Overwatch isn't dying they said.

>>385042797
It was until you started talking about it

They'll just make orisa or any other meh character OP just to "mix it up"

Me and my friends have already moved on to Gigantic™

>>385043210
Is gigantic free?

>>385042797
Don't worry, based Jeff Kaplan will soon swoop in and totally own that nerd's ass with his witty commentary. All hail Jeff Kaplan for he can do no wrong.

>the cartoon styled shooter genre died within a year
>TF2 is still going strong

top fucking kek

>>385042797
was obvious, Azk will go back to CS anyway now hes unbanned, OW is shit

>>385042797
Your other thread is still up, OP.

>>385043250
Free-ish.
5 free heroes, 30 bucks to play as all of them and any future ones, or 10 bucka to unlock 8 of them.

>>385042797
Can confirm game is dead.

>>385042797
>have a roster of 30 characters
>only 6 are relevant, 4 of which being mandatory if you want to not throw a match

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>385042797
I stopped playing the game after the anniversary event which was just yet another event that was nothing more than "Buy these loot boxes got, you wouldn't want to miss out on these limited time items".

>>385042797
I think these people are just now realizing that Overwatch is a marketing scam that preys on the people who were feeling unsatisfied with TF2.

>>385043507
You unlock without paying?

>>385042797
thank god

>>385042797
>believing anything on the "I want a special queue without mercy ots" forum

DSPStanky posted a vid yesterday, Codey quitting the meta where Sombra has turned into a literal counter to everything is also one of the biggest jokes I've ever heard

I don't like Overwatch really so not defending them but it can't be easy to keep a roster that size balanced, especially when you're adding in characters.

I got bored after a month. regret buying it

>>385043393
Makes me crack up every single fucking time. Valve doesn't have to do fucking anything and TF2 will still be played

>>385042797
>game gets a good year of popularity
>surprised it dies

>>385044063
Yeah, you can. Takes a while though.

>>385043663
more like 11-12

with only 3 being actually mandatory (Winson, D.Va and Lucio), which is still fucking shit don't get me wrong

>>385042797
Blizzard yet again killing other game, they already made bank on launch so no reason for them to balance the game

Dive just sucks because you have easy heroes (D.Va, Winston) outplaying skill-intensive characters by just holding right or left click on them, and not having those 2 exact tanks is essentially a loss already. Also please bring Ana back blizz I miss her so much

>>385042797
was never alive

>>385044380
I bet you were one of the people who originally said that OW wasn't just a fad.

>>385042797
I've seen so many mercy only mains in grandmaster. She is required in every match, she's easy to play, and anyone who plays her rarely can play another hero because those take more than just hiding and floating around and pressing Q.

And for some reason women are the majority of these players, and they always duo que with someone.

The game is boring, the only variation in gameplay comes from the abilities of characters yet only a portion of the roster is viable. The game would have better longevity if it was more skill based and the community had the ability to make maps and game modes like TF2.

>the best sombra is quitting

Oh no, the only sombra is quitting. bummer.

Why do people make threads about Overwatch dying every 5 minutes?

>>385044246
It's not like they are actively trying, the blizzard way of balance patches is to do them at a snails pace no matter the game in question

>>385044223
>ots
?

>>385043393
How is it that TF2 is going strong if it has way less players than Overwatch will have in the next 10 years

>>385043393
If by "going strong" you mean "has a small autistic fanbase who refuses to leave because they've spent $4000 in crates on the game and refuse to let that go to waste" then yes.

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>>385042797

>casual moba shooter designed for literal retards
>"competitive"

>>385042797
meanwhile league of legends will probably last a decade or two lul. serves overwatch right.

>>385044721
It's a demoralizing tactic, to make people not play it because they don't like it.

But what they don't understand is, if someone is having fun with the game, they're not going to stop playing it

>>385044845
It's not a MOBA or a MOBA shooter.

>>385042797
God I'm seriously bouncing up and down from happiness
We finally did it, things looked rough but we weathered the storm for a year and now not only is OW finally fucking dead, but TF2 is more popular than ever. Thank fucking god

>>385042797
>Some literal random 13 y/o dude's opinion and anecdotal evidence on a shitty forum
>somehow indicative of a game's status

Judging by the amount of porn the game is better than ever.

>who the fuck cares for cancer esport?
>look! dozens of professional overwatch players are leaving the game behind!

Pick one

>>385044987
I know, and this newest TF2 update adds so much shit to the game it's not even funny.

>>385044930
Isn't even HotS doing better than Overwatch?

>>385044939
Makes sense. I dont play as often nowadays and usually only go back for the updates and events, but how autistic do you need to be to constantly lie about a game dying on /v/ because you don't like it?

>>385042797
Tim players the game over 12 hours every day. I don't blame him for getting burned out.

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>1 year after release
>4 new heroes, 3 niggers and 1 horse robot (made by a nigger)
>2 new maps
>most of released content are skins

gee I wonder why people are leaving

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>>385042797
>famous players
Not even reading beyond the headline. Nothing important to see here.

>>385045078
b-b-but it has a lot of upvotes, it has to be true and shit, it just like reddi... ooooh

>>385045206
i'm not sure but i wouldn't be surprised. Hots is more fun than league and overwatch

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>>385044624
seriously what is it with women and picking only Mercy or D.Va

I know a few girls who play OW, about 12-13ish I don't feel like counting right now, and 1 of them is a Phara main, 2 of them play flex and the rest are D.Va mains or Mercy mains, with mercy being in the vast majority

>ywn have a qt3.14 gf pocket you as you spam "I need healing"
fuck this gay earth

>>385045176
They are popular streamers, not pros. People are fed up and tgey are losing viewers.

>>385044246

You could pretty easily if you were competent. Freakishly high levels of player power combined with low actual player skill, ranked 6v6 only formats, healer/tank/dps dividing lines with zero flexibility, incredibly low TTKs in high level games, the removal of many integral parts of FPS games which ends up being a removal of a possible balance path (ammo stock, movespeed, recoil)

Blizzard has done everything they possibly could to make it impossible to balance the game. This, on top of their already terrible balance sense, means that OW will never be anything more than a shallow game you only play when you're drunk with friends. All the money in the world doesn't change how boring the game is. New characters will only be useless or meta-fresh.

>>385045280
TF2 had less updates within a year.

>>385042797
that's just high level tournament overwatch though, which I'm fine with dying
casual overwatch to fuck around and comp overwatch when you want to git gud is where the fun is
E-SPORTS is shit

The problem is obvious, and it's been obvious from the get-go; the skill ceiling simply isn't high enough.

