Final thoughts on MGSV?

it's still shit. Mostly because it is unfinished.

not enough poop jokes

>>385048849
Absolutely fantastic but incomplete.

>>385048849
Death Stranding is chapter 3

It was a piece of shit and I still haven't bothered finishing it.

The hype train was better than the game itself. So, I still remember it somewhat fondly for that.

Shit.

Death Stranding is Silent Hills.
TPP has one more ending where we revisit Camp Omega.
The real MGS5 has not yet been released.
Kojima was never fired.

Great gameplay.

>>385048849
I liked the gameplay but holy shit was the encounter/level design repetitive.
Story also sucked.

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An expected blunder.

Open world was a fucking mistake.

>>385049065
Red Band trailer was better than the game

>>385049065
This. The trailers were better than the game.

Disarm the nukes

>>385048849
The most obviously unfinished game I have ever played
but also really fun
MGSV had some of the best movement out of the series and it was great to play through
disappointing bossfights though

>>385048849
Sigh... For fuck sake Anon. We been over it a so many times.

It's a good game but not good metal gear solid game. Also - incomplete.

-7/10. Gtfo.

>>385048849
Gameplay is great but story is shit.
They should have let kojima finish it.

I know I'm in the minority but...

2>PW>GZ>4>3>1>Ac!d 2>Ac!d 1>V>GB>PO

The reason for Quiet dressling like that was so fucking bad I can't believe he actually tweeted that.

Kaine's explanation in Nier is how you write these things.

Severely flawed but with an extremely fun core that wasn't properly used. The Mansion and Camp Omega (the most linear and condensed levels in the game) were leagues above anything else in MGSV and other MGS games.

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>MFW I get to Africa for the first time and have to trek through the jungle that looks like Snake Eater

>>385049193
It really was which is why I'm worried for Death Stranding. But I don't think Kojima's is going to fuck up twice. DS I think was conceived as being open world whereas It was shoehorned into a series that benefits from closed spaces and linearity.

>>385049195
>>385049236

I mean what the fuck. MGSV was all hype and poor results.

>>385048849
>series about infiltrating large super secret protected bases and having cool fights against larger than life bosses

Who had the genius idea of making mgsv about infiltrating roadblocks and villages and having barely any bossfights against no names?

3 > 1 > V > 2 >>>>> Getting shot in the balls > 4

Behead all 4 defenders

>>385049418

And then its fucking nothing

>>385049794
4 has some pretty fun gameplay but boy was it hard to find.

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It's okay. My first sixty hours with the game were absolute torture, but eventually I managed to just come to understand that it's not the final entry to the Metal Gear franchise that I wanted, and much like Peace Walker I don't even consider it canon, but it's still a fine game.

I now have, I believe, one hundred seventy-five hours in it. It's a fine game for what it is.

>>385049794
This but switch 3 and 1.

>>385048849
What was I supposed to be ashamed about?

>>385048849
It was trash and proved without a doubt Kojima is a hack who can't handle money.

>>385050009
Where do you get this waifu? I need more diversity on my MB.

>>385049065
I have never been more hyped for a vidya than mgsv. I partly blame that game for killing my soul. I find it hard to feel anymore.

>>385049794
The first two chapters of 4 are better than all of V imo

>>385050009
>and much like Peace Walker I don't even consider it canon
lmao what does this even mean you retard

>>385050092
That you supported him as a developer over the past ten years

>>385049794

DISGUSTING

One of my favorite games of all time to be sure

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>>385049418
>yfw you see africa during the day

>>385050215

If chapter 4 had soldiers instead of robots it'd be fucking choice cunt

An unfinished mess that suffered from a bunch of fucked up drama during development that has occasional flashes of brilliance.

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>>385050184
I was looking for cute girls to play as, and just found her in my big ass list of dudes. I don't know if stats mean anything, but I remember her stats for everything but R&D being shit. Didn't stop me from playing as her though.

>>385050226
It means that I feel that they add so little to the series, and even take away from it in some places, that I don't consider them canon. Not that hard a concept to grasp, guy.

>>385048849
I feel ashamed of my words and deeds

>>385050675
What was the reason

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>>385049891
There's tons of variety in Africa

>>385048849
This cemented Kojima as being a perpetual 12 year old.

