The Truth About Why MMOs SUCK

That's not Dragon's Dogma 2.

That's the new Vindictus character called Miri.

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>>385096909
Wow, really!? No it's not! That can't be true anon.

>>385096909
vindictus is amazing

vr mmo when?

>>385096850
>Also, MMO thread
Long as it's not the wrong MMO, wouldn't wanna get your thread deleted would you

>>385097478
FFXIV fags are cancerous.

Go back to your fucking containment thread with all the rest of the furry erpers.

>>385097438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAam8nWfrPA

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>>385097618
>2022 release

>>385096850
bet you consider online strangers friends

>>385097478

Who is it now?
The Shillblood spammer, or the desperate Albion faggot?
Everyone hates you regardless.
Go hang yourself.

>>385096850
>urge to play vindictus and other nexon mmos again
>nexon
>forgot password and email
Well at least I'm not losing out on anything.

>>385097964
That's a good thing, you have 5 years to save all your money and learn japaneese, since obviously the english version will come 3 years later and you'll probably quit your job/school/wife to have adventures in the VR world and just die while hooked to it happy ending.

The only reason I've ever played MMOs have been because friends want to me play with them.

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Post your characters.

why is the "perfect MMO" so alluring?

After playing a decent amount of ESO with a group of 3 other friends I legitimately have no idea how people play MMOs solo.

Like, you're missing out on half of the content and the content you do get to experience is just filler and grinding material.

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>>385097217
offline vindictus or even juts slightly less fucked vindictus would be the best game ever

>>385100253
Conditioning and nostalgia. Most MMO players are completely retarded.

>>385100160
because it sounds like the ultimate game that will never run out of things to do

>>385096850
No friends. Yep. :) :| :(

>>385096909
Tell me about Vindictus, game is locked in my country, interested what it is, is it fun, how money gauging it is, etc.

>>385097217
Hasn't it gone down the drain as of recent due to Nexon being Nexon?

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>>385100160
Because it perfectly combines game and social elements. Making it theoretically a much better experience than single player games.

Sadly, 99% of devs forget MMOs forget they're even multiplayer games, let alone meant to be social and immersive.

>>385100104
What game?

>>385100776
fast paced anime monster hunter with a goofy but kind of enjoyable visual novel story in between missions

unfortunately its a lot worse then it sounds due to various issues caused by the stats and rpg mechanics as well as being a f2p game but its still enjoyable to a certain extent

>>385100842
The most recent update is extremely confusing and makes 90% of the content trivial and pointless which was always one of the games biggest strengths, its actually the dev's decision though not nexon, KR has the same update and doesnt really seem to like it either

>>385101221
Look closely.

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MMOs are fine games, but how do you build player satisfaction from a handful of experiences?
How many times can you reiterate a raid, or a dungeon or a minigame or whatever.

Why is it that I can go back and play Super Mario Bros, take the exact same path I take as the other 900 times I've played it and still have fun?
Why is repetition fun for that kind of game but not for an RPG?

Then I think back on how many RPGs I've played through twice and it's not many considering I rank them as some of my favourite vidya.

I think MMOs need more arcade like gameplay.
They need to move away from these RPG systems.
You need to move away from the combat models of WoW. You need to move away from the numbers and weapons and armour.
Because they don't serve a gameplay purpose other than damage output.

I think the RPG element is what is slowly killing MMOs.

>>385101272
Thank you kind sir/madame for the answer, have a pleasant time of day.

But many MMOs today are actually more single player oriented.

>>385097217
Vindictus isn't an MMO. It's an arena musou. There are literally no MMO elements other than it being multiplayer.

something that irritates me about modern MMOs are the immense quantity of quests shoved on you right off the fucking bat. I miss RO for being simplistic in this regard, just go grind your shit have fun.

>inb4 complaints about grind in a fucking MMO thread

>>385101560
MMOs need to get people out of menus.

That's something development teams need to do.
Just anytime there's a menu, think, "Can we do it without this?"

Because as soon as you're in a menu, you're disconnected socially.
You're not finding a party, you're just clicking a few things.
You're not in the world, you're in the UI component of the game.

>>385101871
Grinding is shit. No one likes grinding, they enjoy progression.
Grinding is an end to a mean, i.e. "I reach this level so I can unlock this".

So here's your challenge: How do you remove level grinding, but still keep a drawn out pace to progression for players?

>>385101871
Nobody fucking likes grinding or find it fun for that matter. What is wrong with you.

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>>385102126

like fucking clockwork. If you want progression than play a a single player RPG, MMOs just for progression and no grind are boring shit.

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The problem with MMO is that the unique, associated costs with maintaining and updating an MMO make it very different from any other genre.

The developers feel they have to have players roped in with a sense of progression if they're gonna keep paying a subscription fee. And that's how features like levels, grinding, gear treadmill and other bad mmo shit has become the absolute standard. As well as WoW's success, which people attributed to it being a great game with great features, which it wasn't. It was new, big, and well marketed. That's it. Sadly, developers are STILL copying WoW's formulas and mistakes.

Until devs get off both the subscription business model and the F2P model, MMOs won't progress. You'll see one or two with different mechanics and trying different things, but they're all inherently rotten.

Even if these features were good, and they're not, after nearly two decades of MMOs that all do the same thing, everyone is tired of it. Nobody wants to level to max level. Nobody wants to do raids. The only MMOs that still succeed (relatively) at this are FFXIV and WoW. The latter because timesink and nostalgia, and the former because it's a big name brand and aesthetics (and because a big portion of their playerbase are upset at WoW/Blizzard because they can't accept they grew up)

It's a big, convoluted problem, and honestly, it bugs me a ton, because MMOs, I feel, haven't explored their full potential or close to it. It's such a mechanically and creatively stale genre with such a broad spectrum of possibilities, it's honestly disheartening to see it in such a state.

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>>385099672
>job/school/wife
heh

have a lot of health problems and might be dead by 2022 m8

>>385102559
I think there's a way to do grinding right, and it's not how it's done now.
Grinding as a word has a negative connotation. It's a drag.

What you want is paced progression. Paced exploration. Paced combat.
As it stands, grinding is just watching numbers go up.

Let's have an example..
You need to cross through some area. Say a forest.
But games want to gate you with levels. You're not dealing enough damage to make it through here.
But in an ideal MMO, no enemy scales with levels or numbers, they just are. 2 hits on an enemy will always be two hits for the most part.

So then the grind becomes about planning and traversal.
How do you make it through the forest? Do you need a torch? Do you need items? What about the enemies?

>>385102719
As soon as people see MMORPG though, they want the staples.
They want their dungeons, they want the raids, the want the crafting.

MMOs are just a big bag of "Here's what Warcraft did".
They just try and cram everything in because it's a monthly service fee.
If we take Phantasy Star Online or Diablo, they're just about dungeon crawling, right?
There's no crafting, no casinos, no fucking PvP.

Let's take XIV. What is XIV really about? Story. So have the game revolve around the world and the players influence on it.

