He's already in jail, why deny the Misham case?

*black psyche locks your investigation*

gosh, he's so pretty

>>385094214
>nuAA writing team tries to shoehorn this garbage into the next game
>poorly

>>385094284
DD was way better than AJ though.

Because he's evil

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Do you think Pearl will develop as much "spirituality" as her big cousin Mia?

>>385094284

>poorly

Not really

It's about a truth the person is unknowingly hiding, it goes pretty well with Kristoph whose entire mental case is to pretend what happened 7 years ago didnt happen and wants to erase any trace of it

The fucker stalked brushel for fucks sake

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>>385094502
>the next game
>talks about AJ

>>385094284

>nuAA writing team

You only have Takumi leaving it retardedly ominous
Fucker did the same shit to DGS

>Does everything because he's butthurt he lost a poker game
Kristoph was a shit villain.

>phoenix wright
>I can see a contradiction in your statement, I want to reel out the truth
>apollo justice
>DUDE I JUST SAW YOU TWIDDLE YOUR FINGERS WHAT ARE YOU HIDING
>dual destines lady
>WHOA MY WATCH DETECTED YOU WERE REAL SAD BUT THEN YOU GOT ANGRY THEN HAPPY THEN SAD AGAIN THIS PROBES YOUR GUILT

>>385094306
hell no, AJ cases were short enough, whereas DD Tenma Taro's case got me fucking bored wanting to end it already.

>>385094735

>Famous Magician case
>Kristoph already makes progress
>Zak "Wife Stealer" Gramarye calls you in for a card game
>Fuck you, im dropping you

Zak "Daughter Dropping" Gramarye is the only one to blame

>>385094132
AA5 totally ruined the series

>>385094735

Imagine what all could have been avoided had Zak Gramarye not fired Gavin over a poker game.

Gavin would have gotten him off the hook, and no one would have died.

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>>385094748

Nice meme faggot

>>385094748
I hated the mood matrix dialogue so much.
>When you said that you were suddenly HAPPY
>What caused you to be SAD
>I detect that you were ANGRY

I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but referring to emotions so directly and plainly came off as so awkward. She's supposed to be good at psychology isn't she? Aren't you supposed to get people to talk about it themselves, not tell them how they feel?

>>385094832
You meant totally redeemed after the disaster that was AJ.

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>>385094748
Everything from DD was shit and should be erased from existence. Pic very much related.

>>385094132
this case was a fucking mess for many reasons beside this one to be fair

>>385094920

Fullbright was awesome.

He's very popular in Japan too.

>>385094894
Better than the spiritual shit. It was tolerable during investigations, but 3-5 outright has you cross-examine ghosts in a courtroom. That was so stupid.

>>385094832

>Ruined

You guys don't deserve any games

>>385094920
>hating on the single best character in the entire series
What should be erased from existence is people with shit taste like yours.

>>385094920
>They hated Anon because he told them the truth

>>385094894

What the fuck did you want her to say

the point is that the fucking witness wont tell you the truth

Same shit with Apollo, they wont spoil it, Apollo figures it out with the statement

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Was this really necessary?

>>385094748
I wish they would stop adding gimmicks to the courtroom segments and forcing all these "epic" moments. DD making the courtroom segments a little more cinematic was nice because they did really well with the 3D animation and it was nice to see, but they just went overboard with SoJ.

>>385094997

But that's been ingrained in the series since the very beginning.

Mia took over Maya's body in case two of the very first game.

>>385094894

>Get them to talk about it themselves

That was never the case, Apollo and Wright had to point out to said person being affected by Mood/Bracelet/Magatama what they were hiding

It was afterwards that they would admit it and explain more

>>385095045
let's not get ahead of ourselves here, Fulbright was pretty good but a lot of characters completely shit on him. He's still the best part of DD

>>385094905
>>385095009

AJ would not be a disaster if DD actually tried to complete the plot, instead they act like it never happened and pulled a fan service. And the cases were disappointing as well

PW spent 3 full and complete games to shape the character

>>385095242
That's why I said it was tolerable before, because it was usually limited to Phoenix getting some help during the cases, but wasn't the focus of the cases themselves.

>>385095419
>instead they act like it never happened
Best decision they could've possibly done.

