ITT: Game series that got worse with each release. Pic related.

it's kind of a toss-up for me between 999 and VLR, i liked them both equally

ZTD sucked ass for sure, though

File: 150056135.jpg (17KB, 236x214px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 236x214px

>>385088132
Let's get the obvious one out of the way

File: 670px-0,1920,0,1198-TZ7EgWK.jpg (53KB, 577x360px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 577x360px

>>385088132

I liked VLR better.

>>385088671
Isn't Sonic 2 objectively better than the first game?

>>385088671
>implying that sonic 06 is better than generations, colors or lost world

>>385089060
I assume they just mean the Sonic Adventure series. Which is wrong because 2 is better, like >>385088918 said. And VLR is better than 999 so really we've just got a 2 > 1 > 3 pattern.

>>385088869
>sterile atmosphere compared to the first one
>worse cast
>worse voice acting
>took a big dump on the art style
>too many decisions that didn't really matter
>useless plot twists
>story wrote checks that ZTD couldn't possibly cash
>Dio

The game sucked compared to the first one.

>>385088190
Just finished VLR and started ZTD. 999 2d sprites were the best, I dont understand why they went form 3d, specially when the faces got so expresionless

File: 1470112566757.jpg (76KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 400x400px

>>385089230
>worse voice acting
Did you just get into the series with the Steam release or something?

>>385089230
>>worse voice acting
Oh look, someone who played the series after it got re-released and updated.

>>385089373
>>385089481

Don't own any consoles, sorry. Are there any major differences between the versions? Seems kinda silly to me.

My other points still stand.

>>385089594
The fact 999 originally had no voice acting.

>>385088918
That's not classic sonic
>>385089198
>Which is wrong because 2 is better
>introduced the concept of edgelords
>ruined mech levels and tails
>nerfed the emerald radar
Remind me why SA2 is better.

>>385089271

3d models are just cheaper to make and animate

at least VLR's models were passable. ZTD is just a whole 'nother level of ugly and the animations are super poor

>>385090017
>at least VLR's models were passable
Say what? Bright colours, bright pink mouths. ZTD models were a league above VLR's.

>>385089373
>>385089481
His points still stand, or are you just gonna focus on his VA comment and ignore the rest?

File: 1471846804557.png (166KB, 800x400px) Image search: [Google]

166KB, 800x400px

>>385089594
So I know of at least two differences. No voice acting is of course the first one. Second, and way more significant, is that fact that the original release of 999 had no flow diagram. That was first introduced in VLR. So in 999 if you wanted to play through the game again (and you HAD to to get the true ending, multiple times) you had to play through the entire game again. You could speed through (some) of the text you had already read but you were still required to solve all of the puzzles in their entirety again if necessary in that route and unless you were referencing a guide you were going to end up playing the game quite a few times and probably getting lost. That was awful. I think they might have touched up the sprites a bit but that should about cover it.

>>385090017
>>385090081
Not to mention the PS4 release (don't know why that's a thing) has actual shadows now, which helps them look way better.

>>385090112
I was busy typing, faggot.

>>385090139
>(don't know why that's a thing)
Just so they could have the whole series on each platform that had ZTD released on it.
Except 3DS, but they can play DS carts on it anyways

>>385090139
Having to play the entirety of 999 over and over again to get the real ending sounds like hell. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>385089594
The Nonary Games version adjusts the game for a single screen.

You'll remember the "Akane Vision" twist, where it's revealed you were actually Akane the entire time witnessing the future.

On DS, Junpei's perspective is represented on the top screen (the novel sections you have no control over) and Akane's perspective is the bottom screen (the third-person descriptions of scenes and where you interact with puzzles or deciding doors).

It was a twist engineered around a twin screen setup, including the final puzzle, wherein you finally play as Junpei by turning the DS upside down.

It's unavoidable on a single screen, but regardless it ruined the twist and the twist itself makes less sense, since both perspectives share the same screen and you can just turn off Novel Mode until it forces you to see it as Akane Vision.

The final puzzle is also infinitely worse.
On DS, it's a sudoku. Y'know, the puzzle completely based around 9? Which is also difficult?

The Nonary Games final puzzle is fuckin'... what the fuck is that

>>385090610
It honestly wasn't that bad.

Once you know the puzzles it only takes a couple of minutes.

>>385088819
Yup.

File: cK2eFWjU4pNG7HcBdoVMLX.jpg (444KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

444KB, 1920x1080px

Pic related.
The first one was one of my favorite games of all time, but it turned to shit from gears 3 onward.

