Prove FO 1 is better than 2 without spouting >le pop culture

>>385056930
Fallout 3 is the best fallout game. you cant prove me wrong

>>385057218
literally just a shittier version of 4

>>385056930
The master is a better antagonist than Richardson/Horrigon

Also temple of trials is tedious for veterans and hard for newbies

I like fallout 2 better myself because it actually had enough content, but even I can't write those off.

>>385056930
No Katja.

>>385057423
but you can write off companions not even working correctly in 1?

>>385056930
Fallout 1 is the road warrior to Fallout 2's thunderdome

>>385057520
That only makes FO2 better, Katja was the worst companion FO1 had to offer because by the time you get to her you'll probably be fighting super mutants that will shred her apart before she can even stumble towards them

>>385057542
They don't really work right in 2 either. I think they only got their shit together in tactics.

I'm not trying to say 1 is better, I'm just playing devils advocate and offering reasons why people could prefer it.

Fallout 2 is fun but the tedious fucking beginning kills any desire to replay it.
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>385057817
>by the time you get to her you'll probably be fighting super mutants that will shred her apart before she can even stumble towards them
RIP Katja
She couldn't take the Wattz 2000 rifle

>>385056930
>Prove FO 1 is better than 2 without bringing up what skullfucked the atmosphere, the thing that made Fallout what it is

>>385058079
>some lines of text ruined the game for me :(((

FO 2 is the objectively superior game, just accept it.

>>385057817
She just needs a ripper or power fist and some stimpaks to fuck shit up.

>>385058078
RIP Ian, got shredded by minigun fire.
RIP That one ranger dude whose name I forgot, got killed by a flamethrower
RIP Katja, got killed by another minigun
Dogmeat lived

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>>385058406
I couldn't figure out how to dismiss Dogmeat so he died to a force field in the military base

Fallout 1 has 10x better world building, story, characters and atmosphere

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>>385058406
Dogmeat lasted for long. He helped me a lot on my first playthrough.
Until he met a rocket launcher in Mariposa

>>385058635
I don't think you can. I just healed him whenever he ran into one like a retard

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>>385058635
Same thing happened to me anon. It was awful.

>>385058727
>literally half the size of F0 2. with far more, and more interesting locations
>story is slightly better
>le atmosphere xD

try harder

You're a shitposter OP but you're right.

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>>385057218

>>385057423
>Also temple of trials is tedious for veterans and hard for newbies

How fucking hard is it ? I'm Chinese and the game's default language isn't even native to me any single bit and yet I learn and completed it flawlessly. My pure ching chong potato friend who fails "Engilish Spelring" learned and improve his English because of fallout. That was like nearly 18 years ago.

>>385059150
Yeah, I never understood the intense hatred of ToT. You can finish it in ~5 minutes.

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>>385059095

>>385059095
If he wants to see Doctor Who he just needs to play Fallout 2

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>First time playing Fallout 2
>In New Reno
>Meet Mrs Bishop
>Talk to her
>She invites me up to her room
>Sounds like a quest
>Go in there
>She starts caressing me
>This isn't a quest
>Try to refuse because I didn't want to piss off a fucking crime lord
>She threatens to call the guards
>Damn
>Have sex with her
>Try to leave
>lol guards
Wow.

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>>385056930
>less cohesive narrative
>balancing all over the fucking place
>too many half-assed areas that have the barest skeleton of interactivity and NPCs (Broken Hills, San-Fran, NCR)
>car detracts from atmosphere, lets you cruise around the wastes at mach 2 while you trip over fuel cells
>less compelling story, just get the niggas in your tribe to move to a place where crops actually grow or trade with other settlements
>weaker start, not even counting ToT you're fucked over if you chose guns until you're halfway through the rat den or steal a bunch of shit
While FO2 delivers more content, it's mostly fucking shit. One of 1's strengths is its brevity, it doesn't try to overextend its writing and then have to cover its ass with le pop culture references xD.

>>385059367
>I AM SILLY

>>385059504
>Sounds like a quest
>This isn't a quest
hheheh

>>385057423
>Also temple of trials is tedious for veterans and hard for newbies
The fuck? Do you have fucking down syndrome? It's short, it's easy. I'm totally stumped as to why you'd even think this.

>>385059504
You got raped, son.

essential followers is fucking retarded

>>385056930
We're on agreement, anon. The only thing fallout 1 has over 2 is a far better villain and slightly better pacing.

They're still both masterpieces though.

>>385059523
defend being on a literal timer for the first part of the game.

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>>385056930
>Fallout 1
>The Master is planning to turn humans into mutants to stop the constant infighting caused by their physical differences
>you can reason with him by giving him evidence that the mutants are sterile making his plan worthless (and making him kill himself)
>Fallout 2
>some faggots in a base are killing every single human they meet for no good reason other than "your ancestors might have been exposed to radiation" (LOL)
>you can't even reason with them

>>385059523
you uh, got an artists name or anything

>>385059367
oh shit ms paint

>>385056930
I was going to list a shit ton of reasons, but then I noticed that you said Fallout 2 was better, not 1. Carry on.

Fallout 2 is the better game. But at the same time I feel like it misses out on a lot of what the 1st did so good. The 1st had an atmosphere unmatched. The wasteland is oppressive , lonely, and you can't help but feel like something is even more wrong (super mutants). And you're just thrown into it without any idea of whats out there. Just listen to this OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SefxmOv-88M
Shivers every time. Sure there's people in the wasteland but there's something so surreal about it, how there's just literally nothing in between all these little towns. And how in these little towns nobody is aware of the massive threat that slowly comes their way. The super mutants.
They were actually scary in 1 especially before they are fully revealed. Fallout 1 just stands out more to me.