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>>385050092
taking the bait
maybe not you, specifically, but people in general
Quiet has a whole character arc about reclaiming her agency and identity after being reduced to a straight up object by XOF and the parasites, and ignoring that to focus on her sexuality is extremely hypocritical of your average vidya journalist that presents themselves as feminist

It's an incredible game depending on how you play it. If you just drop into every single mission with the tranq pistol and sneaking suit it's boring as fuck. if you make a bunch of different loadouts with combinations of all the different kinds of guns and gadgets and go in with different gameplans it's one of the most fun open world games ever.

Story had a couple moments but is obviously unfinished and feels like slapped together after tons of other stuff was cut

I'm convinced Death Stranding is going to be one of t games do all time. MGSV had some of the best gameplay mechanics in the genre, but the game was cleary unfinished due to a myriad of reasons. DS is Kojima's unshackled' it's going to be his best since MGS2

>>385048849
yet another bad game Kojima shat out but it doesn't matter that Kojima has done nothing but help create awful title after awful title suspiciously when he gained full control of the franchise FOR AN ENTIRE DECADE. Nah, it is okay because it is big bad Konami's fault.

>>385050956
the game itself betrays that though by constantly shoving the camera up her ass and into her boobs during those scenes.

>>385048849
a really fun game that does a good job of complimenting the themes and narrative of MGS4

>>385049193
Open world is amazing. Developers are all retarded at it is all. Why can't anyone sit down and think up some actually decent open world design? Probably because "open world design" is still the best excuse for jamming a game with filler and boring stretches.

>>385051118
>not liking mgs1-3
And even MGS4, whose problems DO land on Kojima's feet, still has tons of great stuff in it.

But look at literally EVERY SINGLE franchise konami owns and the state of them for the last 5 years. They all have gotten fucked. Not to mention the trashfire that Metal Gear Survive is looking like. If you think Konami has nothing to do with MGSV's problems you are an idiot

>>385050643
You can play pretend all you want, but they're canon and there's nothing you can do about it.

With MGSV being my first Metal Gear never had a playstation to play them even though I always wanted to I really enjoyed it. I don't really understand all the hate it's getting. It's a great game

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>>385051118
>an entire decade
no that can't be true...
>check it up
>MGS4 is almost 10 years old
jesus christ man. what happened? where did all this time go?

>>385051465
>If you think Konami has nothing to do with MGSV's problems you are an idiot
Everything revealed in recent years, including budget, working conditions, state of the game and Kojima himself (regarding all the stupid shit with death stranding, hollywood, etc) has me place the blame 95% on Kojima. The last 5% is Konami because they probably gave him an ultimatum that the game had to be done as they were tired of funding it.

Fantastic gameplay and autistic atttention to little details, but held back by a weak story and boring level designs.

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>>385050765

>>385048849
I like playing MGSV more than I like watching MGS4

>>385051818
It's because it's so different from other metal gears in gameplay, level design, and story
The story is the biggest letdown, gameplay is great and the level design is great in a few areas, but the story is not only unfinished, but was shit anyway. It retcons shit and adds useless shit to the entire series story, not to mention the fact that without mission 51, everyone just forgets about Sahalanthropus a giant fucking mech.

>>385048849
A pile of shit with gold dust sprinkled on it.

Biggest scam of the year, and it was a terrible year for games. Boring, repetitive, and missing basic features. Open world adds nothing to the game but it takes away many things.

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>>385048849
I spend around 500 hours playing it. It's my favorite Kojima game and one of the best games that I ever play on PC.

>>385050765
>tons of variety in Africa
>implying an empty savannah with changing weather is variety
And the tiny ass actual jungle near the mansion Code Talker was in doesn't count for anything.

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It's a big, functional AAA game that anyone with no prior knowledge of the series can pick up and kill some time with.

>>385052195
Yeah I noticed that the story was very lacking in many areas but at the same time I heard that MGSV takes place somewhere early in the timeline and that's how most if not all MGS games are. So wouldn't some other MGS game add more to what MGSV couldn't get out?

or was I lied to and all the games are in chronological order for the story

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>>385048849
I want a D-walker plamodel

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I'm replaying it right now, although with a mod to make the upgrade system less grindy. Last playthrough I never got to the wormhole generator and whatnot because it required hours of waiting and tons of GMP grinding to get.