>>385095246
>>385095119
Magatama makes less sense logically, but the dialog comes out better. The idea is that "I know they're hiding something, so I should press them more on this". That's the tone that you should get when using these truth-finding gimmicks. You press for more information surrounding the piece of information they're hiding until they slip. Apollo and Athena are just "My gimmick says you're lying because you twitched" and the witness breaks. If Apollo's discovery dialog was something more along the lines of "This guy is getting nervous when he talks about this subject. How should I approach this?" it would have worked better. I don't think they need to shove their magic abilities in the witness's faces. Phoenix never brings up his Magatama because he knows that while it's accurate, it is by no means actual proof. Apollo and Athena don't treat their gimmicks like that.

>>385094997

Is cross-examining a ghost, in the established world of Ace Attorney (where police ask spirit mediums like Misty Fey for help), any more ridiculous than cross-examining a bird, or a perspiring walkie-talkie?

>>385095613
No, not really.

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>DD/SoJ apologists respond to criticism by trying to claim AA was ALWAYS shit

>>385094997
>3-5

Wait till 6-3.

>>385095668


>criticisms

The only criticisms are people whinning about more gameplay mechanics

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at least we got the best prosecutor

>>385095763
Let's just ignore the fact that DD completely did away with investigations. Ignore the fact that there's never, at any point, more than one NPC available to talk to.

>>385095668

>bringing SoJ into this

Anon stop

>>385095534
Magatama worked well because it was just courtroom gameplay outside of the courtroom. You still use a magical mcguffin to force testimony out of people who aren't obliged to tell you anything.

Athena's gimmick was better than Apollo's, because it doesn't just catch the witness off-guard by telling them they're sad or happy. The witnesses themselves might be unaware they're not testifying truthfully because their perception of the events was warped by their mental state.
Plus it was so much better mechanically, because you had to look for unfitting emotions, missing emotions, unusual emotion intensity and other different irregularities. It was just handled quite poorly by the devs, because they open up all those mechanics very gradually, and only use it to its full potential in the last case. Apollo's bracelet was just the same pixel hunting every time you used it.

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What was her legal penalty for lying under oath, tampering with evidence, being an accomplice to the murder of Elise Deauxnim, and desecrating a corpse?

>>385095716
I played SoJ, and I really didn't like it. Except the civil trial. That was novel.

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>>385095789
He seems great until you get to the end of the game. Why did Simon and Athena play dumb about their relationship until the very end of the story?

>>385095920
>You still use a magical mcguffin to force testimony out of people who aren't obliged to tell you anything
They don't tell you anything until you find evidence that gets them to crack. You actually have to go out and investigate and talk to people.

Better or worse than the other doesn't matter much when both Apollo's and Athena's gimmicks are boring. Though I get that comparing them doesn't seem fair when they're both incredibly different in terms of how they function.

>>385095983
Death sentence. Everyone in the AA world gets a death sentence.

>>385096042
exactly this, I was so confused and mad, how can you talk like some strangers when you had such history? holy shit this is retarded

>>385096145
Stupid anime trope.

>>385096042

>Play dumb

Blackquil already rejected Athena before and had an attitude adjustment that caused Athena to stop and force herself to try to fix it without him

Blackquil himself still believed Athena did it

>>385095983

Probably a good few years in prison. She was pretty close with Nick at the end of game 3, and yet seven years later he's still jacking off in the office while Trucy's in bed.

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Was Brushel /ourguy/?
>genuine
>very rarely bullshits
>owns up to it when he does
>eager to help
>unorthodox appearance scares normies away

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I can't believe both DD and SoJ had the exact same "seemingly cold-hearted prosecutor is actually trying to protect his imouto" twist

How the fuck are you seriously going to pull that shit back-to-back?

AJ might have been shit, but at least Klavier wasn't another angry prosecutor with a mysterious past.

>>385095789

Simon Blackwell > Godot > Miles Edgeworth > Manfred von Karma > Gaspen Payne > Winston Payne > Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in > Franziska von Karma > Nahyuta Sahdmadhi > Klavier Gavin

>>385096413
>Godot that high
The man was literally brain damaged

DGS2 out next week, folks. To people who played/watched the first one, what are your expectations?

