I have a linguistics quiz for you, /v/. A-kun doesn't understand

No, you can't really learn anything more than a few words from doing this, and only if you are intentionally paying attention.

However, 7 years of studying Japanese intentionally with proven methods would be enough to reasonably become passable at understanding, reading and to a lesser extent, writing and speaking Japanese.

>only hearing and never responding or receiving recognition for your responses
Niet

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日本語を勉強する

>>385085407
>Is A-kun able to understand Japanese now?
Depends on how much of Japanese you expect him to know. He should have learned a lot of it

10000 hours of anime is better though

>A-kun doesn't know how to play piano
>A-kun listens to 10000 hours of music while looking at the accompanying sheet music
>4 hours a day for roughly 7 years
>is A-kun able to play a piano?
The real question is why are you so fucking dumb?

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>>385085407
Go ask /djt/ and maybe I'll retell my story of learning from anime

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I want Aoba to sit on my face

>>385085407
A-kun's mistake was that they didn't watch enough subbed anime.

>>385085407
at least learn grammar first, then you can pick up vocabulary slowly by pausing and repeating stuff

i forgot to mention this only works in anime
then when you go to your anime mecca people will make fun of you because you sound like an anime character

>>385085407
That's not how it works. Ever.

>>385085407
Nope, I've been watching anime/playing games like that for about 15 years now. On top of that, I play JP text games from dlsite as well. Just because you mess around with them doesn't make them any less moonrune unless you actually try to learn it.

>>385085407
why the fuck are you posting about some cunt on facebook

i know how to say baka does that count as knowing japanese

>>385086185
I want to smell her armpits.

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>>385086301
>>385085993
What if I do this but with subbed Kamen Rider instead of Anime? Men in suits doing sfx attacks at each other has supplanted my anime watching for the last few years.

>>385085407
No. Are you stupid? Yes.

in the context of understanding games, probably

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What's this man saying? Should I let him in?

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>>385087206
did someone steal his voice? he is speaking weird symbols

>>385087206
He just wants to check some meters, let him in

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>>385087516
>>385087630
He seems alright. I'll let him in.

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>>385085407
どのような質問ですか?
彼はしません。 日本語はそれほど簡単ではありません。
彼は話す前に読むことを学ぶ必要がある。

>>385085407
No. That's not how language acquisition works.

>>385087826
Nice google translate

>>385087826
That's awful. Go back to Japanese 101

>>385086185
I want to hold her hand

>>385087874
Listening to the language while having something (english subs) telling you what is being said does work. It takes longer than actually studying but it does work

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it makes it easier to actually learn from that point on, being already familiar with the sound, and phonetics of the language. As kids we learn the basics of our mother tongue just by listening to those around us.

listening to 10,000 hours of classical music won't make you a maestro, but it will make the practice to it all the easier

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Aw fuck. I can't believe you've done this.

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お帰りなさいませ、ご主人様!

i only know this one phrase

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>>385088142
DO. NOT. START. THAT.

>>385088142
It was an accident, he lost his balance temporarily and reactionary moved his hand

>>385087826
>どのような質問ですか
どんな質問ですか。

>彼はしません。 日本語はそれほど簡単ではありません。
彼は出来ません。日本語はそんなに簡単ではありません。

>彼は話す前に読むことを学ぶ必要がある。
話せる前に、日本語の読み方を勉強しなければなりません。

Apply yourself

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>>385085407
I learned English mostly by playing video games with English voices and subtitles in my language. Then I learned the rest from going online and trying to talk to people.
I was always way ahead of my peers in school in English and by age 16 I had the Proficiency 2 level exam thingy done. I never went to a language academy or opened a book.

I don't see how if I had done it for Japanese the same wouldn't have happened, though I suspect I still wouldn't know how to write or read any of the three squid scribbles Japanese has.

>>385088418
You are bad too

>>385085407
No, but there is one benefit: he can actually hear the gaps between words. When people who don't know a language hear it spoken, their brains don't know when to insert the pauses.

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>>385085407
No, if you're not actively listening and trying, you won't learn but a handful of words like Dostedt.

If you play/watch 10,000 hours of japanese games/anime without english translations and actively look things up, maybe.

>>385085407
aoba's aobas

based uni bro telling us how it is

>>385088505
t. >>385087826

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>>385088728
Go back to grinding anki

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>>385085407
He'll have a decent grasp on it.