What about Warcraft? What's it about? It's about the world. So have player interaction with it be the main focus.

>>385103043

tl;dr

grind works fine for games like Monster Hunter, if you don't like grind then don't play it, simple as that.

>>385103475
You're trying to incorporate a social element into the gameplay, correct?
All the leveling does is just gate players. It's a thoughtless activity.

You want emergent gameplay, not gated gameplay.
You don't want timers, weekly resets or levels.
You want to gate people in terms of gameplay.

You want to say, "I can't make it over this mountain because I don't have the means to cross it yet", not "I'm not high level enough to make it through the mobs".

>>385096850
>tfw had about 30 friends altogether and we were gonna play on felmyst
>dies within four hours so everyone scatters to the four winds again

It there even MMO that does exploration well?

No, I don't mean BDO. Having a big world isn't enough. I want to find secret things and be rewarded for it. I want to just travel not just to see the sights, and I don't want to be gated by my level.

Are there any MMOs that do this? BDO is a joke.

My biggest problems with mmo are either too much grinding or not enough grinding and then a lack of endgame content or it's just very boring/repetitive.

>>385104226
Tibia. You can do plenty of adventuring and exploring on even lower level too. Wandering into too dangerous places is gonna get you killed though.

Give me a good MMO I could grind the hell out of it excluding Black Desert

>>385104848
This is the problem with leveling, right?
It's linear, there's an end. You're going to reach a cap and have the gameplay be revolving around that level cap.

We were talking about emergent gameplay.
I order to have that, you need every area to be equal in traversal and combat.
Just think about how bad a game like Gradius or Super Mario would become with Attack Points, or a permanent fire flower.

MMOs should be looking at Dark Souls and Breath of the Wild.

>>385104937
FFXIV and WoW are both immensely grindy.
WoW is lategame, FFXIV is early game. WoW is faster and has better/more gameplay, FFXIV is prettier and more polished.

Pick your poison.

>>385105117
>weekly lockouts
this kills the gind

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>>385105170
This.

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>>385105174

Rust is my favorite MMO.

IMO I think progression should be focused on character development, not higher tier gears.

I think MMO's should allow for grinding mobs for stats infinitely, like old korean MMOs.

When does the next "wow killer" gets released?
Im kind addicted to play big buggy mmos at launch just to see them become a ghost town weeks/months later

>>385105464
What's this fetish called?

>>385105170
They do this because retards will burn through everything and then complain.

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>>385105174
>Lalafel

>>385105418
It shouldn't be about grinding at all. Who cares about statistics and intelligence points?
What you need is for the gear to mean something in terns of functionality.

So heavy armour reduces your combat speed, reduces your stealth, but increases the obvious.

>>385105676
I'm normally all for smallcute races, but Lalafells are a mistake of nature and whatever god they pray to with faces and heads shaped like those

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>>385100789
My nig what VPN do you use.

I want to download DDO and give it a shot but i dont want to buy a shit VPN.

Anyone able to recommend me a good VPN for nip servers from the UK

>>385105832
almost everyone uses SoftEther VPN

>>385096850
>The Truth About Why MMOs SUCK
because every developer stopped giving a fuck
cash shop bullshit is also ruining everything

>>385105903
i was looking at nordVPN, is softether free?

Id rather pay for faster D/L

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>tfwnodemains

>>385103795
Theres this concept which fixes all the problem you're talking about instantly, its called wait for it: Grouping with other players.
>You're trying to incorporate a social element into the gameplay, correct?
group with other players
>You want to say, "I can't make it over this mountain because I don't have the means to cross it yet", not "I'm not high level enough to make it through the mobs".
group with other players. I know this is too hard of a concept to grasp for most modern mmo players

>>385106030
Softether is free so I'd recommend you to use it until you've tried the game as I don't know a single soul who actually likes it

>>385105574
they add in literal safety features so shit players cant fall behind and you think they add this to inhib 'retards'? I think you're confused

>>385106425
fair point actually.

Maybe i'll watch some reviews or gameplay before going any further.

this webm looked cool though >>385100789
i just want to play an rpg desu

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>>385100104
okee

>>385106494
>Look at this shitter, doesn't even play for 32 hours per day

Fuck this dumb raiding mentality.

>>385106574
>I cant put in the time commitment to be in the top 1% of players so NO ONE can!
It's so painfully obvious you've only ever played wow from your replies
>raiding
implying im a pve player lol, blizzdrones

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This game is shit and amazing at the same time

Does Blade and Soul do anything else other than PVP well? I like the world, characters and combat, but it really feels as if the game is all about PVP and nothing else. No crafting, exploration or challenging PVE content worth mentioning?

ts not my fault no one ever interacts with me except to cast random buffs without my express permission which i immediately yell at them for

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> Friends hype up shillblood endlessly
> Think it looks like shit, plays like shit
> They insist I play, they even pay for it
> Was absolutely terrible, combat is horrible
> Story is bad, typical japanese storylines.
> Friends buy me skip potion
> Still awful, didn't get better luke they said
> Puzzled why they're so desperate for me to like the game.

Even tried RDM since they look cool, but everything about this game is mediocre.

>>385100392
>offline vindictus
Can't you just set up an server emulator (create a private server and "host" it on your PC) and play alone? That is what I did with Phantasy Star Online.

>>385107817
They're either weebs (who like anything with weeb shit) or salty former wow players who will play anything that's not wow to show big bad blizzard what they did wrong.

I agree 100%, FFXIV is one of the most boring games I've ever played, not just MMOs.

>>385096850
When I played guild wars I made a lot of friends while playing. nowadays it doesn't seem like people are interested in actually socializing in mmo's.

>>385107817
I played stormblood until i got to the lvl cap ( took 3 days) then there was nothing to do and retards everywhere so i stopped playing.
My friends keep talking about it but i don't care at all.

>>385107973
There's a big divide currently because games are trying to appeal to everyone.

You have the players who do nothing but content, mostly solo, and just want to have solid gameplay with other people at the sides. And you have the socializers, who don't give a shit about the game, and just want a world to shitpost in and pretend to be a girl.

The only MMOs worth playing are the ones where they only appeal to either of these playerbases, not both.

>>385107817
Honestly playing anything with friends is usually pretty fun. Do your friends actually play with you, or are they the sort of people who are like 'just reach endgame bro that's where the cool stuff is' and leave you to figure shit out on your own?

or do you just hate your friends

>>385096850
>implying its even fast enough to be worth it

Even if you get double exp when you group with friends you still gonna waste a shit load of time grinding your ass off for levels.
Because thats pretty much how they keep the autists playing those games, by making the most boring part of those games last even longer.
I have been trying out mmorpgs with friends since I was in highschool and I never played a single one that actually had a decent non-autistic grinding.
I fucking wish such a game existed cuz I love the concept of mmorpgs but leveling up always get boring after a point and I move on to something else.
The original Ragnarok Online and Mabinogi must have been my most played mmorpgs and only reason I kept playing was because of my friends.
Hell even my girlfriend at the time had a more leveled up character than mine.
Its a enigma to me how someone can just sit there clicking on the screen, killing the same monsters, doing the same quests, till max level.