It has great gameplay, but the score system and soldier capture stuff tend to funnel you (or well, funneled me) to tranquilizing every mook in every outpost and then fultoning out the ones worth anything. I have to make a conscious effort to /not/ play like that because I already spent my entire last playthrough doing it.

>>385052503
>hurr all that variety doesn't count!!

lmao. And that's two more examples, in addition to the starter jungle. Then there's all the spoops leading up to the devil's house too.

>>385052573
If only Kojima directed the game as well as he did those trailers.

>>385048849
could have been the best, failed to fulfill its potential. this was true of many games that came out that year

thankfully kojima has always been surrounded by great games designers and programmers, because he is a fucking hack.

>>385052724
I bet you can be easily amused by a piece of sting too.

>>385052690
Story goes
3, pw, GZ, TPP, MG, MG2, MGS, MGS2, MGS4, and then Rising if you consider it cannon I don't even know if rising is supposed to be cannon or not

Premature.

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>m-muh story
>where was le epin kojima ruse!!!

V > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4

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>>385052704
I've replayed the game twice and I still have no idea how to use that fucking thing properly

>>385048849
It's okay. Good controls and decent sneaking sadly ruined a bit by the shitty open world grinding based design and terrible balanced it brought.

GZ was better. It was everything I wanted TTP to be, grimdark tone aside. Man it got me on board the new game so hard, more than the trailers did, especially since the PC version worked so damn well.

>>385049431
To be fair he's kinda been fucking up since MGS4. Not I don't thoroughly enjoy the post MGS3 games, but they lost that spark of greatness that the other games had.

>>385052729
Maybe if he didn't get himself fired, but it's also obvious Konami tried to squeeze extra money from players.

>>385052998
its 'close enough to canon unless we ever get around to doing something set in that period ourselves' was kojipro's statement on the matter.

if they ever did do a post-SOP game they wouldn't hesitate to ignore Rising if it suited them, but they never did so it retains their stamp of approval

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>>385052450
*More than 500 hours playing the game.

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>>385051138
the boob ruse
was a distaction

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>>385053119
like this

>>385052865
Pretty easy to be entertained when you're playing some of the best stealth/shooting mechanics ever. Sure it sucks that Truth was a literal rehash down to the controls but that's kinda the point

>>385048849
Good but incomplete.

>>385053356
what the fuck is that language?

>>385053569
Dovah probably

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At the end of the day, boring and feels like there's no reason for it to exist.

>>385053119
>can choose a horse, that is kinda nice but fairly unnecessary
>a dog that makes the game so easy it's more powerful than straight up cheat items
>a sniper that is more or less a worse version of the dog
>some weird action boom boom mech you have no real use off apart from maybe cheesing S-ranks which you don't even need to since d-dog will make you get it on your first try anyways

Nice balance Kojima. Thanks.

Mechanically a great game, every other part of it is awful.

>>385053569
Swedish.

>>385053672
>>385053794
same thing

>>385053569
Neo-Arabic/Swedish.

It was okay. Feel sorry for the /v/irgins who postponed suicide to play it.

>>385053752
You realise you can go into a mission without a buddy

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i really liked it but most mgs nerds i know didnt

meh

>>385053569
>starta spel
Clearly A wizards language, probably swedish

How the FUCK are you supposed to fight the skulls anyway? This design is just fucking retarded, these niggers can take a full box of LMG ammo to the face and barely lose half of their health.

>>385053752
>a sniper that is more or less a better version of the dog counterbalanced by the dog's faster scouting
ftfy

>>385053961
just wait for them to melee and counter, also the big ol sniper rifle works pretty well

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>>385053119
inertial drift and fucking up the skulls
it also makes for the best cartoony getaway vehicle in any modern game since it comes when you call it

>>385053117
sauce on the girl in your pic?

>>385053569
kikongo

Fun game
Shit story
Inconsequential and didn't need to be made

>>385053961
>Kite them to the three turrets and roundabout them until you destroy their armor and defeat them all one by one
>Anti-material sniper rifle spamming
The rocket launchers are a trap. They don't work.

>>385048849
It's a mess with some cool ideas and a few good missions. Trying to reconcile certain aspects of the story with the rest of the series is a headache (Miller most notably), but it does its job of depicting Big Boss as an asshole. Balancing is a mess, level design is underwhelming. It's far from a bad game, though.

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>>385054180
Is someone speaking Kikongo in this thread?

