every major release is either an FPS or TPS in some capacity. Open worlds are kinda dumb but not nearly as harmful as literally everything being about killing everyone else in either first or third person.

I would say nintendo is a company that tried to break away from that, but the wii basically corrupted them to focus solely on the casual market because they got incredibly lucky with it. So now they're releasing maybe one or two worthwhile games a year, and the rest is just shovelware from third parties that aren't totally abhorred by their lack of transparency to third party developers yet (like ubisoft), or the occasional JRPG from square.

It's not really a "downward" spiral, and no crash is coming, anyone thinking that is a fucking 5 year old. Gaming has just plateaued. In 3 or 4 years (maybe longer, maybe shorter) we'll see a genre jump. The new consoles (as in, NEW consoles, not this "upgrade" faggot shit) should assist greatly in getting a decent variety of games out on the market to roll the dice on what'll be popular again. Of course, after we sift through forza 81292903812903478385901758192374812390471238904273 and every other racer that comes out to show new grafffixxxxx.

2008

everything stopped being good after this year.

>>385101079
>What year did videogames stop being good?
when you grew up

>>385101685
Even a food analogy would have made more sense.

>>385102002
I always found the industry weird in this regard. In other areas an increase in technology leads to lowering costs, but for games its the opposite. Some day I need to do research and find out why costs are so high for little gain over the years.

I know things like voice actors are a big part but there has to be a bunch of hidden stuff to account for reaching AAA game costs.

>>385102182
Just admit you're a dumb cunt, video gaming most certainly can and has got worse in recent years. Just because old video games exist doesn't mean the whole can't get worse.

>>385102335
there really isn't. development costs have been the same since 2005-2006 when gen 7 started. Marketing costs go up because we've moved into an age where television marketing isn't enough. So you have to give copies to streamers and buy their time so they can shill your shit to their millions of followers (where it's literal guaranteed eyes on your product) then host huge marketing parties to try and get the top clicks in various gaming news outlets.

I mean, the average marketing budget for a call of duty game circa black ops 1 was 50 million. fifty million US dollars. The development cost? Somewhere in the 38m range.

>>385101685
>countries are just buildings

whoah............

>>385102452
If costs (besides marketing) stayed the same from 2007 on then there is still a problem. As technology improves so should productivity. But like I said I'd need a more indepth look to really see why it hasnt changed.

>>385102568
I agree, I'm just saying it's because even if technology has improved, publishers have the manufacturers by the balls, and can say "we won't make our game exclusive to your platform and start an arms race of improvement, but we'll offer barely notable exclusive DLC to you". Everything's stagnant. There's no competition and no threat because everyone has the same god damned games.

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>>385102351
One good game VS the exact same good game and one bad game
hmmm i wonder what is better.
I even included an anime image just for you so you can respond with another non argument.

whatever year they became popular enough to become soulless trash that gigantic companies with over 1000 employees shit out year after year in a testament to mediocrity and creative bankruptcy.
whatever year they started to appeal to everyone and even worse became avenues for personal soapboxes and egregious pandering.

>>385101719

once upon a time
on the internet there was a guy

People forget the hundreds of games that came out with broken control schemes or horrible camera controls.

We also bought less games. And focused on staples of known franchises. Hundreds of shitty N64 games for every banjo kazooie there was.

>>385101079
When you graduate high school/university and don't have much time to play them anymore.

>>385101701
I 100% agree with you
games should have been striving to be like this (multiple ways to tackle an objective, actually interesting story, gameplay and story mesh well together)
Instead we got games like uncharted

>>385101079
>What year did videogames stop being good?
Don't know.
They've been good every year after the first crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg1dQ0sBsqk

>>385101163
Wrong.
>>385101079
They have been a low-grade form of interactive game, lacking nuance and growth. Videogames never started being good.

>>385103303
True.

I remember how awful a lot of games were. They have been polished a lot since then, maybe a bit too much some might argue, but fuck me dead some of the older games were nearly unplayable, but that was all we had so we sucked it up and had fun.

I remember being a kid and getting games because the case looked cool and I never managed to finish most since they were way too fucking hard and the rest were lazy cash ins that had almost nothing to do with the franchise at all.

>>385101701
>Shittier fps gameplay than a console game released the same year, Perfect Dark.
not sure why people are so delusional about deus ex..?