Matches in Overwatch get stale extremely fast because there's no feeling of rewarding the individual for his skill.

If you play CS and you're doing really good, there's a distinct feeling that you as an individual player are doing really good. In Overwatch everything just feels so inconsequential at the individual level that it gets fucking boring.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6p5xmx/dspstanky_moving_away_from_overwatch_in_the/

the community is sad

>>385045359

It was the first of its kind, it was new and the times were simpler. Not to mention that it was way cheaper than OW and didn't have any direct competition.

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>>385042797
But who cares? It's a fucking blizzard game. even if a bunch of "famous players" (lmao) leave, the game is still a success and tons of people will still play it no matter how shit it is or becomes.
>caring about professional players for a forced esport

>>385044636
pretty much this. In Blizzard's obsession with making the game "accessible", they made it so that the skill floor is extremely close to the skill ceiling for most heroes, effectively removing any incentive to try to improve with 90% of the cast. The only reason non-pros even play anymore is to get loot boxes, and the only reason pros even play anymore is to get money. There is no incentive to do anything else.

>>385045554
TF2 was the same price as Overwatch when it launched.

>competitive gaming

One good way to ruin video games

>>385045554
OW is arguably the first of its kind as well. It's a moba/FPS hybrid. In fact Overwatch spawned a ton of competitors like Paladins.

>Not to mention that it was way cheaper than OW
I thought it was only $10 cheaper and even then that's only if you value the other two games.

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>>385045608
Overwatch ftp when?

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>>385045608

only if you mean the Orange Box, and it had way more value than OW has today in terms of content. You got 3 games after all.

>>385045758
Overwatch is not a moba/FPS hybrid. It is an FPS with 1 moba element.

>Every new character requires at least 3 solid months of design work and prepping before being released to test for nearly a month
>Maps take even longer to make

Blizzard needs to streamline their design process or some shit, people are getting burned out because theres only like 5 good heroes and the rest are easily counterable-trash that only pick on idiots who can't play.

Also nearly every map in this game is aids, the moonbase is fucking miserable to play on.

>>385042797
Friendly reminder that dive meta is the most braindead of all we had.

>>385045758
No, TF2 was priced the same. However it was bundled with Portal and HL2. I know a lot of people had HL2 already, but I don't remember if Portal was sold standalone at the time.

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>Literal who nobody could care any less about and i never heard leaves game
>BOO HOO LE GAME IS DEAD NOW! SAD!
Between this and the youtubers thread we are having now i cannot choose the biggest tumor.

>>385045778
You do realize TF2 was not always free to play right?

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I deleted it from my HDD
I really have no desire to play it ever again. I don't think they can do anything that will fix it.

>>385045789
Well yes because that was the only way to get it. What the fuck else would I be talking about?

>>385045840
Blizzard has no idea how to counter it either, since they will never remove Lucio's wall riding acceleration or speed boost.

I feel like they just need a lower damage but super high sustain character who can anchor fights.

>>385044801

I seriously doubt Overwatch with its content leak compared to TF2's ocean of content will ever maintain the population. Overwatch is a dripfeed of maps and characters and the former is valuable in keeping a FPS alive.

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I called this shit happening when OW was first released. Like no shit the game was going to see a huge burst in popularity and then just drop the fuck off majorly after a year. Happened with SC2, happened with D3, HotS was never popular so it doesn't count. HS is the only game that managed to avoid this shit.

It also proves that it doesn't matter who the game director is in a Blizzard game. People who assigned Kaplan some messianic status are fucking mongoloids because the problems besetting OW right now are so similar to SC2 WoL's problems a year after release that I have to laugh at some of the deja vu. Dustin Browder, Jay Wilson, Jeff Kaplan, there is literally no difference in these people if they're working at Blizzard because the corporate and creative culture there overrides everything.

>>385046020
I think OW will easily last as long as TF2. I mean you had /v/ claiming it would die in one week, then one month, then three months, then by the end of the year, then...

However Blizzard will have to make it F2P at some point just like TF2 to survive.

>>385045883
Yes, that's why I have my vintage equipment
But the question here is when are we getting FTP overwatch?

>>385042797
>Game is dying because e-celebs aren't playing it
I hate this sight

>>385045913
this

>>385045608
Yeah same price for a game box which contained bunch of nice games and not only tf2

Like, at least try man.

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>>385046140
When it stops being profitable in it's current form.

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>>385042797
>One player quits after 400+ hours
>Games dead kek
?

>>385042797
>famous players

Is this what actually fucking matters to modern gamers?

>>385042797

>Blizzards balancing kills another game

Oh boy, didn't see this coming.

>>385045913
I deleted it as well but reinstalled it when they annouced Doomfist
haven't played him yet because I don't have a desire to fuck with PTR, I'm hoping they didn't fuck him up

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>>385044845
>mfw this applies to CSGO too
Decent shooters with good performance and content barely exist these days.

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>Make casual shitter friendly assfaggots: fps edition
>put in literal aim bots
>have aoe healers in an fps

>Call it an esport and put in a """"competitive"""" mode

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>lose a game
>-40SR
>win a game
>+4SR
gee whizz blizzard, your competitive systems are swell

>Let's take the worst elements of FPS and put them together with the worst elements of Mobas and make a new exciting genre.
Team brawls fps like overshit and paladins are not real shooter, they are casual sperg parties.

>>385042797

It's a multiplayer only game it wasn't going to make it more than a few years at best

IT'S EASY TO BE BORED WHEN YOU'RE A ONE TRICKING FAGGOT

GOOD, LET THIS FUCK FUCK OFF FROM THIS GAME
HE NEVER SWITCH AT ALL
HE'S GOOD ON LUCIO, BUT NOTHING ELSE

>>385046337
So holding m1 as medic is better than an aoe heal? I don't get your logic anon.

>>385046085

Unfortunately, the games still maintain a ridiculous amount of popularity. I still can't believe people are still playing Diablo III/SC II but they're there. Blizzard still commands a legion of Blizzard only fans who don't see Activision lubing up for anal. OW will last for a long time, but most sane players will have moved on from the mental deathtrap that is ranked play.

What did everyone expect? After 10 years of working on Titan, all they had to show for it was one pvp mode, and they packaged it up and sold it at full price.
It's supposed to be about superheroes and supervillains yet all you do in the game is just fight each other for no reason. How can anyone defend this?