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>>385107927
Thought I was the only one on /v/ who was massively disappointed by ff xiv. Too many meaningless fetchquests with a shit story in an mmo who's main focus is supposedly the story. I'll go back to mabinogi, I guess

>>385107817
Lol ffxiv. Asked my friends if there's any berzerker/warrior class and they said yes. Try it out and they don't have a single charged skill. Friends tell me there are no charged attacks in this game.

Never dropped an MMO so fast.

I hate auto-attack.

>>385108270
I dont hate them, but i feel ripped off even of they paid for it. They kept telling me that it gets better at 70 so i needed to rush the quests.

>>385107973
>>385107927

This is also their first AAA mmo, they haven't even touched WoW.

>>385108946
You might have to elaborate on 'charged skills' for me. The other FF game I think of for Warrior/Berserker is FFV and their defining trait was just permanent Berserk and using Axes. It's disappointing XIV's Warrior is a tank, but what's this about charging?

I'd call ARK a MMO now. You can basically travel from server to server waging war with anyone. Each server is now basically a shard and you can interact with everything. Its the FPS EVE. If Rust had Official server transfers it could become like this also. Fucking korean hordes waging battles across all servers.

>>385109047
Your friends suck and are full of shit, the game 'gets good' at around level 35, and really shines in Trials - but if you hate the leveling process and the story hasn't grabbed you by that point it's time to just fuckin drop the game.

Jumping to 60 so the story has nothing for you to invest in, skipping most the best content in the game to get to an end game which is stunted and lacking in depth due to the expansion just launching is just retarded. I'd suggest giving a 60 extreme trial a go synced to see if you like what's there at least - or maybe Binding Coil (the 50 raid), but your friends have kind of set you up to not enjoy yourself here in the name of just getting another body to max level for whatever reason.

>>385109047
Then they're just weebs.

The game doesn't get better. You get few more abilities to use during GDC and that's about it. The combat is still shallow, unimpactful and simple. Quests are still just fetch x or kill y. Raids, trials and whatever are just the usual 'don't stand in the red area, dps for 10 minutes' type deal.

FFXIV is just the most cookie cutter MMO ever made. It's funny they and WoW argue so much given the fact that they're playing the exact same game, except one has orcs instead of catgirls.

Found something out in the last thread. I can't believe Jeff Kaplan is tigole bitties from eq. Absolutely can't believe it. I haven't played mmos since eq, haven't touched overwatch so it just came as such a shock. I used to want to be in legacy of steel when I was 13 and I read their blog. That guild was just as insane and entitled as the meme image made it out to be.

>>385106030
You only need the VPN to log into the game. Once you're logged on you can turn it off, and you should be fine. Unless they started trying to purge gaijin.

>>385100292
What's your class?

>>385109370
any time someone shits on ffxiv one of you faggots gets mad and has to tell them what they did wrong and how their opinion is wrong.

why can't you xiv faggots just fuck off to /vg/ and stay there...

the game is not fun and the stupid time walls just to keep you subbed for an extra couple months are the biggest kikery i've ever experienced.

>>385110512
Swashbuckler.

>>385109887
WoW and FFXIV play differently at endgame. WoW relies on proc spam and paying attention to add-ons because the game is a visual clusterfuck, meanwhile FFXIV has no sort of add-ons outside of parsers and combat is more mechanically rigid. Sure the GCD is 1 second higher but you make up for it with instant abilities that can be weaved in frequently. It's almost required to double weave at endgame FFXIV while in WoW you don't double weave you just spam your 1-3 global cooldown attacks and hope they proc.

>>385110815
I just told him he's probably not gonna like the game and should probably stop playing. Is anything that isn't "fuck this piece of shit weeb trash, everyone who plays it is a fucking faggot" 100% praise to you? Did you drop out of high school?

>>385110829
I don't want to struggle to find a place in endgame raids, but I don't like ranged dps or healing. What should I do?

>>385110815
Well most peoples opinions about FFXIV are indeed wrong because they never reached the meat and potatoes of the content or mechanics. They just automatically assume that the mechanics and classes at level 30 work exactly the same in level 60-70 extreme/Savage mode

>>385111140
Become a tank.

>>385111252
I heard spots were hard to find because guilds usually have like 2 tanks who are in every raid

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>>385100104

>>385111237
It must be frustrating to someone who's actually played the game, but the demo is just awful. My experience with FF14 is that the game is incredibly slow and shitty and you have like 3 moves you spam over and over with 3 others on long cooldwns to kill like 20 dudes before being forced to watch another long cutscene that you don't care about. And for some reason you have to go through your inventory to hand in quest items manually, which is incredibly clunky and slow.

>make this thread once a day to discuss why modern MMOs suck
>thread always derails into wow vs ffxiv or just plain ffxiv discussion
>no attempt is ever made to discuss how to make MMOs less shit

does no one actually care, or do you guys just want to shitpost?

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You know, I've been playing around in MMOs lately, and I've been reading these threads, and a large complaint I seem to be gathering from people is that MMOs aren't as social anymore, and many people seem to be blaming it on the fact that a lot of MMOs copy WoW and make it so that you don't HAVE to interact with others. While I think the gameplay is heading that direction, I don't think that's why people are so anti-social online. I think that people in general are just becoming more anti-social. There are fewer reasons to talk to people in general, and starting up friendships is kind of a hassle, especially when it turns out that they are irreconcilably opinionated against your opinions and you wind up getting into arguments and whatnot.

I remember when I used to go onto MMOs in the early days, and people would be chatty and friendly with me at the drop of a hat, and I would say hello to complete strangers or emote at them to get their attention. Now, someone might come by and emote at me, but then they'll wander off while the rest of the world ignores me, and I never feel any desire to say hello to people.

Maybe what's wrong with MMOs is just the people in them?

>>385111005
You haven't played endgame WoW in at least two years.

>>385111237
If you have to force people through a massive fuckton of the most awful, slow, shitty gameplay so the game gets 'good', and the only way to skip that is paying for cash shop shit ontop of the sub and expansions, your game is complete trash.

Those people quit because most of the game isn't fun. Even if 50% of the game is fun, which it isn't, that doesn't excuse the other 50% being gun-to-head levels of awful.

>>385111896
I used to play FFXI a lot back when it was good still. The game forced you to interact with people via exp parties. sure you can join one and be mute with no consequences, it was just boring as fuck. it took literally months to reach max level, all the while you're in many different exp parties with most times, new people. I made dozens of friends in that game, several of which I still talk to 8 years later.

nowadays in MMOs you solo to max level in a day or three and most of the content in the game can be done solo sans endgame raids. MMOs today are basically single player games that you play next to other people.

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>>385111670
Some discussion sometimes too.