>>385101163
>1998
ftfy

>>385101079
2011. After that year the gaming industry has gone straight into the toilet.

Unnecessary huge amounts of overpriced dlc that are shit
Early access unfinished shitty indie games all over the place
AAA games filled with political agendas and bias and gimmicks have taken over the fucking place.

This whole industry should just fucking crash already.

>>385103553
>many ways to complete each mission
>great story and dialogues
>comments about our current world
>excellent leveldesign
>superb OST

>>385103656
>Dialogue is "good."
>Midi/samples is good ost.
>Random highschool level philosophy picked up after reading a Bill Gibson book is insightful.

I think pong was bretty gud, it was all downhill from there.

Or, wait, no. I'm still having fun with new games, and OP is a faggot.

Our standards have risen. Budgets have risen. As a result less risks are taken. Dont forget. They have to licence different game engines/plugins

You want destructable enviroments that costs time and money. You want intelligent enemies to fight? Cheaper to focus on mindless hordes of zombies. Killing things in games is the cheapest simplest way to interact with the game. Thats why games like crysis look so cool. They are essentially a demo for the engine tech.

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I'd say the the year Video Games officially surpassed the movie industry in money generated.

>>385103801
>you want intelligent enemies to fight
so sick of seeing this shit. We're literally not there with AI yet. It's not a thing, it's not possible it's not a fucking option to have them be smarter. Right now we're at a plateau of intelligence and you either give them fucking wallhacks and ESP to make them more challenging or beef up their health. I hate when people say it's just "lazy development" try making a god damned AI you cocksnorkeler.

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>>385101079

>>385103789
>Dialogue is "good."
excellent argument there
>Midi/samples is good ost.
Yes, the OST is great
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNOBvpytXU&list=PL1C572B526934FD97&index=11
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnYwLZcxOtY&list=PL1C572B526934FD97&index=4
These and others tunes from Deus Ex play in my head every time I think about that game
>Random highschool level philosophy picked up after reading a Bill Gibson book is insightful.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about characters like the terrorist leader from the first level who can tell you actual facts about the modern world if you talk to him.

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>>385104015

>>385103789
Ah yes, because what every good RPG needs to contain is a dissertation on Kierkegaard.

January 1st 2008.

>>385103937
Compare call of duty enemies to the aliens in crysis 2. Aliens would flank. Call of duty enemies would go to pre determined spots and wait to die. It has less to do with tech not being there. And more to do with unwillingness to invest millions in new AI engines. Take digital molecular matter. Used in starwars the force unleashed.. great technology.

>>385104015
Why does normies flocking from myspace to facebook have any significance

The year you grew up.

They've only continued to get better and better, it's just that a lot of the shit gets more coverage and you think it's getting worse because you aren't paying attention to smaller games which might genuinely interest you.

With the amount of fucking games on the market right now, if you can't find anything to be excited about, you either aren't looking or you don't like video games.

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>>385103937
Are you retarded or what, there's a big difference between the a.i in the average game and the a.i in a game like F.E.A.R
Nobody's expecting videogame a.i to have recursive self-improvement or some shit.

>>385101079
>What year did videogames stop being good?

When you stopped being fifteen.

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>>385104054
>who can tell you actual facts about the modern world

>>385103553
This bait is mid tier at best.

>>385104464
>FEAR
FEAR has the same generic AI as every other game though. Are you brain dead? voice clips that are scripted to react to actions from the player is not AI, they don't change how they act at all, ever, at any point in the game. You can pull out an enormous mp-50 and gib some enemy's buddies and he doesn't do SHIT. where in other games the enemies will freak out and even free. AI in FEAR is absolute fucking dog trash. Quit jerking it off because you like that it has voice clips for enemies that say "HES GOT A GRENADE" then run into said grenade and get minced. god damned faggot.
>>385104223
That's fair, but I still think the investment is more than "millions", because that level of AI work and pattern recognition and comprehension of a player's actions would be useful in like... every field, not just vidya.

>>385104392
It's either AAA shit or indie shovelware now. Before we had a lot of middle-ground games with decent quality and inspiration.

>>385101079
Back when TLoU appeared and the videomovies meme kicked in

Videogames have their innovative peak years
>1985
>1995
>1998
>2004
>2007
But most years are really shit. Games still haven't got out the early years yet because developers don't innovate gameplay and interactivity, instead focus on graphics, and consumers don't care at all.