>>385053961
hint: you have armor piercing rounds that can be used against the armored skulls

you can also cheese them by running outside the fence to the edge of the mission area. the AI struggles to remember that you're there so you can take pot shots while they just sort of jiggle on the spot 500m away

>>385054083
>only crime so far
jeeeeesus christ why hasn't somebody taken his phone away yet

>>385054330
>hint: you have armor piercing rounds that can be used against the armored skulls
I... I do?

Thanks, anon.

Best in the series from a raw gameplay perspective (aside from MGS2's VR missions) but half baked level structure. It should have been a series of a dozen or so camp omega/OKB-zero styled bases instead of that giant empty world.

>>385053907
You can but it would be nice to you know, be able to play with the things included in the game without feeling like I enabled cheats/get some fucking game balance.

>>385054013
You pretty much have time to scout, raid, fulton everything, take a nap, order a pizza, write a 500 page novel and take another nap in a base before she's set up a position to scout the damn thing.

>>385054083
so are they leaks or are they fake news? Does he not understand it cant be both?

>>385048849
I miss queefer posting more than anything

I'm struggling to think of a less thought out game narrative than MGSV. Remember the metallic archaea? Remember that horseshit?

>>385054438
Yep. DD is a better scout, but Quiet is better for backup.

>>385054436
>best gameplay apart from the fact that it has shit gameplay

How about we call the MGSV gameplay okay? Level design is more or less the most important part of a stealth game.

>>385054438
>You pretty much have time to scout, raid, fulton everything, take a nap, order a pizza, write a 500 page novel and take another nap in a base before she's set up a position to scout the damn thing
This. I never once chose Quiet over D-Dog because of this.

>>385054662
You don't need backup when you have DD.

>>385053752
>doesn't know how to play the game :/

D-Horse is great

>>385054438
>>385054720
And you don't have to hear here annoying humming and shit.

>>385048849
Incomplete trash with amazing marketing

>>385053752
FOB

Quiet was supposed to fuck off at the end of the game so if you use her you're objectively a pleb

>>385054673
because mechanically it's great. it controls extremely well and allows the player a lot of freedom in achieving their goals. but the level design is shit, like you said, and that does drag the game down quite a bit. it also didn't feel like an MGS game and it's very obvious that Kojima probably didn't even want to make it an MGS game but was kind of forced to by Konami to make more money.

>>385054845
Is there a way to make her stop with that shit?

Also, any way to stop her slaughtering the entire base whenever I get caught? I've only just got her on my side in my game and I don't have the command to cease fire yet. I've failed that legendary gunman side op a few times now because she fucking shot him.

Imagine how much better the game would be if it had a multiplayer mode that just let you and your friends run around the map and go nuclear on the world together. What a missed opportunity.

>>385055017
Quiet was a shit character and shit partner so I didn't care when she left.

>>385054819
He's nice to have but doesn't really give you much of a boon. He's more of a quality of life buddy.

>>385055084
Don't get caught. I think I just let her go nuts on a few bases to level her up myself.

>>385055103
Metal Gear Survive is a thing

>>385055084
there are a couple mods, don't forget to experiment with buddy commands

>>385049195

This. I still watch the trailer every now and again

>>385054428
I mean, you should. assuming you've been kidnapping enough guys you should either have already researched some or be able to do so

>>385055084
>is there a way to stop her from humming
No. Deal with it.
>any way to stop her from slaughtering the entire base whenever I get caught?
Raise your bond and get her a tranq rifle. If you fuck up, she won't kill everyone, but you will have a ton of new slaves to fulton.
>>385054845
>>385055017
DELET THIS

>>385055296
No, he can be essential when you need to get around. You obviously don't know how to use him well.

fun fact: if you play the tape of quiet humming it improves your aim while sniping

>>385055306
Yeah, but it has shitty zombie crap instead of the regular enemies.

>>385055306
>Survife?

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>>385055306
Survive is not a real game

>>385054656
I remember Sahelanthropus spamming that shit in its boss battle. good times. shame it turns out it folds like tissue paper against LMG fire. its just not as fun as taking it down with rockets+quiet+air support+whatever vehicles you can mad dash to before they disentigrate

>>385055746
>they never let you use that shotgun

why it gotta be so incomplete

>>385055582
They aren't zombies, they're cuhreechurs.