>>385111896
Yes. People have changed and the internet has changed. The harsh reality of MMOs nowadays is, if you're not playing with friends you already know, then you're gonna have a bad time.

Why talk to people when you can look everything up online, when there are videos on youtube explaining your class and every instance and secret in the game? Why talk to people when the game only makes you do so for instances and literally nothing else? Why talk to people if people aren't going to talk about the game, and instead are going to spout memes or talk about politics and LGBT shit?

This is what people need to realize. Videogames didn't change, you did. People would fucking love the vast majority of MMOs out today ten years ago or so.

one thing I never understood in new MMOs is what the point of a global cooldown is? can anyone explain to me why this is better than having everything on a separate timer?

>>385112542
Its basically a more "predictable" version of animation locks.

>>385112542
Because once you gather enough separate timers you're pretty much just cycling through non garbage skills until what you used first comes off cooldown.

>>385096850
Heres something Ive never understood, even in vanilla WoW which wasnt even my first mmo by a long shot but it still turned me off of the game. Why do people like questing?

You have this entire open world full of mystery and yet you force me on this single path in order to get the most exp. Its pretty much the exact thing as killing mobs over and over again just with more downtime havnling to run errands for exp. Every zone starts out woth kill x and y when I could just explore around and experience it.

This always kills exploration for me because you realize anything that looks awesome in a zone is just a setpiece for another railroaded quest through said zone. You cant meet people randomly in a cave then decide to explore to see how far down you can go. Its just a singleplayer line to max level without any variation.

This encompasses pretty much 80% of all themepark wow clones I play and I hate it.

>>385113890
so make every skill unique and have a good use? whats the point of making 30 skills to use when 25 of them are the same thing

>>385096850
i had no friends 15 years ago but mmorpgs were fun back then.

I tried playing Final fantasy XIV since its glorified on 4chin but its just even more casual wow clone with nothing to do except for farming gear and cosmetics.

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>>385106524
in case you're still around, I use Mudfish

Mudfish only routes the data for the program (in this case DDO) through the vpn, leaving the rest of your connection untouched when doing other things. Mudfish will generally reduce ping rather than increase it to due to better routing.

$5 of data with mudfish should last you at least a year.

>>385113965
thats the result of tying exp into quest rewards. if quests are the way to level up then the rewards always have to be exp and a small amount of money or something trivial.

FFXI handled quests quite well I thought. Many had a story line and worthwhile items as rewards. quests were also completely optional as very few even gave exp as a reward. repeatable quests were the only real fetch quests

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>>385100104
If you insist

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>>385114852
>not playing with friends

>>385115301
Is that a spinning teacup ride?

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>>385115389
you wanna go m8?

I have Eren Jaeger, a cat and the boss nig on my side, what do you got?

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>>385115997
speed-lining Belmonts

>>385115997
Why is your character a manlet?

>>385116231
because he didnt make it a man.

>>385116231
should be asking why he likes role playing as a girl

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>>385116231
because it's a girl? (female)

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>>385103003
Woah fuck what kind

Most MMOs I've played every area is a ghost town. CoH somewhat solved it and gave incentive for higher level players to join lower level players. But that game is dead now.

>>385116489
>>385116429
>>385116554
I didn't even notice that was a female. Her face completely threw me off.

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>>385100104
Here

>>385107895
i wish i knew how to host a server

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>>385100104
fuck with me and die

>>385116634
Try GW2. There's players pretty much everywhere you look. Only game that does instancing well.

>>385116638
Is that Tibia?

>>385114080
Illusion of variety. I've seen a lot of players in these threads bitch that 14 doesn't give enough variety to skills.

>>385116638
is it bad that i know basicly half of your friend list, thou i havent played tibia since 2005

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>>385097217
>source engine

Good fucking Lord, WHY

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>>385116637
i like the face+tattoo+hair colour a lot more than i expected honestly

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>>385100104
>>385105174
>>385100292
>>385102394
>>385106565
>>385106853
>>385111613
>>385115301
>>385116638
>Pretending that you are cute girls

>>385117229
Looks so fucking awful jesus christ

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>>385117256
>implying i self insert into female characters
>implying i self insert into male characters for that matter

>>385117327
wow rude

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>>385116881
Yeah. Not really playing it though. Just popped in for a moment.

>>385116912
Here is the rest of it for fun. Loads been purged over the ages of course.

>>385103003
Can I have your stuff when you leave?

I'll make a character in SAO with your name so your ghost can ascend and leave all worries behind.

>>385117472
Why even bother playing if you don't self insert?

>>385117472
>playing a role playing game and not self inserting
whats the point?

>>385117749
>>385117748
Not him, but to play a role? Why don't all actors just play themselves? What's the point of roleplaying?

It's to act out as a character would. Not as you would. People who self-insert fundamentally tend to misunderstand roleplaying. If you're playing yourself, you're not playing a role, you're just... Being you.

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>All mmos try to copy WoW
>None of them have done it well
>There's always something that makes it annoying to play
>Stuck in animations during attacks
>Quests are semi cutscenes and everything is voiced
>They act as if voice acting is a great thing when nobody gives a fuck
>Movement is floaty
>A long as fuck main quest that's always uninteresting and forced you to level in a linear path
Say what you will about WoW, but since the beginning the movements were pretty good and you always felt fully in control of your character.

>>385117472
Not everyone has self-hate issues like you. Self inserting is fun.

MMOs are the pinnacle of bad game design.

I love dragon girls.
I love big fuckhuge obnoxious weapons.
I love plate armor.
Is this character at all good or is it another case of the hulk nigga who looked fun but is boring as hell.

>>385117898
>Say what you will about WoW, but since the beginning the movements were pretty good and you always felt fully in control of your character.

Movement was decent. As far as control? Nah. The game forced you into being a heroic protagonist just like every other game does.

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>>385117748
>>385117749
for the gameplay you fucking retards holy shit dragon's dogma and action rpgs in general are not deep character driven experiences

in story driven rpgs i'll make characters react accordingly to how i made them (this character is a warrior, this character is a dickass thief, etc) but actually pretending I'm the character? Never.

>>385118047
dragon girls a shit

>>385118047
Nevermind I just watched a gameplay video and she's tiny as shit just to be cutesy.
I was hoping she was another large character.

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>>385117256

>>385118059
i see this argument a lot.

what is the story going to be if you're supposed to be some regular joe instead of the hero?

>>385118101
So you never pretended you were Dante from DMC? I pity you.

>>385097438
If your virtual self died, it would actually feel like you really died, huh

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>>385118140
You a shit!

>>385118101

Did they actually make alchemist good? Back when I played they were just outright worse than Shield Sages at buffing/debuffing and Warriors at damage.

>>385116703
Check RageZone forums, they probably have the server files and tutorials to set it up.

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>>385118047
>>385118302
Scorpion girls are better.

>>385118161
good.. now post the same one, but 3dpd and without the pants

>>385118192
Focus on all the different stories on the side instead of one big one, and let players choose which ones they wanna do and how.