O HOLY MOTHER-

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Lets talk about the elephant in the room:

Aura Blackquil being the single most unnerving person to be around
Imagine having to stand around a fuckung nutcase whose loudly proclaiming how much she wants to fucking kill you

>>385094317
What a shit anime, and it's shit because the animation was complete garbage.

>>385096413
>Klavier is the most competent out of all prosecutors in the series
>last place

>>385096405

Technically speaking, Nahuta got literally cucked and didnt know about it

>>385096405

Don't pretend Godot isnt in that side too anon

>>385096413
Close
Edgeworth > Blackquill > Manfred Von Karma > Gaspen Payne > Franziska Von Karma > Godot > Klavier > Ga'ran > Winston >>> Nahyuta

Gaspen was legitimately entertaining and tricky, he just happened to get involved in a potential court bombing and then histroy breaking moment in Khurain. Godot's appearance alone was ridiculous (yes, even if it was a condition)

>>385096618
>tfw Edgeworth is actually the best but SoJ babbies will call it nostalgia

>>385096618

I honestly thought Gaspen Payne seemed to be a better prosecutor than Nahyuta Sahdmadhi, after playing the first two cases of Spirit of Justice.

>>385096701

When I say "better," I don't mean 'better character,' but rather 'better at doing his job.'

>>385096660
none of these make sense

>>385094748
>DUDE I JUST SAW YOU TWIDDLE YOUR FINGERS WHAT ARE YOU HIDING
it's a well known fact that people have some kind of tell when they're lying

>>385094920
I had this spoiled because someone posted his pick and said 'replaying the game is going to be awkward.'

I thought he was going to be someone who wanted to undermine the attempts to reform the ystem and further embrace the dark age of the law where his saying is turned into.

>Injustice we trust.

>>385096463
I watched half of DGS1, as I stopped halfway to learn Japanese to play it.

From what I watched, I'm going to expect some fun dialogue, at least one decent case with a good twist that probably hasn't been done in AA before (Case 3 was great due to it's end and implications), and more "Ryu finding out what it is to be a true attorney like his friend Kazuma". And more Holmes being Holmes, which is always fun.

>>385096413
>forgetting debeste prosecutor

>>385096502
And don't forget that she bullies robots

>>385094920
Someone explain how anyone could like Fullbright. He was boring and a walking cliche

>>385096664

>imfuckinglying and projecting

We all love edgeworth

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>>385096660
>big top
>stolen
>kidnapped
wew
>turnabout for tomorrow
KEK

>>385096834
yeah but people telling the truth because you saw the tell is top bullshit, at least most mood matrix are helpful people who had trouble remembering

>>385096618
>>385096701

The fact that Gaspen literally told the judge to force the fucking death penalty is also noticably kek

>>385095983
Iris did nothing wrong

>>385096660

Took me a second to understand Turnabout Airlines

That was fucking Zany
Fucking Edgeworth watching a fat guy slip down the fucking stairs gave him the fucking idea

>Kay was at her best when she acts nothing like her old self, aka getting fucking amnesia

>Athena is at her best when your at her point of view instead of an assistant

What did they mean by this?

>>385094132
It's been a while since I played, but why would Kristoph talk to Phoenix after the shit he pulled on him?

>>385097967
Athena should really get more cases when you play as her. Especially now, when Apollo has finally been written out of the story.

>>385097413

>but people telling the truth because you saw the tell is top bullshit

Thats not what happens, like at all

Apollo puts two and two together (The tell and the statement) and figures it out, with their reaction confirming it

Did you fucks play any of these fucking games?

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Is it weird to just despise the main games from 4 onwards but love the Edgeworth games? Even though those games came after AA4 it just feels more like a natural extension of the trilogy.

>>385096854
The one case in it that everyone seems to agree on being good is like a better version of one of the most popular cases from the Trilogy. Can't really say anything more about it without spoiling it.

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>>385098257
No, it makes sense. They're definitely better about callbacks to the original trilogy, too.

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>>385096316
I reached his part personally and I don't really understand why /v/ gets an instant hateboner for him.

>>385094748
Percieve only comes off as odd because no one else needs to rely on tells + these tics are pretty much immediately forgotten about after being pointed out the first time at that which makes it feel gimmicky. In a system where Prosecutors can so readily withhold information from you or just immediately get the case on their side, all shit like Psyche Locks or even Mood Matrix (though why the Judge lets Athena use it so freely in court I have no idea) literally do is force a cross examination the prosecutor normally can't fuck with.