Overwatch type of games are to shooters what MOBAs are to RTS. A dumbed down casual catering turds.
If you play them you should commit suicide.

>>385046253
>tfw have over 10 times that many hours on tf2
>still have fun playing it

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>>385046351
>gee fix your irrelevant ranking system of your irrelevant game

>>385043210
Fuck off, no one cares about your shit indie game
I'm sorry, I just wish there was a ps4 port

>>385042797
>'hardcore' players leaving

can't really blame them.

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>>385046474
>he thinks I play tf2 the original no skill casual team fps

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>>385045975
>design hypermobile characters
>make it so they're comparable to characters with no mobility skills in combat thanks to their kit and mobility in particular
>ok
>but said hypermobile characters can get back into combat after dying faster thanks to their mobility
>who could have thought that we will end up having braindead dive meta?????
I wonder.

Its funny that you think because a few literal whos? say they're bored of the game, that the playerbase is just going to go AW WELL FUCK IT YA? DSPDUNKEY QUIT THIS GAME NO LONGER IS FUN, ONLY REASON I PLAYED IT WAS FOR COMPETITIVE CUZ I THOGT MAYBE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE I COULD GO PRO AND HAVE BRAGGING RIGHTS AND FEEL RELEVANT WELL DEN OWL JUS WAIT AND SEE WAT ELSE IS RELEVANT OH LOOK PUBG ILL GIV DAT A GO, OH BUT WAIT THERES NO COMPETITVE SCENE ROIT DEN BUT THE GAME IS FUN SO FK WHO THIS RANDOM SHIT POSTER THINKS SPAMMING THESE OW IS DYING THREADS BECUZ HEZ MUMM DOESNT LOVE HIM RIGHT, IM GOING BACK TO OW BECAUSE U KNO WAT FUCK IT, IT IS A FUN GAME AND HWO GIVES A FK ABOUT STREAMERS OH AND BTW NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WESTERN PROS, ONLY THING WORTH WATCHING IS THE KOREANS. AV'E A GOOD DAY CUNT

>>385046137
blizz have already made more money than god off of OW, they have no incentive to make it f2p

you're delusional
>>385044779
one tricks

>>385046298
they apparently nerfed him before he even came out

>>385043393
The only people still playing TF2 are furries.

Lack of a map editor killed the game.

If they would JUST fucking buff Torb, Junkrat, and Bastion, and nerf Defense Matrix, dive would be dead.

But no. Let's just keep buffing Hanzo every patch because of the "Hanzo mains are ruining the game" meme

>>385046961
I'm not a furry

t. 50 hours on TF2 in the last week

>>385043210
This, went back to Dirty Bomb too.

>>385044246
Dota manages to have 100+ heroes relatively balanced, I'm sure the OW devs can handle 30

>kids think their game is "dying" because some youtubers are bored with it
Top lel

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>montecristo left LoL bucks cause rito wouldnt support his gay agenda

>>385047010
>Defense Matrix
>D.va S2
>people complain about her survivabilty
>they nerf her damage and buff DM
>D.va players are mad, literally thousands of complains
>Everyone else is mad too
Good one, blizzard.

i don't see why blizzard doesn't make the game extremely hard to play like broodwar, then 99% of people can't take advantage of "meta" or "good strats," and even when you can there will always be someone mechanically better to rape your face

>>385044223
here's the fresh and spicy meme this guy was talking about

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17616381531

>>385046961
It's mainly children, third worlders, and autists who can't let go.

But yeah TF2 is basically a corpse at this point.

>tfw have a nephew who plays TF2 literally because it's the only game other than Minecraft and Roblox he can run on his dad's shitty laptop

>>385046919
he still has a oneshot ability for anyone 250hp and under, and it doesn't take too much work. his gun is capable, and he is a shit tornado of CC effects. also...300+ effective hp in combat. along with the other hero changes, the meta is on its head when he's released and that's a good thing

>>385043507
I don't see it on steam

>>385047278
because theyre not interested in making a good game

because they dont actually care about esports

because all they want is to sell skins to little kids and gurlgamers

Reminder Rainbow Six is more alive than Overwatch

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>>385047010
>buffing trashbjorn
no thanks

>>385046643

PAY

>>385047905
consolebabby spotted

I dropped it too but it lasted a year for me and I reached top 500 in the last season so I feel like I got everything I wanted to achieve in Overwatch.

I got my money's worth for sure and I might return once there's some more content.

>>385045595
>He thinks general success is enough for activision blizzard

TWENTY MILLION BUY IN

They'll never stop trying to make an esport caliber game since they gave up the golden goose that was Dota 2.

>>385047010
>buff torb
kek. Torb is fine.
>buff junkrat
That could be interesting.

>>385046363
> Paladins
Kill yourselve, you obviously never played it to say some bullshit like that.

>>385047753
http://store.steampowered.com/app/327690/Gigantic/

all we need now is a video of TB whining about people saying "ded gaem" and the blizzard cycle is complete

>>385048030
I dont even play the game but

>game is on pc and console
>harder on console
>pc call em consolebabby

What a day.

I don't buy into the game is dead shit, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have more fun just in QP than Comp, and that was not the case in previous seasons.

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it's dying due many reasons (most related to lack of actual content) but what pisses me off the most is the nerf rotation (Blizz calls it ''balance''). Every damn week a hero is nerfed, just to be buffed in the next patch, and so on.

Why care so much about balance, jesus fucking christ, pretty much all characters have 1 HKO skills anyway.

>>385043663
Meta only applies to pro games... it doesn't matter to 99% of the player base you dumb fuck

>>385048225
that's only for sc2 because it actually IS a dead game, rightfully slain by the ghost of broodwar as it should have been 7 years ago. TB is just a casual apologist, that's why he gets banned off of teamliquid time and time again

>>385042797
stansky?
That faggot that plays only one hero, plays him in the most annoying, not necessary most useful way
He is shit, the only reason as to why he was so high was that he was tilting people, nothing more nothing less in reality he plays like shit

>>385046961
Damn I need to play some tf2 then

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>>385047328
Can some explain this meme to me? I'm a numbers guy. I look up steam charts for TF2 every time one of these posts get made. The game is 10 years old and has a consistent player base of 50k that jumps to around 70k every major event/patch. This is an objective numbers fact. You can say a game is bad/I quit/I don't like it. But why do people lie about easy to obtain open info. The game isn't dead. No matter how much you want it to be. http://steamcharts.com/app/440

So why lie? Just why?