Damn, that was hard. This cancer ideology that there has to be an epic main quest and that you're the chosen one that's come to save the world is so fucking childish and outdated, it's honestly embarassing that videogames still use it as the main plot hook 99% of the time.

>>385118101
get a load of this guy...

probably doesnt self insert as the cute gril in pornography either. i pity you

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>>385118192
Do you find the "you are the chosen one" stories in mmorpgs interesting?

>>385118302
I want to lift up her tail and smell.

>>385118302
no u

>>385118418
so you're the hero of this lesser side battle rather than the main battle? wow that's real different

>>385118591
no. but i also have no suggestion as to how to make them better.

>game plot is about good nation at war with evil one
>your role is not the main attack force, but being left back to defend your nation.
>either nothing of note happens and you just watch the story from a distance, or you actually play a part and have to defend the nation becoming the hero of the story that way.

>>385118724
why do some people find the smell of feces erotic?

>>385118907
No. Have sidequests for criminal characters, or traders, or socialites. Have them able to be finished in lawful and evil ways. And have them be more than kill 5 bears for their asses. You don't have to be the 'hero' in a quest. Stop calling them quests, even. Try something different.

People in MMOs don't want to be the hero anymore. They haven't for a long time, because they've done it so many fucking times now. It's boring.

>>385096850
>playing GW2 by myself
>see a lot of other people playing by themselves at events
>"hey guys how about we party up"
>they all go back to soloing

>>385118990
They also seem to have shit taste in monstergirls

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>>385118326
>worse than warriors at damage
is this supposed to be an argument, warrior is a red (dps) class, alchemist is a blue (tank/support) class.

If you take an augment than alch enchant lasts basically as long as shield sage's does, except people have to run into the enchant zone instead of forcing it on everyone.

Alch has significantly more mobility than shield sage (who has zero air mobility and no dodge function) and higher damage than SS while having worse aoe threat generation and, depending on the type of enemy, potentially worse Torpor/sleep build up.

Alchemist is the only class that can turn things to gold and SS is the only one that can petrify things, however Alch doesn't give up a skill slot per debuff and has Torpor+Golden+debuff of choice (sleep or dizzy) built into their default kit whereas shield sage needs to use a skill slot for torpor infliction, skill slot for sleep infliction, etc.

The tradeoff is Shield Sage is significantly better (and is the best class in the game) at applying elemental debuffs, but this really only means they can apply freeze a lot faster since the other elemental debuffs are eh. Freeze isn't that hard to apply though.

Anyway

Alch
>Way better damage
>way better mobility
>more custom skill variety/options

Shield Sage
>Can generally apply status effects quicker
>Force your allies to get their weapons enchanted if they're shit
>applies elemental debuffs much faster
>ZERO mobility
>very limited custom skill options

Regardless of metagame Alchemist is just way more fun. With the new skills added they now have a Piledriver and a Hand Shotgun.

>>385119159
This... looks fun.

>>385119292
good news, only have to wait never for the western release!

No other threads so I might post it here.

I had a hypothetical idea for an MMO and was wondering what /v/ thought of it.

Basically there are no classes and but you can specialize in certain roles by focusing on upgrading those stats.

Now here's where the fun part comes in: unlocking skills and abilities should be a rigorous and somewhat secretive process with limited "availability" at a given time.

I'll elaborate with a few examples:
>You want to be a generic knight
>Go to your largest city and sign up for military camp
>100 slots a month
>training is a series of quests with something like a schedule
>after you're done you'll be given basic soldier equipment, you'll have a knowledge of armed melee combat and you now have the option to do further military quests

>You want to be a mage
>Mage Academy has a steeper entry fee and only accepts 10 people every month and all slots are filled
>decide to try your luck somewhere else
>stumble upon secret necromancer cult
>given the option to join them
>if you accept, the next person who stumbles upon them won't be given this option because you've filled the only slot for the time period

This would lead to characters actually being unique and a result of the journeys the player has undertaken. You never quite know what the other player might have up his sleeve. Instead of making everyone similar and replaceable you'll be able to forge a character that's completely unique due to his range of skills he's acquired.

I would also base a lot of it around PvP where opposing factions (town guards and bandits for example) would have quests that involve disrupting other groups.

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>>385119292
it has it's moments but >>385119383
western release is literally never

>>385119412
sounds obscenely tedious

>>385119490
It's only tedious if the combat isn't fun.

>>385119412
>limiting the amount of people that can be x class
>requiring you to play on a schedule
instantly dropped

>>385119159

I always played Warrior as a tank since it did outrageous damage and can face tank everything.

>>385119561
>have to wait a month to play the class you want for completely arbitrary reasons
tedious

>>385119412
This would be great, as long as you have the same system for every other 'job' in the game.

Want to run/help at a tavern? Gotta find one with jobs available.

If it was made with pure combat in mind, people would get bored quickly. MMOs need a lot more, nowadays.

>>385119383
you dont need to wait for a western release you literally download the game, install the English patch, do the vpn work around so you only need the vpn on until you hit character select, its honestly the easiest Jap game to install.

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>>385100104
Rate my potatoe.

>>385119561
i mean literally the only idea you listed is something annoying and restrictive, how do you intend to make the combat fun enough to make people willing to play around this?

>>385119412
an mmo like that would financially fail because
>why do i have to wait a month to play a mage fuck this
>I want to play fighter but I have shift work how am i supposed to make the schedule?

Not to mention everything like
>stumble across secret necromancer cult
will be datamined, so the few remaining people actually playing your game will simply go down the list of things they want to play until they find one that's available. More likely they'll quit out of frustration.

This type of mmo only works in a utopia type world where no one has to work and can spend as much time as they like fully investing themselves into VR worlds in the style of game you describe.

>>385119093
You're supposed to forcefully just invite people at random and see if they accept. Most likely they will accept. No one is gonna talk though..

Or if they talk it will be complaining about the developer how they fucked up recently again

>>385119756
>roleplaying as a child
wew... games dont even hide their pedo agenda anymore

>>385119618
Or you could just go to a different mage academy

>>385119776
>>385119603
>schedule
>I can't log in once a day to do a 15 minute daily quest
Find a different job that isn't as strict

Datamining is an issue but you can kind of circumvent this by having the spots be semi-randomly generated.

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Objectively perfect MMO coming through. Every other MMO is filthy unwashed heathen garbage in comparison to this piece of perfection. The PvP gameplay alone is better than any other competitive game in existence, be it a fighting game or shooting game or RTS game or moba whatever.

>>385120007
most lala players have mental disabilities, dont bully.

>>385120074
>instanced shit
>MMO

>>385120052
It wouldn't work, because even though it'd be awesome and make players actually feel important and unique, as you're seeing by the responses in this thread, people want instant gratification.

>>385118059
>The game forced you into being a heroic protagonist just like every other game does.
Modern WoW, sure. It wasn't the case in vanilla though.

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>>385100104

>>385120135
>massively multiplayer and online with the character creation and roleplaying aspects of a role-playing-game

?