3ds RPGs are pretty damn good.

>>385102002
It's not increasing development cost.
It's that western devs are fucking incredible at wasting money.
How is this that you have masterpieces like Persona 5 that do not cost much and are AA at most, when huge titles like Andromeda, Skyrim or even W3 suffer from reused and repetitive shit?

>>385104803
Japan still has B-tier studios. Plenty of them.
More and more of those games are getting localized too.

>>385104792
So you haven't played fear then? okay.

2007 is when it started to go downhill
but 2009 is when it really hit the shitter with the release of cod mw2 and every game trying to be the new mw2 afterwards
took a long fucking while for the cod hype to die down and people trying different approaches at video games again

>>385104842
You mean MGS

>>385105014
seems like you haven't if you think enemies that don't react to someone jump kicking them is "good AI", or human enemies that don't react to companions getting gibbed is "good AI", or enemies that, even though you're behind a wall and can't be seen, react to your reflex is "good AI", sure, you fucking braindead retard.

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>>385101079
this is the peak of gaming what are you talking about?

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>>385105149
kek, keep doubling down and acting as immature as possible, maybe you'll fool me into thinking you actually played the game eventually.

>>385101748
>posting for 13 years
>still type "could of"

Great job

>>385101079
Whenever you graduated high school and stopped having as much free time.

the lack of originality in these answers is disappointing.

>>385105326
I thought so, no actually points to refute so you spam memes. You're retarded. FEAR's AI is worse than the AI from wolfenstein 3D, the only thing it has going for it is the scripted voice lines to a tiny handful of actions. But guess what? Half life did that 20 years ago, and almost 8 years before FEAR. Enjoy jerking off your mediocre game for the rest of time.

>>385103929
whatever that is, it looks awful

>>385105435
>not being a comfy neet

>>385105626
>no actual points
Why should I respond seriously to someone who is obviously making shit up. It's clear you haven't actually played the game.

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>>385101079
2007 - 2014

They're good again now, maybe not as good. Niche was dead for a long time, everything was rebranded as a FPS or TPS.
Remember there was a time when the most average of normies played and loved Mass Effect 1, that shit would never fly today. They would turn it off after 15 minutes.

>Nier Automata
>Persona 5
>Nioh
>BOTW
>Crash Bandicoot
>Horizon
>Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
>Splatoon 2

2017 has been great so far as long as you don't care for rooty tooty shooty games.

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>>385101079
In the Year of the Bazinga

>>385101701
Terrible bait

>>385105826
I believe he played the game over you. He's actually spouting out stuff that happens in the game whereas you're probably just mimicking the "F.E.A.R. has good A.I." meme that /v/ loves spouting.

>>385105894
>as long as you don't look at empty Triple A garbage
FTFY

>>385101804
>Lackluster open-world
>Baby game
>Remake
>Shitty call back
wew

>>385106057
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't samefagging.
Even if you take his comments seriously, like Wolfenstien 3D having better ai or that the only noteworthy thing about it is characters having voice lines, F.E.A.R ai is better than that of most other games due to how the enemies are able to convincingly operate is if they're in a real squad, among other things.
If you don't believe me, there's multiple articles on F.E.A.R's ai that a simple google can find

>>385101079
Around 2007 if we speak about home console.
They never stopped if we talk about handhelds.
I remember games being great up until the Gamecube/PS2.
The DS kept having consistent quality, and while the 3DS doesn't have the same number of great games, it is still cool.

>>385101320
Why would I give a fuck about what he thinks and how in the fuck is that definitive?

>>385106221
all games are baby games. You baby.

Horse Armor was the death knell of video games, the beginning of the end and despite a few gems we've been on a downward spiral ever since. DLC nickle and diming, releasing unfinished broken messes, and heavy reliance on post launch patches started with Oblivion, and was the progenitor for practices that would come later like microtransactions, season passes, early access, on disk DLC etc.

Thanks for that Todd.

>>385101136
fpbp

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Last_Thursdayism

video games have always been good, its just that you've changed

>>385101079
2005.

The moment the Xbox 360 popularised the concept of DLC.