>>385042797
I haven't played in a long time, what is "dive meta"?

>>385048226
All FPS games are harder on console because of controllers. The game shouldn't be balanced around idiots that purposely gimp themselves.

>>385048169
>Torb is fine
Then why isn't he getting used outside of Orisa + Sym teams?

>>385048374

Pros define the meta you dimwit. Even without some stupid esports scene good games are always balanced around the best players, not vice versa.

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>>385048226
>harder on console
which is why everyone who gets a decent KB+M setup on console goes top 500 right?

>>385045358
Best post in the thread. You all should've seen this coming when we got news that the game would feature infinite ammo.

>>385048226
It's technically harder on gamepads, not on console.

In fact, if your controller is trash and is not suited for shooters it doesn't mean that the game is hard.

>>385042797
as soon as your IQ goes above 80 or you turn 20, one or the other

>>385044246
It's not necessarily a matter of balance, but an issue of incapability.
"Hero" games where each character is so fucking limited they can't actually do anything on their own is obviously going to bench all but the most optimal few.
All of the OW characters except a select few (surprise it's the versatile ones that are in the meta) are reduced to their one gimmick and their ultimate, and they have almost zero ability to branch out beyond that super niche role.

They need to overhaul almost everyone so that each of them can properly contribute in any situation, because "changing characters is a core element of Overwatch" is fucking retarded and wrong. Give everyone more tools at their disposal at once. At a minimum, everyone should have the kind of versatility that Lucio - the ever present 100% pickrate hero - has.

>>385048527
Winston D. Va Pharah Mercy Lucio Genji/Tracer
Comp is based around jumping into the enemy team's backlines and wiping the team's healers then mopping up the tanks.
Heroes that are meant to be defensive and counter this comp like Junkrat, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Roadhog, Mei, etc are all too weak/get countered by this comp, so Defense usually ends up running dive, too.

isn't every streamer moving over to the new fad battlegrounds?

>>385044845
>someone who unironically uses the term "MOBA" calls other people retards

Kill
Your
Self

Moba is THE most retarded term ever created. It can mean literally anything

Multiplayer Online Battle Arena
Even a fucking counter strike counts

Even the term ASSFAGGOTS is more accurate

this game isnt even hard with PS4 controller, not like you need aiming skill anyway

>>385048536
If a torb onetrick like fuey500 can make it into top 250, he's fine. Not supremely good, but fine.

>>385047987
FOR

We did it bros. We f*cking did it.

>>385048219
My b, paladins is a pay to win card based shooter with op cards that you can only get by spending real money

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>>385045280
I've been saying this all year. The game gets zero fucking content and it was already heavily lacking on release. How can anyone not see this is beyond me.

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>>385048836

>reddit spacing
>getting this mad over a term for a genre in a context where it doesnt matter

>>385048850
There's also a Junkrat main in the top 500. All that means is that that person is good with a suboptimal character. If fuey or Chro invested the same amount of time in Pharah or Soldier or Genji, they would be able to climb higher.

Of course Torb and Junkrat can be good in 6the right hands, according to Overbuff, I'm the #105th Junkrat in competitive on PC. I'm good with Junkrat. But characters like Winston and D. Va are good in ANY hands. And that's poor balancing.

This game will be dead within 2 years

>Too few maps and no option to chose maps you want to play
>Too few gamemodes, and they're removed any time there's a new event
>Competitive is not fun at all
>No solo queue
>No punishment for toxic players
etc.

>>385048881
MY

>>385047856
not after opeartion health it isnt

>>385046732
Then what do you play anon?
What game makes healers fun to play?
Pro tip none do.

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>>385042797
fuck this game and fuck what it did to my friends, made them all competitive fucks that take the game too seriously and quit other games we used to love playing together

>>385048527
you get
>a high mobility offense heroes (genji/tracer)
>a music nigga
>the flying braindead lesbian combo
>a winston, who jumps straight into the enemy team, followed by a Dva holding defensive matrix
you wipe the enemy team in 5 seconds and there's nothing they can do about it
after that their mercy flies in, resurrects the 5 of them
rinse repeat

the only players benefiting from this are the mercy players due to the retarded SR system
they gain roughly 40 SR / win, and lose 15

soloQ revolves around having the least amount of mercy mains on your team

>>385049393
your friends were cunts before, it just drove that cuntiness to the surface

>>385047856
Operation Health killed the game. Even die hard streamers are slowly dropping it.

>>385046639
Nah m8 team-fortress died a horrible cancerous death as soon as it went F2P.

Paladins is unironically the better game, with better support

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>>385049393
>Not playing and enjoying both
Gaywad

>>385049423
P L A T I N U M

BOO HOO LE REDDIT IS UPSET BY YOUTUBER NOT PLAYING THE GAME ANYMORE.

SAD!

TF2

>bundled with singleplayer games at launch
>bad maps are played at first and eventually skipped and removed
>could play stock game settings or server tweaked game settings
>devs would occasionally update over time but nothing too crazy
>Eventually player created content and modes started flooding in which could change how the game looks or plays
>There was no serious meta outside of comp faggotry and you could generally win with anything

OW
>MP only
>all the maps and modes are bad
>Have to choose between stock or dev approved games mods at first
>updates are rare and mostly skins or balanace changes mid season
>no player created content outside of custom game modes most of which consist of cranking stats to max for easy kills
>meta changes depending on what char gets buffed by bliz

>>385048836
>It can mean literally anything
that applies to over half of all the genres in vidya

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>>385042797
>>385045280
>>385045913
>tfw the breath of fresh air of having Overwatch deleted and not seeing the application icon on your screen
Probably the biggest regret of my video game history.

>>385049393

Same. I saw the writing on the wall during beta and basically opted out of ranked play once season 2 rolled around and a meta started solidifying. Blizzard's "everyone can be a compeititve gamer :^)" shtick poisoned his mind and he's talking class meta or screaming at his teammates even though he was always mediocre. Talks about grinding ranked points in OW like we give a shit about how he fluctuates ~100 points every week but always returns to the same amount because he, like most OW players, have hit their skill cap ages ago.

>>385049704

At least Blizzard isn't ran by some fat fuck who refuses to release the third installment of a certain FPS franchise.

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>>385042797
It's boring. It's that game you play when you're drunk and want to waste some time. It eats up time but is in no way challenging, fun, or competitive.