>>385120052
not about a job, its about having a life.
>power goes out
welp guess i cant be in the army anymore cuz i wasn't able to finish the quest today
>wife/gf/kids/whatever-the-fuck needs attention
welp guess i cant be in the army anymore cuz i had to do real life shit today. or alternatively... gf/wife gets mad because you had to cut date short so you could race home and quick get the daily quest in under the time limit

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>>385119605
Warrior is literally not a tank

>DPS
Warrior/Fighter/Hunter/Sorcerer/Seeker
>Tank
Alchemist/Shield Sage
>Healer
Spirit Lancer/Priest/Elemental Archer

Extreme mission queues default to (as in enforced by the game unless you purposely disable it) 1 tank, 2 dps and 1 healer class. Tanks are the only classes that can provide weapon enchants, status debuffs like torpor and are the only classes who can hold aggro.
Likewise healers are the only classes that can heal (wow) and reveal the enemies secret cores, which results in significantly faster kill times.

Warrior is the 'tankiest' DPS in that it can eat the most hits (at the cost of mobility) but it fulfills none of the requirements of the tank role as DDO defines it.

>>385120052
You can't have it both ways. Either it's restrictive enough to limit the amount of people who want to play something, or it's not. Likewise with the schedule, either it's a full on training regimen or it's just another daily quest like any other mmo.

If you make class obtaining quests randomly generated then either all the preset spots it can be are datamined or, if it's truly random, people complain because they want to play necromancer but the game says no fuck you go walk around and hope you come across it.

>>385120193
Yes, it did. Every instance and big quest made you the big hero.

Just because they didn't give you garrisons or legendary weapons doesn't mean you weren't the MC.

>>385120352
>warrior not a tank
>has a taunt

>alchemists can tank
????????

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two much abysmal/tedious grinding and needless/retarded pvp, not enough fun adventuring
now cue the (you)s be them good or bad

>>385120287
>Wow I sure hate playing video games. Playing video games is so tedious. I'd rather fuck my girlfriend than play video games

Neo-/v/ everyone. Do something else then.

You know how most good raiding guilds expect you to commit a bit of time if you actually want to stay in the guild?

Well it's like that except the game itself does it. You're not entitled to the best skill paths without being willing to work for them.

>>385120371
..No? Describe which ones, because that sounds completely wrong

>>385120602
>warrior has a taunt
Warrior literally does not have a taunt, what the fuck did he mean by this?
Warrior has ZERO abilities that provoke the enemy into attacking them

>alchemists can tank
Alchemists wear shield sage armour (aka the HEAVIEST ARMOUR) and any enemy with an alchemy core is forced to target the alchemist (the more built up the cores are the more you solidify how long you have the aggro). You know how alch places these cores on enemies? By hitting them with literally ANY ATTACK.

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>>385120007
Lalafells are not children! they are potatoes

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Why do people like Snorefest and huge grindfest MMOs like FFXIV? That game has you running all over the got damn place. You spend more time traveling to your quest than actually running quest, especially the ones in the cities. I couldn't take it and quit because it was causing me to fall asleep.

Action MMOs like Vindictus on the other hand... are so fucking fun! I can't wait for Miri to release on the NA servers.

>>385120174
There's already an MMO that requires the same level of dedication and yet it's still one of the best out there (EVE Online).

But I guess it's to be expected when the median age of EVE players is 30 while the average /v/ermin is a fucking toddler.

>>385121043
Because MMO players don't want a game, they want a time-sink where they can shitpost and pretend to be girls.

FFXIV scores extra points by being very weeb and having a big name behind it.

>>385120793
maybe we're having different discussions here but there's no reason your mmo wouldn't work mechanically but the entire point of mmo's (and games) is to make money

Financially, the type of mmo you describe would fail due to being extremely niche.

>>385121048
EVE is boring

>>385121043
>Mom look at all the cool anime moves I can do

Now imagine this but with much greater lag because this shit isn't sustainable with a large playerbase.

People like you don't actually want to play MMOs. You basically want an anime fighting game but with many players on screen.

>paying $15 a month to play a video game

You fags know this was only acceptable as a teen right?

Is this where people go to shill their obscure Korean/Chinese mmos?

>>385120793
thats fine, but put all the work in at once so people can do it at their own pace. what possible reason other than artificial walls to keep players subscribed longer would there be for such a system as he/you were describing?

hell, put in 30 quests that you have to do in a month would be a better way of going about it than requiring someone's attention part of a day every day for a month.

>>385121048
Eve is not doing great, and it had to go F2P.

Eve was never big and has always been a super niche game.

>>385119412
This is one of the most hilariously bad "ideas guy" posts i've seen in a long time. Literally the only thing you've proposed for your "hypothetical mmo" is a particularly strict entrance requirement to join certain classes. At least most idea guys have the decency to think beyond the one gimmick that made them shit their filth onto the thread. Whats the fucking combat like? Are there gathering classes? Do you understand that the things you've theorised would at best be a small footnote on a game, not the main focus?

>>385121268
why? are you trying to make some "muh jewish tricks" argument here?

>>385121043
How come Kritika didn't get popular?

>>385121229
I will not dispute any of this. That's why it's just a hypothetical.

What's happening on screen in EVE isn't very exciting admittedly but the metagame is great.

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>>385121227
FFXIV had the same exact name as it did during 1.0 patch and it flopped massively in both sales and reviews.

Ever since they reboot it in 2013, it's been a massive success and just recently received a brand new expansion. What went right for FFXIV despite it's previous setbacks while other WoW clones died or failed miserably to the point of going F2P?

>>385101526
It all comes down to the grind.

See, at no point in Super Mario does the game stop you between levels and say "HEY, YOUR NUMBERS ARE TOO LOW FOR THIS NEXT LEVEL GO BACK TO THE LAST LEVEL AND JUMP ON ALL THE ENEMIES FOR TWO HOURS. THEN YOU CAN PLAY THIS NEXT LEVEL."

You move through the game at your own pace, and the only thing that stops your forward progression is your own skill. MMOs can't afford to allow that. They need to slow you down so that you keep up your subscription. Allowing game progression to be dictated by the skill of the individual means the very best players run out of content the fastest, grow bored and move on to new games.

The problem inherent in the genre isn't the RPG, it's crafting the RPG to pad out time and force players to replay the same content over and over.

>>385121474
Theres no agenda. Why are you paying monthly when you dont know when/if/what kind of content will come out? Devs should just sell expansions, and increase cost if need be. Right now they're doing it just because they can. WoW is entirely paid for in box sales. The sub fee and shop is just icing on the cake for them, but people act like they need it.

>>385096850
Nah, I have friends who are willing to play MMO's however none meet the quota, they're either garbage games where you just stand in one place casting 24/7 or when they're centered around action corridor based garbage

The only thing close to the ideal MMO is Dragon's Dogma online but that shit is Jap only and no one wants to go through the hassle to actually get to play it

>>385121657
Maintaining servers worldwide and paying the staff that host those servers isn't free.