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learn this.

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>>385085662
>Niet

>>385085407

NO!

>>385085407
If A-kun did this between the ages of 5 to 12 and skipped the subtitles then yes, he would undestand moonspeak now.

>>385088505
>it's worse
>gives no critique

Whatever you say EOPfag

>>385089085
Go ask /djt/, I'm not here to teach you

>>385085993
no one has ever gone there.

>>385088418
>tries to fix things that don't need fixing
It's pretty embarrassing when I'm better at moon despite having studied absolutely nothing except kana.

>>385088321
Yes and so was tying her up. He didn't want her to panic.
Same thing about stripping her. He didnt want her to feel flustered.
Same thing about him stripping. He was gettting hot.
Same thing about him sticking it in the jk. He tripped.

>>385086597
high

>>385089285
>/djt/

It makes sense now

>>385088885
First 10 are numbers. I did good?

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>>385085407
Gee I don't know, is A-kun able to distinguish between meaningful performance despite not being fluent in a foreign language? Is A-kun able to identify awful voice acting in their own native language? Is A-kun watching 10000 hours of Japanese for a reason?

Fucking idiot.

>>385089672
Well they are around your level so you should fit right in

>>385086301
If your attractive and rich, you'll be extrinsic.

>>385089605
>better at moon
>only know kana

Are Japanese learners the most pretentious language learning faggots? Jesus fucking christ

>>385089916
He is correct about fixing things that don't need fixing though

>>385089916
Well then that guy applies as well.

Shit like >>385089869 is elitist autism, trying to play yourself off as hot shit for understanding a language better than someone else. Of all the languages I've studied, Japanese has the most of this 'I'm not here to teach you x' 'you're shit because you don't know x' crowd.

>>385090461
meant to quote
>>385090068

>>385085407
うわぁーまだ日本語知らない人いるの?遅れてるね
>>385085663
>>385087826
>>385088418
機械翻訳だなこれ

>>385090461
How is that elitist autism? It's clearly just shitting on the guy who is shitting on /djt/ for no reason

>>385085407
>A-kun played 10000 hours worth of Japanese games with Japanese audio using English subtitles

Even accounting for anime watched, this is still an incredibly overestimation of the crushing majority of consumers of japanese media.

>>385089916
I'm just laughing at a person who fails at correcting someone while trying to come across good.

>>385090983
Not >>385089916, but how do you know it failed? Not even shitposting, honest question. How can you read it if you don't know kanji?

>>385087826
Im gonna guess on what you're trying to say
>どのような質問ですか?
それはどういう質問ですか?
>彼はしません。 日本語はそれほど簡単ではありません。
彼は日本語を分かっていない。 日本語はそれほど簡単ではありません。
>彼は話す前に読むことを学ぶ必要がある
彼は日本語を話せる前に読み書きを学ぶ必要がある。
Is that what you meant to say?

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>>385085407

no cause the translation reorganizes what is being said so he cant exactly speak or understand it, but he can pick up phrases and say phrases back.

basically once he has to run into a fluently speaking japanese person who doesnt use any common phrases hes heard before, he will immediately be stumped.

its kinda like how you understand kimochi or kawaii but that doesnt mean you can understand all japanese.

english is more straight forward. You can watch our cartoons and play games with subtitles and quickly pick that shit up. Even if you cant contruct sentences perfectly, you can still speak english cause it just works. It can be mangled and bastardized and work.

But fucking other languages need you to be fucking exact.

>>385091403
I do know some kanji that I've picked up from a few sources, but what I laughed at was in kana anyway. There's always rikaichan for kanji too.

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寂莫たるこの風景の間隙にこの躰を介いて
表現はしがたい哀愁に沈み
嗚呼 なにゆゑに心忙かれる
閃めく星の怕きゆゑ與
己が内心に愴えたの與

>>385091973
First you learn specific words that are being said on their own, shit like kawaii. Then you start learning other words used in sentences along with the words you know. Then you just repeat this until you learn the language. This is literally how babies learn languages

>But fucking other languages need you to be fucking exact.
Not true. Just stringing words together will make sense most of the time

>>385092294
今時誰もこういう風に話さないよ。

>>385088501
same, learned English watching tranformers, voltron, the real ghostbusters all in English, no subs, ocationally asking my father what x meant.

you learn quite better and faster at a very young age , for example 8 years old

>>385092842
>you learn quite better and faster at a very young age , for example 8 years old
This is a meme.