>>385098071

This

I love SoJ and Apollo in general
But Athena with Trucy assist would be the Fucking best

>>385098257

That's your problem

Old trilogy is still old trilogy

New trilogy needs to be accepted as it's own trilogy then maybe you can appreciate it

>>385098951
Also Blackquill should never be reduced to the role of an assistant and only prosecute or be limited to just cameos.

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I didn't like SoJ as much as I wanted to, shame really

But I can atleast say that the Civil Court Room battle between Wright and Apollo was absolutely Kino

>>385095763
>about more gameplay mechanics
More doesn't mean better. Danganronpa has more gameplay than any AA game but pretty much every single gameplay element in it sucks, for example. Mood Matrix is fine, lack of penalties, aside for basically being a more flexible Cross Examination that has room to be messed about with by both sides if the plot allows for it. Apollo's bracelet slowing things down to a crawl and introducing pixel hunting elements, the one part of investigations no one likes, into the rest of the game is not fun though. AAI1's match the word thing didn't really add much of note to the game either. We don't need variety just for the sake of it, just being fun and functional is good enough.

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>>385099013
I think I'd appreciate 4 onwards if they actually tried to make it a separate trilogy. Adding Phoenix to 4 as an ex-DA, then bringing him back as the main character, along with bringing Ema back but as a bitter detective feels more like they're using old characters to play it safe rather than have Apollo Justice stand out as its own thing, and even then, it doesn't work when the entire aspects of the old returning characters change.
Phoenix's story should've been over since 3, by then we learn about one motive for being a DA and being able to change his childhood friend for the better, have him realize that being a DA isn't all that easy and that not everyone he defends will be who he thinks they are, and then resolve an issue he had in the past. Apollo seems to be doing this in DD and SoJ, with having to cope with his friend's death, but with Nick and Athena around a lot of his spotlight gets taken.

>>385094735
If Zak hadn't fired him because of a poker game of all things, Kristoph would have been the lawyer of a really rich and famous guy. He could have earned a lot of money and his reputation would have improved even more, I can see why he was so pissed off.

>>385099149
That was the point where I started wondering if the writers even remembered anything about the older games anymore. The whole point it kept shoving down the player's throat was that adversarial stand-offs like that in court should be avoided. It's outright not even how the courtroom works anyway, it isn't a "fight". Yet SoJ advertised it pre-release as a selling point?

Atishon was funny atleast.

>>385099348
>Apollo seems to be doing this in DD and SoJ, with having to cope with his friend's death, but with Nick and Athena around a lot of his spotlight gets taken.
Apollo doesn't get his spotlight taken, outside of the DLC case he has equal screentime to Phoenix in DD and he's outright the shared protagonist in SoJ. Plenty of of those times Phoenix is nowhere to be seen too (heck see AJ for that despite what people here keep saying, Phoenix was barely in the 2nd and 3rd cases yet people still thought Apollo sucked in said cases). We've had characters with a fraction of the screentime he's gotten who end up fine, people are desperate to think up of excuses for the character just being sort of shit most of the time for reasons I don't understand.

Also Phoenix's story was done at the end of AA1 even. They didn't have AA2 or AA3 in mind when making the first one and you can tell when you finish it.

>>385094647
Are you literally retarded?

Black psyche locks were never explained in AJ. In DD it was explained for Athena as "truth the person is unknowingly hiding".

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>>385094920
>>385094973
>>385095045
>>385095256
>>385096838
>>385097232
IN JUSTICE WE TRUST!

>What's crack-a-lackin', homie?

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>>385100064
That was one of the biggest mind-blowers in the franchise imo, it was really unsettling that Foolbright (the real one) was probably killed over a year before DD, and that the phantom got away with it all. The phantom was definitely an interesting final "boss", and keeping his face an enigma was all the more disturbing.

>>385096316
I hated him at first, but I was genuinely surprised by how honest he was.

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How was this guy that warden-lady's defense attorney in the final case of Ace Investigations II? He was actively against her.

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>>385100469
Well, he's the mastermind after all, why would he defend someone he tries to kill?