Of course people have moved on. It doesn't help that Blizzard is retarded and can't balance worth a damn, and that every new character they've released has been trash.

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>>385042797
>he finds dive THAT unfun

What a faggot

>>385049528
You forgot its also balanced better

>>385046639
>>still have fun playing it

You need to leave /v/. The game went to shit a long time ago.

>>385049936

Instead it's run by fucking idiots who keep content locked away till a certain time or don't bother giving any content till people start complaining

Try again, faggot

>"Dive comp isn't fun!"

LOL it's still a HUGE improvement on the mandatory 3 tank meta. D-va and Roadhog deserved their nerfs.

>>385042797
That's the fate of shallow casual games without the amount of casts that other shallow game like LOL have.

>>385050032
there's less room for outplay than there was with triple tank

although a d.va shitter wouldn't know about outplaying

When did "famous" players become an important factor in a video game's life? Who really gives a shit?

TF2 really is just overall a better game than Overwatch.

It's funny because what ruined TF2 was getting way too much low-quality content.
Overwatch has the exact opposite problem in that it has far too little content.

>>385050187
D. Va is still massively overpowered and will be until DM gets nerfed
Roadhog deserved a nerf but was overnerfed

>>385044246
Dota and League are pretty balanced with 100s of characters. HotS was balanced too until they added Overwatch characters

honestly the only good things about overwatch now is how polished it remains, the netcode (excluding some edge cases), and the ladder ranks looking pretty

and cheeseguns that aren't behind a $50+ paywall TF2

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>>385043210
>Gigantic
>Tumblr faces and art-style
Dropped

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>destroy your games esports potential by announcing a NBA-style franchising league and then proceeding not the tell anything more about it for a year

What did Blizzard mean by this?

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>>385050402

>how polished it remains
>the netcode

>>385050402
and, you know, the game basically being hack free compared to valve games

and having an actual comp scene...

I know /v/ never played comp tf2 but people don't realize that right before OW was released there was a massive internal banwave in highlander TF2 because just about every high ranking sniper hacked

>>385046961
Oh... damn, I guess you win this argument.

>>385050460
>destroy potential
>they already have their team locations and owners named
they just poured a ridiculous amount of money into OWL and freelance small-group teams are dropping like flies. it's in limbo now but will be bigger than ever

>>385049936
Please remind me how many game modes and maps you can play in OW not counting time based vs tf2

>>385050614
/v/ tends to forget all of the bad parts of TF2's lifespan.

Like all the hackers, the atrocious comp balance, the shitty MM launch, etc.

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>friends nag me to get Overwatch
>"why? it's just TF2 with a worse community and press Q to win"
>"oh, it's fun anon, just get it, you'll like it"
>get the game
>it's okay.
>then everyone stops playing a week later
>"yeah, anon. we're done with OW, it's too toxic"

who /refusestolistentofriend'sreccomendations/ here?

>>385050614
kek, that banwave was amazing. Some faggot hacker had his main account banned with over $20,000 worth of hats and cosmetics

>>385050242
Pros are autistic fucks who can play a game for 8 hours a day. If even they find a game boring you know it's in a bad place.

>>385049423
has music nigga ever been out of the meta at any point?

>>385050245
TF2 also have a shit ton of custom maps, mechanics, game modes, and stuff to play around with.

>>385050737
not him, but i have yet to see anyone make an argument FOR those shitty gamemodes tf2 has. it's full of memey little shitty gamemodes nobody plays. just because you can doesn't mean anyone should.

>>385050846
There was one point when he was outclassed by Ana and Zen.

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>Mercy gets invulnerability when resurrecting everyone

Why though? It's instant, there's no fucking risk if you get to be invincible while doing it.

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>mfw 2020 will be the year Dirty Bomb kills Overwatch

Time's ticking Overtoddlers, better get playing DB right now and actually learn how to fucking aim before the game is released

>>385045928
no it wasn't

>>385050614
>I know /v/ never played comp tf2
Because "comp" TF2 is a joke. Nothing tops a server filled with regulars actively trying to win, while still having fun. Valve trying to turn TF2 into something it's not only hurt the game.

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>>385043393
Get ready to add it to the list!

>>385050970
It's to make girls feel like they can be good at fps games too.

>>385050996
hes referencing the real tf2 comp community, not the shoehorned in ""comp mode""

>>385050970
>It's instant,
It's actually not instant. They nerfed it last year, which was the main reason why she stopped seeing play.

>>385051024
>TF2killers
>implying TF2 is still alive at all

literally nobody cares about that shitfest anymore

>>385050402
>and cheeseguns that aren't behind a $50+ paywall

you can get all the guns for free. you can even rent flavor of the month guns from the store.

>>385049704
TF2 allows players to swap weapons

OW does not

This kills your games lifespan
Drops your skill floor
Not even the normiest of norms stick around as there is zero variety and blizz are fuckers for release OP character then nerfing once everyone buys shit for it.

>>385050913
I definitely can't argue with that, even without the memey game modes there still more than overwatch's abysmal game modes

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2-2-2 meta was the best meta in OW history

prove me wrong
>>385050996
says the pub babby

comp highlander was literally just what you described, but with better players, a bigger community, and more balance

>>385050242
>AAA dev releases a game; game is marketed to the pseudo-competitive audience as well as casuals. Huge money is in spectating/E-Sports. Competitive players play, casuals spectate
>Therefore, this casual game must also contain enough depth to keep competitive players hooked and stay fresh so they don't want to leave
>If competitive players stop playing, then spectators will have nothing to watch and the E-sports revenue is gone. Not only that, but a huge (practically free) marketing force dies as well

Casuals who are invested in the game look up to these 'famous' players. If the players they like stop playing (or worse, they express negativity about the game) then the casual's mind will think it's a dead game.

The big players are leaving. The casuals are beginning to stop caring about the game. Viewership is way down, and no one takes the game with any seriousness. I'm not saying it needs to be taken serious, but it marks an important event in a game's lifespan.

>Blizz puts on attitude of constant updates, changes, and retains a huge audience
>Blizz reached their projected profit margin at some point. They stopped making changes to the game and likely moved resources to other projects
>Overwatch is on life support; Blizz never intended the game to last after seeing how much of a cash explosion the game was upon release
>They'll release just enough updates to keep the whale casuals happy and buying their shit

>>385051024
>Team fortress 2
>still alive
kek

>>385051024
TF2 killed itself.