>>385055430
Maybe I played the game wrong but I was pretty much never in a situation where I needed to get around with a speed faster than running, and those few times that I did I could just get a jeep.

>>385055894
Is that Latin for zombie?

What was the point of the tweest ending when he just gave it away in like the first 10 minutes of the game? Not sure what was up with that. I mean did anyone apart from maybe people who's first game was TTP think you played as the real Boss?

>>385055901
>I was pretty much never in a situation where I needed to get around with a speed faster than running
That's not what I meant

>>385053117
sauceeeee

>>385049191
But MGS has had a laughable story all the way through.
It's the proof that writing in videogames will always be a big, fat joke.

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>>385056130
I did.

I missed out on all the trailers and just assumed BB got fucked up from the crash but later on got the horn surgically removed because of fancy technology. It wasn't until they said Eli's DNA wasn't a match that it clicked.

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I liked it desu

>>385056229
Then what did you mean?

He was essential to get around a game where it's not very essential to get around?

Actually I digress, he was pretty useful in that shitty destroy the tanks mission, but that is the only moment I remember him being anywhere near "essential".

>it's a "we've run out of Konami money so maybe go back and play all those other missions with some arbitrary restrictions to fill time by the way we didn't finish the game sorry" episode

What did notorious hack fraud Hideo Kojima mean by this?

>>385056130
honestly when I first booted the game up and that face creator popped up, I thought that they were pulling a Raiden and that you'd play as this new created character and not Big Boss, then it switched over to his face after that and I was confused but suspected the twist until it unsurprisingly was revealed. They should've just had you knowingly play as this new created character with their face and a different code name rather than the fake Boss twist.

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>MGS is finally dead
>the last MGS games have been one disaster after the other
>only thing left for this shitheap of a franchise is some COD-tier zombie turd
>MGS redditors on suicide watch for 2 years now
Glorious.

>>385056343
You don't even have to watch the trailers.
>oh hey, there is a really experienced guy in front of me that has the same voice as Boss, uses the same phrases as Boss and uses the same moves as Boss, I'm sure that can't be Big Boss

Also why the medic of all people?
>we need to fake replace the best solder in the world
>yeah let's get the medic, not the sharpshooter or experienced infiltrator

>>385056986
It's highly implied he was more than just a combat medic, with Big Boss referring to Venom as one of his best men.

>>385056986
Big Boss says "he was always our best man." Of course more than anything that's just a sly reference to the player.

>>385056986
Medic was the only other person who survived the crash. Also he was one of their best soldiers.

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>another forced combat mission

hahah yeah these are fun!

>>385056130
the twist wasn't so much that you weren't playing as big boss, but that big boss straight up abandoned MSF and Miller, and saw them as just another tool in his proxy war against Zero. the real big boss didn't give a single shit about getting revenge against XOF, and he didn't care if you succeeded or failed so long as you didn't get yourself killed too soon

>>385056986
Venom was basically the S+++ in all aspects type of soldier from Peace Walker.

>>385048849
Ground Zeroes was fantastic. Phantom Pain was a shit version of Ground Zeroes, stretched really thin over a needlessly massive game.
The open world and base management aspects contribute nothing, and GZ packed more variety into 6 missions than TPP did into 200.

>>385049245
This is the only good opinion posted.

>>385049245
I built but a single nuke because I wanted to dick around in permablood mode, and it got stolen in less than an hour after I finished it

Whats the quickest way to get rid of your horn? I accidentally went nuclear and I feel ashamed of my words and deeds.

>>385057931
>Ground Zeroes was fantastic.
No, it wasn't.
It was an incredibly casualized videogame that lacked everything that made previous MGS games good.
No technology, no challenge, no level design, no nothing.
MGSV was a fucking disaster since it's conception.

>>385058392
Uninstall it.

>>385057790
>the real big boss didn't give a single shit about getting revenge against XOF
I like how this reflects on Skull Face, too. Despite all his bombastic attempts at getting Big Boss's attention and sticking it to him, the reality is that Big Boss didn't give a single shit and immediately goes off to work on his pet project unperturbed. Similarly, Zero scoffs at Skull Face's parasite fixation and ultimately gets the last laugh despite his debilitation: the Patriots are already well underway. Skull Face is a vengeful loser unknowingly trapped between two monsters, which is why he's never able to escape his phantom status. The story as a whole is a clumsy mess, but there are some cool ideas in there thematically.