File: Final Puzzle.jpg (148KB, 480x640px) Image search: [Google]

148KB, 480x640px

>>385090610
Yeah, I agree with some of the points you made and am indifferent about others but man, moving from 999 to VLR and having that flow diagram along with voice acting and cutscenes was like a breath of fresh air. I think I had a much more positive feeling while playing as a result which tints my opinion of the game itself. Since you played 999 with most of those improvements I can understand liking it better. Story-wise it's certainly tighter. Originally it was just going to be one game rather than a trilogy and they decided after the fact that they wanted to make more. Credit where credit's due, they did a pretty good job of not making the other games feel as tacked on as you would expect for such a late decision. For example, I think one of the books in 999's library mentions something about a rabbit on the moon. They might have mentioned the Chinese room too, but I don't remembered.

Oh, wait, I remembered one more difference. In the original 999 the final puzzle was literally just a Sudoku puzzle. For a final puzzle that's pretty silly even if it makes sense but what was particularly cool about it was its use of the DS. I was going to write more but >>385090968 posted before me.

>>385090968
What was the final puzzle in the re-release anyway? I'd really like to hear about how stupid it is because you're not the first to shit on it.

>>385091286
Look at this garbage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR-w9I7V0bI

>>385091514
Wow, what the fuck? That is garbage. I mean at least Sudoku is fun.

>>385090968
Am I a bad person for emulating the game and having this entire twist fly over my head as well as look up the solution?
;_;

>>385091514
Wait. Junpei vision? Does the game straight up say akane vision too?
Wtf

>>385088132
VLR was the pinnacle of the series though.

>>385092125
Yeah. It's Adventure (Junpei) Mode and Novel (Akane) Mode until the very end when the twist is revealed.

But Nonary Games lets you turn off Novel Mode
So you can play the entire game without Akane's perspective until the game abruptly forces it on you to make sure you get the twist.

It's sloppy as fuck.

File: Mastermind.jpg (120KB, 978x768px) Image search: [Google]

120KB, 978x768px

>>385092087
>Am I a bad person for emulating the game and having this entire twist fly over my head
Nah, I emulated it too.

>as well as look up the solution?
You're burning in hell, dickmunch.

>>385092215
This is the first time I've actually looked into the remake cause I assumed it would shit on 999 cause no two screens but fucking hell they've right screwed it

File: image.jpg (108KB, 486x365px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 486x365px

>>385088132
Not even joking

File: SUDOKU IS NOT HARD.png (574KB, 493x512px) Image search: [Google]

574KB, 493x512px

>>385090968
Here, I made this for you.

>>385092943
Really? 64 had some really powerful sound effects and stuff but trying to play it now? It's garbage. At least Melee still holds up if someone were to go back and try it now for the first time.

>>385093107
Thanks, please use the morphogenetic field to send this to the me of 7 years ago who was playing this for the first time.

>>385092943
I'd agree with this, personally. I had a lot of fun on the N64 version, didn't care for the gamecube version, and just stopped after that.

>>385088819
Shit really? The first one was fun but a bit of a letdown since Junko is an absolutely fucking garbage antagonist but it just gets worse?

>>385092943
Smash doesn't get progressively worse it kind of goes up and down.

>>385088819
How much heroin do you do and who's your dealer, cause you seem fucked in the head bucko

>>385093349
Not that anon, but I agree that DR2 is weaker

Spoilers
DR2 is a virtual simulation
Junko brainwashed the entire cast into being Ultimate Despairs and the sim is an un-brainwashing program
But it was all a ruse because you plugged in a Junko Alter Ego before entering the sim so she could overwrite her personality into all of the Despairs
Halfway through the game they remark about how the murders are following similar patterns to Killing School Life but this literally means nothing and is dropped immediately.

The plot plods along real shit-like until the last two chapters, where it just goes bonkers.

The characters are worse. Half of them are completely one-dimensional with really annoying "traits," like the one that literally always yells and the one that's always crying and the one that never stops forcing innuendos and the one that is always fawning over one of the girls and the one that's basically MySpace scene girl: I really wish this stayed in the past edition.

The solutions in the trials are more obtuse, on a couple of occasions even when I figured out what the game wanted me to do, I didn't really understand how they expected me to piece it together, or why that was the next logical step to the writers.

There are new minigames in the trials and all of them are shitty. Including the "Improved'' Hangman's Gambit that isn't improved at all.

There's also a V-pet thing in the menu that's just kind of dumb. And a minigame in the main menu that controls like fucking garbage.

I honestly don't know how people thought DR2 was better than DR1.

>>385088132
That's not really a good representation of your criteria, despite being TECHNICALLY correct.