>>385093006
nope, I 'm living proof of it.

>>385085407
No. You can't learn a language without speaking it. You need to converse with real human beings.

>>385093195
Nope. If you spent the same time now watching shit in Japanese (for example), trying to understand what it means, and having somebody to ask questions to, as you did when you were a child, you'd end up learning it just as you learned English. Obviously, you spend your time doing other things as an adult, such as posting linguistic broscience on /v/. The ability to learn things does not magically wane as you grow up.

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>>385085407
That girl is really cute.
I want to fuck her.

>>385086924
Anon-san, why do you talk like a character my 6 year old would watch?

Literally no different from 'learning from anime' not that you actually can learn anything but a few words through such methods.

>Men in suits doing sfx attacks
Don't fool yourself, the only special effects in Rider these days are the suits themselves. CG is not a special effect. And SFX means sound effects, anyway.

>>385093490
Nah, there's still a tiny bit of wirework and those tiny fireworks they put on the suits to add sparks to attacks.

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>>385090635
Stop using fancy kanji

:(

>>385093737
精精中一レベルの漢字だよ。

>>385093406
AOBA SAN IS NOT FOR THAT!!!

>>385093890

Sperm level inside one... What?

>>385094212
you're mixing up 精液 and 精精, stop reading so many doujins
also I'm not sure if they teach you this in your weird nip learning websites, but if you see 小 or 中 or 高 followed by a number, it's probably a school grade (class, not score)
ex: 中一is middle school first grade, 中二 is middle school 2nd grade and so on.

>>385092294
I can't read this.

>>385085407
No.
>Subtitles can be inconsistent
>Certain, vital material for day to day existence is not frequently communicated in video games
>VA work, whether Jap, Burger, Spangland, or wherever, is not ordinary speech, and is frequently stylized
>He knows very little for certain, and has to guess most of it.
>He is hearing only sounds, with no understanding of what these sounds are or represent, or the environments that they exist in
>Unless anon has a backing in linguistics, he is unlikely to have the mental tools to compile and sort this information into usable tidbits on his own, and can only repeat sounds

He probably does have an ear for certain words or phrases, and might even have a nice vocabulary, but he likely has only minimal understanding of sentence structure and grammar. If you dropped him into Japan tomorrow, he could probably communicate his needs enough to get help, but not enough to actually have conversations with people.
And this is assuming he doesn't sound like a complete freak because he's using a character for his vocal standard that is absolutely not the sort of person you would run into in real life.

If anon were a year old, this would still not work, since tests have proven that infants do not pick up languages they only hear. Language immersion requires actual human contact to work in the absence of the sort of technical training to work around it.
Hearing sounds is not enough, and it has even been hypothesized that "language" learned in this way is not treated as language by the brain, but as song.

>>385085407
You literally just said "A-kun" doesn't understand japanese, so no, they don't understand japanese.

>>385092418
>people who aren't bilingual talking about learning a language
Good luck figuring out idioms just by watching subbed anime you fucking retards. This isn't how it works.

これ>>385087826間違っているって指摘されているけど日本人の俺には普通に通じるぞ?

>>385095054
意味が通じても違和感がある。

>>385085518

I would say "anything more than a few words" is an understatement. I have played a lot less hours of animu and subtitled vidya than that and I have a very rough grasp of some basic vocabulary and syntax.

also the US state department estimates 88 weeks of study to learn Japanese, so I'd say your seven years estimate is way too high.

>>385094385
>stop reading so many doujins
Why else would you learn japanese?

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>>385094623

>>385095202
まぁ確かに違和感があるのは否めないが言葉なんて意味が伝わりゃそれでいいんだよ(ヽ´ω`)

HEY FAGGOTS READ THE RULES FOREIGN LANGUAGE THREADS GO TO /int/ NOT /v/

>>385094853

also this anon solved the riddle

Post more of that cutie OP

>>385094751
>Subtitles can be inconsistent
With a large amount of content consumed, this isn't really an issue. While subs can be inconsistent at times, it is rare that they're all inconsistent in the same way, so what 1% of the content fails at teaching you, the 99% will make up for it.
>Certain, vital material for day to day existence is not frequently communicated in video games
Really depends on the variety of content you consume. If you throw in VNs and anime to the mix, you should be learning the essential stuff pretty well.
>He knows very little for certain, and has to guess most of it.
Yes, but repetition turns the guessing into fairly certain knowledge.
>He is hearing only sounds, with no understanding of what these sounds are or represent, or the environments that they exist in
You're not listening to an audiobook though. Video games are visual media.