>>385058392
stop killing people, abduct more people, do some animal rescue. if there's any unique beasts you haven't gotten yet, go do that
also, steal and disarm nukes

>>385058392
Fulton some animals and rescue some prisoners.

>>385058392
http://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidvtpp/mods/45/?

this thing has an option to remove demon points if you don't want to
>grind in a singleplayer game

>>385058554
and the icing on the cake is that the tapes reveal Zero never actually acknowledged Big Boss as his enemy. right up until his brain when kaka, Zero still considered Big Boss his friend and sincerely believed that all he needed was the right cunning plan to win Big Boss back over to the side of the Patriots and they would be best buds again like he'd never left

>>385058392
The nightmares? They never go away, anon. Once you've been on the battlefield, tasted the exhilaration, the tension... it all becomes part of you.

Or just strap some goats to balloons.

>>385057931
GZ made me the most excited I'd been about a MGS game I'd ever been since playing the demo for the first game way back in the day.

Then 5 came along and it was maybe 12 hours of actual content stretched out more than goatse's asshole. I think the start of the game is fun when you're weak and vulnerable but unlocking more gadgets and things just makes the game ridiculously easy because you're using them in the same locations and scenarios you've already done a million times over.

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>>385058392
you have to stop. HE'S CLEARLY A WOLF GODDAMMIT, STOP CALLING HIM A DOG HE'S A WOLF, JUST LIKE ALL OF YOU

>>385049065
>people held off suicide for this
kind of ironic

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>>385048849
>Final thoughts on MGSV?

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>Be a prisoner, tortured and beaten daily by Soviet guards
>mysteriously rescued by one eyed horned man and taken back to his base
>Half of your former captors are already there and now your comrades

Diamond Dogs is a hellish existance

>>385058392
>check out the horn thing on youtube
>people are literally crying that they got the horn and how kojima is a piece of shit
why was this such a big deal? it's only a cosmetic difference

>>385059525
Big Boss wanted to have nukes and he's the hero of the series. Why the fuck am I being punished for following in his footsteps?

>>385058392
fultoning kids is the quickest way, but it will take forever. get a mod that disables demon venom, or removes demon points (Infinite Heaven has a feature like that)

>>385059459
you missed out the bit where you get tortured and beaten daily by an effeminate cowboy until you swear a blood oath to the horned man

It was good, but unfinished. Some things that were hinted at the trailers were a lot better than the story in the final product, like the inclusion of child soldiers.

All things considered, it's a lackluster story with a good engine/system behind it. The missions really needed some diversity as well, sadly it doesn't deliver on that aspect as well

>>385059389
MALE TO FEMALE
DINE

>>385049195
>>385055342

>replaying the kaz rescue mission with sins of the father in your head
>it'll never live up to what it could have been

>>385059459
>leave past grudges behind to fight for a good cause
>become a brotherhood
>YOU'RE FIRED

>>385049075
kys

>>385059631
>Big Boss
>hero of the series
Nope.

>>385049253
shut the fuck up you stupid cuck

this board doesn't have one unified opinion

kys

>>385059631
>he's the hero of the series
the whole twist of the first metal gear was that big boss was evil all along

>>385059525
this is what I'm talking about. I keep laughing at how upset he is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ux6MZ_olSA

>>385055430
>No, he can be essential when you need to get around
Bullshit, you always have a vehicle around the outsposts and even if they don't immediately have one there is always one at walking distance of it, I like the horse since it isn't an outright cheat but he is pretty fucking useless since he also can't go as fast as a car and tires rather quickly

>>385059673
>you missed out the bit where you get tortured and beaten daily by an effeminate cowboy until you swear a blood oath to the horned man

I never thought that the soldiers took much convincing to join. I thought that they were mainly kept in the brig to psychologically get over the shock of their new situation and acclimatize before joining the ranks.

Boss is world famous among soldiers. Getting snatched by Venom Snake and given a spot in his army is like getting kidnapped by Tom Brady because he wants you to play for the New England Patriots. It shouldn't take much convincing.

>>385060648
in both peace walker and phantom pain, a good chunk of soldiers spend some quality time in the brig getting 'persuaded' before they properly join your ranks

The gameplay and mechanics were top fucking notch. Never before has a stealth game felt so refined and fun to play while still presenting a challenge even when you were decked out with rocket fists and suppressors that never break. The transition from stealth to combat was not jarring because the gameplay could handle both so fantastically.

But the story sucked shit and there were too many bullshit extra padding missions. Scahalathanapuparoos, Eli and Psycho Kiddie were fucking stupid. Ocelot was mischaracterized as fuck.

>>385060558
>Bullshit, you always have a vehicle around the outsposts and even if they don't immediately have one there is always one at walking distance of it, I like the horse since it isn't an outright cheat but he is pretty fucking useless since he also can't go as fast as a car and tires rather quickly

D-Horse is very convenient. You can park him anywhere and then call him to you. He is way more maneuverable than a vehicle and is the better choice cross country. The horse is better for sneaking by bases really close and is faster than running.

D-Horse is the ideal choice for convenient travel while avoiding DD or Quiet which can make the game too easy.

>>385057790
This is a pretty interesting idea, but the execution was terrible. Instead of making it so you were the one setting up the child army in Zanzibar while big boss is elsewhere, or having you play as the real big boss without knowing, all you do is... Nothing. They could have made the twist work if venom at least did something relevant to the story, but he never did.

>>385060956
D-Horse is a joke when compared to Roach from TW3

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>all those fantastic mini-areas in Africa and Afghanistan that only get used once
The game is riddled with missed opportunities.

He truly was... The man who sold the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40QSd6ZtZfk

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>>385060648
If you were a specialist at an outpost and your men had just all been slaughtered and you carried off to an oil rig in the middle of the sea, would you willingly join and fight for the cause of the man who did this to you?


Ocelot is very good at his job.

>>385060956
Again, thats bullshit, ever base has enough space for you to drive by at full speed either in the car or truck and the only time you will call him is when you somehow managed to competely fuck up the mission by calling everybody, any mission that has you going to a outpost that has a vehicle you can simply take out the guards near the vehicle and just spring to it if you want to quickly go to another outpost.

It helps that the guards are blind as bats unless they are the sniper class that stays on top of buildings like in the airport, as a dedicated vehile even the robot is better

>>385061128
What are you babbling about? D-Horse has more functions in game than Roach. I'm not saying Roach is useless, as a catalyst for faster travel as well as mounted combat he serves his purpose well. Not to mention he is beautifully animated. But D-Horse serves many more functions with more fleshed out roles.

>>385060968
it was shot in the foot in concept. they wanted the players to feel used and dishonored, which requires everything venom did to have been a colossally pointless circlejerk of proxies fighting proxies, killing and dying on behalf of disinterested and distant masters. having what Venom did actually be important would remove that, which means you have to rewrite the whole story from the ground up to be about something else

>>385048849
Great game. I'm not a storyfag, so it didn't bother me that the plot was a mess.

>>385060648
>Getting snatched by Venom Snake and given a spot in his army is like getting kidnapped by Tom Brady because he wants you to play for the New England Patriots. It shouldn't take much convincing.
I'd rather die than play for the Patriots.

No amount of torture from Revolver Belichick will convince me otherwise

>>385061425
What the fuck, what roles does D-Horse do that Roach doesn't? They are just used to travel and thats fucking it, if you seriously try to sneak around using D-Horse thats fucking retarded and it would be like trying to sneak into a factory using a goddamn ford ranger by painting it black

>>385061460
I don't buy that meta explanation that much, desu. Feels more like a rationalization made afterwards, when people realized how lackluster the story was. Thing is, you still could have had venom doing stuff that didn't matter at all to the real big boss, but still had some relevance in the series. They already retconned everything to make it so the first big boss snake kills its actually venom, so why not have you be the guy that built Outer Heaven in Zanzibar? You can make the player feel even more used if he's killed by Snake after learning he was nothing but a proxy.

Or I don't know, invert everything. Make it so people think you are playing a fake big boss and have it turn out to be the real one in the end. The way they chose was the worst of both words: not doing anything remotely important and not playing as big boss

>>385061738
D-Horse is the best way to stop vehicles in the game by pooping on the road and causing them to crash

>>385048967
Exactly this

>>385061738
You actually can sneak up bases by throwing smoke grenades inside your jeep and then driving it around. It's stupid fun all around

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>>385048849
>No return to Camp Omega
>You don't kill Skullface since he gets crushed by the Metal Gear
>Chapter 2 is a retread of Chapter 1 with a higher difficulty
>None of the old massive arsenal you could carry like MGS 4
>Barren open world with barely anything to do
>Unnecessary FOB system just to sell MB coins and insurance
>Game closed the plot hole between MG 1 and 2 only to add more
>You don't get to go nuclear like the trailer
>Being forced to wait in real time for base building and item development

The game has so many flaws but the gameplay is still great

>>385062278
I thought they had patched it?