999 is a 9/9 game.
VLR is a 9/10 game.
ZTD is un-ironically less worth your time than Superman 64.

>>385094197
That sounds like an extremely trash game, I really only enjoyed the first from a case by case basis and thought the overarching plot was stupid, they set something interesting up but as the game went on it was clear there wasnt going to be any good solution. The second game looked like it dialed that up even farther

File: 1468289949805.jpg (291KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

291KB, 1920x1080px

>>385094486
>ZTD is un-ironically less worth your time than Superman 64.
A smart person says this ironically. A complete fucking retard says this unironically.

>>385093246
I can't really have as much fun with melee due to the high skill ceiling. Everyone I know that actually wants to play it always goes full 20XX on me and I either play one of the top characters,in my case falcon,or get bodied for choosing someone I actually like using like luigi.

>>385094535
At least be happy that as much trash as it is, it doesn't sink to below rock-bottom depths like ZTD did.

Zero Escape definitely has stronger games and stories than Dongo Bongo's has, but at least DangGrampa never fucking shits it's pants and THEN wears the shit pants on it's head like Zero Escape ended up doing.

File: 1499968074244.png (2MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1920x1080px

>>385094584
Enlighten us, I'm afraid it was just a little too complex for my standards.

>>385094535
Oh by the way, honestly I don't care about spoiling this part for you because it would probably be more upsetting if you played the game for 20 hours and then found out

Basically everyone decides to sacrifice themselves to save the world, there is explicitly stated no chance of survival because computers don't work like that
But they all survive because of HOPE

That's it.

File: 1381337269259.png (92KB, 240x240px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 240x240px

>>385094681
>at least DangGrampa never fucking shits it's pants and THEN wears the shit pants on it's head like Zero Escape ended up doing.
>He hasn't played V3 yet

>>385094681
I enjoyed ZTD, but only because of the sheer stupidity, at the very least, since it was supposed to unironically be a series end to 2 games worth of buildup. I will be able to look at DR2 and say it isnt wasting potential, because the bed was shit by the end of the first game, which had a fair bit of potential but not nearly enough, especially when you compare fucking omnipresent obnoxious monokuma to an actual real threat and mastermind like any of the Zeros. I will still definitely give DR2 a shot, maybe the cases will be enjoyable still

That said just because I enjoyed ZTD doesnt mean id call it good, it was amusing for all the wrong reasons, most of which being memes and a total shitshow

>>385094681
>it doesn't sink to below rock-bottom depths like ZTD did.

>He doesn't know

File: 1468295028786.gif (3MB, 320x179px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 320x179px

>>385094718
It's a puzzle series. The story could be some End of Evangelion shit but as long as the puzzles exist and work it's 1000x better than Superman 64. That's not something you joke about, sonny.

>>385094797
>V3
That's just it wearing it's pants on it's head.

ZTD legitimately introduced aliens out of fucking nowhere.

>>385094914
Too bad all the puzzles in the last game were shit, AND that it has the fewest actual puzzles in the series.

Superman 64 multiplayer is hilarious. ZTD is a waste of your time no matter what you're doing.

>>385094918
How dare this series about time traveling consciousnesses introduce alien technology that basically does the same thing

>>385094918
MMM
TERMITES

File: 1468172023268.jpg (69KB, 500x477px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 500x477px

>>385095031

>>385094857
V3's release didn't end up producing ~50 threads of memes in the first week of it's release.

Fuck, Danganrompa is more popular than Zero Escape with normies, and even V3 wasn't even shit enough for reddit to make it's own subreddit dedicated to how shit that single game was.

>>385095127
>V3's release didn't end up producing ~50 threads of memes in the first week of it's release.
Wait for the localization to drop bucko

File: can.jpg (6KB, 258x196px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 258x196px

>>385095127
Because it isn't out in english yet. Normies can't learn Japanese. I'm ready for the broken hearts of tween girls and reddit.

>>385095127
for real lmao

I remember how everyone was angry as fuck when that streamer got to the last chapter of V3, I want to see the huge shit that V3 will make once it comes out ( I hope )

>>385095259
>he goes to reddit
Stay there subnormal trash faggot

>>385095259
>>385095179
>>385095127
>>385094918
>>385094857
>>385094856
>>385094797
>>385094681

It really says something about these game series where die-hard fans argue about how the last game in their own series is more shit than the other series.

Anyone else feel that Kodaka and Uchikoshi just had a bet about who could shit the bed harder with their last game? They're drinking buddies after all, and they're both big enough hacks that I could definitely see it.