At that point what little resistance to the idea got guilt tripped out of the gaming public's consciousness by the publishers and gaming media to just accept whatever shitty business practice they threw at them, and it's only going to get worse what with all of the microtransactions that are plaguing fully fledged PAID retail games. It's like the frog in a boiling pan analogy, they did it so gradually to the point where the gaming media doesn't even have to guilt trip the public anymore as they police themselves. All it takes to stop this is to stop buying it but people won't. Shit like Gamergate should have started over this and not stupid bullshit like some slag fucking a couple of dudes to get some good press. Developers getting lazy with games going "eh, we can just patch them later" is also ridiculous.

For smaller, dare I say it "indie" titles it was the moment Braid came out and they realised that people were actually willing to pay for their low effort flash games.

Pretty much why i'm relegated to my select few graph simulator and strategy games, even then I have to pirate a lot of them because of their practices.

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>>385101079
There have been dips and throughs and 2007 is definitely a good example but if you actually like vidya there should be enough enjoyable stuff to play that there's no reason to consider it out-and-out bad

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Remember when the original pic of this was just flip remark you'd make in 2008? You knew it was coming..but...

>>385107020
I'm refusing to buy them. If we ALL do this it will cease.
I have a lot of games with dlc. I get the free ones and nothing else.
They have to understand that it is NOT ok.
Then again, it is full of children and manchildren here that don't know the value of money.

1993

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>>385106419
>convincingly operate in a squad
>don't react to teammates dying

>>385107816
except you don't matter. you are insignificant. You're not the target demo and are written off regardless of if you even buy the game. If everyone on /v/, every single person, stopped buying games right now, absolutely NOTHING would change, because there are tens of millions of people still buying those games. The expansion of vidya into the mainstream is kinda funny in that way.

>>385107816
They said the same about music, they're saying the same about movies now. It doesn't work, they know what sells. This isn't just some collective 'we're getting older phenomenon either' You're being exploited more efficiently is all , why create quality original content if it doesn't work as well?

>>385107956
With everyone I meant everyone.
/v/ is not enough, I meant every single faggot that playes them.
Then we'll see if they keep making them.

>>385107891
>don't react to teammates dying
>ignores the "SHIT!" exclamations as teammates die
>ignores how they run away when they're the only one left

>>385108082
When does that happen? Cause it's not in the first like 5 missions where enemies will funnel to you one by one just to die, even as they scream about "flanking" and stuff.

>>385108138
Not sure what game you played anon, I got flanked aplenty when I played.

>>385108203
FEAR on steam, what game were you playing?

>>385108391
FEAR from GOG.

>>385101079
Year of your birth + 12

>>385101079
2006-2007

>>385108442
that probably explains it, GOG likes to use pirated games with cracks and mods on them.

>>385108630
I see. Good shit though.

>>385101079

2007.

The year the iphone came out and smartphones started taking off, so every normie shitstain had unrestricted access to the internet without even having to own a PC.

It was also the beginning of the period when Microsoft got a hold of the industry and started pumping dudebro shooting blobs of cancer nonstop and pandering to murikan types while the japanese industry went on a downward spiral.

The west doesn't know how to make videogames, only barely interactive cheap hollywood knock-offs.

Never
Games are fucking amazing and continue to improve. There's a lot of Triple A shlock out there but that's true of all media, you just need to look for what appeals to you.
Only an idiot would think we're living in anything but the golden age of vidya.

HD graphics ruined the industry, prove me wrong.

>>385108990
Retarded weebshit

>>385101765

Except that back then you could just go to any random store, pick any random game judging it literally by its cover and you'd be bringing home something that was crafted with passion.

Nowadays, with the video game industry being bigger than fucking Hollywood itself, they are no longer the work of passion of that one close group of nerds who had to build things from scratch with lots of time and dedication. Unlike nowadays, where your average nu male who doesn't even like video games and is just trying to mimick the success of the latest FOTM early access survival indie shitfest, downloading one of the many readily available freeware engines and game creators online with everything properly documented and thoroughly explained. Pouring any kind of dedication towards computers back then was seen as a massive social stigma, nowadays it's cool to be a "geek".

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>>385109237

It's okay, dudebro. It's not like I'm expecting you burgerclaps whose first console was an xbox 360 to know any better. It was, after all, your status quo, which doesn't lessen the fact that you're still part of the problem.