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>Be Bobby Kotick
>Throws millions of dollars at a shitty TF2 clone to force the game to become an eSport
>Get your billionaire friends in the NFL and MLB to join in
>Decide to not realize critical details about the league, leaving everyone in the dark
>Teams start bailing in droves, unsure of what you're even doing
>Will most likely try and pin the blame on a "lack of interest"
>Proceed to slowly kill the game off and lay off the entire Overwatch Team, including Kaplan
>Not afraid because you shareholders know Call of Duty and WoW microtransactions and sales will easily make up all that money you pissed away

Bobby Kotick in a nutshell

>>385042797
Are people finally realizing that overwatch was never that good and indeed is one of the dullest big multilayer games in recent memory?

Another one here who pretty much dropped overwatch at the beginning of the season.
It's really interesting to see so many leaving at the same time.

>pay load is the most fun game mode in tf2
>makes every class useful and makes engineers and medic ubers extremely useful
>its like tf2 was made for payload

>overwatch has payload
>shittiest designed maps in the game
>payload is dog shit for 6s
>cart heals barely anything on these 600 hp heroes and medkits are everywhere
>no push and pull making the cart a useful item, it's just part of the scenary
>the gold car will blind offense

>>385050817
Kinda reminds me of that idiot who bought a WoW account for like $5k and got banned few days later. The guy who sold it was pretty soon almost as well equipped.

>>385050792

ME.

>friend I like and listen to nags me into getting OW
>I cave and buy it
>"Btw I play with these 2 guys"
>ok
>Get into a game with these 2 guys
>They are literally the most toxic people I've ever played with
>They constantly just get drunk and scream at other teammates (not me thankfully) that they aren't playing right/aren't the right hero
>Constantly getting salty. Not meme salty, legitimately MAD at their own team, enemy team, whoever.
>Sometimes sabotage their own team out of spite
> Friend I like "yea they do this all time. Sometimes they will literally uninstall the game if a match pisses them off enough"

>what the fuck

Haven't played a match with them since

>>385051401
>Be Bobby Kotick
>Throws millions of dollars at a shitty TF2 clone
you can't be this retarded
I'm kidding, I'm sure you can

>>385044762
Not defending them, but Heroes of the Storm I found was pretty good with their update cycles when I played back in 2015

>DSPStanky

yawn. Astrokitty, Loserfruit, Oasis and Arikadou is where it's at.

>>385050792
you're supposed to make them gift you the game not buy it yourself

>>385044246
Paladins drops a new hero almost monthly and feels way more balanced.

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>>385051401
Reminder that Kotick said they spent $500 million on Overwatch League "infrastructure".

>>385051401
Almost forgot

>Wait two years to release another game
>Build up massive amount of hype for months on end
>Do the same thing you did to Overwatch, having not learned anything at all

>>385051483
It actually is.

>>385051109
Yeah, and that's a joke too. 2 scouts, 2 soldiers, 1 demo, 1 medic, no fun. Let's just forget about 5 of the 9 classes. Or in the rare situation it would be "in the meta" to use them, limit it to 1.

The game was built to be 12 vs 12 with very little restrictions, and that's part of what made it fun.

>>385051423
>shittiest designed maps in the game
>dumbass cart complaints despite it being functionally identical to tf2 cart
>LITERALLY THINKING 2CP IS BETTER THAN PAYLOAD

retard

>>385051418
Pretty much. I did my placements with another dozen games after that and I'm done with the game. Season 5 seems like the point where people have simply stopped caring.

>>385050970
it lasts for around 1-2 seconds afterwards

I think the problem with overwatch is that in tf2 there are weapons that are objectively worse.
And thats okay.

but in overwatch the weapons are heroes. So you kind of feel obligated to buff them or balance them so they're all exactly equal.

which is dumb when you think about it because safe balance can't be a thing ESPECIALLY for 20+ classes. if you did balance them you'd get this really muddy low power swamp where everything is equal but nothing excels.

>>385051150
>>385051236

It gets 40-60k regular concurrent players every day. It's also 10 years old.

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>>385051539

>>385051578
I can understand his reasoning though. e-sports are massive - look at where Riot got from being a small indie company.

>mercy is invincible doing her ult
>lucio isn't

Don't even know how many times I died before I managed to hit the ground.

>>385051578
Well that explains why Kotick is charging over $20 million to even join OWL. This has to be the dumbest thing he has ever done since he took over Activision and Blizzard. Kotick has most likely done zero research himself in eSports and most likely hired a bunch of "researches and data analysts" from the business world to look into it for him. Hopefully stocks for the company start to fall and Kotick gets forced out by a hostile tackover

TF2 FUCKING WON
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ALL THE FUCKING CUNTS LAUGHING HERE FOR THE PAST YEAR ARE FUCKING PAYING NOW
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>385049260
WIFE'S

>>385051236
>~50,000 players online at any given time
Sure pal
>B-but those are all bots!

>>385051539
Kill yourself

>>385044246
They don't even try. Their balance patches are always pussy shit like buffing two heroes in meme stats and calling it a day

>>385051756
is that sigourney weaver?

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>>385042797
I thought this wouldn't affect me because I haven't watched any ESPATS since HotshotGG stepped down from CLG but matchmaking now takes 2 min+ to find a game for me.

Blizzard if you can't fix w/e mess you've created just make the game F2P. if queues continue to stay this long I'm gonna hop on to some other timewaster like Warframe or something.

>>385051758
Kotick doesn't understand how a game even becomes an eSport to begin with. He bought MLG for millions of dollars just so he could promote the so-called pro scene for Call of Duty. Kotick only knows how to throw money at something and pray that it sticks. Then he shoves microtransactions into his games so he can recuperate all the money he threw out.

>>385051756
>>385051830
>stop liking OW

nah.

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>>385051759
>lucio starts up his ult, going to save his team and prevent our win
>except I'm lucio too
>boop him over the wall, affecting none of his teammates

I felt a level of sympathy for the guy.

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>>385051759
>dying at all as lucio

>>385042797
>try to watch a few games on youtube
>can barely tell what the fuck is going on
I imagine it's better when you actually play it, no? Good porn though so there's that.

>>385051686
>dumbass cart complaints despite it being functionally identical to tf2 cart

thats cool and all but overwatch is a different game.