File: Heknows.png (791KB, 851x477px) Image search: [Google]

791KB, 851x477px

>>385095629
Funny to think about, but probably not. Uchikoshi get's genuinely upset if you ask about the unanswered stuff from vlr, even if you do it politely as you can, and blocks criticism about ztd. They both thought what they made was good and don't want to hear otherwise.

>>385095629
Maybe they got blackout drunk one night and exchanged story notes on accident so VLR and DR2 got mixed up and ZTD and V3 got mixed up

>>385088132
999 was never that good in the first place.
Like seriously, go and fucking replay it right now. It's just a solid 7/10 game
Same goes for VLR

is the last chapter of V3 really that bad?

for what it's worth i really didn't like any of the final cases in either DR1 or 2. it goes from solving ridiculous crimes to typical anime bullshitery IM GOING TO SHOOT MY FRIENDS WITH HOPE BULLETS AND BEAT DESPAIR WITH THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP

>>385095984
IF WE HOPE HARD ENOUGH WE WILL LIVE THROUGH AN INESCAPABLE DEATH

S...
SOMEHOW

>>385088819
>first case has the victim write the killer's name in blood
>every character is retarded and thinks it's some kind of code

literally bioshock infinite tier difficulty cases in this one

File: 1469415942368.png (220KB, 800x991px) Image search: [Google]

220KB, 800x991px

Did any of you guys watch Punch-line, the Anime?

>>385096171

it sucks and Uchikoshi tried way too hard to make it C O M P L E X and instead got something that was fucking retarded

>>385096141
To be fair, it's a Japanese game and all the characters are Japanese.

She wrote "LEON" in English.

>>385095984
It's pretty bad. I feel the ZE crowd thinks theirs is worse just due to how much further and faster their series fell from greatness, but V3 is just as bad as ZE's complex alien robot hacks.

>>385096392
spoil it anon

>>385090968
Fucking hell, and I thought The Nonary Games was perfect to get into the series, the twist flew completely over my head and the final puzzle was a complete mess, at least the voice acting was dope. Should I play the DS version of 999 despite finishing all endings already?

>>385097881
I don't know if you'll get anything out of it, already knowing the twist.

mite b cool to see the differences yourself (personally I prefer the sprites to the illustrations) but I don't think it's necessary.

>>385097881
It's probably not worth it but if you're really that interested then I see no reason to stop you. You could emulate it if you don't want to pay for another copy and that'll also help you speed past any parts you'd be forced to replay.

>>385094914
Funny you say that, because ZTD's puzzles were complete fucking shit on top of that.
>fit all these blocks together
>match all the shapes together
>an entire fucking room dedicated to sliding puzzles
>no final room or final puzzle at all
The only remotely good puzzles was alien war, but that can be brute-forced easily if you aren't retarded.

>>385097963
>>385098051
Thanks anons, I think I'll watch the twist on Youtube instead of playing the DS version all over again. I have other question though, is VLR from The Nonary Games very different compared to the first releases of it? Wanna make sure I don't end missing so much.

>>385098250
VLR is untouched.

It was a dual release on 3DS and Vita so there were no gimmicks like in 999.

>>385098250
The Nonary Games version of vlr is supposedly the best. The 3ds version has a gamebreaking glitch if you save in a certain puzzle room (PEC room or something I forgot) that fucks up your save and the UI is kinda shit. Vita has better graphics and no glitch.

>>385098358
>>385098445
Alright, I'm hyped up to try it soon because I loved 999's story so much, thanks a lot.

>>385098582
Have fun and remember not to play the third one

>>385099180
If he doesn't play ZTD then VLR is nothing but a 40-hour cocktease.

File: Ghost Trick.png (531KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

531KB, 1920x1080px

>>385098582
>>385099180
No.
Have fun and play the third one anyway since at the end of the day it's still the third and final game in a trilogy. Plus you bought it. Might as well play it. There's a certain section in there that I actually really liked involving Akane, Junpei, and Carlos so the real shame is that the whole game wasn't that cool.

>>385098843

why was this the only game with the other characters talking over it? i really liked Phi and Sigma arguing over it 'fuCKing puSH the buTTON dIANA'

>>385092943
first two were art, third one had some cool ideas but the art style let it down
we do not speak of the other ones

File: 1500973289088.jpg (80KB, 1333x900px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 1333x900px

>>385099306
JUST MAKE UP AN ENDING YOURSELF
ANYTHING, LITERALLY ANYTHING, WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE OFFICIAL THING

>>385099651
If you don't play ZTD then the memes don't make any sense. And that's about 90% of the fun right there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU