"Y'all mind if I ruin the video game scene real quick?"

How exactly is this not an improvement from cowadooty?

fucking contrarian faggots I swear to god

>>385070925
>hey guys were were making quake but we realised that overwatch is way more popular so we're going to make all the abilities on cooldowns and have shit balance and competitive matchmaking

>>385070925
Funny thing is Cod takes more skill to play.

>>385071138
quake live already shit the bed well before OW came along

>people don't think this is true when we've had companies copying popular game ideas since pong


we're going to have like 5 more years of overwatch clones. we haven't even seen dusk yet the nightmare hasn't even begun.

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>>385071434
Just fucking kill me dude

>>385071282
That's a non argument, because you can't measure how much "skill" something takes.

Which, of course, won't even slow /v/ down, as it tramples over itself like a Black Friday sale to hate things.

>>385071809
Err yes you can quake required more skill to play than Overshit

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>>385072024
And at the end of the day, you're still playing a fucking video game. I will never understand people who try to assert superiority based on their fucking entertainment tastes.

>>385072289
Not him, but I don't care what other people play. Not until, let's say Monster Hunter turns into a casual game due to high demand. Then I'd be fucking pissed.

>>385070925
>he thinks cod is relevant multiplayer fps
its still 10 times better than your unskilled shitty """"""game""""""

But I thought Overwatch was dead according to /v/?

>>385072289
Quake requires some top skills you don't have. Its because you are a lethargic brainlet thats why you "dun get it"

>>385070802
I don't get the hate for this game. If you don't like it, play another fps instead of bitching about it on a meme forum. Good fps games did not cease to exist when overwatch was released.

>>385073875
sets a bad trend, which it did, cheap shitty low cieling/roof games with no effort from their devs

>>385072602
Twenty Five million players and still growing. It's the game of the decade and a cultural force we haven't seen since Mario or Doom.

>>385072289
It gets extremely irritating when you get dove on by two characters whose only job is to hold a mouse button while being as effective as a character that needs to aim. The way OW works right now, yes, cowadudy takes more skills because everyone has to aim.

>>385075143
I thought it was 60 million

>/v/
>the "video game scene"

>>385075243
Oh wait, three characters actually, because that healslut also doesn't need to aim. Who thought that building up ult charge and hiding should be a viable competitive strategy? It literally takes no skill and is needed to have a decent win ratio.

>>385075321
Close, 600 million.

If C9 gets dropped and Surefour retires from OW i'm gonna court my imouto and make her give me a blowjob.

>>385075618
It was 750 million my uncle working at blizzard told me

Oy vey how can you forget our 6 billion players?

>>385075891

Everyone on earth except for the people who come on /v/ play OW religiously. And rumor has it that aliens have picked it up and it's popular all throughout the galaxy.

If you don't play Overwatch for 16 hours a day you are probably racist.

>>385071282
No, it doesn't.
COD has every single cancer Overwatch has, like Ults and chokepoints, but on top of that it has low TTK, spawn killing, fuckload of perks, killstreaks, OP as fuck weapon that everyone can carry and a much slower movement.

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>>385075143
>muh thirty gorillion players
Those are account numbers, dumbfuck.
That includes accounts made during the open beta, free weekends, banned accounts, smurfs, and inactive accounts.
Overwatch doesn't have as many players as (((Blizzard))) wants you to believe there are.

>>385076136
And a homophobe

>>385070802
You mean eSports?
If so, thank you Overwatch.

>>385076226
And a white male.

>>385074331
As opposed to COD and Battlefield, which ruled all over the 7th gen?

You can all stay pissed off about overwatch and sperg out about it on /v/, or you can just actually play the game and have fun

>>385076164
You know cod and games like it were just deathmatch games with modern weapons.

>>385076316
I dunno m8, cod and battlefield were it's own thing, overwatch is destroying shit like quake and causing shit like lawbreakers. cod aint never been doin dat shit ya feel me

>>385076362
>you can just actually play the game and have fun
Games not fun though. Its one of those most frustrating games ever made.

>>385072409
>Not until, let's say Monster Hunter turns into a casual game due to high demand.

It already happened with the 3ds versions.

>>385076429
And COD and Battlefield ruined the entire FPS genre.

>cod aint never been doin dat shit ya feel me
First of all, stop speaking like a fucking nigger.
Second, you have every single shooter released in the 7th gen trying to pander to the COD and BF audience.
Even non-FPS games were pandering to the COD audience.