The health pools are different, the med kits are different, and theres no fucking ammo.

like standing on the cart for 5 seconds can heal you for 55 hp. thats a big deal when thats a quarter of your hp.

in overwatch you've got heroes with health as high as fucking 600. Oh wow 10 hp per second, that'll heal me in 60 seconds.
Meanwhile a health kit just a few steps away can heal 300 of my health. or any other thing that can heal me instantly.

theres like zero incentive to go on the cart.
They SHOULD have changed it to fit overwatch thats the whole problem idjit.

>>385047027

What does "t." mean? I keep seeing it.

>>385051975
Oasis is a worthless cunt.

If I had to use one word to describe Overwatch, it would be 'sterile'.

>>385051236

No, that's from Portal.

>bored by summer
>releases Doomfist
>"holyshit!"
>jump right back in
>he's fun and versatile af
>finally something fresh is brought to the game
>play the ptr exclusively for days, but just know the goldshitters on the forum are gonna get him nerfed
>"you better don't Jizztard..."
What'd ya know; barely a week later and I boycotted the game for good.

>>385051759
Lucio is also 95%+ pick rate across all maps, all modes, all comps since July of last year.

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So when there was a popular game /v/ used to just say it's shit and the masses have shit taste. Now they try to meme that "it's dying". What changed?

>>385052057
t. newfag

>>385051756
>that has to be a dummy or something
>zooms in even more and it gets more and more real
>maybe she has like a head condition...

>>385044968

Oh but it is friend

>>385051731
>>385051816
that's a major drop from its hay-day though.
Overwatch just passed 30 million active players in june. The game also has many players "quit" when they finish their season and come back for the next. There is really no actual way to tell how many people are currently playing the game.

>>385043507
So it is LoL-tier BULLSHIT. I'm not playing that garbage, then.

>>385052142
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DAMAGE CONTROL
YOU FUCKING LOST OVERKEK

>>385052132
>Blame the forums
Nigger the forums are the ones actually bring up the problems with the game. Its the Blizzdrones and the Overwatch subreddit that are ass kissers and care more about sharing their shitty gameplay videos

>>385052132
wait did they nerf him already?

>>385052248
There is no way you're not 16

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>>385051158
swapping classes is basically the OW equivalent of swapping weapons in TF2. TF2 had it pretty easy only having to balance shit around 7 classes and even then it got out of hand sometimes. Overwatch devs must get to work in the morning and contemplate suicide or think about their resume / where they want to work next when they see the absolute mess of a game they have to try to balance while keeping everyone happy. Overwatch just has that fundamental problem of trying to please everyone

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I uninstalled OW after I realized that I was playing for the lootboxes and not the actual game itself. Had my share of fun, though, but enough is enough.

>>385052142

How many people are playing Overwatch RIGHT NOW?

Because OW is a shitty MOBA game dressed up like a shooter.

I don't know how Kaplan can let hyperscaling skill curve characters like Genji and Tracer exist in the game alongside idiot proof shit like Reinhardt. Then you have outright useless shit such as McCree and Sombra.

Of the DPS, Tracer, Genji, Soldier, and Pharah are mile ahead of the others; with Tracer and Genji being blatantly overpowered because "muh skill curves".

Defense has it the worst. All of them are garbage. All of them are QP stomping garbage.

Support has been fucked forever. Ana gets the nerf so that Lucio and Mercy, the two most brain dead characters on the roster, can take center stage.

If your tank pick can't dive forever, they're trash. Orisa is fucking useless, and Zarya doesn't counter anything that would actually get picked.

I can't get over what a pile of shit that is Orisa. Orisa puts down her shield, misses all her shots on her projectile gatling gun, and the enemy team attacks a different side of the point. Reinhardt turns head and counters the new angle of the push while Orisa gets fucked.

>>385052278
there was no way they could keep his current stats and move him live, it would be a monumental shitstorm.

>>385052132
Its good they nerfed him though. Hell He was able to cancel a rein charge with a quick right click. Now it knocks them both down.

>>385050449
>tumblr art style

what does this even mean

>>385052343
>TF2
>7 Classes
Um...

>>385052317
There is no way you're not salty that your piece of shit shilled garbage is finally fucking dead

>>385052428
if a nose is differently shaded to any degree it automatically qualifies as tumblr, or something.

>>385052462
>implying valve cares about pyro and the other guy

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>>385042797
How many times has Blizzard tried and failed to make a competitive game since Starcraft?

I mean fuck, Starcraft 2, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm. At one point they even tried to make WoW an esport in TBC and it was a fucking trainwreck

Why are they so incompetent?

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>>385042797
>tfw fell for the Overwatch meme

I wanted to like it but it simply is not fun. At best it's incredibly mundane and at worst it's frustrating. None of the characters are satisfying to play, the balance is awful, the maps/objectives are awful, thematically and aesthetically it's incredibly shallow and is basically an alien's idea of what Pixar is like, etc etc etc.

Total waste of $40. Frankly it should have been F2P, it basically is one already with the lack of content and the retarded amount of microtransactions/grind. I've grown sick of Valve but frankly TF2 and Dota 2 are a thousand times better. And what I've played of Gigantic is better too. There are just so many other better options out there to scratch every itch. Overwatch is such a generic and derivative game that it doesn't manage to carve out any "niche", it survives purely on its character designs and the Blizzard brand.

>>385052142
When Blizzard started being Blizzard.

aka horribly balancing yet another game and blowing off criticism

Only TF2grandpas still think TF2 is relevant. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the game, but it is as dead as disco. Just because some oldfags still play for the hell of it doesn't mean it isn't dead.

>DSPStanky

he offers nothing to his team, he just knows how to stay alive and how to wall ride exceptionally well.

>>385052414
why not just buff his counters?

>>385052518
So are the people defending TF2 shills or people that like the game
Me thinks your logic is flawed friendo.

>>385052382
I forgot to add that Blizzard gives zero fucks about aimbots below Diamond rank or in QP.

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Overwatch pro usage rates one year ago

>>385051190
>pub babby
Fuck off with this shit.
>comp highlander was literally just what you described
No it wasn't. It was filled with teenage drama queens and trannies fishing for attention and provoking people so they can feign being offended. Nothing will top a group of 50+ regulars that hop on to the same server where everyone's on good terms with each other.

No amount of lame insults will make playing with meme loving faggots better than a bunch of regular guys.

>>385052382
>Reddit spacing
You made good points, but you ruined it with your horrible spacing.

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Real overwatch doesn't involve the "pro scene" just like real COD and Halo didn't.