>>385062387
They might have. It's been a while since I played TPP

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>MGS5 was supposed to be about a soldier witnessing hell and going nuclear
>there was actually supposed to be a greater meaning to why a central female character dresses this way
>Kojima actually fucked it all up
>meanwhile Yoko Taro actually made a game with those concepts and actually did them well

>>385052717
>a mod to make the upgrade system less grindy
Its called cheats anon, making it require less GMP or getting more GMP than normal its a cheat, just like the jeep in aoe.

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I enjoyed the gameplay. I wish they finished the game though.

One year of dev time from being the objective greatest game of all time.

>>385049191
It still bothers me that TPP never explained how Ocelot went from being BB's enemy in 3 to being best buds with him afterwards.

>>385061738
You either didn't play the game that far at all, or are just a boring twat.
>hanging to the side to avoid detection from patrols and outposts
>using his shit to stop an entire convoy or watching a jeep full of enemies spin out of control and lose consciousness
>wiping out an entire base in stealth while on his back, hanging to the side and playing peek a boo with weapon of choice
It's been a while since I've played MGS5 but I had a lot of fun using D-Horse. I don't think I ever really drove a vehicle once after I started experimenting with the different ways D-Horse can mess with the AI.

>>385062575
Yeah, I enjoyed those plot points a lot too

>>385062875
Did you finish 3? He revealed he was only pretending to be retarded at the end.
Also He and Big Boss where part of the original patriots

>>385062875
they explained it in the post-game timelines and portable ops
Zero discovered that Ocelot was a Philosophers-trained schrodinger's agent and offered him a seat on the Patriots. Ocelot agreed only on the condition that Big Boss also be joining, which Zero was planning on anyway

Also, if you'll remember, Ocelot was ADAM and working for the CIA as well as the KGB. All through MGS3 he was merely pretending to try and kill Naked Snake and, well, love can bloom on the battlefield

>>385062875
He was never the enemy in 3. Also its pretty clearly explained that Big Boss was so cool that it gave Ocelot a lifelong boner and he dedicated his life towards helping him live out the Boss' will.

>>385049126
Caramel pls go.

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>Code Talker's VA recorded lines regarding his character's sexual excounters with a hamburger

>>385049370
>The Mansion
Nigger what, it was like 3 rooms of awkward bumbling through dumb enemies. Fucking Far Cry has better level design than MGSV.

>>385062875

It was explained in MGS3 you dumb fuck. Ocelot was ADAM. How can you be this retarded?

>>385063886
Knowing that Ocelot was a double agent only reveals that he wasn't BB's enemy, it does not explain how he came to be part of BB's posse.

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>>385063687

>>385048849
Just started chapter 2. Been pretty cool so far. Quiet is a top tier Waifu

>>385063983

It explains why they are best buds, which was the question in the post I quoted. How they became work partners is also hinted at in MGS3. Ocelot very obviously begins to fall for BB, romantically or otherwise, and joins the patriots. The patriots part is explained in further detail in MGS4 so there was no pressing need to go into in in MGSV.

>>385063983
Read >>385063070

>>385063983
>does not explain how he came to be part of BB's posse.
MGS3 makes it apparent they have mutual respect for each other, and EVA spills the beans on their history with the Patriots together in one of the game's several Metal Gear 101 lectures.

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>High rank soldier with Teoublemaker trait

>>385064603
I will throw any motherfucker that starts shit or smells like shit out, regardless of rank. Fuck those guys.

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Disappointing game, and moved on from the franchise. Threads went from comfy discussions to autistic screeching.

It's a great game for being an operative. I suspect this is why they made that avatar creator in the beginning of the game. It's fun to complete these missions pretending you are some no name soldier rather than Big Boss. As a Metal Gear Game...it's shit.

>AS I BECOME MORE PRESENT NOW

>>385049042
So just like Kojima then

There are not enough Kaz memes in this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZY7QCBMWoE