>>385109361
Shit you actually are a pathetic weeb. Go and masturbate in your waifu pillow you faggot, your miserable manchild opinion is worthless

>>385109558
not an argument, go back to your cawadooty to calm down since you are obviously butthurt for being called out, cancer

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>>385101079
Shut the fuck up, faggot hipster. There's still plenty of good games.

>>385109596
It's ok davido kun listen to some jpop some more and play with your figurines and come back here playing tough guy, you're fucking risible

>>385106781
>on disk DLC on PC game
I will never forgive this
also fuck you CA and SEGA

>>385109718

This coming from an underage murikan who beats off to bald space marines while buying dlc after dlc from cawadooty is a compliment. Go take your butthurt elsewhere, will you, your momma might notice and take away your xbawks.

>>385109813
I'm a 28yo european you pathetic faggot, pretending to be superior to anyone while being a retarded otaku, waifu pillow enthusiast delusional weeb who believes his garbage anime is worth anything but shit is risible as I said
You enjoy a garbage sub culture designed especially for miserable autistic virgins like you. Kill yourself faggot san

>>385102428
SIMBABWE

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>>385110050
Shhh, there there.

>>385110062
>weeb can't take it anymore

SAD!

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>>385109558
>>385110050
I don't think this place is for you.

>>385106867
>memewiki
LOL

>>385110153
Back to /a/ davido kun

>>385110050
>unironically defending dudebro gaming

You have to go back

>>385101079

2012

>>385110217
Still better than chink dating sims with snoozfest gameplay. You weebs do enjoy your worthless visual novels

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>>385110198
You hate anime yet you come to the site that's full of people that watch it? Are you just baiting for (You)s now?

>>385110310
If you think that japanese game = waifushit then you really are an underage who doesn't know shit from squat when it comes to this hobby, just saying. It's either this or you're mentally challenged. Is Resident Evil waifubait? Silent Hill? Bloodborne? Devil May Cry? Contra? Mario?

Anyway, I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with some obvious child. Just go back to redit where you can upvote the latest AAA cinematic experience with zero gameplay with your other normie dudebro friends, will you. You don't belong on 4chan.

The amount of good games coming out is roughly the same as ever, but the market as a whole grew like mad. There's simply much more shit to sift through and less incentive to get hyped for anything.

>>385110310
>posts on 4chan
>tells weebs to fuck off
Cognitive dissonance in action.

>>385110492
I'm not on /a/ you faggot. This isn't your weeb safespace.

>>385101079
The moment your sense of childlike wonder died.

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>>385110636
Yeah, yeah we get it, you're a highly strung piece of shit who can't enjoy anything, Go elsewhere please :^)

>>385110636
I'm not on reddit you faggot. This isn't your normalfag safespace

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>>385110636
Prove that you're a newfag/normalfag more will you. Fucking moron

>>385110050
>retarded otaku, waifu pillow enthusiast delusional weeb who believes his garbage anime is worth anything
Were you foaming at the mouth as you were typing this? Or did you actually believe that it hurt someone's feelings or that you're laying down some hard truths? You seem like the autistic one, friend.

Since 2010 after of this year all the games become garbage and overhyped

Around 2008 videogames and film went hand in hand into the trash heap. That was when the yearly CoD became the biggest thing in gaming even though it was essentially the same game being released over and over and that's when the sake thing started to happen with superhero movies, which are all exactly the same fucking thing. Obviously there are still good games and good films but they are often overshadowed by trash that is an exact remake of something from 2010.

Rank every year from this generation from best to worst.
2017>2015>2016>2014>2013

>>385101748
what? i never said fj was bad. it was great for an 8 year old at the time. had all the great shit like papa smurf and gonads and strife. also, i have been here for 12 years, almost 13

>>385101750
superbad is genuinely good

>>385110636
Leave this website and don't come back

>>385101235
xxxxD moms joke amiright?

>>385107803
What are you trying to say exactly?

>>385111125
you seem to be talking a lot of shit about things you obviously know nothing about

just another victim of outrage culture

>>385106867
>http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Last_Thursdayism

kill yourself you >>>/r/edditor

>>385113318
Are you literally retarded?

>>385104015
>NORMIES REEEEEEEE! MOM, TENDIES! REEEEEEEEE!

>>385104240
Because Facebook is another common boogieman and it needed to be included. Are you actually taking the image seriously?