>faggot in charge of Overwatch bitches that not enough players are in the PTR giving feedback
>record number of players join it and try to help with reports and forum posts
>record game breaking unbalance "BASTION" patch goes live without even touching the PTR
it's like they are literal reads

>>385052645
TF2 is an actually good and funny game that got unfairly memed on by "XD HATS" Reddit jokes
It certainly deserves far more love than Overshit

>>385044063
takes like a week of solid playing, im aiming for the berserk loli

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>>385042797
How is this just happening now? I got burnt out after season 3. Grinding soul-sucking comp games while waiting for the bi-annual hero releases isn't enough to keep people engaged. Everyone I know is either playing that battle royale autism or fucked off back to some MMO or FOTM shit.

Also no I don't care about the next seasonal lootbox shilling "event".

>>385052667
>there was a time when Junkrat wasn't the absolute least played hero

Should have started playing him sooner.

>>385052692
what do you think "server regulars were"

you're also talking about iron league shit, nobody kept up with that nonsense at real ranks

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>>385052667
Overwatch pro usage rates now

>>385052667
2/2/2 meta was the chosen one

They should do PVP Tournaments.

>>385042797
a year of being popular is still longer than any other multiplayer only game gets
they are lucky to get 2 weeks to a month at the most

>>385052554
Arrogance mostly. Blizzard has a notorious history for being arrogant and thinking they can do nothing wrong. I mostly blame their insane fanbase who worship them as gods who can do no wrong. They generally believe that they're right and we're all wrong. Kaplan has been on record saying that trust this so called data analysis department at the studio for all their balancing data, instead of actually playing the game themselves

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>>385052640
great idea anon! lets just buff everyone since theres characters that already have 600 fucking hp! its not like theres not a huge problem that a dps has the hp equivalent of a tank!

>>385046961
The mlp crowd died down years ago, anon

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I really don't know how anybody of a certain age could fall for the Overwatch meme. It's like people don't remember the shitshow of D3's release or Blizzard's complete failure to properly balance, support and exploit SC2's initial popularity.

Like, what did you think was going to happen? Why was Overwatch going to be so different?

>>385052765
But why?
You're opinions are subjective not objective.
I love both games and play both but OW is objectively the more popular of the two.

Hopefully when this dies they'll move on to making another expansion for Diablo.

>>385042797
Did assholes in comp kill it?

>>385052897
>Zenyatta being used more than Mercy
>Mercy and Pharah not in the top five
Yeah something doesn't add up here

>>385052897
>Reinhardt
>Mei
>Zarya

yo wtf happened? I haven't played for a good while but those cunts were very much used. especially Reinhardt, what happened to my nigga Rein?

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>>385050972
When's Javelin?

I'm kinda of unsure how Blizz could fix this, It feels like they honestly need to reset everything.

>>385052969
sounds like soldier

>>385053105
its tournament usage, not pubshitter usage

>>385052725
>just like real COD and Halo didn't.
Actually Activision spends millions forcing COD to be scene as an eSport. That's why they bought out MLG

>>385050972
love these memes

>>385053105
Zen is used more than mercy and who the fuck picks pharrah over hitscan?

>>385053105
These are pros, not diamonds. Pharmercy only works vs shitters,

>>385052897
>sym is back at the bottom
Fucking good.

>>385053137
Dive comp took over but at the same time Rein has been completely fucked by bugs that Blizzard is only fixing after two months of him being in this state.

>>385052667
>most balanced patch of OW still only had 40% of the players in the meta
I mean FUCK even LoL isn't that bad
>>385052760
that was hilarious, the hero was fucking broken

https://clips.twitch tv/ConfidentSuspiciousMilkAMPTropPunch

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>>385043393
>tfw is still going strong

>>385052897
>Highest skill cap Healer is the least used

>>385053323
>what are nerfs and buffs

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>>385048836
>Moba is THE most retarded term ever created. It can mean literally anything
This is the same logic of someone who argues that every game is a "role-playing" game since you play as someone else
You shouldn't be posting anymore

>>385053105
>he doesn't rate Zenyatta

LOL

>>385053295
Overwatch was never balanced, its just that now with a year of the game being out pros have zero reason or room to experiment because they will get stomped if they do.

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>>385052928
>I mostly blame their insane fanbase who worship them as gods who can do no wrong.
>tfw the warcraft movie as being made and those faggots compared themselves to tolkien

>>385053297
50,000<30,000,000

>>385053375
>Ana being used in a dive meta

>>385053297
How does it feel knowing that TF2 is going to outlive every single Blizzard game ever released until that shithole of a company finally goes under? You're probably sweating as you realize OW is the only Blizzard game with more players than TF2 now and it's actively dying. Shills like you don't deserve to breathe.

>>385052760
Its even worse than how you described it

>Release PTR and tell everyone its going to be used to help find bugs AND to take player feedback seriously
>Months later massive D.Va nerf comes out and people are furious
>Geoff Goodman comes in and says that "LOL nope PTR is just used for bug testing" despite him saying the exact opposite months ago
>Proceeds to delete the original post announcing the PTR to damage control

It gets worse
>Bastion buff comes to PTR
>For two weeks fans called out Blizzard and told them the buff was going to make Bastion way too OP
>Blizzard ignores the fanbase and releases it anyway
>The fanbase literally forces Kaplan to sit down and play the game to see it for himself
>He plays it, realizes how OP he is and says "Hmm, I didn't know it was that bad"

Kaplan is a fucking idiot, and a pussy at that. And Goodman is the faggot who ruined Hots thanks to his horrible balancing ideas that were so bad he got kicked off the team

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>>385053295
B-but everyone is saying different things! It doesn't matter that everyone was telling him what needed to be done only for it all to go live. Thank god he actually played Bastion once the patch when live to find out what the changes actually felt like.

>>385051731
>>385051816
25% of those games played are on 2fort, a glorified deathmatch sniper map
another 25% encompass trading and idle maps
and lets not forget any map can quickly turn into a shitshow with conga lines and other emote spam
if you doubt that look up the most recent map statistics

>>385053137
Bastion tears through his shields, pretty much anyone tears through his shields. Blizzard is working on making his attacks feel more natural in the PTS, but I doubt it'll increase his usage. Right now Blizzard is afraid to touch any of the heroes in the current meta since the game is in a weird place. Doesn't help that Winston, Dva, and Tracer are like their mascots, and Genji, Mercy, and Pharah are fan favorites.

>>385053295
Kaplan had to be literally forced to play his own game to see how bad it was. That shows you he doesn't even play Overwatch, in fact I doubt the team even does.