>>385076418
So?

>>385076578
no? cod and bf had zero influence on fps, only on eachother. my nigga, need to educate yourself and actually play some games

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>tons of threads talking about the state of the game on the forums today because streamers and esports alike are complaining about balance
>Lunatic Hai's coach did an AMA on twitch and said it was getting bad. Talked about apex and how comps could be unique in triple tank meta vs now
>timthetatman and dspstanky are slowing down and quitting because dive comp is boring along with seagull and codey
>on the forums, Jeff only responds to posts that are dumb as fuck and answers only ONE important post about balance being vague as always. obviously trying to be damage control so it hits reddit and everyone calms down because the mighty jeff has spoken

FIX YOUR FUCKING GAME

>>385076641
You are just whinging about staple fps gameplay.

>>385070802
t. 15 year old
At this rate, OW is an improvement

>>385076180
Still has more players than your favorite game, fucko.

>>385076867
Prove it, faglord.
What is Overwatch's concurrent player numbers?

>>385076701
>cod and bf had zero influence on fps
So you never played any FPS game outside of COD and Battlefield.
You never played Halo 4?
You never played Call of Juarez The Cartel?
You never heard of what Doom 4 was going to be?
Even Battlefield itself gave in to COD with Bad Company.

>>385076867
>15 minutes queue time

>>385073502
Pls tell me that these are pro teams that have dropped the game

>>385076736
I'd say wait for a little while until the entire eSports scene of OW dies.
Then fix it.
eSports dying is always excellent news.

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>>385076180
>(((Blizzard)))

>>385076867
It takes 4 minutes to find a matxh in diamond friday afternoon

>>385077004
>Titanfall 2
>2000 players at most
>15 second queue time

>Rainbow Six Siege
>average of 30k players daily
>low peaks of about 15k
>3 minute queue times

>>385070802
The only noticeable influence OW has had on games thus far is how literally every new shooter has to have some form of "lootboxes" in it. Quake champions, lawbreakers, fortnite. They saw blizzard making money and decided they'll just copy them for easy money at literally zero effort.

>>385077170
>>385077004
Not proof of a low playerbase.

If this game can succeed in the video game scene, then it was shit all along.

Which it was.

>>385077075
If ptr in two weeks doesnt have a buff for Roadhog or Ana I'm done lol

>>385075243

>aiming is the only skill in fps

its not even the most important skill in quake

>>385077416
lol :)

>>385077416
Ana's fine where she is. Perfectly viable, just not the "best" option in many scenarios. Roadhog's getting some form of defensive buff soon. Blizzard claims to be fine with where his offensive capabilities are right now.

>>385077439
>he doesnt think theyre in need of slight buffs to 10 damage to ana and reduced spread of roadhog of 30% bc hes spamhog right now

K

>>385077625
I don't care about that.
"lol" is reddit speak.
Leave.

>>385077668
>he thought I said lol

What's next, greedo shot first?

>>385077718
>redditwars
time to pack up kid

>>385077906
>trolling me this hard
Go back to 4chan

>>385077262
>I last played Siege back in December 2015

>>385078125
>introduce Operation Health
>first two weeks it works perfectly
>keep releasing patches that barely change anything
>matchmaking goes to shit again
>DLC delayed and one map cancelled for this waste of time

>>385077004
Main is gm but I get put with top 500 mainly. Queue times are 6-10 minutes. My smurf that I play with friends is in plat and there are 2 minute queue times. You're a retarded bronze bby who probably quit thinking Ow is too hard and unfair in season 2. I'll be the first to say you can hit top 500 if you aren't a braindead moron and play with minimum 2 other non-retarded players.

So yeah 10 minute queue times for the top 0.4% of the playerbase is expected. Challenger queues in League are around the same time and they have a larger community. When you're a shitter you don't have to wait long.

>Warcraft 3 mod "DotA" popularizes the worst genre in history
>WoW kills MMO entirely in a single critical hit
>Overwatch spreads a remixed cancer to every Arena FPS
Man, fuck Blizzard.

>>385072289
Dumb low skill reddit nigger. Go play overwatch

>>385070925
>looks worse
>retarded character designs
>awful choke point spam maps
>moba ultimates
>loot boxes
>guns feel like fisher price toys

It's worse in every conceivable way

>>385078447
>WoW kills MMO entirely in a single critical hit
That's good, MMOs are a genre incapable of being good, they always have clunky gameplay based around grinding.
Good riddance.

>>385076867
>billions of flies eat shit it must be good

>>385078887
>I am the ubermensh. I do not need the stupid masses and their poor taste! I laugh at their poor taste from my mothers basement and alone with no friends

>>385076867
Blizzard won't even release the true numbers, which is more telling than you think.

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>>385070802
One thing Overwatch should have stolen from tf2 was the humor. All the characters have the personality of fucking cardboard. Everything's padded and unfunny to avoid triggering faggots.

>>385078663
>awful choke point spam maps
>moba ultimates
>loot boxes
>guns feel like fisher price toys
You do know COD has all of these, right?

>>385079163
No, what they should have done is don't bother with personalities or plot, or any of that shit.
It's a multiplayer shooter, it's completely unnecesary, just balance it properly and give mod tools.

>>385079105
Regardless, it's one of the most popular games of all time and in time will be remembered rightfully as a classic.

>>385079260
>classic
Nah

>>385077595
>Blizzard claims to be fine with where his offensive capabilities are right now.
considering the meta he's useless

>>385079163
This is why I hate OW.
It attracts people who give a fuck about everything but gameplay in a fucking online game.

>>385079260
Just repeating shit over and over doesn't make it true.

Honestly I don't understand why people enjoy hating on Overwatch so much, it's a very well polished and well made game, it's extremely well balanced and dynamic, I guess people who hate it are either too poor to buy it and never really tried it out or just think it's cool to hate something that everyone else likes. Overwatch is one of those games you can play as a total noob or as an experienced player and still have a ton of fun, people keep complaining about how they took things from quake and TF2 and tribes and what not without really realising that they enjoyed those original games because of their mechanics which overwatch has to some extent

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>>385079239
I'm mostly talking about the venomous yet funny banter/insults tf2 has in their domination quotes. The deepest lore is placed completely separate in the comics. Some of these lines could never be used today without triggering the faggots Blizzard is appeasing to
>Yippie-Ki-Yay my dead illiterate friend
>You died as you lived, a virgin!
>well, off to visit your mother, hahahaha
>You live in a Van! HAHAHAHA
>I merely finished what your liver started!
>here's what I have that you don't, a functioning Liver, depth perception and a pulse!
>oooh poor Soldier, who will they ever get to replace you, ANYONE!
>NICE hustle tons-a-fun, next time eat a salad
>you died as you lived, morbidly obese
>hey lard fat, those hard arteries don't stop bullets do they?
>repeat after me mhmm mhmm muh I'm dead!
>NICE moves mumble

>>385079753
So what?
That doesn't improve the gameplay.

>>385079707
>it's extremely well balanced
rein's abilities are still bugged

>>385079795
It added charm and character. Hence why Overwaych characters have the personality of fucking cardboard. None of them interact with eachother the way tf2's mercenary's did.

>>385079950
>It added charm and character.
Completely unrelated to gameplay, which means it's irrelevant.
Give me mod tools, the option to turn off voice lines, and that's it.

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>>385079753
>They can bury you in the Tomb of the Unskilled Soldier

>>385079950
Says you, they have great interactions with each other and there is more to personality than stale comedy

>>385079753
Just imagine if the casts met one another.

>IN MY DAY WE HAD TO SHOOT AT OUR FEET TO FLY LIKE THAT
>FLIGHT'S CANCELLED, AMELIA
>YOU CAN'T FREEZE ME I'M ALREADY COLD-BLOODED
>THIS IS A MAN'S WAR, GRANNY, GO BACK TO KNITTING SWEATERS
>SWISS NEUTRALITY IS NO MATCH FOR AMERICAN FREEDOM
>MERCY IS NOT A WORD IN THIS SOLDIER'S DICTIONARY
>OLD SOLDIERS NEVER DIE, THEY GET DOMINATED
>JUMP BACK IN TIME ALL YOU WANT, REDCOAT. YOU WILL NEVER UNDO THE INDEPENDANCE OF THIS GREAT NATION, OR YOUR ASS KICKING
>I AM AN EXPERIENCED KILLER OF BOTH ROBOTS AND HIPPIES. YOU JUST MET YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE
>THE ONLY MUSIC WELCOME ON THE BATTLEFIELD ARE WAR BUGLES, EXPLOSIONS AND SCREAMING

>>385080336
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/352734814/

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"Y'all mind if I ruin the video game scene real quick?"

>>385079753
"SCOTLAND IS NOT A REAL COUNTRY. YOU ARE AN ENGLISHMAN IN A DRESS."

>>385080054
>Boom! you repulsive bushman!
>You are such a bad DOCTOR AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>may I borrow your earpiece? This is Scout, rainbows make me cry, Over!
Spy, Scout and Sniper were the meanest out of them all. Real shame banter/ mean words isn't allowed in modern gaming.

>>385080336
That would be the most EPIC thing since Big Bang Theory xDD

You can't fucking ruin FPS. You can't break what's already broken.

>>385080025
Exactly. My game about talking gorillas, robot Buddhists, and Brit dykes should be super serious. No silliness allowed

>>385080606
No, it should completely shut the fuck up and don't bother with the lore or voicelines, I don't give a single fuck about any of these characters, and nobody should.
If I play a multiplayer shooter, it's to kill other people, not to listen to ebin quips.

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>>385080668
Then why did Blizzard make each character unique and give them a backstory if people aren't supposed to care about them?

>>385080996
Because they know how to take advantage of autismos, but it's been pure fucking cancer.
Oh boy, i'm sure glad every single thread about the game will be filled with retarded waifufags and lorefags discussing ebin one liners and MCU-tier quips, just what I wanted to discuss about this MP shooter.

>>385081149
>Oh boy, i'm sure glad every single thread about the game will be filled with retarded waifufags and lorefags
That's like every game that gets posted on /v/, it's shit but it's not unique in its shitness

>Game becomes popular
>Lets hate it!

>7 to 10 years later
>FUCK BIG TITTY FIGHTER. IT'S RUINING THE ENTIRE GENRE, WHAT HAPPENED TO QUALITY GAMES LIKE OVERWATCH?

It happened to Halo here as well. The usual /v/ hating on the popular game for no good reason thing.

>>385081285
Thing is, this kind of development model encourages that behaviour.
The only way OW can be good is by simply removing all lore, voicelines, character related stuff, etc.
Sadly, we know they won't do it.

>>385081870
Valve does it and it works heavily in their favor. People eat up the TF2 comics when they decide to make them.

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i love overwatch

>>385082236
And I'm very happy for them, but i'm playing a multiplayer game.

>>385082323
Okay. The lore and characters are secondary to the actual game so I don't see what the problem is. All the lore stuff is done by a separate team and it's for marketing purposes mainly. You don't have to know the lore of Overwatch to play it, it barely even matters at all because nothing in-game seems to reflect the lore.

>>385082434
Except they decide to waste resources on that shit instead of fixing and making OW a proper multiplayer game.
They decided first to spend money on a comic instead of giving me mod tools.
This is why these kind of games are cancer.

>>385082561
Blizzard has never been mod friendly outside of their RTS games. Even with SC2 they've become much more strict in ensuring that the gameplay experience is the one they envision. It sucks but they're not the only company to adopt that philosophy in the modern era.

They're not going to magically acquire more resources if they close the media portion of their team, Blizzard has an entire team made solely for the purpose of their cinematics and comics and shit, the funds for Overwatch aren't being misdirected anymore than they are towards their other games. If SC2 died they still would be going at the same pace for updates as they are now.

A lot of it has to do with the fact that it's an FPS and there are a lot of factors that go into making a hero, as opposed to something like HotS (a game that can't even hold a candle to Dota 2 and doesn't receive enough attention to be considered one of Blizzards big games) where they can release a new hero every three weeks because the formula is easier to design for.

Money isn't the ultimate factor here.

>>385082976
>Blizzard has an entire team made solely for the purpose of their cinematics and comics and shit
Considering the effect it has on the game itself, might as well close it and get actual developers willing to do something other than events to shit out cosmetics.
And if they want trailers, just hire some cheap, third party to make them.

>>385083331
What effect? The reason we get event cosmetics is because it's what makes money. If heroes in Overwatch cost money we would be getting them more frequently. Taking the cinematic team away wouldn't change anything, and the only thing Blizzard has going for it these days are it's godlike cinematics.

The reason Dota 2 only shits out cosmetics and compendiums is because it's what makes money. Sometimes we get cool free content but not often. The costs towards other things is irrelevant.

>>385083601
>Taking the cinematic team away wouldn't change anything
You won't have to pay them, for one.

And I think working on making OW live longer is a much more worthwhile investment than 2 minute long CGIs.

>>385083672
That money isn't going to magically go towards the OW development team. Why would they cut something that brings in a fuck-ton of people with hype marketing? People all over the internet were talking about that Doomfist reveal cinematic.

It's like saying why do companies advertise their shit at all, why do companies waste money on cinematics and ad campaigns when it can all just be put into the video game? Because that's not how they're going to make their money back dipshit. The CGI's draw people in who are likely to buy the game or buy loot boxes for the new Doomfist stuff.

Hype is the best marketing tool around. Just going "here's Doomfist" with no big reveal or ceremony doesn't get people who aren't already playing the game interested. This shit is an art form that requires balance.

>>385084125
>Why would they cut something that brings in a fuck-ton of people with hype marketing?
Because you can do the same by hiring some cheap CGI team formed of Korean slaves.

>Hype is the best marketing tool around.
Guess what, hype won't prevent Overwatch from dying, nor will cosmetic events.

If there's nothing in the game itself, then it's not worth it.
And the fact that they decide to focus on lore garbage proves that they just don't care about the game itself.

>This shit is an art form that requires balance.
You know what requieres far more balance?
Overwatch.

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>>385078802
?

Is there any reason to play overwatch over tf2, besides a larger playerbase?

TF2 has tons of hackers and aimbotters in ranked matches, is OW better?

>>385077007
Yup.

>>385084280
>Because you can do the same by hiring some cheap CGI team formed of Korean slaves.
Yeah, and everyone will think it looks like crap and it'll have a negative effect. Remember the Mighty Number 9 trailer?

>Guess what, hype won't prevent Overwatch from dying, nor will cosmetic events.
Bringing people back with hype is Blizzards best and most effective tactic, how do you think WoW has stayed alive for so long? Each expansion sells around 3 million copies every fucking time.

>If there's nothing in the game itself, then it's not worth it.
They released the Lunar Colony map like barely a month ago and we're getting Doomfist this week. What fucking more can they give? This is the same time frame as most multiplayer games when it comes to content. It's not being delayed for the sake of story, it's all being worked on at the same time.

>You know what requires far more balance?Overwatch.
I agree but that's a completely different thing unrelated to the CGI department.

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>>385080336
>YOU CAN'T FREEZE ME I'M ALREADY COLD-BLOODED

>>385084654
>Yeah, and everyone will think it looks like crap
Those CGI trailers Ubisoft puts out don't look bad.

>how do you think WoW has stayed alive for so long?
Marketing, sure, there's no legitimate reasons to play it.

>What fucking more can they give?
First map since what, September?
You know what they can give?
Mod tools.

>I agree but that's a completely different thing unrelated to the CGI department.
Which is unnecesary, and could be replaced with more actual developers.

If trailers are the only thing that they can do to bring people back, then i'm done with Blizzard just like how i'm done with Valve.

TF2 turned into shit, I'm very glad Overwatch stepped in to fill the void.

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>>385071138
>Game becomes popular
>Other companies decide to say fuck it and imitate Game
>/v/ shits on Game instead of the other companies/games for being unoriginal hacks

Every fucking time

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>>385071398
What's wrong with Live other than it eventually costing money? Serious question, I never bothered with Live.

>>385085319
it went CoD and introduced weapon loadouts

>>385079412
That's basically every game now. We should just have every character in every game just be black and white hitboxes, as anything else will invite countless hours of pointless discussion about how good or bad the character designs are instead of the actual mechanics. And this isn't even just about waifus. I still see more complaints about Ken's face in SFV than the actual fighting in the game being dumbed down.

>>385085427
They introduced the ability to spawn with two weapons of your choice. That was the extent of the "loadout" in Quake Live.

It was a good fucking idea. It offset one issue that Quake MP has always had - fresh spawns being at a massive disadvantage to guys who have had a moment to collect the armor and rockets. All this did was narrow that gap very slightly as you could choose to spawn with, what, five rockets and/or rails. Still didn't have any armor.

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>>385084447
Less cheating in OW. Also, much easier to play. Most players are casual retards, so it's easy to win matches.
>>385081149
>>385081870
I completely agree with you, but removing those things would not actually make them more money. Are you familiar with Sega's Virtua Fighter? It's basically free of the cancer that infects most Japanese fighting games (no plot, cosmetics are free, basically no waifushit), but since the average video game consumer is a shit eating casual now, simply having a good combat system was not good enough to get people to play it, which is why Tecmo's Dead or Alive still makes money, despite just being a watered down VF. People care far more about pretty colors and buying costumes than playing a game now. I got a high rank in DoA5's online (with a low tier character, even) in just a few days simply because most people don't care enough to learn about a 3d fighting game when they can just talk about sniffs. A game can basically have the most cancerous mechanics of all time and still be successful if it has the stuff casuals like and a came can be the best designed mechanics wise of all time and make basically no money at all if it fails to appeal to shit eating casual retards, which is the saddest noble truth of video games today.

>>385070802
It's keeping all the worst kinds of gamers distracted. If anything it's improving the gaming scene by offering a playpen for all the people no one wants to play with.

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>>385085074
Worse:
>individuals from /v/ start unironically playing the ripoff alternative games, therefore promoting the unoriginal hacks, simply because they do not want to play the original one that started it
>being contrarian is actually further fueling what they hate

>>385080336
Is this supposed to be tf2?sounds more like that stereotype from battleborn

Badass!

>>385087458
What if the ripoff is an actual improvement over the original?

>>385087527
>magical theoretical situation that has never happened and never will happen
oh gee i dont know i guess then videogames are saved!

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>all this discussion of hurrdurr story
Over time it seems many people have forgotten the most important ingredient to a good gaming experience: The good game.

And by game I'm not referring to shader effects, high polygon counts, compelling story, or any of the other irrelevant nonsense I don't give a submarining fuck about. I mean the actual gameplay. The part where you control stuff and have it interact with other stuff and then your brain generates fun.
If I wanted a compelling story I'd read a book. There's only a few million of them already in existence, majority of which were written by people whose talents compare to the best video game writers, the same way Kobe Bryant's penis might compare to that of a poorly endowed tit mouse.
If enduring 90 minutes of CGI cutscenes dubbed with pornography-grade voice acting sounds exciting to you, I suggest you immediately open up your web browser, browse on over to your friendly neighborhood torrent site, and start downloading something called a MOVIE. Any of them really, because apparently you're very easily satisfied.
Perhaps I'm romanticizing the past here, but I remember a time when most games were about being challenged to explore new gameplay mechanics, about learning and solving new puzzles, about improving your skills against all types of adversaries and about feeling proud of your accomplishments.
Now they're mostly shiny particle effected vessels guiding any soccer mom caliber gamer through a generic 3rd grade level story where anyone with a brain the size of a steroid shrunk testicle can pretend to be a hero and maintain a fantasy of NOT SUCKING BALLS AT VIDEO GAMES.

>B-but I need a reason for what I'm doing, motivation for my character, a back story!

Would you really need a backstory to play Donkey Kong, you twat? How about football? Or Poker? If the process of playing a game isn't fun for you, then maybe you should find a different hobby.

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>>385087609
>you're literally not allowed to start the game Donkey Kong without first going through the entire backstory cutscene

holy shit you're fucking retarded

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>>385087578
You don't play many games, do you? Silent Hill obviously only exists because of the popularity of Resident Evil and the former is far better than the latter. Sonic only existed to compete with Nintendo platformers and most of the Mega Drive games are far better than the SNES Mario games. Video games in general are about taking a design and improving them. Remember the millions of SF and MK clones in the 1990s or were you not out of your dad's nutsack yet? We got The King of Fighters 98 out of that, a far more evolved and sophisticated evolution of what SFII started. Believe it or not, companies can actually evolve the designs of other companies, even if they're simply inspired by said designs.
>inb4 "t-those aren't ripoffs!"
Well people call Battleborn and Lawbreakers ripoffs of OW just for being team based "hero shooters" so clearly, being in the same genre and cashing in on the popularity of another successful game in that genre is the requirement for this. Hell, basically all Jap RPGs were just mods of Wizardry and other first person dungeon crawlers at one point, yet I still enjoyed Phantasy Star 1 more than the game it was inspired by. In fact, Overwatch may as well be a ripoff of better shooters, but hurdurf le best game ever, right?

>>385087804
And did that improve your Italian jumping experience? Would DK have been a better game if you had to read a 2 minute pamphlet beforehand about the story of how the monkey was born and circumcised since he's also a Muslim that wants to destroy the western world?

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>>385070802
> OWL might be a big enough flop to kill off E-sports forever, or at least crash them for a decade or so

Please do. Put your fucking heart and soul into it.