>>385057662
this

I think Fallout 1 is better because the atmosphere is more tense and it truly captures the feeling that you're an ant against all odds. You're really just thrown into this world meeting different type of monsters, villages, and people. The deathclaws and mutants are also menacing foes, both of which are gone in 2. By the time you get to 2, most of the place is civilized and you have all these factions. It just has a different feeling to the game. 2 also has a similar main quest, so it feels like more of the same. Some of the sections also aren't that interesting. Like getting on a ship to stop the president from sending a vaccine. Compared to the hole where you learn all this lore and have this tense gameplay from the radiation and buildup from the NPCs and story.

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>>385059838
>some faggots in a base are killing every single human they meet for no good reason

>In F3 Colonel Autumn didn't want to kill all humans like that retarded computer or the west coast enclave
>you cant even side with him

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>>385057662
>tfw I liked Thunderdome the best

Every time I had to give up my weapons in New Vegas, I thought of that scene in Thunderdome where Mel Gibson unloads dozens of guns on his way into barter town.
In fact, I wish post apocalyptic stories would borrow more from Thunderdome and less from Road Warrior.

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>>385059806
It's another place where 1 trumps 2. It's explained that everyone in your vault is gonna fucking die if you don't get that waterchip, adding a sense of urgency. You're not here to smell the roses and shoot geckos for a few years while your retarded tribe is supposedly starving to death but actually perfectly fine, you're out on a mission to save what's practically your family. You either succeed, or you don't, while in 2 there's no benefit to rushing the GECK. Regardless of what you do, everyone in Arroyo gets snatched up or killed by the Enclave.

>>385059343
Back then me and my friends are like 12 when we first play fallout 2, we have to figure out most of the words via paperback dictionaries and we have no idea how WRPG works. It was worth it and even more when we check the word "cinnamon" flavor from an "object". Next level was Icewind dale 2. None of us went back to JRPG after those days.

>>385059971
Also one other thing really stands out to me from 1 and that's that your character is literally just some guy. There's nothing special about him, just the guy in the vault who is at the right age. And this vault dweller somehow is tasked to stop a invasion of some random shitty towns by 9 foot tall, 600 pound, immortal mutants carrying 200 pound machine guns. It's both badass and terrifying.

>>385057423

>this 5 minute tutorial level in this 40-50 hour game makes it bad

I bet you hate Liberty Island or Irenicus dungeon as well.

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>>385058635
>This happened so often it's now canonically how the original dogmeat died

>>385060507
Who doesn't?

>>385059838
>you can't even reason with them
I loved that part about FO2, especially after how easy it was to convince the Master in FO1.

>>385056930
>>>/vr/

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>>385059367

Fallout 1 doesn't have a SHITTY AS FUCK tutorial level.

playing Fallout Resurrection right now, just joined the Mutant Hunters. This is not bad for what it is.

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>>385057218

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>>385057218
NV>3>shit>>>>4

>>385059367
Then why exactly is nv praised so much logicman

>>385059419

That's Fallout 1. I'm entirely convinced no one here actually played either 1 or 2 and just posts the same inaccurate information they heard from shitposters ad nauseum.

>>385059891
bamboo-ale

>>385061487
Same reason Skyrim is praised everywhere. People like shallow easy to play games.

>>385059095
>>385059367
Fucking autistic elitists

>>385061173
I like how you take all the addon quests, faction quest and unmarked quests for New Vegas and hide the Fallout 4 equivalent.

>>385058635
>tfw that's canonically how Dogmeat died

Temple of Trials? Stupid Tribal village you start in? Talking Death claws?

Keep in mind, if I were to say that F1 is a 100/100 game, The lowest I would go for 2 would be 95/100.

>>385060228
I want you to kill yourself

Mad Max > Road Warrior > Thunderdome

>>385065325
You forgot

Fury road >>>>>>> all

>>385065691
not Mad Max, doesn't really exist

>>385056930
the tone is more consistent

mechanically they are the same game

so 1 is slightly better

The second game is still 9/10 but it's picked over the first just because it's the sequel. 2 feels like it's just a bunch of ideas that had for 1 but didn't have time to implement. Gameplay is basically identical.

>>385058406
>RIP That one ranger dude whose name I forgot, got killed by a flamethrower

Tycho

>>385060954
Jesus Christ are those quotes real?

>>385059971
This guy gets it.

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>>385060954
>>385066810
>someone still hasn't de-bethesdized all of fallout 3's dialogue

>>385056930
In a word: focus. As Mitch Gitelman once said, "Focus equals quality." Fallout, though more experimental and unrefined than Fallout 2, is much more focused. It has a much stronger sense of tone, and it's the only game in the entire series besides New Vegas to completely satisfy the core design goals the original team had in mind when making it.

The abundance of pop culture references in Fallout 2 is symptomatic of the game's deeper flaws - its development was more compartmentalized than Fallout's, so it feels more disjointed. Where Fallout is clearly a thoroughly modern story, Fallout 2 seems to struggle with not knowing whether it's trying to emulate Chaucer or Conrad. Fallout 3 definitely introduced far too many 'romantic' influences (which were then doubled down on with direct references to Sir Thomas Malory in Fallout 4) further pissing in the pool, but the problem had already started with Fallout 2.

This is not to say that Fallout 2 is a bad game, or that it doesn't possess unique merits of its own, or that none of its additions are good. No, it is a good game, it does possess unique merits and it does add good things. However, it also added bad things that only got worse when they were elaborated on by later, less skilled, writers.

>>385056930
1>2>NV>3
Sorry NV fags, but it's true.