>>385097232

As opposed to Gumshoe, who was just all around banal and boring.

If Gumshoe wasn't in the first few games - like his first appearance was Dual Destinies - no one would like him.

>>385100518
>mastermind Shields tears up evidence and eats it
It's so stupid it just might work.

>>385094132
AA7 fucking when?

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>>385100538
They actually made Gumshoe a pitiful character, I mean in the third game doesn't he brag about lighting up his house with candles? He's just that broke despite working under an obscenely rich prosecutor, and only delivers mediocrity despite trying his best (until the AAIs). Even in those games he was working directly with Edgeworth against the precinct's orders too, risking his only source of income to help the rich boy prosecutor he looks up to so highly.

I don't see what's not to like about that.

I want to play the trilogy again should I buy physical copies or get the 3DS version?

>>385100886
Physical copies, unless money is genuinely a problem for you. They're worth it.

>>385100826

I want him to turn up in the next game as Chief of Police. And despite his incredible incompetence he somehow gets shit done better than anyone else.

>Sir, a murder was just reported in the Prosecutor's Office
>Sounds fun! Go solve it, pal. Don't hide any evidence or anything like that though. And if the defense attorney's name is Wright, give him all the info you've got. I'll take the responsibility!
>Crime solved and true criminal convicted in thirty minutes

>>385101145

Okay, physical copies it is. Thanks

>>385100280
I liked the Phantom because how menacing it was. Other villains were all misunderstood type, and they mostly just used sneak attacks to kill their victims. Phantom kills in cold blood and doesn't afraid of anything.
Only Gant came close to that level previously.

>>385100280
I liked the idea but the final confrontation was way too goofy for a final boss

Is Phoenix Wright Contempt of Court any good ? Finished Conflict of Interest recently loved it. I saw that Contempt of Court was praised, even better than CoI but I'm currently playing it's the first case and the only word that comes to mind is : garbage.

I don't even know how or when to start. Is this why AA fangames are generally discarded here ? Turnabout Scapegoat is fucking retarded. The art made you think that would be good but I can't find the courage to continue when it's so bad

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>>385101170
He's not that incompetent, not even in the first game. He's shown to be exceedingly loyal and on point when push comes to shove.

That said, AAI3, if that ever exists, could be set around DD times and have him happily married with Maggey and him having a good career and being the victim of case 1

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>>385101170
Let's be realistic here. The only way Gumshoe can turn up in the next game is as a victim.

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Any news on if the next game will be on the Switch or not?

I don't get how anyone can hate Kristoph's motive, it's so autistic that it's beautiful.

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>>385096413
This man above all.

>>385096413

I think Klavier is a shit prosecutor too, but how can you put Nahyuta above anyone?

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>>385094920
>end DD with a cliffhanger where he gets shot by an unseen sniper
>SoJ completely ignores everything about it

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>>385105320
Well, the case's been solved. It's the counterintelligence job now. Wright has nothing to do with it anymore.

What's the consensus on Dai Gyakuten Saiban? Considering I really liked SoJ and the first trilogy while not caring all that much about AJ and DD. Should I wait to buy that when it's localized or just get the Edgeworth games? I literally just played all six in a row.

>>385105583
Play the first Edgeworth game, get the fan-translation for the second, and watch the translated DGS playthrough since it's never-ever-ever getting localized.

>>385105583
>Considering I really liked SoJ and the first trilogy while not caring all that much about AJ and DD.
This doesn't make any sense.
Anyway, just play the Edgeworth's games.
>when it's localzied
You mean IF. If it's localized. Which it won't.

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>>385105838
I liked them but not nearly as much as the others, that's what I meant. AJ was better than DD though.
>>385105804
Why wouldn't Capcom localize a popular installment? Do they hate money?
Edgeworth it is then.

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>>385105320
it wasn't a cliffhanger at all

>>385105583
Go for AAI1 and 2 (fan translation, but god tier), yeah. Don't hold your breath for DGS, unless you can read Jap.

>>385106029
To put it into context, DGS' SEQUEL is coming out August third. Capcom is just flat-out not interested in localizing the DGS games.

Best theme coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNkA6jnisf0

>>385103659
I'd like to think so. Seeing AA in HD and a good budget would be a sight to see.