The main point here is what is defined as understanding a language. If you simply watch a lot of anime and play games with japanese audio, you can develop really good listening comprehension for the language, but going farther than that with no additional practice would be quite difficult. After spending thousands of hours on anime, I can watch a lot of anime and other tv shows raw, while understanding most of it. You pick up grammatical structures too. Obviously, I still run into words I don't know, that I either need to guess from the context (fairly accurately) or look up. On the other hand, actually writing or speaking Japanese is basically impossible for me. Even reading is more difficult than listening for me, not because of kanji or anything, but because I understand a word more easily if I hear it than if I read it. This is why I often need to read things out loud to understand them.

I learned English entirely from watching movies and playing vidya but I guess that's because kids learn that kind of shit better (apparently their brains are more malleable or something). If only I was also a weeaboo as a kid, I could perhaps know three languages now.

Post more lewd Aoba.

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>>385095882
No

>>385085518
>studying Japanese
>not just getting in amongst it in Japanese bars
You can get fluent in 6months doing this. Just use it and you git gud at it.

>>385089631
>jk
princessbride.jpg

日本語勉強にとても難しです

>>385096317
意味が分からん

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>>385085407

I wouldn't normally respond to threads like these but if you actually think spending all that time to "learn" Japanese through your little games because you're a fucking anime-obsessed pedophilic weaboo than you should unironically cap yourself. I bet if it wasn't for the moeshit trash that your cheeto-eating ass watches you wouldn't give a rat's ass about Japan at all.

Fuck you.

>>385095975
Who would play that game?

>>385096775
who hurt you anon? why do you feel like what other people do makes what you've studied and learned illegitimate?

>>385096775
Wait you didn't finish your sentence. If you actually think spending all that time learning Japanese... what?

>>385087206
Ahsumimasen

Holy fuck I read that instsntly without thinking, it's been a couple of days since I started hiragana.

>>385097056
kys

正直、日本語を習うのは時間の無駄だ。学習の結果は入れられた努力よりも多かれ少なかれいっそう悪い。日本人の彼女がいなければ、もしくは日本に住まなければ、日本語の勉強はめんどくせー。

So how long have you been learning Japanese? Are you satisfied with your progress so far?

>>385098597
>Took some classes a while back. Was doing pretty good, but it was hard
>Scheduling conflicts mean it's been almost 2 years since I've been in a class with it, and have had only minor use of it since then
>I'm jumping into Japanese 3 in a month
I've been remediating over the past couple moths, but I feel like I'm not as good as I was two years ago.
How fucked am I, lads?

>>385098453
でもお前日本人じゃん

>>385085407
It depends on if he had a mind to pick it up while doing it.

>>385099139
教えて、アノンさん:なんで日本語を勉強してきた?

明らかに、アメリカで日本語は随分と変なことのイメージがあるの?その反面に、日本語に比べ、英語とかスペイン語とかがもっと有用だ。

It's always pathetic reading non-native's Japanese. They try to hard to make it look natural, but it just looks embarrassing. You can call it "practice", but you just look like a faggot. Go lurk Japanese image boards and social media for a few years before making a fool of yourself here.

>>385098805
Not much. Try to use the language as much as possible, spoken word is critical to mastering a language.

Best thing you can do is find a buddy who wants to learn English and is fluent Japanese, learn to communicate in both languages, it's a win-win.

>>385101230
>don't try using these linguistic patterns that natives use all the time you'll look like a faggot

You must be awful at learning languages

>>385101230
>not liking faggots

What are you anon, gay?

>>385101463
>don't try using these linguistic patterns that I think natives use all the time without a native to keep you in check, you'll look like a faggot

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>>385085407
Depends if they learnt or not.
I could play pokemon 100 times in Thai, but not speak or understand Thai.
I just played the game using the mechanics I already know.
They played the games using the English they know, not japanese.

That said Japanese isn't hard.

>>385101230
Futaba is so fucking slow though, and 2ch is all shitposting. Got some recommendations?