>>385121474
I'm saying that eventually you'll get tired of an MMO like any game, however at least with most games you only pay once.

Your paying into something that can change at anytime, like how WoW went from god-tier to garbage.

I know you make memories and shit but I'm pretty sure every MMO player at some point will start to regret how much they've spent.

>>385121043
Imagine this many flashy effects but with 50 players on screen.

This korean power fantasy garbage is fucking god awful.

You can't feel powerful because you can throw a meteor when there's 50 other people throwing meteors.

I swear to god asians have no sense of subtlety. Maybe it's all the wuxia garbage and webtoons they read.

>>385121546
I'm glad it's not popular. I like how comfy it is.

>>385121752
Its easily covered multiple times over in box sales. The GW devs blew the whistle on that scam other devs were trying to pull, and showed actual costs on maintaining mmo servers.

>>385121237
>>385121858
Samefag

>>385121879
GW doesn't even have a fraction of WoWs players or servers needed to host it's immensive world+populations.

>>385121657
unless you've heard otherwise, you're to assume the game is a going concern and will have regular content updates. is this not part of the reason for subscriptions? honestly im asking. i have no idea what it costs to develop new content for MMOs. servers and maintenance staff as well

>>385121801
It's not about the future you fucking faggot, it's about the now. Who gives a fuck about what's to come, as long I'm enjoying the current content I'm having fun.

>>385122197
Plenty of mmos have regular content updates without a sub fee, some just as substantive as WoW or XIV. How come they apparently 'require' both a sub fee and cash shop?

>>385120761
Adventuring flat out doesn't work in the modern due to things being datamined, wiki'd, optimized and minmaxed so quickly.

This is part of why so much hype is built up around newly launching mmo's (and expansions) and people take days off work/stay up all night playing new content because it's actually fresh and not everything is known.

Outside that brief launch period not using external resources with the game is flat out playing suboptimally and it will be more difficult to find players to do things randomly because 'Nah that quest doesn't give anything good' or 'Why would you bother doing that quest when you could use _____ leveling method which is way faster lmao'

People complain about newer mmo's not being social and blame the new generation and/or WoW's influence and/or casuals but I don't think anything specific is to blame, it's simply the progression of how easy it is to collate and share information now. When game's like Everquest and Ultima Online original released there was more community interaction because wiki's and online resources were relatively minimal compared to today, so you had to use in game methods to solve your issue. Now there are wiki's and guides for every literally who game (Dragon's Dogma Online has an english wiki for example) so using external resources is just being efficient.

This is an issue that can't really be fixed outside of unrealistically massive and complex games where there's a mindboggling amount of stuff/mechanics to discover.

>>385122329
The content updates in a buy to play game like guild wars are really small. They save the updates for the paid expansions. Also f2p games have it worse by having pay to win elements and very shitty third world communities infesting Western servers.

>>385121546
>how come Kritika didn't get popular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcrQnCythxA
hmm

>>385122329
I honestly don't know which is why i was asking. are games like FFXIV and WoW more time intensive to produce content for? do they release content updates more frequently?

MMOs won't progress until they abandon the pay per month model for a pay per life model.

>>385122357
I remember playing WoW in a net cafe with a poor grasp of english and having the time of my life exploring and then some people come over and tell me >Why are you doing that? You should be doing this

Datamining and Wikis is basically the modern version of that.

>>385121594
FFXIV took old and well loved formulas and gave it a modern polish. You don't need to be innovative to be good in the MMO genre. Heck, all MMORPGs are 100% copies of MUDs.

>>385122542
>skillful play
>doesn't get hit

Did you post that to impress me?

>>385122542
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Baddies would love this class.

>>385122770
if that doesn't look insanely low quality, not to mention boring, to you then you're too far gone

>smashing the fuck out of all his cooldowns
>skillful play
oh but he probably does them in a certain order that changes everything seriously though the game looks like utter garbage and i'm not just talking about the visuals

>>385104226
GW2 but that's the only thing it does well.

>>385123032
Are there any DPS classes? Like Tanks or Assassins with giant swords or daggers?

>>385122721
no they catered to casuals because there are far more casuals than there are people who liked what the genre of mmorpg used to be. how is a game supposed to feel massive when everything is instanced? because theres a couple open world fights?

>>385123303
Why are you asking that the guy who's shitting on the game?

>>385123303
in what, Kritika? no idea, probably. pretty sure there's a cat class

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DDO EU release FUCKING WHEN?!!??!!??!

>>385117256
>>Pretending that you are cute girls

Is this what everyone really thinks people do when they create female characters and play them?

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>>385123378
Your post tells me that you barely played the game and you are still a sprout that should go to Novice Network.

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>>385123558
Don't worry, soon more tears will fall

>>385123409
Because based on this >>385121043 the combat looks interesting enough to try it. I know he's just using one class to shit on the game, I'm not stupid. btw are you the anon who post that webm?

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>>385100104
She's not flat any more

>>385123668
typical ffxiv faggot. someone criticizes your shit game and and you tell them they just didn't play far enough to form an opinion, their opinion is bad, or they were playing the game wrong

how about this faggot... a game that is good from the start? and no, im not talking about starting the game as a max level ready to go do endgame raids. as long as the game mechanics are fun the whole game can be fun, not just max level crap

>>385121043
a good MMO builds a world. a trash MMO gives you the option to teleport from town to your objective.

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>>385123920
No, I'm a different anon, but I have Kritika webms too.

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Whats the max level in your MMO?

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waiting on superior bless online

>>385124043
You sound mad because you're bad

>>385124193
So literally every MMO except Black Desert Online which has no teleporting is 100% open world.

>tfw only you can appreciate how much skill this took
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AwlBgAbWfw

how can modern mmo's even compete?

>>385124345
Good argument. expected nothing less of an XIVfag

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>>385124290

>>385124505
yeah I expect nothing less from a person who hates MMOs.

>>385124374
pretty much any MMO that has come out in the past 5 years is garbage because the entire world is throw away trash that gets used once and never again.

>>385124219
OK. Is there a tank class?

>>385124387
oh shit i remember that guy haha... wasn't even on his server and he was still a legend. doing that on a ps2 makes it even more impressive.

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>>385124617
There isn't really a tank or healer class like in your average mmorpg. Just DPS.

>>385124290
You mean the game that did so poorly they shut down russian servers and aeria games cancelled publishing it in the west?
Looks great!

>>385125260
It was before its time sadly. People werent ready for a true mmo experience again.

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>>385100104

>>385124290
Game is never ever. It's even getting shutdown in korea. But they're going to try to Square Enix their game and repackage it soon as Bless 2.0.

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>>385125260
It's getting the xiv treatment, familia. Optimization is one of the big things they're working on.

>>385124290
I'm genuinely curious, what is about this game that makes it special? It has two warring factions, just like in WoW, and looks like a run of the mill mmorpg to me.

>>385125526
RIP XIV, then.

XIV would be dead already if BDO wasn't so shit.

>>385125608
It looks very pretty.

That's what 90% of retards want in an MMO, primarily.

It's true. A lot of the people that can't get into MMO or dislike MMOs are solo players. They get stuck at a wall that would be easy to bypass if they had a buddy to help them. MMOs have always been mostly about playing together rather than solo. It doesn't matter how good or bad a game is when you're playing with friends.

>>385121043
The problem with "action instanced MMOs" is that, like many other kinds of online games, the combat itself is a bootleg version of a singleplayer game. Even if it have a decent gameplay, I don't feel interested in playing these for very long since they never have anything else to offer.
The whole positive aspect of these games are concentrated on your character: You are strong, flashy, sexy, can do crazy combos and shit. That is nice, but everything else around you is just mediocre. Enemies are dumber than your average musou fodder, stages are mostly boring and uninspired, aspects like music and world building are always mediocre, and so on.
What is the point of playing some shit like Kritika for its "fast paced combat and no time wasters" when replaying Metal Gear Rising for the 200th time will still be as fun as ever?

So,
>Why do people like Snorefest and huge grindfest MMOs like FFXIV
Because they have something else that singleplayer games rarely have, like professions, housing, visual customization, sense of long-lasting adventure with your character and the world around it, the good and old glorified chatroom aspect of it, etc. Plus all the positive gameplay aspects of it.
Not saying that all action online grindfests are as mediocre as Kritika. Games like Warframe have offers interesting features like the artstyle and setting, trading chat only (no auction houses), tons of different kinds of weapons to grind (and be disappointed with the final result), nice robutts (very rare nowadays), and so on. And the combat is also pretty neat.

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>>385100104

Recommend me a mmo rpg in medieval setting with a simple job system. I really dislike those with 70 variants of the same goddamn job. May be nostalgia googles, but I really liked Ragnarok Online.

>>385125608
Personally, I like the setting and the focus on open world pvp.

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>>385126185
Done

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>>385096850
Why'd you have to remind me? ;-;

>>385126042
Vindictus and Tera have the best MMO bosses and they are action MMOs

What is this ugly mmo people keep shilling lately in mmos threads?

>>385126042
Nailed it. 90% of Korean action MMOs are really shallow when it comes to things not visible at first glance like enemy design and only do the action part by being flashy and having combos entirely composed of using cooldown skills one after another.

I genuinely just want to play some proper multiplayer Beat'em up/MH clone but they all shit/gone to shit/already playing.

>>385126485
Game?

>>385126485
Does dying have any meaning? Do you lose anything?

Big pet peeve for me when dying just means you have to walk a bit.

>>385120074
>FOTM build shit

I sure hope you don't want to use most of the skills in the game because chances are you won't

>>385126679
Vindictus now allows you to just spam potions all day without animation, and gave everyone ages of iframes some time ago. They have been now switching between gimmicks for bosses and give them stupidly high stats. Also anything outside combat is just unbearable at this point.

>>385123964
DO IT FAGGOT

>>385125413
How good is TERA?
I'm interested in playing it.

>>385127001
>Vindictus now
I was talking about "Vindictus now" as it's a dead game anon.

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>>385126808
Dragons Dogma Online

>>385126862
You get 3 wakestones per day, and it varies from there.
>Can use them on your pawns if they die to revive them
>Can use them to revive yourself
>Forced to use them when you're alone
>If you're with at least one other human person they have 15 seconds to get you up to negate it like with a pawn but its an animation that can't be cancelled
>Actually dying while doing something that isn't a raid will put you back in the last town you were in and reset your progress on whatever quest you were doing
>Applies the weakened debuff which lowers your max hp and all of your stats so you're more likely to die again
>Have to wait 15/30 minutes to a hour for it to go away depending on how much you die but can be removed by paying 100g/5000g/100kg in those quantities every time after
>All of the time you have to wait and how much you have to pay resets every day

Here's a good example of it

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>played the dreamcast game
>loved the shit out of it
>still do
>hear about an MMO version released this april
>year of our lord 2017
>download it
>disappoint doesn't even begin to describe this feel

fuck man.

>>385126925
then play offmeta and have fun fag, the game doesn't force you into doing one thing a certain way ever

>>385126862
you get 3 lives per day (unless you're a subscriber, than you can refresh your 3 lives whenever you're in the city). As long as you have lives you can revive on the spot.

if you die while out of lives either your party members have to hold your hand you back life or you're out and basically have to restart the content.

it's an action game, it's not going to have punishing deaths like making you delevel.

>>385126808
>>385100789
>>385123787

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>>385100104

>>385127379
are you a separate person to >>385126485

i struggle to believe 3 people who play DDO ended up in the same thread

>>385127173
Its a Shitshow right now.

>>385126761
>>385126761
>I genuinely just want to play some proper multiplayer Beat'em up/MH clone
Literally Vindictus

>>385127747
Elaborate

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>>385127662
Thats still me its just a character I used to play on. There are at least 4/5 of us though that I know of who actually play and came from here though

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>>385100104

>>385103343
Phantasy Star Universe actually did have a pretty cool Casino if I recall.

>>385102719
if people want unlimited content, just give them unlimited content, why has no one implemented a procedural generated dungeon adventure to mmos to keep them hooked for years seems like the optimal solution.

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>>385127405
Right in the nostalgia. Had no idea there was a Dreamcast game. Downloading that shit now.
Also, I've heard RoLW Online barely has any players.

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>>385127793
>Community hate new players
>Instance matching will get you people who don't know how to play or roll their gear correctly
>Won't get into most LFG's because you won't have +15 gear which is super expensive to obtain
>PvP scene is non-existant
>Pretty much required to view a guide online to even understand how to gear properly
>Playerbase is slowly dwindling down
>same optimisation issues as when the game first released back in 2012, lucky to get 40fps in a current dungeon on the lowest possible settings

Elin thighs though.

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>>385100104

>>385127981
Is this yet another asian grinder where you mow down enemies like in a musou?

>>385128134
it does, and it's complete fucking garbage. it's a shitty browser style "mmo" that are dime a dozen grindy cash grabs you see on sites like kongregate. enemies you fight drop like 2-10 gold. the cheapest weapon costs 2200 gold. the damage upgrade brings you from 5-7 to 10-12.

and that horrible horrible fucking engrish.

No one makes relaxed and comfy MMOs you can lay in bed and play with just the mouse anymore. I love my PSO2 but sometimes I want to relax and just click on things.

>>385128282
>down enemies like in a musou
Literally every MMO. No MMOs have ever been designed to be challenging.

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>>385128134

>>385128501
EVE

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>>385128282
Enemies appear to be a bit "tanky" in that one.
I'm more hyped for Moonlight Blade, though.

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>>385129341
What was her problem?

>>385125608
taking screenshots it's pretty much endgame anon, the game is like whatever

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>>385127119
RIP /gw2g/, you were a pile of shit but at least you were an alive pile of shit

>>385100104
That looks good

I like military hats